Subject: Ferry Speeds
From: "Simple Simon"

Comments debunking Capt. Shenandoah interspersed.

Comments debunking the "simpleton" interspersed:


"Shen44" wrote in message
...
Typical stupid statement from the "simpleton".
A. You only THINK you know something about radar.....you don't.

One does not need to know anything about the technical aspects
of radar to understand how the COLREGS apply to the use of radar.

Then stick solely to the aspects of radar, which concern COLREGS .... then try
to understand what COLREGS is saying about Radar....obviously, you know
neither.

B. You only THINK you know something about how ferries operate.....you
don't.

One need not know how ferries operate in order to understand their
obligations under the Rules.

This is a typical statement from an inexperienced amateur. The more you know
about ANY type of vessel, the better you will be, at handling any situation
which may arise, regarding that vessel. In your case, you're to inexperienced
to realize that the most important rule, is rule 2, and you must take all the
rules, PLUS, what the vessels are, into consideration, when applying the rules
"It's not just the rules.... it's the situation"

C. You only THINK you know and understand the rules.....you don't.

I have proven time and time again that I understand the COLREGS
better than all you tugboat captains put together. If I don't understand
them then the lot of you don't even know they exist.

You have proven time and time again, that you know some of the wording of the
Rules, but little of the intent. You have shown that you are a simple beginner
with minimal experience and understanding ..... a phony troll.... you get no
respect and deserve less. You remind me of the guy on NYPD Blue, who was caught
impersonating a police officer.... you try to impersonate a Maritime
professional, with a license.....and fail miserably.

D. You only THINK you have enough time out underway on the water to be able
to
discuss the subject intelligently......you don't.

Unlike you and the other tugboat captains, I have spent more
time on the water in the past ten years than any of you and
probably more than any two of you put together.

You total stupid idiot!!
You could go sailing every day of the remainder of your life, and never
approach ANYTHING, near the time I'd spent at sea, 30 years ago !! .... much
less, what I spend, nowadays..... but the biggest difference is, you're too
stupid to realize you're still learning, whereas I will continue to learn.

I have seen,
firsthand, how most motor boat professional captains are rude,
and abusive of the pecking order Rules.

BS You don't spend enough time underway to have seen ANYTHING!!!

In their minds it's
always a matter of might making right and commercial interests
over pleasure craft. Their minds are warped and bitter that
they are almost at the very bottom of the pecking order and
must give way to vessels they honestly feel are inferior to
their glorified trucks ( bulk carriers, freighters, etc.) or
oversized busses (ferries, cruise ships, etc.).

S.Simon


ROFLMAO Simpleton, you're a rank (and I do mean RANK) amateur, who lives aboard
his boat, permanently anchored out of harms way..... come back and talk when
you learn to walk ..... your still crawling on yer belly

Shen

take a month to six
weeks for them to send me an updated license. In the
meantime, they give you a whole year's grace period so
there's no hurry.

S.S

Doesn't matter, since you don't use it anyway....will take 1-2 months, I
betcha.....and even then, all you'll have is a phony piece of paper which shows
nothing about your real qualification......zero !!

God, you're stupid, have a short attention span and can't be bothered
to do some basic research before rabbiting on in your ignorance. Not so
long ago we discussed this very issue. Local rules can & do override
the general COLREG rules. In Sydney Harbour, ferries do *not* have to
give way to sailboats. Period. I'd suspect the same situation applies
to most ferries running on regular routes. Your "only situation" as
below is a figment of your limited imagination.

Peter Wiley

In article , Simple Simon
wrote:

Wrong! Courtesy is not even mentioned in the COLREGS.

Courtesy can only legally be abided if courtesy does not
make one violate any of the Rules. The Rules tell
me I MUST hold course and speed while sailing
in a crossing situation with a ferry (not in a narrow channel)
and they tell a ferry that as a motor vessel she must give
way to a sailboat. The only situation where this does not
apply is in narrow channels or if the sailboat is overtaking
the ferry.

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Correct.

There is the principle of courtesy, which all should follow however.
We do and they do.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
The COLREGS don't make any mention of 'common sense'.

As far as the COLREGS go, ferries are motor vessels and must
adhere to the Rules pertaining to motor vessels. This means
they are the give-way in many situations whether you or
they care to believe it. Their schedule and the number of
people they carry has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact
they are bound by the Rules to proceed in a certain manner
when interacting with other vessels. They can carry a billion
people all needing to get somewhere on time and that does
not relieve them of their legal obligation to give way to a
sailboat underway under sail.

S.Simon


"Schoonertrash" wrote in message
...
Ferry boats are like busses or trains. They operate on a fixed schedule
and
many thousands of people depend on them to keep to that schedule.
Common
sense, basic politeness, if nothing else will tell you to keep out of
there
way. And it doesn't take more than a few minutes to Steer For The Stern
rather than the bow. If nothing else re-read Rule 2. Or better yet
consider them Restricted In Ability to Manuever by virtue of their job.
It
also depends on where the ferry is located and under which laws it's
operating. In the Puget Sound and clear into Lake Washington it's
International Rules. Yet ferry's make one long horn blast when backing
out
or departing. Why? It's common sense to warn other water traffic they
are
about to move. Here's another difference which applies 'on' the ferry.
In
Washington State they are considered part of the state highway system.
All
Highway traffic rules apply to the motorist.

As for speed I took the hydrofoil to Victoria once and one from England
to
the continent. Never again. Like roller skating across railroad
ties.
Thumpety thumpety thumpety.

MST

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:06:38 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

I My license remains valid until revoked.

If you really have a licence you can look on the lower right hand
corner and it will state very clearly when it expires. On that date
that piece of paper is just another piece of trash cluttering your
derelict.

What you believe is irrelevant as usual.

RIck

Because of a little organization called the IRS I
will NOT claim I made almost ten grand last year
using my licenses.

I wonder if you can claim the same or more???

S.Simon


"Shen44" wrote in message ...
Doesn't matter, since you don't use it anyway....will take 1-2 months, I
betcha.....and even then, all you'll have is a phony piece of paper which shows
nothing about your real qualification......zero !!

You're the one who's not too bright.

I guess you never read the following Rule.

Rule 1 (b) Nothing in these Rules shall interfere in the operation of special rules made by an appropriate authority for roadsteads,
harbors, rivers, lakes or inland waterways connected with the high seas and navigable by seagoing vessels. Such special rules shall
conform as closely as possible to these Rules.

Any harbor rule that NEGATES the general sailing Rules does not conform
as closely as possible to the Rules will be deemed illegal in a court of law.

Sorry, but that's the way it goes . . . A cable ferry is one thing but a
ferry that is not a RAM must obey the general sailing Rules which means
pecking order applies.

S.Simon


"Peter Wiley" wrote in message . ..
God, you're stupid, have a short attention span and can't be bothered
to do some basic research before rabbiting on in your ignorance. Not so
long ago we discussed this very issue. Local rules can & do override
the general COLREG rules. In Sydney Harbour, ferries do *not* have to
give way to sailboats. Period. I'd suspect the same situation applies
to most ferries running on regular routes. Your "only situation" as
below is a figment of your limited imagination.

Peter Wiley

In article , Simple Simon
wrote:

Wrong! Courtesy is not even mentioned in the COLREGS.

Courtesy can only legally be abided if courtesy does not
make one violate any of the Rules. The Rules tell
me I MUST hold course and speed while sailing
in a crossing situation with a ferry (not in a narrow channel)
and they tell a ferry that as a motor vessel she must give
way to a sailboat. The only situation where this does not
apply is in narrow channels or if the sailboat is overtaking
the ferry.

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Correct.

There is the principle of courtesy, which all should follow however.
We do and they do.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
The COLREGS don't make any mention of 'common sense'.

As far as the COLREGS go, ferries are motor vessels and must
adhere to the Rules pertaining to motor vessels. This means
they are the give-way in many situations whether you or
they care to believe it. Their schedule and the number of
people they carry has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact
they are bound by the Rules to proceed in a certain manner
when interacting with other vessels. They can carry a billion
people all needing to get somewhere on time and that does
not relieve them of their legal obligation to give way to a
sailboat underway under sail.

S.Simon


"Schoonertrash" wrote in message
...
Ferry boats are like busses or trains. They operate on a fixed schedule
and
many thousands of people depend on them to keep to that schedule.
Common
sense, basic politeness, if nothing else will tell you to keep out of
there
way. And it doesn't take more than a few minutes to Steer For The Stern
rather than the bow. If nothing else re-read Rule 2. Or better yet
consider them Restricted In Ability to Manuever by virtue of their job.
It
also depends on where the ferry is located and under which laws it's
operating. In the Puget Sound and clear into Lake Washington it's
International Rules. Yet ferry's make one long horn blast when backing
out
or departing. Why? It's common sense to warn other water traffic they
are
about to move. Here's another difference which applies 'on' the ferry.
In
Washington State they are considered part of the state highway system.
All
Highway traffic rules apply to the motorist.

As for speed I took the hydrofoil to Victoria once and one from England
to
the continent. Never again. Like roller skating across railroad
ties.
Thumpety thumpety thumpety.

MST

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:32:57 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

Because of a little organization called the IRS I
will NOT claim I made almost ten grand last year
using my licenses.

Which licenses were those, Nil? What did you do, drive a cab?
Sell popcorn on a street corner?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha ...

Got news for you peabrain, an unlimited license is worth way more than
ten grand a month you ignorant wannabe ...

Rick

It doesn't have to be mentioned in the regs for it to be the
right and proper thing to do. To think otherwise, is to be
foolish. They do not tell you that you MUST hold course.
In fact, they say you MUST avoid a collision. One way to prevent
the situation where one has to take evasive action is to
act in a couteous manner.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Wrong! Courtesy is not even mentioned in the COLREGS.

Courtesy can only legally be abided if courtesy does not
make one violate any of the Rules. The Rules tell
me I MUST hold course and speed while sailing
in a crossing situation with a ferry (not in a narrow channel)
and they tell a ferry that as a motor vessel she must give
way to a sailboat. The only situation where this does not
apply is in narrow channels or if the sailboat is overtaking
the ferry.

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Correct.

There is the principle of courtesy, which all should follow however.
We do and they do.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
The COLREGS don't make any mention of 'common sense'.

As far as the COLREGS go, ferries are motor vessels and must
adhere to the Rules pertaining to motor vessels. This means
they are the give-way in many situations whether you or
they care to believe it. Their schedule and the number of
people they carry has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact
they are bound by the Rules to proceed in a certain manner
when interacting with other vessels. They can carry a billion
people all needing to get somewhere on time and that does
not relieve them of their legal obligation to give way to a
sailboat underway under sail.

S.Simon


"Schoonertrash" wrote in message
...
Ferry boats are like busses or trains. They operate on a fixed
schedule
and
many thousands of people depend on them to keep to that schedule.
Common
sense, basic politeness, if nothing else will tell you to keep out
of
there
way. And it doesn't take more than a few minutes to Steer For The
Stern
rather than the bow. If nothing else re-read Rule 2. Or better yet
consider them Restricted In Ability to Manuever by virtue of their
job.
It
also depends on where the ferry is located and under which laws it's
operating. In the Puget Sound and clear into Lake Washington it's
International Rules. Yet ferry's make one long horn blast when
backing
out
or departing. Why? It's common sense to warn other water traffic
they
are
about to move. Here's another difference which applies 'on' the
ferry.
In
Washington State they are considered part of the state highway
system.
All
Highway traffic rules apply to the motorist.

As for speed I took the hydrofoil to Victoria once and one from
England
to
the continent. Never again. Like roller skating across railroad
ties.
Thumpety thumpety thumpety.

MST

Not in the US. I know this applies in Syndey harbor, but not
in the SF bay. Ferries have lower status on the open bay.

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
God, you're stupid, have a short attention span and can't be bothered
to do some basic research before rabbiting on in your ignorance. Not so
long ago we discussed this very issue. Local rules can & do override
the general COLREG rules. In Sydney Harbour, ferries do *not* have to
give way to sailboats. Period. I'd suspect the same situation applies
to most ferries running on regular routes. Your "only situation" as
below is a figment of your limited imagination.

Peter Wiley

In article , Simple Simon
wrote:

Wrong! Courtesy is not even mentioned in the COLREGS.

Courtesy can only legally be abided if courtesy does not
make one violate any of the Rules. The Rules tell
me I MUST hold course and speed while sailing
in a crossing situation with a ferry (not in a narrow channel)
and they tell a ferry that as a motor vessel she must give
way to a sailboat. The only situation where this does not
apply is in narrow channels or if the sailboat is overtaking
the ferry.

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Correct.

There is the principle of courtesy, which all should follow however.
We do and they do.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
The COLREGS don't make any mention of 'common sense'.

As far as the COLREGS go, ferries are motor vessels and must
adhere to the Rules pertaining to motor vessels. This means
they are the give-way in many situations whether you or
they care to believe it. Their schedule and the number of
people they carry has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact
they are bound by the Rules to proceed in a certain manner
when interacting with other vessels. They can carry a billion
people all needing to get somewhere on time and that does
not relieve them of their legal obligation to give way to a
sailboat underway under sail.

S.Simon


"Schoonertrash" wrote in message
...
Ferry boats are like busses or trains. They operate on a fixed
schedule
and
many thousands of people depend on them to keep to that schedule.
Common
sense, basic politeness, if nothing else will tell you to keep out
of
there
way. And it doesn't take more than a few minutes to Steer For The
Stern
rather than the bow. If nothing else re-read Rule 2. Or better
yet
consider them Restricted In Ability to Manuever by virtue of their
job.
It
also depends on where the ferry is located and under which laws
it's
operating. In the Puget Sound and clear into Lake Washington it's
International Rules. Yet ferry's make one long horn blast when
backing
out
or departing. Why? It's common sense to warn other water traffic
they
are
about to move. Here's another difference which applies 'on' the
ferry.
In
Washington State they are considered part of the state highway
system.
All
Highway traffic rules apply to the motorist.

As for speed I took the hydrofoil to Victoria once and one from
England
to
the continent. Never again. Like roller skating across
railroad
ties.
Thumpety thumpety thumpety.

MST

ect: Ferry Speeds
From: "Simple Simon"
Date: 11/19/2003 18:32 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Because of a little organization called the IRS I
will NOT claim I made almost ten grand last year
using my licenses.

I wonder if you can claim the same or more???

S.Simon


ROFLMAO Which week?

Shen