In the SF bay, ferries do not have any restriction on manueverability,
except near their landings. They are required to get out of our way
in the middle of the bay, and we regularly enforce the rules, which
they know quite well and always follow. Of course, we don't
deliberately put ourselves in their path, but neither do we shy
away from sailing where we want to sail because a ferry might
be going in that direction.

"Schoonertrash" wrote in message
...
Ferry boats are like busses or trains. They operate on a fixed schedule
and
many thousands of people depend on them to keep to that schedule. Common
sense, basic politeness, if nothing else will tell you to keep out of
there
way. And it doesn't take more than a few minutes to Steer For The Stern
rather than the bow. If nothing else re-read Rule 2. Or better yet
consider them Restricted In Ability to Manuever by virtue of their job.
It
also depends on where the ferry is located and under which laws it's
operating. In the Puget Sound and clear into Lake Washington it's
International Rules. Yet ferry's make one long horn blast when backing
out
or departing. Why? It's common sense to warn other water traffic they
are
about to move. Here's another difference which applies 'on' the ferry.
In
Washington State they are considered part of the state highway system. All
Highway traffic rules apply to the motorist.

As for speed I took the hydrofoil to Victoria once and one from England to
the continent. Never again. Like roller skating across railroad ties.
Thumpety thumpety thumpety.

MST

Correct.

There is the principle of courtesy, which all should follow however.
We do and they do.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
The COLREGS don't make any mention of 'common sense'.

As far as the COLREGS go, ferries are motor vessels and must
adhere to the Rules pertaining to motor vessels. This means
they are the give-way in many situations whether you or
they care to believe it. Their schedule and the number of
people they carry has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact
they are bound by the Rules to proceed in a certain manner
when interacting with other vessels. They can carry a billion
people all needing to get somewhere on time and that does
not relieve them of their legal obligation to give way to a
sailboat underway under sail.

S.Simon


"Schoonertrash" wrote in message
...
Ferry boats are like busses or trains. They operate on a fixed schedule
and
many thousands of people depend on them to keep to that schedule.
Common
sense, basic politeness, if nothing else will tell you to keep out of
there
way. And it doesn't take more than a few minutes to Steer For The Stern
rather than the bow. If nothing else re-read Rule 2. Or better yet
consider them Restricted In Ability to Manuever by virtue of their job.
It
also depends on where the ferry is located and under which laws it's
operating. In the Puget Sound and clear into Lake Washington it's
International Rules. Yet ferry's make one long horn blast when backing
out
or departing. Why? It's common sense to warn other water traffic they
are
about to move. Here's another difference which applies 'on' the ferry.
In
Washington State they are considered part of the state highway system.
All
Highway traffic rules apply to the motorist.

As for speed I took the hydrofoil to Victoria once and one from England
to
the continent. Never again. Like roller skating across railroad
ties.
Thumpety thumpety thumpety.

MST

"Rick" wrote in message ...
How's the renewal coming along? Your friends in the White House
keeping the CG hustling for you?


It's only been a week. I expect it'll take a month to six
weeks for them to send me an updated license. In the
meantime, they give you a whole year's grace period so
there's no hurry.

S.Simon

Wrong! Courtesy is not even mentioned in the COLREGS.

Courtesy can only legally be abided if courtesy does not
make one violate any of the Rules. The Rules tell
me I MUST hold course and speed while sailing
in a crossing situation with a ferry (not in a narrow channel)
and they tell a ferry that as a motor vessel she must give
way to a sailboat. The only situation where this does not
apply is in narrow channels or if the sailboat is overtaking
the ferry.

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Correct.

There is the principle of courtesy, which all should follow however.
We do and they do.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
The COLREGS don't make any mention of 'common sense'.

As far as the COLREGS go, ferries are motor vessels and must
adhere to the Rules pertaining to motor vessels. This means
they are the give-way in many situations whether you or
they care to believe it. Their schedule and the number of
people they carry has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact
they are bound by the Rules to proceed in a certain manner
when interacting with other vessels. They can carry a billion
people all needing to get somewhere on time and that does
not relieve them of their legal obligation to give way to a
sailboat underway under sail.

S.Simon


"Schoonertrash" wrote in message
...
Ferry boats are like busses or trains. They operate on a fixed schedule
and
many thousands of people depend on them to keep to that schedule.
Common
sense, basic politeness, if nothing else will tell you to keep out of
there
way. And it doesn't take more than a few minutes to Steer For The Stern
rather than the bow. If nothing else re-read Rule 2. Or better yet
consider them Restricted In Ability to Manuever by virtue of their job.
It
also depends on where the ferry is located and under which laws it's
operating. In the Puget Sound and clear into Lake Washington it's
International Rules. Yet ferry's make one long horn blast when backing
out
or departing. Why? It's common sense to warn other water traffic they
are
about to move. Here's another difference which applies 'on' the ferry.
In
Washington State they are considered part of the state highway system.
All
Highway traffic rules apply to the motorist.

As for speed I took the hydrofoil to Victoria once and one from England
to
the continent. Never again. Like roller skating across railroad
ties.
Thumpety thumpety thumpety.

MST

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:26:48 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:


... they give you a whole year's grace period so there's no hurry.

Since it is not mentioned in the COLREGS you may not be aware that you
cannot use the license during the grace period.

But it's not like you will make any less money with it anyway.

Rick

Subject: Ferry Speeds
From: "Simple Simon"
Date: 11/19/2003 16:57 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

The COLREGS don't make any mention of 'common sense'.


This is a prime example of why we say you don't know and/or understand the
"Rules".

Read Rule 2, "Simpleton".....try to understand it !!!

As for the rest of your comments ....true.....hey, even a "simpleton" can get
some things right.

Shen

ubject: Ferry Speeds
From: "Simple Simon"
Date: 11/19/2003 17:31 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Wrong! Courtesy is not even mentioned in the COLREGS.

Courtesy can only legally be abided if courtesy does not
make one violate any of the Rules. The Rules tell
me I MUST hold course and speed while sailing
in a crossing situation with a ferry (not in a narrow channel)
and they tell a ferry that as a motor vessel she must give
way to a sailboat. The only situation where this does not
apply is in narrow channels or if the sailboat is overtaking
the ferry.

S.Simon


Typically, your lack of in depth knowledge of the Rules, precludes you from
understanding and mentioning VTS schemes and how they would/could effect your
actions.
Also, quite typically, you are unable to understand, and apply any form of
courtesy, to any vessel, except your own .... a prime indication of your total
lack of knowledge and experience, underway, when encountering vessel traffic,
which may indicate a need for you to employ "good seamanship", etc.
As per usual, Simpleton, you are showing yourself to be a "phony troll
wannabe".

Shen

"Shen44" wrote in message ...
Subject: Ferry Speeds
From: "Simple Simon"
Date: 11/19/2003 16:57 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

The COLREGS don't make any mention of 'common sense'.


This is a prime example of why we say you don't know and/or understand the
"Rules".

Read Rule 2, "Simpleton".....try to understand it !!!


Here is Rule 2 verbatim:

Rule 2
Responsibility
(a) Nothing in these Rules shall exonerate any vessel, or the owner, master, or crew thereof, from the consequences of any neglect
to comply with these Rules or of the neglect of any precaution which may be required by the ordinary practice of seamen, or by the
special circumstances of the case.

(b) In construing and complying with these Rules due regard shall be had to all dangers of navigation and collision and to any
special circumstances, including the limitations of the vessels involved, which may make a departure from these Rules necessary to
avoid immediate danger.

I've read it dozens of times and have yet to see occur the word,
"common sense".

S.Simon

Subject: Ferry Speeds
From: "Jonathan Ganz"
Date: 11/19/2003 17:17 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

In the SF bay, ferries do not have any restriction on manueverability,
except near their landings. They are required to get out of our way
in the middle of the bay, and we regularly enforce the rules, which
they know quite well and always follow. Of course, we don't
deliberately put ourselves in their path, but neither do we shy
away from sailing where we want to sail because a ferry might
be going in that direction.

BG This applies to ship traffic also ..... but, ...... EG

Shen

It's not my fault if the authorities are slow to
process the renewal. My license remains valid
until revoked. When the license renewal is processed
and returned to me the date of issue of the new license
will be the date of expiration of the old one. This
means My license never expired and I can legally
operate under the old one with while the paper
work is being processed.

S.Simon


"Rick" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:26:48 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:


... they give you a whole year's grace period so there's no hurry.

Since it is not mentioned in the COLREGS you may not be aware that you
cannot use the license during the grace period.

But it's not like you will make any less money with it anyway.

Rick