Correct.

There is the principle of courtesy, which all should follow however.
We do and they do.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
The COLREGS don't make any mention of 'common sense'.

As far as the COLREGS go, ferries are motor vessels and must
adhere to the Rules pertaining to motor vessels. This means
they are the give-way in many situations whether you or
they care to believe it. Their schedule and the number of
people they carry has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact
they are bound by the Rules to proceed in a certain manner
when interacting with other vessels. They can carry a billion
people all needing to get somewhere on time and that does
not relieve them of their legal obligation to give way to a
sailboat underway under sail.

S.Simon


"Schoonertrash" wrote in message
...
Ferry boats are like busses or trains. They operate on a fixed schedule
and
many thousands of people depend on them to keep to that schedule.
Common
sense, basic politeness, if nothing else will tell you to keep out of
there
way. And it doesn't take more than a few minutes to Steer For The Stern
rather than the bow. If nothing else re-read Rule 2. Or better yet
consider them Restricted In Ability to Manuever by virtue of their job.
It
also depends on where the ferry is located and under which laws it's
operating. In the Puget Sound and clear into Lake Washington it's
International Rules. Yet ferry's make one long horn blast when backing
out
or departing. Why? It's common sense to warn other water traffic they
are
about to move. Here's another difference which applies 'on' the ferry.
In
Washington State they are considered part of the state highway system.
All
Highway traffic rules apply to the motorist.

As for speed I took the hydrofoil to Victoria once and one from England
to
the continent. Never again. Like roller skating across railroad
ties.
Thumpety thumpety thumpety.

MST

Wrong! Courtesy is not even mentioned in the COLREGS.

Courtesy can only legally be abided if courtesy does not
make one violate any of the Rules. The Rules tell
me I MUST hold course and speed while sailing
in a crossing situation with a ferry (not in a narrow channel)
and they tell a ferry that as a motor vessel she must give
way to a sailboat. The only situation where this does not
apply is in narrow channels or if the sailboat is overtaking
the ferry.

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Correct.

There is the principle of courtesy, which all should follow however.
We do and they do.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
The COLREGS don't make any mention of 'common sense'.

As far as the COLREGS go, ferries are motor vessels and must
adhere to the Rules pertaining to motor vessels. This means
they are the give-way in many situations whether you or
they care to believe it. Their schedule and the number of
people they carry has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact
they are bound by the Rules to proceed in a certain manner
when interacting with other vessels. They can carry a billion
people all needing to get somewhere on time and that does
not relieve them of their legal obligation to give way to a
sailboat underway under sail.

S.Simon


"Schoonertrash" wrote in message
...
Ferry boats are like busses or trains. They operate on a fixed schedule
and
many thousands of people depend on them to keep to that schedule.
Common
sense, basic politeness, if nothing else will tell you to keep out of
there
way. And it doesn't take more than a few minutes to Steer For The Stern
rather than the bow. If nothing else re-read Rule 2. Or better yet
consider them Restricted In Ability to Manuever by virtue of their job.
It
also depends on where the ferry is located and under which laws it's
operating. In the Puget Sound and clear into Lake Washington it's
International Rules. Yet ferry's make one long horn blast when backing
out
or departing. Why? It's common sense to warn other water traffic they
are
about to move. Here's another difference which applies 'on' the ferry.
In
Washington State they are considered part of the state highway system.
All
Highway traffic rules apply to the motorist.

As for speed I took the hydrofoil to Victoria once and one from England
to
the continent. Never again. Like roller skating across railroad
ties.
Thumpety thumpety thumpety.

MST

ubject: Ferry Speeds
From: "Simple Simon"
Date: 11/19/2003 17:31 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Wrong! Courtesy is not even mentioned in the COLREGS.

Courtesy can only legally be abided if courtesy does not
make one violate any of the Rules. The Rules tell
me I MUST hold course and speed while sailing
in a crossing situation with a ferry (not in a narrow channel)
and they tell a ferry that as a motor vessel she must give
way to a sailboat. The only situation where this does not
apply is in narrow channels or if the sailboat is overtaking
the ferry.

S.Simon


Typically, your lack of in depth knowledge of the Rules, precludes you from
understanding and mentioning VTS schemes and how they would/could effect your
actions.
Also, quite typically, you are unable to understand, and apply any form of
courtesy, to any vessel, except your own .... a prime indication of your total
lack of knowledge and experience, underway, when encountering vessel traffic,
which may indicate a need for you to employ "good seamanship", etc.
As per usual, Simpleton, you are showing yourself to be a "phony troll
wannabe".

Shen

God, you're stupid, have a short attention span and can't be bothered
to do some basic research before rabbiting on in your ignorance. Not so
long ago we discussed this very issue. Local rules can & do override
the general COLREG rules. In Sydney Harbour, ferries do *not* have to
give way to sailboats. Period. I'd suspect the same situation applies
to most ferries running on regular routes. Your "only situation" as
below is a figment of your limited imagination.

Peter Wiley

In article , Simple Simon
wrote:

Wrong! Courtesy is not even mentioned in the COLREGS.

Courtesy can only legally be abided if courtesy does not
make one violate any of the Rules. The Rules tell
me I MUST hold course and speed while sailing
in a crossing situation with a ferry (not in a narrow channel)
and they tell a ferry that as a motor vessel she must give
way to a sailboat. The only situation where this does not
apply is in narrow channels or if the sailboat is overtaking
the ferry.

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Correct.

There is the principle of courtesy, which all should follow however.
We do and they do.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
The COLREGS don't make any mention of 'common sense'.

As far as the COLREGS go, ferries are motor vessels and must
adhere to the Rules pertaining to motor vessels. This means
they are the give-way in many situations whether you or
they care to believe it. Their schedule and the number of
people they carry has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact
they are bound by the Rules to proceed in a certain manner
when interacting with other vessels. They can carry a billion
people all needing to get somewhere on time and that does
not relieve them of their legal obligation to give way to a
sailboat underway under sail.

S.Simon


"Schoonertrash" wrote in message
...
Ferry boats are like busses or trains. They operate on a fixed schedule
and
many thousands of people depend on them to keep to that schedule.
Common
sense, basic politeness, if nothing else will tell you to keep out of
there
way. And it doesn't take more than a few minutes to Steer For The Stern
rather than the bow. If nothing else re-read Rule 2. Or better yet
consider them Restricted In Ability to Manuever by virtue of their job.
It
also depends on where the ferry is located and under which laws it's
operating. In the Puget Sound and clear into Lake Washington it's
International Rules. Yet ferry's make one long horn blast when backing
out
or departing. Why? It's common sense to warn other water traffic they
are
about to move. Here's another difference which applies 'on' the ferry.
In
Washington State they are considered part of the state highway system.
All
Highway traffic rules apply to the motorist.

As for speed I took the hydrofoil to Victoria once and one from England
to
the continent. Never again. Like roller skating across railroad
ties.
Thumpety thumpety thumpety.

MST

You're the one who's not too bright.

I guess you never read the following Rule.

Rule 1 (b) Nothing in these Rules shall interfere in the operation of special rules made by an appropriate authority for roadsteads,
harbors, rivers, lakes or inland waterways connected with the high seas and navigable by seagoing vessels. Such special rules shall
conform as closely as possible to these Rules.

Any harbor rule that NEGATES the general sailing Rules does not conform
as closely as possible to the Rules will be deemed illegal in a court of law.

Sorry, but that's the way it goes . . . A cable ferry is one thing but a
ferry that is not a RAM must obey the general sailing Rules which means
pecking order applies.

S.Simon


"Peter Wiley" wrote in message . ..
God, you're stupid, have a short attention span and can't be bothered
to do some basic research before rabbiting on in your ignorance. Not so
long ago we discussed this very issue. Local rules can & do override
the general COLREG rules. In Sydney Harbour, ferries do *not* have to
give way to sailboats. Period. I'd suspect the same situation applies
to most ferries running on regular routes. Your "only situation" as
below is a figment of your limited imagination.

Peter Wiley

In article , Simple Simon
wrote:

Wrong! Courtesy is not even mentioned in the COLREGS.

Courtesy can only legally be abided if courtesy does not
make one violate any of the Rules. The Rules tell
me I MUST hold course and speed while sailing
in a crossing situation with a ferry (not in a narrow channel)
and they tell a ferry that as a motor vessel she must give
way to a sailboat. The only situation where this does not
apply is in narrow channels or if the sailboat is overtaking
the ferry.

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Correct.

There is the principle of courtesy, which all should follow however.
We do and they do.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
The COLREGS don't make any mention of 'common sense'.

As far as the COLREGS go, ferries are motor vessels and must
adhere to the Rules pertaining to motor vessels. This means
they are the give-way in many situations whether you or
they care to believe it. Their schedule and the number of
people they carry has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact
they are bound by the Rules to proceed in a certain manner
when interacting with other vessels. They can carry a billion
people all needing to get somewhere on time and that does
not relieve them of their legal obligation to give way to a
sailboat underway under sail.

S.Simon


"Schoonertrash" wrote in message
...
Ferry boats are like busses or trains. They operate on a fixed schedule
and
many thousands of people depend on them to keep to that schedule.
Common
sense, basic politeness, if nothing else will tell you to keep out of
there
way. And it doesn't take more than a few minutes to Steer For The Stern
rather than the bow. If nothing else re-read Rule 2. Or better yet
consider them Restricted In Ability to Manuever by virtue of their job.
It
also depends on where the ferry is located and under which laws it's
operating. In the Puget Sound and clear into Lake Washington it's
International Rules. Yet ferry's make one long horn blast when backing
out
or departing. Why? It's common sense to warn other water traffic they
are
about to move. Here's another difference which applies 'on' the ferry.
In
Washington State they are considered part of the state highway system.
All
Highway traffic rules apply to the motorist.

As for speed I took the hydrofoil to Victoria once and one from England
to
the continent. Never again. Like roller skating across railroad
ties.
Thumpety thumpety thumpety.

MST

Not in the US. I know this applies in Syndey harbor, but not
in the SF bay. Ferries have lower status on the open bay.

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
God, you're stupid, have a short attention span and can't be bothered
to do some basic research before rabbiting on in your ignorance. Not so
long ago we discussed this very issue. Local rules can & do override
the general COLREG rules. In Sydney Harbour, ferries do *not* have to
give way to sailboats. Period. I'd suspect the same situation applies
to most ferries running on regular routes. Your "only situation" as
below is a figment of your limited imagination.

Peter Wiley

In article , Simple Simon
wrote:

Wrong! Courtesy is not even mentioned in the COLREGS.

Courtesy can only legally be abided if courtesy does not
make one violate any of the Rules. The Rules tell
me I MUST hold course and speed while sailing
in a crossing situation with a ferry (not in a narrow channel)
and they tell a ferry that as a motor vessel she must give
way to a sailboat. The only situation where this does not
apply is in narrow channels or if the sailboat is overtaking
the ferry.

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Correct.

There is the principle of courtesy, which all should follow however.
We do and they do.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
The COLREGS don't make any mention of 'common sense'.

As far as the COLREGS go, ferries are motor vessels and must
adhere to the Rules pertaining to motor vessels. This means
they are the give-way in many situations whether you or
they care to believe it. Their schedule and the number of
people they carry has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact
they are bound by the Rules to proceed in a certain manner
when interacting with other vessels. They can carry a billion
people all needing to get somewhere on time and that does
not relieve them of their legal obligation to give way to a
sailboat underway under sail.

S.Simon


"Schoonertrash" wrote in message
...
Ferry boats are like busses or trains. They operate on a fixed
schedule
and
many thousands of people depend on them to keep to that schedule.
Common
sense, basic politeness, if nothing else will tell you to keep out
of
there
way. And it doesn't take more than a few minutes to Steer For The
Stern
rather than the bow. If nothing else re-read Rule 2. Or better
yet
consider them Restricted In Ability to Manuever by virtue of their
job.
It
also depends on where the ferry is located and under which laws
it's
operating. In the Puget Sound and clear into Lake Washington it's
International Rules. Yet ferry's make one long horn blast when
backing
out
or departing. Why? It's common sense to warn other water traffic
they
are
about to move. Here's another difference which applies 'on' the
ferry.
In
Washington State they are considered part of the state highway
system.
All
Highway traffic rules apply to the motorist.

As for speed I took the hydrofoil to Victoria once and one from
England
to
the continent. Never again. Like roller skating across
railroad
ties.
Thumpety thumpety thumpety.

MST

It doesn't have to be mentioned in the regs for it to be the
right and proper thing to do. To think otherwise, is to be
foolish. They do not tell you that you MUST hold course.
In fact, they say you MUST avoid a collision. One way to prevent
the situation where one has to take evasive action is to
act in a couteous manner.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Wrong! Courtesy is not even mentioned in the COLREGS.

Courtesy can only legally be abided if courtesy does not
make one violate any of the Rules. The Rules tell
me I MUST hold course and speed while sailing
in a crossing situation with a ferry (not in a narrow channel)
and they tell a ferry that as a motor vessel she must give
way to a sailboat. The only situation where this does not
apply is in narrow channels or if the sailboat is overtaking
the ferry.

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Correct.

There is the principle of courtesy, which all should follow however.
We do and they do.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
The COLREGS don't make any mention of 'common sense'.

As far as the COLREGS go, ferries are motor vessels and must
adhere to the Rules pertaining to motor vessels. This means
they are the give-way in many situations whether you or
they care to believe it. Their schedule and the number of
people they carry has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact
they are bound by the Rules to proceed in a certain manner
when interacting with other vessels. They can carry a billion
people all needing to get somewhere on time and that does
not relieve them of their legal obligation to give way to a
sailboat underway under sail.

S.Simon


"Schoonertrash" wrote in message
...
Ferry boats are like busses or trains. They operate on a fixed
schedule
and
many thousands of people depend on them to keep to that schedule.
Common
sense, basic politeness, if nothing else will tell you to keep out
of
there
way. And it doesn't take more than a few minutes to Steer For The
Stern
rather than the bow. If nothing else re-read Rule 2. Or better yet
consider them Restricted In Ability to Manuever by virtue of their
job.
It
also depends on where the ferry is located and under which laws it's
operating. In the Puget Sound and clear into Lake Washington it's
International Rules. Yet ferry's make one long horn blast when
backing
out
or departing. Why? It's common sense to warn other water traffic
they
are
about to move. Here's another difference which applies 'on' the
ferry.
In
Washington State they are considered part of the state highway
system.
All
Highway traffic rules apply to the motorist.

As for speed I took the hydrofoil to Victoria once and one from
England
to
the continent. Never again. Like roller skating across railroad
ties.
Thumpety thumpety thumpety.

MST