McDonalds has sold far more hamburgers than anyone else. They must be
the best hamburgers ever made.


Godamn, those are good burgers! Christ almighty, the fries aint bad neither!

RB

(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...
Tell me of anything that begin to exist without a cause boobsie.

And do not be unreasonable.



Just as I figured!

You cant can you?.

Your the big mouth no-it-all but can not come up with one simple
single example. You call what your little mind can not intake magic.
Your the one with the very limited mind and a very un-limited mouth.

Joe


Josie, you simply don't get it. Perhaps, like many folks, your mind refuses
what it can't comprehend.
You seek "cause" for existence. You seek action and reaction. And you have,
along with many other ignorant people, created a magical force behind it all,
because you don't have the true answer.
That's fine, if somewhat limiting. We each inhabit our own small worlds, but I
see that yours is unusually small indeed.

RB

(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...
And do not be unreasonable.


See for yourself, Josie...proof at last!

http://hoglezoo.org/animal.photos/gi...rine.toad1.jpg

Leave your mother out of it boobsie!

Joe


RB

(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...
We know time travel is possiable if we can go faster than light.


No, we don't know this at all. It's just a theory and taught as such in any
physics class....which you clearly never took let alone passed.
I'm not hitting Josie, folks....he's doing it to himself!

RB


It's been proven, and will be proven again next month boobie.

After many years of planning, design, testing and delays, NASA's
Gravity Probe B mission is slated to launch from Vandenberg Air Force
Base in California on Monday April 19, 2004 at 12:01 pm Central time.
This revolutionary mission, with Stanford University as prime
contractor, has been designed to test two cornerstone effects of
Albert Einstein's General Theory of Relativity. The mission is managed
by NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center and it has had a long and rocky
road to travel before it ever was to be mounted on its Delta II
booster on the launch pad.

The Gravity Probe B (GP-B) mission, once it reaches its 400-mile high
polar orbit, will be used to measure how space and time are warped by
the presence of the Earth. The GP-B mission is the culmination of one
of the greatest technical challenges ever undertaken in the history of
space exploration and has been decades in the making.

In 1959, physicists at Stanford University first proposed launching a
satellite to test relativity. In 1964, NASA and the Department of
Defense started funding the development of key technologies to make
this mission possible. In 1976, the Gravity Probe A was launched on a
nearly 2-hour flight from Wallops Island, VA and used a MASER atomic
clock to demonstrate that time changed as it rose to weaker levels of
gravity. The GP-A returned valuable data as it rose to 6200 miles
above the Earth and then plummeted into the Atlantic Ocean. This set
the stage for the more ambitious GP-B mission, which was first defined
in 1982, with the basic design of the instrumentation from that study
the same 22 years later.

The GP-B instrument assembly, which was developed by Stanford
University, consists of a block of fused quartz containing four ultra
precise gyroscopes and a lead proof mass all bonded to a fused quartz
telescope. This telescope will be trained on the steady guide star IM
Pegasi for the duration of the mission and will be the calibration
standard for the gyroscopes. The instrument package is housed in a
giant thermos bottle, called a dewar, containing 613 gallons of
superfluid, super cold liquid helium that will keep the package cooled
to 2 degrees above absolute zero (minus 455 degrees Fahrenheit) for
the duration of the mission. The gyroscopes are the size of Ping-Pong
balls and made from fused quartz. A coating of niobium allows the
gyroscopes to become superconductors at the dewar temperatures and
enables them to be levitated and spun at 10,000 rpm. This super cooled
instrument assembly sits inside a vacuum bottle at a pressure that is
10 times lower than the pressure outside the spacecraft in the near
vacuum of Earth orbit. This allows for the gyroscopes to be maintained
in an environment that will not disturb their operation and will be so
perfect that they will be able to measure the Earth's effect on them.
Super sensitive magnetometers will be able to measure the gyroscopes
spin and orientation and any changes they might feel.

Boobsie we have flown atomic clocks on supersonic aircraft and they
run slower. Its a fact. Not some obscure article printed in an old
copy of Omni magazine, BTW one of my favorate mags.

Im not slapping boobsie folks, he slappin himself. No wonder his
forehead is so flat.


Joe

Boobsie we have flown atomic clocks on supersonic aircraft and they
run slower. Its a fact. Not some obscure article printed in an old
copy of Omni magazine, BTW one of my favorate mags.

This does not prove that time travel is possible for cripes sake. The idea of
propelling a human back or forward through time is nothing but an idea and
lightspeed does in allow "travel" through time, but only slows it. NASA makes
no such statement about time travel of course!
Josie's head is in a vise of bad facts. I think you must have been reading
Starlog magazine! Or was it Famous Monsters of Filmland?

RB

And do not be unreasonable.



Just as I figured!

You cant can you?.


Just about ANYTHING is more reasonable than a supreme superbeing. I just posted
a pic of the Marine Toad to prove it.
Face it, Josie. You need a god, plain and simple. Perhaps your god can help you
spell?
Hmmmmm, maybe not.

RB

http://hoglezoo.org/animal.photos/gi...rine.toad1.jpg

Leave your mother out of it boobsie!


Uh oh, Josie's getting pretty frustrated! Look out!
He should have more respect for the Supreme Marine Toad that sneezed him into
this little universe, especially after I allowed him to see it.

RB

(Bobnosprit) wrote in message ...
Dune was a good book, but the bible is the best seller ever.


Your ability to comprehend "Best Seller Ever" is as limited as your
sailing ability. So stop twisting and squirming. It's a Fact boobsie
more copies of the bible have been sold than any other book. FACT.
Got it? Or do you need more clairfacation?


Damn....... your forehead must hurt with all that slapping. And your
ears must be ringing from all the echoing.

Joe


Actually, many books have outsold the bible in the same time frame. The Bible
has been out a long, long time which is it's only claim on the BSL.
Oh boy, Josie. You've come up empty on every point. It's like a massacre! By
now you should have been right about SOMETHING! You defy the odds.

RB

All very interesting, but how does this prove time-travel is possible. Clearly,
we are all time travelers, but we can only move in one direction. Special
Relatively, proven for a long time, shows us that we can vary that rate
somewhat, but the concept is only truly meaningful if we can go back in time.



"Joe" wrote in message
om...
(Bobsprit) wrote in message
...
We know time travel is possiable if we can go faster than light.


No, we don't know this at all. It's just a theory and taught as such in any
physics class....which you clearly never took let alone passed.
I'm not hitting Josie, folks....he's doing it to himself!

RB


It's been proven, and will be proven again next month boobie.

After many years of planning, design, testing and delays, NASA's
Gravity Probe B mission is slated to launch from Vandenberg Air Force
Base in California on Monday April 19, 2004 at 12:01 pm Central time.
This revolutionary mission, with Stanford University as prime
contractor, has been designed to test two cornerstone effects of
Albert Einstein's General Theory of Relativity. The mission is managed
by NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center and it has had a long and rocky
road to travel before it ever was to be mounted on its Delta II
booster on the launch pad.

The Gravity Probe B (GP-B) mission, once it reaches its 400-mile high
polar orbit, will be used to measure how space and time are warped by
the presence of the Earth. The GP-B mission is the culmination of one
of the greatest technical challenges ever undertaken in the history of
space exploration and has been decades in the making.

In 1959, physicists at Stanford University first proposed launching a
satellite to test relativity. In 1964, NASA and the Department of
Defense started funding the development of key technologies to make
this mission possible. In 1976, the Gravity Probe A was launched on a
nearly 2-hour flight from Wallops Island, VA and used a MASER atomic
clock to demonstrate that time changed as it rose to weaker levels of
gravity. The GP-A returned valuable data as it rose to 6200 miles
above the Earth and then plummeted into the Atlantic Ocean. This set
the stage for the more ambitious GP-B mission, which was first defined
in 1982, with the basic design of the instrumentation from that study
the same 22 years later.

The GP-B instrument assembly, which was developed by Stanford
University, consists of a block of fused quartz containing four ultra
precise gyroscopes and a lead proof mass all bonded to a fused quartz
telescope. This telescope will be trained on the steady guide star IM
Pegasi for the duration of the mission and will be the calibration
standard for the gyroscopes. The instrument package is housed in a
giant thermos bottle, called a dewar, containing 613 gallons of
superfluid, super cold liquid helium that will keep the package cooled
to 2 degrees above absolute zero (minus 455 degrees Fahrenheit) for
the duration of the mission. The gyroscopes are the size of Ping-Pong
balls and made from fused quartz. A coating of niobium allows the
gyroscopes to become superconductors at the dewar temperatures and
enables them to be levitated and spun at 10,000 rpm. This super cooled
instrument assembly sits inside a vacuum bottle at a pressure that is
10 times lower than the pressure outside the spacecraft in the near
vacuum of Earth orbit. This allows for the gyroscopes to be maintained
in an environment that will not disturb their operation and will be so
perfect that they will be able to measure the Earth's effect on them.
Super sensitive magnetometers will be able to measure the gyroscopes
spin and orientation and any changes they might feel.

Boobsie we have flown atomic clocks on supersonic aircraft and they
run slower. Its a fact. Not some obscure article printed in an old
copy of Omni magazine, BTW one of my favorate mags.

Im not slapping boobsie folks, he slappin himself. No wonder his
forehead is so flat.


Joe

"Vito" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote
The universe (including time itself) can be shown to have had a beginning.
... Correct?

No! There have been and will be many universes cut from the same cloth.
Moreover, time is not necessarily linear. Only segments of time have a
beginning and an end.

Time in this universe has a beginning and an end.


It is unreasonable to believe something could begin to exist without a
cause. ... Correct?

No, wrong again. MOST things begin to exist randomly, with no cause in the
sense that you use the word here.

Name one thing.


The universe therefore requires a cause. ... Correct?

No, because your thesis is wrong. Which universe are you talking about?

The universe I live in. What universe are you from Veto?


Einstein's theory of general relativity shows that time is linked to
matter and space. ....

Einstein's theory is a useful tool but does not and cannot describe the real
universe. It cannot because the mathmatics used cannot deal with infinity
and the universe, or rather universes, are infinite.

We do not know that.

I can demo that 2=1 in
our math so ....

God, as creator of time, is outside of time. ....

That might apply to the Taoist abstraction hardly to the "god" Jews,
Christians and Muslims believe Abraham encountered (Gen 18) hoofing across
the desert at high noon on his way to check out rumors.

Your quoteing something out of a book written by men. Do you really
think god would hoof across any desert at High Noon. Since he created
time he would pick and chose the time, 7-8 am would be my guess.

Joe