You have to have been around a goodly number of years to understand the
sequence. The next step is to proclaim the whole thread was a way of
'teaching' and put in such terms as to find out if anyone 'knew' or
'understood' the correct answer and that was the intent the entire time.
After that it digresses into support from alter ego's. Neal has been
correct in only two areas . .to the best of my knowledge. Katy, Haggie,
Scotty and some others may know of more. One is he actually does have a 100
ton license (New Orelans REC if I recall correctly). I think he can easily
figure out the other area where he was far more right than I. Gotta give
credit where it's due.

MST

Schoonertrash wrote:

You have to have been around a goodly number of years ...

I am glad you didn't write "ungodly number of years" 8-)

One is he actually does have a 100 ton license ...

Last time I recall he mentioned anything about it, it was a 25-ton
motorboat ticket.

I don't think that will cover membership in the Council of Master
Mariners in any event.

The next step is to proclaim the whole thread was a way of
'teaching'

He has either trashed his computer trying to protect himself from
hackers or is busy trying to google a way out but either way his silence
is amusing in itself.

Rick

The initial license is for 25tons when you only have time on a boat less
than 6 tons in size. There was something in there about an automatic raise
to 50 and 100 every six months when I did the course. Probably what I was
thinking about. I think, now that you mention it, it isn't automatic but
you have to show some sailing (more accurately motoring) time and/or put in
for it.

I'm beginning to get the sense that you guys are saying that if you
don't use your license for a minimum number of days during the 5 year
term, you could lose it ..... is this correct?

Rick wrote:
Schoonertrash wrote:

Although some of my big ship time does, I'm told, count here and there.


Check with the REC. I believe you and I use the same one and they
allowed some "observer" time documented on board a boxboat for my 100
ton ticket.

Rick

That's pretty much it. But it's not a case of so much each year but rather
so much times the number of years of the life of the license. Mine started
June 1st of 2001 and I've got just shy of 60 days time on it. Suppose due
to work considerations I only get 30 a year average on it through June 2004
or 120 days. 45 times five if I have it right is 225 and the last two years
I'd have to do 105 or 55.5 per year. However once I finish the rebuild I'm
only working four on four off give or take to no more than age 62. Then,
hopefully, social security kicks in and I'm done working for good except for
using the license. The license is up in 2006, I turn 62 a year later.
Should be no problem. And if I get the 200 ton upgrade even less of a
problem. That with the STCW added on should make it a very useful document.
Leastways that's the plan. Now it's just a matter of making up for lost
time . . .and (tongue in cheek) hoping my retirement doesn't disappear.

MST

otnmbrd wrote:

I'm beginning to get the sense that you guys are saying that if you
don't use your license for a minimum number of days during the 5 year
term, you could lose it ..... is this correct?

Yeah, you can renew for continuity or submit sailing time for renewal.
There are several ways to renew and maintain the license though.

Look at:

http://www.mptusa.com/courses%5Clicense_renewal.htm

for an easy guide to what the regs are.

Nil could just paste his ticket on the wall since it is useless. Hell,
he should just paste it anyway, it's dangerous in his hands.

Rick

You're just jealous because I use as a part-time hobby
that which you use for a living. Your vaunted and valued
Master's license is that easy for anyone to get and this
makes you mad because it makes you realize you have
no real special skills. Why the proof is any old cruising
sailor is as qualified as you are to be licensed to legally
operate a motor vessel. Furthermore said qualification
time can be gained mostly under sail. It's time on the
water that counts - not time on the water under motor
power.

S'matter there Rick?
Galls your gonads just a wee bit?
Why else all the fuss?

Bwahahahahahhahaha!

S.Simon

"Rick" wrote in message ink.net...
otnmbrd wrote:

I'm beginning to get the sense that you guys are saying that if you
don't use your license for a minimum number of days during the 5 year
term, you could lose it ..... is this correct?

Yeah, you can renew for continuity or submit sailing time for renewal.
There are several ways to renew and maintain the license though.

Look at:

http://www.mptusa.com/courses%5Clicense_renewal.htm

for an easy guide to what the regs are.

Nil could just paste his ticket on the wall since it is useless. Hell,
he should just paste it anyway, it's dangerous in his hands.

Rick

Sorry, but I disagree. Once you get that license, there is no way they
can take it from you, unless you can't pass the physical or you have an
incident that causes you to lose that license through revocation.
Now, having said this, they can make you jump through some extra hoops
at renewal time (Rules exam, etc.) but, that license is yours, as long
as you go through one of the hoops when renewing.
Pay close attention to (I believe) option 3 .... marine related experience.
The only thing current time does for you is make life easier during
renewal (no exams - and all exams are open book or at home, when you
don't have current time).
Make sure you include all your "discharges" next time you renew .....
but, and most importantly, if someone is telling you, you can lose your
license by not having actual time on the particular license, tell them
BS!!!!

otn

PS ... G I'm sorry to say, that applies to Neal, also.


Schoonertrash wrote:
That's pretty much it. But it's not a case of so much each year but rather
so much times the number of years of the life of the license. Mine started
June 1st of 2001 and I've got just shy of 60 days time on it. Suppose due
to work considerations I only get 30 a year average on it through June 2004
or 120 days. 45 times five if I have it right is 225 and the last two years
I'd have to do 105 or 55.5 per year. However once I finish the rebuild I'm
only working four on four off give or take to no more than age 62. Then,
hopefully, social security kicks in and I'm done working for good except for
using the license. The license is up in 2006, I turn 62 a year later.
Should be no problem. And if I get the 200 ton upgrade even less of a
problem. That with the STCW added on should make it a very useful document.
Leastways that's the plan. Now it's just a matter of making up for lost
time . . .and (tongue in cheek) hoping my retirement doesn't disappear.

MST

In my case, I have plenty enough time on the water in my
sailboat alone. If I decided to brag I could include the
time spend on the Boston Whaler. It would give more
than double the time needed for the past five years in
only the last three of the five. Try cruising for six
months once in a while and be on the go day in and
day out and the time piles up quickly. Time under sail
and time under motor - it's all time.

S.Simon


"otnmbrd" wrote in message ink.net...
Sorry, but I disagree. Once you get that license, there is no way they
can take it from you, unless you can't pass the physical or you have an
incident that causes you to lose that license through revocation.
Now, having said this, they can make you jump through some extra hoops
at renewal time (Rules exam, etc.) but, that license is yours, as long
as you go through one of the hoops when renewing.
Pay close attention to (I believe) option 3 .... marine related experience.
The only thing current time does for you is make life easier during
renewal (no exams - and all exams are open book or at home, when you
don't have current time).
Make sure you include all your "discharges" next time you renew .....
but, and most importantly, if someone is telling you, you can lose your
license by not having actual time on the particular license, tell them
BS!!!!

otn

PS ... G I'm sorry to say, that applies to Neal, also.


Schoonertrash wrote:
That's pretty much it. But it's not a case of so much each year but rather
so much times the number of years of the life of the license. Mine started
June 1st of 2001 and I've got just shy of 60 days time on it. Suppose due
to work considerations I only get 30 a year average on it through June 2004
or 120 days. 45 times five if I have it right is 225 and the last two years
I'd have to do 105 or 55.5 per year. However once I finish the rebuild I'm
only working four on four off give or take to no more than age 62. Then,
hopefully, social security kicks in and I'm done working for good except for
using the license. The license is up in 2006, I turn 62 a year later.
Should be no problem. And if I get the 200 ton upgrade even less of a
problem. That with the STCW added on should make it a very useful document.
Leastways that's the plan. Now it's just a matter of making up for lost
time . . .and (tongue in cheek) hoping my retirement doesn't disappear.

MST

otnmbrd wrote:

Sorry, but I disagree. Once you get that license, there is no way they
can take it from you, unless you can't pass the physical or you have an
incident that causes you to lose that license through revocation.

I don't recall anyone saying anything about the license being taken
away. If you just never show up to renew then it expires quietly and you
can do whatever you like with it.

You can lose the authority to use that license if you don't sail or jump
through all the hoops but to lose the license is an administrative thing
and that was never even mentioned to the best of my recollection.

I am not sure if Michael even needs to do anything other than turn in
his discharges to cover his 100 ton ticket anyway. All the CG asks for
is sea time, they don't care what the time is on unless it is for an
upgrade. Mine is tricky since my unlimited ticket is engine and my toy
ticket is deck ... though like I said they will count some unlimited
time spent "observing" on the bridge.

Rick