You can't define god into existence.

I'm just saying that if indeed there is a God, ontologically speaking (that is,
by the very nature of the word "God"), we wouldn't be able to find evidence in
nature that would stick out from nature. In other words, the very existence of
a rock, or a plant, or anything else would be overwhelming proof of God's
existence. It's not the proof of God's existence we need to look for. There
can't be proof, per se. Jesus said, seek and ye shall find, knock and the door
shall be opened. We have to believe in God first, then all the proof stares us
in the face.

Perfect example of the scary unthinking refuge taken by the religious. It is
not benign because it's part of the greatest effort to control people ever
invented. It's sub-charters are behind the most horrific acts in history.
Can't see the forest for the trees? Yeah, okay.

RB

We're only talking about the existence of God here, Bob. We're not defending
the religious. You're comparing apples and oranges. I hate the religious, and
as you can see, I believe in God. But here's the thing: the religious don't
believe in God. If they did, they would live as if there was a God.

We're only talking about the existence of God here, Bob. We're not defending
the religious.


The creation of a diety invites religion, just as hate invites racism.

RB

But here's the thing: the religious don't
believe in God. If they did, they would live as if there was a God.

Ed, you're making braod, sweeping generalities just like BS does....there
are plenty of religious people that believe in God and act in a Godlike
manner...Mother Theresa comes to mind as the first...Mahatma Ghandi
secondly, and the Dali Lama third....and there are many more....there are
expceptions everywhere...it is not religion that is badm it is what mankind
does with it that is bad....

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it is not religion that is badm it is what mankind
does with it that is bad....


Since faith promotes ignorance, it's more than likely that it will turn out
badly most of the time...and so it has. I have quite a few friends who are
agnostic and athiest and they are the most peaceful people ever. Strange that I
can't say the same for my friends who have "faith."

RB

RB

The creation of a diety invites religion, just as hate invites racism.

RB

You're throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Ed, you're making braod, sweeping generalities just like BS does....there are
plenty of religious people that believe in God and act in a Godlike
manner...Mother Theresa comes to mind as the first...Mahatma Ghandi secondly,
and the Dali Lama third....and there are many more....there are expceptions
everywhere...it is not religion that is badm it is what mankind does with it
that is bad....

Granted. Just as a gun is only a piece of metal, and poison is only a powder.
Religion is a tool for getting closer to God. That mankind often does not use
it for that end is not the fault of a religious system.

Since faith promotes ignorance, it's more than likely that it will turn out
badly most of the time...and so it has. I have quite a few friends who are
agnostic and athiest and they are the most peaceful people ever. Strange that
can't say the same for my friends who have "faith."

I know where you're coming from, Bob. But you're fabricating reasons. You don't
care if there is or is not a God. So what? You will live how you believe,
regardless of what you profess. There either will be "God" or there won't be
regardless what anyone says they believe. Besides, I'm a monist. So to me, you
saying you don't believe in God is just that aspect of God that tries to deny
himself to maintain the illusion of creation. That's why I don't care what you
say you believe or don't believe.

The creation of a diety invites religion, just as hate invites racism.

RB

You're throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

The baby needs to be aborted.

RB

That's why I don't care what you
say you believe or don't believe.


As pointed out, this is the very essense of closed mindedness.
I NEVER said that I don't believe in god. I just think "god" is HIGHLY
unlikely. One of us is open minded...and it isn't you.

RB