GOALS GOALS GOALS -not means of achieving them!

God are you stupid.

Cheers MC

DSK wrote:

The navigator© wrote:


Still not raised your debating skill beyond the schoolyard? Or are you
just as stupid as you appear to be? Let me repost your statement:

"1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own goals,
so there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on
any terms "


And you then said:


Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of achieving it
that they cannot agree on


In other words, they cannot agree. As I said.

Thank you and good night. Don't forget to take your medicine before beddie-byes.

DSK

SHUT UP you foreigner! Americans are talking.

Scotty


"The_nagitattor" wrote ...
Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of achieving it
that they cannot agree on. While many would like to kill all Americans
as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open negotiation table.
That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic smarts. The
US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their eyes as
you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support terrorist
countries/regimes -when it suits you.

Cheers MC

DSK wrote:


"Thom Stewart" wrote...

Thanks Joe,

Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your share of
real
credit,

In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him. It was the
Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard, costly war
but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!

That, I believe was the last war fought that way.


I dunno about that, Thom. War is always a military means to a political
solution for an economic problem. It's a loose
term for any large group of people attempting to impose their collective
will on another group by force. An old fashioned
word for terrorism might be sabotage, and every country has tried it's
hand at sending saboteurs into 'enemy' territory.

The enemy we are currenty fighting (outside of those enemies of the
Constitution that we have, Lord help us, elected over
ourselves) uses terrorism or sabotage because that is the only way they
have to fight. They are so poor & so desparate
that they have no other means. Therefor they have no big, obvious,
economically valuable targets for our military to go
after.

We have two huge strategic problems, and no leader of any industrialized
country has AFAIK addressed either.

1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own goals, so
there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on
any terms

2- the terrorists make very handy agents for behind-the-scenes economic
groups who profit by the destruction of
competitors assets

I wish I had some answers myself, contemplating the whole situation
makes me very sad.



I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher than we did.


In some ways, it's not so bad. Cell phones & email make it easy for
today's servicemen to keep in daily contact with
their families. Equipment is much better & more reliable. Living
conditions are also a lot better, although it seems to
me (and I thought about this a lot back in my day) that the US always
chooses to fight in most horrible climates &
terrains we can find.



Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all OUR VETS----

GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"


I'll drink to that, too, Thom!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

But you are on MY planet.

Cheers MC

Scott Vernon wrote:

SHUT UP you foreigner! Americans are talking.

Scotty


"The_nagitattor" wrote ...

Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of achieving it
that they cannot agree on. While many would like to kill all Americans
as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open negotiation table.
That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic smarts. The
US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their eyes as
you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support terrorist
countries/regimes -when it suits you.

Cheers MC

DSK wrote:


"Thom Stewart" wrote...


Thanks Joe,

Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your share of

real

credit,

In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him. It was the
Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard, costly war
but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!

That, I believe was the last war fought that way.


I dunno about that, Thom. War is always a military means to a political

solution for an economic problem. It's a loose

term for any large group of people attempting to impose their collective

will on another group by force. An old fashioned

word for terrorism might be sabotage, and every country has tried it's

hand at sending saboteurs into 'enemy' territory.

The enemy we are currenty fighting (outside of those enemies of the

Constitution that we have, Lord help us, elected over

ourselves) uses terrorism or sabotage because that is the only way they

have to fight. They are so poor & so desparate

that they have no other means. Therefor they have no big, obvious,

economically valuable targets for our military to go

after.

We have two huge strategic problems, and no leader of any industrialized

country has AFAIK addressed either.

1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own goals, so

there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on

any terms

2- the terrorists make very handy agents for behind-the-scenes economic

groups who profit by the destruction of

competitors assets

I wish I had some answers myself, contemplating the whole situation

makes me very sad.



I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher than we did.


In some ways, it's not so bad. Cell phones & email make it easy for

today's servicemen to keep in daily contact with

their families. Equipment is much better & more reliable. Living

conditions are also a lot better, although it seems to

me (and I thought about this a lot back in my day) that the US always

chooses to fight in most horrible climates &

terrains we can find.




Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all OUR VETS----

GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"


I'll drink to that, too, Thom!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

WRONG, the world belongs to US.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
But you are on MY planet.

Cheers MC

Scott Vernon wrote:

SHUT UP you foreigner! Americans are talking.

Scotty


"The_nagitattor" wrote ...

Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of achieving it
that they cannot agree on. While many would like to kill all Americans
as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open negotiation table.
That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic smarts. The
US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their eyes as
you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support terrorist
countries/regimes -when it suits you.

Cheers MC

DSK wrote:


"Thom Stewart" wrote...


Thanks Joe,

Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your share of

real

credit,

In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him. It was
the
Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard, costly
war
but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!

That, I believe was the last war fought that way.


I dunno about that, Thom. War is always a military means to a political

solution for an economic problem. It's a loose

term for any large group of people attempting to impose their
collective

will on another group by force. An old fashioned

word for terrorism might be sabotage, and every country has tried it's

hand at sending saboteurs into 'enemy' territory.

The enemy we are currenty fighting (outside of those enemies of the

Constitution that we have, Lord help us, elected over

ourselves) uses terrorism or sabotage because that is the only way they

have to fight. They are so poor & so desparate

that they have no other means. Therefor they have no big, obvious,

economically valuable targets for our military to go

after.

We have two huge strategic problems, and no leader of any
industrialized

country has AFAIK addressed either.

1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own goals,
so

there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on

any terms

2- the terrorists make very handy agents for behind-the-scenes economic

groups who profit by the destruction of

competitors assets

I wish I had some answers myself, contemplating the whole situation

makes me very sad.



I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher than we did.


In some ways, it's not so bad. Cell phones & email make it easy for

today's servicemen to keep in daily contact with

their families. Equipment is much better & more reliable. Living

conditions are also a lot better, although it seems to

me (and I thought about this a lot back in my day) that the US always

chooses to fight in most horrible climates &

terrains we can find.




Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all OUR
VETS----

GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"


I'll drink to that, too, Thom!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Not my part... and my part is bigger than your part!

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| WRONG, the world belongs to US.
|
|
| "The_navigator©" wrote in message
| ...
| But you are on MY planet.
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Scott Vernon wrote:
|
| SHUT UP you foreigner! Americans are talking.
|
| Scotty
|
|
| "The_nagitattor" wrote ...
|
| Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of achieving it
| that they cannot agree on. While many would like to kill all Americans
| as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open negotiation
table.
| That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic smarts.
The
| US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their eyes as
| you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support terrorist
| countries/regimes -when it suits you.
|
| Cheers MC
|
| DSK wrote:
|
|
| "Thom Stewart" wrote...
|
|
| Thanks Joe,
|
| Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your share of
|
| real
|
| credit,
|
| In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him. It was
| the
| Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard, costly
| war
| but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!
|
| That, I believe was the last war fought that way.
|
|
| I dunno about that, Thom. War is always a military means to a
political
|
| solution for an economic problem. It's a loose
|
| term for any large group of people attempting to impose their
| collective
|
| will on another group by force. An old fashioned
|
| word for terrorism might be sabotage, and every country has tried
it's
|
| hand at sending saboteurs into 'enemy' territory.
|
| The enemy we are currenty fighting (outside of those enemies of the
|
| Constitution that we have, Lord help us, elected over
|
| ourselves) uses terrorism or sabotage because that is the only way
they
|
| have to fight. They are so poor & so desparate
|
| that they have no other means. Therefor they have no big, obvious,
|
| economically valuable targets for our military to go
|
| after.
|
| We have two huge strategic problems, and no leader of any
| industrialized
|
| country has AFAIK addressed either.
|
| 1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own goals,
| so
|
| there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on
|
| any terms
|
| 2- the terrorists make very handy agents for behind-the-scenes
economic
|
| groups who profit by the destruction of
|
| competitors assets
|
| I wish I had some answers myself, contemplating the whole situation
|
| makes me very sad.
|
|
|
| I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher than we
did.
|
|
| In some ways, it's not so bad. Cell phones & email make it easy for
|
| today's servicemen to keep in daily contact with
|
| their families. Equipment is much better & more reliable. Living
|
| conditions are also a lot better, although it seems to
|
| me (and I thought about this a lot back in my day) that the US always
|
| chooses to fight in most horrible climates &
|
| terrains we can find.
|
|
|
|
| Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all OUR
| VETS----
|
| GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"
|
|
| I'll drink to that, too, Thom!
|
| Fresh Breezes- Doug King
|
|
|
|
|

We don't want THAT part of the world.

SV

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Not my part... and my part is bigger than your part!

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| WRONG, the world belongs to US.
|
|
| "The_navigator©" wrote in message
| ...
| But you are on MY planet.
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Scott Vernon wrote:
|
| SHUT UP you foreigner! Americans are talking.
|
| Scotty
|
|
| "The_nagitattor" wrote ...
|
| Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of achieving
it
| that they cannot agree on. While many would like to kill all
Americans
| as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open negotiation
table.
| That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic smarts.
The
| US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their eyes
as
| you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support terrorist
| countries/regimes -when it suits you.
|
| Cheers MC
|
| DSK wrote:
|
|
| "Thom Stewart" wrote...
|
|
| Thanks Joe,
|
| Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your share
of
|
| real
|
| credit,
|
| In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him. It
was
| the
| Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard,
costly
| war
| but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!
|
| That, I believe was the last war fought that way.
|
|
| I dunno about that, Thom. War is always a military means to a
political
|
| solution for an economic problem. It's a loose
|
| term for any large group of people attempting to impose their
| collective
|
| will on another group by force. An old fashioned
|
| word for terrorism might be sabotage, and every country has tried
it's
|
| hand at sending saboteurs into 'enemy' territory.
|
| The enemy we are currenty fighting (outside of those enemies of the
|
| Constitution that we have, Lord help us, elected over
|
| ourselves) uses terrorism or sabotage because that is the only way
they
|
| have to fight. They are so poor & so desparate
|
| that they have no other means. Therefor they have no big, obvious,
|
| economically valuable targets for our military to go
|
| after.
|
| We have two huge strategic problems, and no leader of any
| industrialized
|
| country has AFAIK addressed either.
|
| 1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own
goals,
| so
|
| there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on
|
| any terms
|
| 2- the terrorists make very handy agents for behind-the-scenes
economic
|
| groups who profit by the destruction of
|
| competitors assets
|
| I wish I had some answers myself, contemplating the whole situation
|
| makes me very sad.
|
|
|
| I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher than we
did.
|
|
| In some ways, it's not so bad. Cell phones & email make it easy for
|
| today's servicemen to keep in daily contact with
|
| their families. Equipment is much better & more reliable. Living
|
| conditions are also a lot better, although it seems to
|
| me (and I thought about this a lot back in my day) that the US
always
|
| chooses to fight in most horrible climates &
|
| terrains we can find.
|
|
|
|
| Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all OUR
| VETS----
|
| GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"
|
|
| I'll drink to that, too, Thom!
|
| Fresh Breezes- Doug King
|
|
|
|
|

Well goody for you cause you Can't Have It! So There!

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| We don't want THAT part of the world.
|
| SV
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| Not my part... and my part is bigger than your part!
|
| CM
|
| "Scott Vernon" wrote in message
| ...
| | WRONG, the world belongs to US.
| |
| |
| | "The_navigator©" wrote in message
| | ...
| | But you are on MY planet.
| |
| | Cheers MC
| |
| | Scott Vernon wrote:
| |
| | SHUT UP you foreigner! Americans are talking.
| |
| | Scotty
| |
| |
| | "The_nagitattor" wrote ...
| |
| | Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of achieving
| it
| | that they cannot agree on. While many would like to kill all
| Americans
| | as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open negotiation
| table.
| | That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic
smarts.
| The
| | US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their
eyes
| as
| | you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support terrorist
| | countries/regimes -when it suits you.
| |
| | Cheers MC
| |
| | DSK wrote:
| |
| |
| | "Thom Stewart" wrote...
| |
| |
| | Thanks Joe,
| |
| | Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your
share
| of
| |
| | real
| |
| | credit,
| |
| | In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him. It
| was
| | the
| | Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard,
| costly
| | war
| | but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!
| |
| | That, I believe was the last war fought that way.
| |
| |
| | I dunno about that, Thom. War is always a military means to a
| political
| |
| | solution for an economic problem. It's a loose
| |
| | term for any large group of people attempting to impose their
| | collective
| |
| | will on another group by force. An old fashioned
| |
| | word for terrorism might be sabotage, and every country has tried
| it's
| |
| | hand at sending saboteurs into 'enemy' territory.
| |
| | The enemy we are currenty fighting (outside of those enemies of
the
| |
| | Constitution that we have, Lord help us, elected over
| |
| | ourselves) uses terrorism or sabotage because that is the only
way
| they
| |
| | have to fight. They are so poor & so desparate
| |
| | that they have no other means. Therefor they have no big,
obvious,
| |
| | economically valuable targets for our military to go
| |
| | after.
| |
| | We have two huge strategic problems, and no leader of any
| | industrialized
| |
| | country has AFAIK addressed either.
| |
| | 1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own
| goals,
| | so
| |
| | there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on
| |
| | any terms
| |
| | 2- the terrorists make very handy agents for behind-the-scenes
| economic
| |
| | groups who profit by the destruction of
| |
| | competitors assets
| |
| | I wish I had some answers myself, contemplating the whole
situation
| |
| | makes me very sad.
| |
| |
| |
| | I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher than we
| did.
| |
| |
| | In some ways, it's not so bad. Cell phones & email make it easy
for
| |
| | today's servicemen to keep in daily contact with
| |
| | their families. Equipment is much better & more reliable. Living
| |
| | conditions are also a lot better, although it seems to
| |
| | me (and I thought about this a lot back in my day) that the US
| always
| |
| | chooses to fight in most horrible climates &
| |
| | terrains we can find.
| |
| |
| |
| |
| | Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all OUR
| | VETS----
| |
| | GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"
| |
| |
| | I'll drink to that, too, Thom!
| |
| | Fresh Breezes- Doug King
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
WRONG, the world belongs to the US.

No, it doesn't!



Regards

Touche.
--

On 11 Nov 2003 07:16:57 -0800, (Joe) wrote:

Thanks for doing your part in making the USA the greatest country on earth.
Thank you and all the vets that carried the tourch of freedom.

Who else here is a veteran?

Joe
C.A.P.
N.J.R.O.T.C.
BMSN
USS Samuel Gompers AD-37
USMM Master


Its to easy to tell who is not.

Thanks and Hi all.
Mark E. Williams
EX
USMC radioman with team "Date Palm"
4th Platoon; "C" Company;
1st Recon Bn.; 1st MarDiv
Jan. 68 - Aug. 69

Marine Corps birthday was Nov 10. 228 years old.

No wonder you are having trouble! You don't even know who will inherit
the earth!

Cheers MC

Scott Vernon wrote:

WRONG, the world belongs to US.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...

But you are on MY planet.

Cheers MC

Scott Vernon wrote:


SHUT UP you foreigner! Americans are talking.

Scotty


"The_nagitattor" wrote ...


Some have very clear goals. It is usually their means of achieving it
that they cannot agree on. While many would like to kill all Americans
as vermin, other wish to scare you to an honest, open negotiation table.
That you lump them together reveals your lack of diplomatic smarts. The
US's second major problem is that you gain no respect on their eyes as
you, yourself, carry out acts of terrorism and support terrorist
countries/regimes -when it suits you.

Cheers MC

DSK wrote:



"Thom Stewart" wrote...



Thanks Joe,

Doug , I return your Salute! You younger Vets deserve your share of

real


credit,

In my war, we knew who the enemy was and where to find him. It was

the

Leaders of the Military's job to defeat him, It was a hard, costly

war

but it had a direction and a goal. TOTAL VICTORY!!

That, I believe was the last war fought that way.


I dunno about that, Thom. War is always a military means to a political

solution for an economic problem. It's a loose


term for any large group of people attempting to impose their

collective

will on another group by force. An old fashioned


word for terrorism might be sabotage, and every country has tried it's

hand at sending saboteurs into 'enemy' territory.


The enemy we are currenty fighting (outside of those enemies of the

Constitution that we have, Lord help us, elected over


ourselves) uses terrorism or sabotage because that is the only way they

have to fight. They are so poor & so desparate


that they have no other means. Therefor they have no big, obvious,

economically valuable targets for our military to go


after.

We have two huge strategic problems, and no leader of any

industrialized

country has AFAIK addressed either.


1- the terrorists are irrational and cannot agree on their own goals,

so

there is no hope of making 'peace' with them on


any terms

2- the terrorists make very handy agents for behind-the-scenes economic

groups who profit by the destruction of


competitors assets

I wish I had some answers myself, contemplating the whole situation

makes me very sad.



I do salute the Military of today. They have it tougher than we did.


In some ways, it's not so bad. Cell phones & email make it easy for

today's servicemen to keep in daily contact with


their families. Equipment is much better & more reliable. Living

conditions are also a lot better, although it seems to


me (and I thought about this a lot back in my day) that the US always

chooses to fight in most horrible climates &

terrains we can find.





Thanks Joe and everyone who serviced and services. To all OUR

VETS----

GOD BLESS AMERICA; And "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"


I'll drink to that, too, Thom!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King