Ahem is this now a ****ing contest?

Cheers MC

Capt. Mooron wrote:

Not my part... and my part is bigger than your part!

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| WRONG, the world belongs to US.
|
|
| "The_navigator©" wrote in message
| ...
| But you are on MY planet.
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Scott Vernon wrote:
|
| SHUT UP you foreigner! Americans are talking.
|
| Scotty
|
|
| "The_nagitattor" wrote ...
|
| Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of achieving it
| that they cannot agree on. While many would like to kill all Americans
| as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open negotiation
table.
| That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic smarts.
The
| US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their eyes as
| you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support terrorist
| countries/regimes -when it suits you.
|
| Cheers MC
|
| DSK wrote:
|
|
| "Thom Stewart" wrote...
|
|
| Thanks Joe,
|
| Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your share of
|
| real
|
| credit,
|
| In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him. It was
| the
| Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard, costly
| war
| but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!
|
| That, I believe was the last war fought that way.
|
|
| I dunno about that, Thom. War is always a military means to a
political
|
| solution for an economic problem. It's a loose
|
| term for any large group of people attempting to impose their
| collective
|
| will on another group by force. An old fashioned
|
| word for terrorism might be sabotage, and every country has tried
it's
|
| hand at sending saboteurs into 'enemy' territory.
|
| The enemy we are currenty fighting (outside of those enemies of the
|
| Constitution that we have, Lord help us, elected over
|
| ourselves) uses terrorism or sabotage because that is the only way
they
|
| have to fight. They are so poor & so desparate
|
| that they have no other means. Therefor they have no big, obvious,
|
| economically valuable targets for our military to go
|
| after.
|
| We have two huge strategic problems, and no leader of any
| industrialized
|
| country has AFAIK addressed either.
|
| 1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own goals,
| so
|
| there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on
|
| any terms
|
| 2- the terrorists make very handy agents for behind-the-scenes
economic
|
| groups who profit by the destruction of
|
| competitors assets
|
| I wish I had some answers myself, contemplating the whole situation
|
| makes me very sad.
|
|
|
| I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher than we
did.
|
|
| In some ways, it's not so bad. Cell phones & email make it easy for
|
| today's servicemen to keep in daily contact with
|
| their families. Equipment is much better & more reliable. Living
|
| conditions are also a lot better, although it seems to
|
| me (and I thought about this a lot back in my day) that the US always
|
| chooses to fight in most horrible climates &
|
| terrains we can find.
|
|
|
|
| Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all OUR
| VETS----
|
| GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"
|
|
| I'll drink to that, too, Thom!
|
| Fresh Breezes- Doug King
|
|
|
|
|

20 Years and One Day . .US Army. But more importantly. Did Thom tell you
he worked on Navy ships in WWII? Now THAT is real service!

MST

Actually mine is bigger. That's why I have to use chafing gear. The cynic
in me arises once again. A small tribute to someone like Thom devolves ad
nauseum into sandbox rhetoric. Now boys and boys...the ladies being to
intelligent to take part in this . . . .a small lesson in real politik.

Carlos Marighella, a Brazilian, writes a small tome entitled "Mini Manual
For The Urban Guerrilla". In the 60's a group of would be revolutionaries,
Tupamaros, put it's precepts to use in Uruguay. Uruguay, up til then known
as the 'Switzerland of the Americas" went from one of the four most
democratic countries of the Americas (the others being, at the time US,
Canada, and Costa Rica) on a down hill slide and almost but not quite into a
permanent military dictatorship.

The Tupamaros were small, under equipped and underfunded. They had almost
zero support. The strategy was to turn the freedoms of a democratic (Small
"D") nation against itself in a judo like manner. The tactic was
irrational acts of violence, no two alike. The victims were . . .anyone
and no one of any great importance.

All this was lumped under the term "Cycle of Repression". Here's how it
worked. An act of senseless violence was carried out. Say a bomb on a bus.
Lots of bodies. Some propaganda then released claiming the police were
impotent to stop further acts. Next maybe poison in a town's water supply.
More propaganda. More acts followed each unrelated as to place, time,
victims, or methodology. The population demands the police and other
authorities protect them. Police say 'fine but we're going to have to
suspend a few civil liberties.' Maybe roadside searches of vehicles, maybe
curfews. A few more acts of violence occur. Population gets very vocal and
demanding. Police say 'fine but we're going to have to temporarily suspend
a few more civil liberties. And so on . .. after a while along with some
other deeds designed to show the Tupamaros supported the population, the
police and the military drifted into the role of 'oppressors'. People would
forget who was the real enemy. The democratic government was now seen as
totalitarian. Cycle after cycle of violence bred more 'repression' until
the population supported the revolutionaries. Least ways this was the plan
according to Senor Marighella.

. . . . it almost worked in Uruguay.

Now 9/11 and the Department of Homeland Security . . . . . . ..

Not necessarily a bad thing . . . .as long as the cycles don't re-occur. As
for me . .. . I'd stay away from Friday night High School basketball games
in Kansas.

"The purpose of terrorism is to terrorize."

It's a new world out there folks, there are no front lines. And you wonder
why I don't care about eight or ten nukes? Welcome to my style of military
service.

Cheers . . .and don't sweat it . . .just go sailing!

MST

Your puny little country could easily fit into just one of our provinces
with plenty of room for a big herd of Bison and a Theme Park.

Sod off you Runt!

CM

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
| Ahem is this now a ****ing contest?
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
|
| Not my part... and my part is bigger than your part!
|
| CM
|
| "Scott Vernon" wrote in message
| ...
| | WRONG, the world belongs to US.
| |
| |
| | "The_navigator©" wrote in message
| | ...
| | But you are on MY planet.
| |
| | Cheers MC
| |
| | Scott Vernon wrote:
| |
| | SHUT UP you foreigner! Americans are talking.
| |
| | Scotty
| |
| |
| | "The_nagitattor" wrote ...
| |
| | Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of achieving
it
| | that they cannot agree on. While many would like to kill all
Americans
| | as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open negotiation
| table.
| | That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic
smarts.
| The
| | US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their
eyes as
| | you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support terrorist
| | countries/regimes -when it suits you.
| |
| | Cheers MC
| |
| | DSK wrote:
| |
| |
| | "Thom Stewart" wrote...
| |
| |
| | Thanks Joe,
| |
| | Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your
share of
| |
| | real
| |
| | credit,
| |
| | In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him. It
was
| | the
| | Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard,
costly
| | war
| | but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!
| |
| | That, I believe was the last war fought that way.
| |
| |
| | I dunno about that, Thom. War is always a military means to a
| political
| |
| | solution for an economic problem. It's a loose
| |
| | term for any large group of people attempting to impose their
| | collective
| |
| | will on another group by force. An old fashioned
| |
| | word for terrorism might be sabotage, and every country has tried
| it's
| |
| | hand at sending saboteurs into 'enemy' territory.
| |
| | The enemy we are currenty fighting (outside of those enemies of
the
| |
| | Constitution that we have, Lord help us, elected over
| |
| | ourselves) uses terrorism or sabotage because that is the only
way
| they
| |
| | have to fight. They are so poor & so desparate
| |
| | that they have no other means. Therefor they have no big,
obvious,
| |
| | economically valuable targets for our military to go
| |
| | after.
| |
| | We have two huge strategic problems, and no leader of any
| | industrialized
| |
| | country has AFAIK addressed either.
| |
| | 1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own
goals,
| | so
| |
| | there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on
| |
| | any terms
| |
| | 2- the terrorists make very handy agents for behind-the-scenes
| economic
| |
| | groups who profit by the destruction of
| |
| | competitors assets
| |
| | I wish I had some answers myself, contemplating the whole
situation
| |
| | makes me very sad.
| |
| |
| |
| | I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher than we
| did.
| |
| |
| | In some ways, it's not so bad. Cell phones & email make it easy
for
| |
| | today's servicemen to keep in daily contact with
| |
| | their families. Equipment is much better & more reliable. Living
| |
| | conditions are also a lot better, although it seems to
| |
| | me (and I thought about this a lot back in my day) that the US
always
| |
| | chooses to fight in most horrible climates &
| |
| | terrains we can find.
| |
| |
| |
| |
| | Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all OUR
| | VETS----
| |
| | GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"
| |
| |
| | I'll drink to that, too, Thom!
| |
| | Fresh Breezes- Doug King
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|

The_navigator© wrote in message ...
Some have very clear goals.


Yeah, To pick up a six pack of virgins just for being vaporized. What
a goal, what rational thinking, pure genious huh?


It is usually their means of achieving it
that they cannot agree on.


TNT or C4 or Deisel & fertilizer decisions, decisions.


While many would like to kill all Americans
as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open negotiation table.

We dont scare easy, We leave that to you and yours. No one is going to
sucker punch the USA and get away with it.


That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic smarts. The
US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their eyes as
you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support terrorist
countries/regimes -when it suits you.

We do not support terriorist, we support freedom fighters that helped
take the evil commies and the likes. People change. Priorties change,
if your such a smart diplomat perhaps you can understand that concept.

Joe
MSV RedCloud



Cheers MC

DSK wrote:


"Thom Stewart" wrote...

Thanks Joe,

Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your share of real
credit,

In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him. It was the
Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard, costly war
but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!

That, I believe was the last war fought that way.


I dunno about that, Thom. War is always a military means to a political solution for an economic problem. It's a loose
term for any large group of people attempting to impose their collective will on another group by force. An old fashioned
word for terrorism might be sabotage, and every country has tried it's hand at sending saboteurs into 'enemy' territory.

The enemy we are currenty fighting (outside of those enemies of the Constitution that we have, Lord help us, elected over
ourselves) uses terrorism or sabotage because that is the only way they have to fight. They are so poor & so desparate
that they have no other means. Therefor they have no big, obvious, economically valuable targets for our military to go
after.

We have two huge strategic problems, and no leader of any industrialized country has AFAIK addressed either.

1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own goals, so there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on
any terms

2- the terrorists make very handy agents for behind-the-scenes economic groups who profit by the destruction of
competitors assets

I wish I had some answers myself, contemplating the whole situation makes me very sad.



I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher than we did.


In some ways, it's not so bad. Cell phones & email make it easy for today's servicemen to keep in daily contact with
their families. Equipment is much better & more reliable. Living conditions are also a lot better, although it seems to
me (and I thought about this a lot back in my day) that the US always chooses to fight in most horrible climates &
terrains we can find.



Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all OUR VETS----

GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"


I'll drink to that, too, Thom!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

I agree, we have far less permafrost and less ignorance.

Cheers MC

Capt. Mooron wrote:

Your puny little country could easily fit into just one of our provinces
with plenty of room for a big herd of Bison and a Theme Park.

Sod off you Runt!

CM

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
| Ahem is this now a ****ing contest?
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
|
| Not my part... and my part is bigger than your part!
|
| CM
|
| "Scott Vernon" wrote in message
| ...
| | WRONG, the world belongs to US.
| |
| |
| | "The_navigator©" wrote in message
| | ...
| | But you are on MY planet.
| |
| | Cheers MC
| |
| | Scott Vernon wrote:
| |
| | SHUT UP you foreigner! Americans are talking.
| |
| | Scotty
| |
| |
| | "The_nagitattor" wrote ...
| |
| | Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of achieving
it
| | that they cannot agree on. While many would like to kill all
Americans
| | as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open negotiation
| table.
| | That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic
smarts.
| The
| | US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their
eyes as
| | you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support terrorist
| | countries/regimes -when it suits you.
| |
| | Cheers MC
| |
| | DSK wrote:
| |
| |
| | "Thom Stewart" wrote...
| |
| |
| | Thanks Joe,
| |
| | Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your
share of
| |
| | real
| |
| | credit,
| |
| | In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him. It
was
| | the
| | Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard,
costly
| | war
| | but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!
| |
| | That, I believe was the last war fought that way.
| |
| |
| | I dunno about that, Thom. War is always a military means to a
| political
| |
| | solution for an economic problem. It's a loose
| |
| | term for any large group of people attempting to impose their
| | collective
| |
| | will on another group by force. An old fashioned
| |
| | word for terrorism might be sabotage, and every country has tried
| it's
| |
| | hand at sending saboteurs into 'enemy' territory.
| |
| | The enemy we are currenty fighting (outside of those enemies of
the
| |
| | Constitution that we have, Lord help us, elected over
| |
| | ourselves) uses terrorism or sabotage because that is the only
way
| they
| |
| | have to fight. They are so poor & so desparate
| |
| | that they have no other means. Therefor they have no big,
obvious,
| |
| | economically valuable targets for our military to go
| |
| | after.
| |
| | We have two huge strategic problems, and no leader of any
| | industrialized
| |
| | country has AFAIK addressed either.
| |
| | 1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own
goals,
| | so
| |
| | there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on
| |
| | any terms
| |
| | 2- the terrorists make very handy agents for behind-the-scenes
| economic
| |
| | groups who profit by the destruction of
| |
| | competitors assets
| |
| | I wish I had some answers myself, contemplating the whole
situation
| |
| | makes me very sad.
| |
| |
| |
| | I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher than we
| did.
| |
| |
| | In some ways, it's not so bad. Cell phones & email make it easy
for
| |
| | today's servicemen to keep in daily contact with
| |
| | their families. Equipment is much better & more reliable. Living
| |
| | conditions are also a lot better, although it seems to
| |
| | me (and I thought about this a lot back in my day) that the US
always
| |
| | chooses to fight in most horrible climates &
| |
| | terrains we can find.
| |
| |
| |
| |
| | Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all OUR
| | VETS----
| |
| | GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"
| |
| |
| | I'll drink to that, too, Thom!
| |
| | Fresh Breezes- Doug King
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|

Oh dear do you really believe you just support freedom fighters? Let me
ask you a simple question. Which regimes currently supported by the US
believe in execution without trial, torture, rape, separation of
families, midnight 'knocks'. And yet you call the commies "evil"? Take
off your blinkers man.

Cheers MC

Joe wrote:



We do not support terriorist, we support freedom fighters that helped
take the evil commies and the likes. People change. Priorties change,
if your such a smart diplomat perhaps you can understand that concept.

While I agree on the permafrost.... I doubt you can say that regarding your
proximity to Australia. I mean we live next to the USA... we get acid rain
and ignorance up here with each new breeze from the South.

CM

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
| I agree, we have far less permafrost and less ignorance.
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
|
| Your puny little country could easily fit into just one of our provinces
| with plenty of room for a big herd of Bison and a Theme Park.
|
| Sod off you Runt!
|
| CM
|
| "The_navigator©" wrote in message
| ...
| | Ahem is this now a ****ing contest?
| |
| | Cheers MC
| |
| | Capt. Mooron wrote:
| |
| | Not my part... and my part is bigger than your part!
| |
| | CM
| |
| | "Scott Vernon" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | WRONG, the world belongs to US.
| | |
| | |
| | | "The_navigator©" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | But you are on MY planet.
| | |
| | | Cheers MC
| | |
| | | Scott Vernon wrote:
| | |
| | | SHUT UP you foreigner! Americans are talking.
| | |
| | | Scotty
| | |
| | |
| | | "The_nagitattor" wrote ...
| | |
| | | Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of
achieving
| it
| | | that they cannot agree on. While many would like to kill all
| Americans
| | | as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open
negotiation
| | table.
| | | That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic
| smarts.
| | The
| | | US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their
| eyes as
| | | you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support
terrorist
| | | countries/regimes -when it suits you.
| | |
| | | Cheers MC
| | |
| | | DSK wrote:
| | |
| | |
| | | "Thom Stewart" wrote...
| | |
| | |
| | | Thanks Joe,
| | |
| | | Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your
| share of
| | |
| | | real
| | |
| | | credit,
| | |
| | | In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him.
It
| was
| | | the
| | | Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard,
| costly
| | | war
| | | but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!
| | |
| | | That, I believe was the last war fought that way.
| | |
| | |
| | | I dunno about that, Thom. War is always a military means to a
| | political
| | |
| | | solution for an economic problem. It's a loose
| | |
| | | term for any large group of people attempting to impose their
| | | collective
| | |
| | | will on another group by force. An old fashioned
| | |
| | | word for terrorism might be sabotage, and every country has
tried
| | it's
| | |
| | | hand at sending saboteurs into 'enemy' territory.
| | |
| | | The enemy we are currenty fighting (outside of those enemies
of
| the
| | |
| | | Constitution that we have, Lord help us, elected over
| | |
| | | ourselves) uses terrorism or sabotage because that is the
only
| way
| | they
| | |
| | | have to fight. They are so poor & so desparate
| | |
| | | that they have no other means. Therefor they have no big,
| obvious,
| | |
| | | economically valuable targets for our military to go
| | |
| | | after.
| | |
| | | We have two huge strategic problems, and no leader of any
| | | industrialized
| | |
| | | country has AFAIK addressed either.
| | |
| | | 1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their
own
| goals,
| | | so
| | |
| | | there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on
| | |
| | | any terms
| | |
| | | 2- the terrorists make very handy agents for
behind-the-scenes
| | economic
| | |
| | | groups who profit by the destruction of
| | |
| | | competitors assets
| | |
| | | I wish I had some answers myself, contemplating the whole
| situation
| | |
| | | makes me very sad.
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | | I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher
than we
| | did.
| | |
| | |
| | | In some ways, it's not so bad. Cell phones & email make it
easy
| for
| | |
| | | today's servicemen to keep in daily contact with
| | |
| | | their families. Equipment is much better & more reliable.
Living
| | |
| | | conditions are also a lot better, although it seems to
| | |
| | | me (and I thought about this a lot back in my day) that the
US
| always
| | |
| | | chooses to fight in most horrible climates &
| | |
| | | terrains we can find.
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | | Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all
OUR
| | | VETS----
| | |
| | | GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"
| | |
| | |
| | | I'll drink to that, too, Thom!
| | |
| | | Fresh Breezes- Doug King
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|

Which regimes---------?

Do you mean the UK and their treatment of the Irish??

OT

Well of course we ship stupidy out. That's smart doncha think?

Cheers MC

Capetanios Oz wrote:

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:30:44 -0400, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote:


While I agree on the permafrost.... I doubt you can say that regarding your
proximity to Australia. I mean we live next to the USA... we get acid rain
and ignorance up here with each new breeze from the South.

CM

Our national IQ drops with every plane landing from New Zealand.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.