Bobsprit wrote:

... He appears to understand what the limits are ...

Yup, 100 miles offshore, and winds no more than 70 knots.


... The rest was just a world class beating that he administered
to all of you.

The difference between good trolling and bad trolling is that one is
invisibile and the other is transparent. Jimmyjim's efforts were
embarrassingly obvious - he was called as a troll by almost everyone that
bothered to post.


Wish me luck for tomorrow's race, Bob - it's the last of the Easter Series.
We can't win the series, but we have a fair chance of nabbing second place.


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk/music

... He appears to understand what the limits are ...

Yup, 100 miles offshore, and winds no more than 70 knots.

Wally, did you actually read the guys posts? He's not going 100 miles offshore.
Even a Mac can handle a squall.

RB

Bobsprit wrote:

Yup, 100 miles offshore, and winds no more than 70 knots.

Wally, did you actually read the guys posts? He's not going 100 miles
offshore.

True, he later reduced it to 75,


Even a Mac can handle a squall.

So can a Topaz dinghy - but it fell over three times in quick succession and
sent the crew swimming.


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk/music

Wally, did you actually read the guys posts? He's not going 100 miles
offshore.

True, he later reduced it to 75,

He probably won't do that either, Wally. Most of what he spoke of concerned
taking the boat into shallow waters so his kids could swim and play. The Mac
should work well in this regard.

RB

Bobsprit wrote:

True, he later reduced it to 75,

He probably won't do that either, Wally.

I'm glad you agree that these claims of his were blatant trolls (as they
were called at the time).


Most of what he spoke of
concerned taking the boat into shallow waters so his kids could swim
and play.

I think it was grandkids. It sounds as though he's looking for 'convenience
sailing', if I can put it like that.


The Mac should work well in this regard.

I wouldn't know - I've never even seen one in the flesh, let alone sailed on
one. From what I've read, it seems that proper use of the ballast tank is
critical to safety.


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Wally
www.artbywally.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk/music

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

| He probably won't do that either, Wally. Most of what he spoke of
concerned
| taking the boat into shallow waters so his kids could swim and play. The
Mac
| should work well in this regard.

No Bob it won't... the design is not suited to a stop & swim philosophy. The
huge outboard and rocking motion will at anchor make it dangerous to use the
ladder in all but the calmest condition.

CM

I take it you have never sailed any of the Mac series Bob.... or you
wouldn't make that statement.

Macs have certainly been hit by the occasional squall and live to tell the
tale. Let's not go crazy here. I admit that the 26 is cheap cheap cheap, but it
can handle what most weekend boaters will toss at it. The kind of person who
buys it lacks the know-how and balls to challenge it's design much. Of course
the "stupid factor" can come into play, but that works on good boats as well.

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

| Macs have certainly been hit by the occasional squall and live to tell the
| tale. Let's not go crazy here. I admit that the 26 is cheap cheap cheap,
but it
| can handle what most weekend boaters will toss at it.

This is the point of contention.... the vessel will not meet it's
advertised capabilities and the company bases it's selling point on the fact
that most buyers are "week-enders" and neophytes that view a 20 knot wind as
a squall.


The kind of person who
| buys it lacks the know-how and balls to challenge it's design much. Of
course
| the "stupid factor" can come into play, but that works on good boats as
well.

It's this very mantle of ignorance that is donned by anyone owning a Mac
that we are desperately trying to get Jim to doff. He claims experience on
other boats but displays a fundamental lack of comprehension as to vessel
quality and handling characteristics. This alone is cause for concern....
add to it a poorly designed and engineered mutant of power/sail..... it
amounts to a recipe for disaster.

To top off this exercise in ignorance is the fact he will place his
grandchildren in harm's way to prove his misconceptions. I believe he really
thinks that he is a match for Red Cloud. That my friend is dangerous in the
extreme.

To wish him well is akin to wishing a suicide jumper a nice trip down.....

CM

Capt. Mooron wrote:

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

| He probably won't do that either, Wally. Most of what he spoke of
concerned
| taking the boat into shallow waters so his kids could swim and play. The
Mac
| should work well in this regard.

No Bob it won't... the design is not suited to a stop & swim philosophy. The
huge outboard and rocking motion will at anchor make it dangerous to use the
ladder in all but the calmest condition.

CM

Not if it's beached on the shore.

Jim

You're going to use the ladder after you run it up on the
beach???

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Capt. Mooron wrote:

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

| He probably won't do that either, Wally. Most of what he spoke of
concerned
| taking the boat into shallow waters so his kids could swim and play.
The
Mac
| should work well in this regard.

No Bob it won't... the design is not suited to a stop & swim philosophy.
The
huge outboard and rocking motion will at anchor make it dangerous to use
the
ladder in all but the calmest condition.

CM

Not if it's beached on the shore.

Jim