Regional Exam Center .... sometimes also referred to as OMI (office
marine inspection

Scott Vernon wrote:
What's ''REC?

SV

Seeing Neal's arguments is a good way to help understand some of the methods
lawyers use to develope arguments ..... keep it on the edge of truth and
possibly over the heads of the majority of the jury.
Neal, you could probably get away with your arguments, except for the fact,
that there are enough of us here who understand the license process and
requirements ..... how's that renewal coming?

Shen

Shen44 wrote:

..... how's that renewal coming?

This is one of those times I really wish there was an essay requirement
for renewals.

Picture the Coasties at the REC huddled around Nil's paper, trying to
contain their laughter and glancing back over their shoulders to see
what kind of applicants make it into the office these days.

If any of them took Nil seriously - they - would have the blood pressure
problems! As it is I suppose they could use a little comic relief and
you have to admit, Nil's interpretations of the regs provides a good
dose of that.

Rick

Simple Simon wrote:

There is a professional mariner here by the name of Rick
who maintains a Master's license is not worthwhile to have
for one who lives aboard and sails an aux/sailboat.

Never said any such thing, Nil. I very specifically stated that *your*
toy license does not cover a sailboat.

It does not matter a whit whether you live on it or even sail it with a
broken boom. You, Nil, are not certified by the USCG as being competent
to carry paying passengers or to operate a sail vessel for hire. You are
NOT a master of sailboats of any sort. You are not a professional sailor.

You ARE an internet wannabe though.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahah

Rick

Nothing unless you actually use it for commerce.
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
There is a loser here by the name of Rick who maintains
a Master's license is not worthwhile to have for one
who lives aboard and sails an aux/sailboat. Next thing
he will be attempting to claim a Six- Pak license is no
good for bonefish back country charters. Bwaahahahahah!

I say he's simple-minded and incorrect. Any aux/sailboat
is a motorboat unless the motor (machinery) is not on. The
transmission does not even have to be engaged. The motor
can just be sitting there running at idle charging the batteries,
for example, while the boats goes on her merry way under
sail and she is still classified as a motorboat. This means
having a sailing endorsement is really only legally required
for a pure sailboat (one with no machinery). For example,
I could be sailing along with paying passengers while my
Honda was idling in neutral and there isn't a thing in the
world I was doing illegally with respect to charging
passengers for the sail. Even if I stopped the motor
I could easily start it up again if I saw a law enforcement
vessel and if they boarded I could simply claim the motor
was running all along. This would be even simpler for
an aux/sail boat with an inboard motor as turning the
key to start a motor is even less conspicuous.

So, for all practical purposes any sailor whether he uses
his motor or knot really does not need a sailing endorsement.
The USCG realizes this and that is why they place primary
emphasis on their licenses stating Master of Steam or Motor
Vessels while they toss in a sailing endorsement mostly to
fill a loophole that of pure sailing vessels.

Now, I ask you all, how many pure sailboats have you seen
that are large enough to be for hire with captain are there
that require a sailing endorsement on one's Master of Steam
or Motor Vessels ticket? Also, ask yourself how many Master of
Sailing with motor endorsement licenses are there? The
answer to that is zero, zilch, nada, none! Yet that fool of
a boy Rick lives his life and argues his lame points on the
basis of acting like they predominate. What a misinformed
clown Rick is.

Even otn and Shen44 are smart enough to realize one cannot
make a living with a sailing endorsement. There just aren't
enough jobs of the sort available. Being a Master of Steam
and Motor Vessels is the way the majority of professionals
such as myself make a living - not via sailing endorsements.

So, Rick, please go away with your foolish statements and
goofy arguments because if you keep it up you're gonna need
to join the professional clown actor's guild.

S.Simon

"The Carrolls" wrote in message ...
Nothing unless you actually use it for commerce.


Do you have one?

Just wondering.

Joe



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
There is a loser here by the name of Rick who maintains
a Master's license is not worthwhile to have for one
who lives aboard and sails an aux/sailboat. Next thing
he will be attempting to claim a Six- Pak license is no
good for bonefish back country charters. Bwaahahahahah!

I say he's simple-minded and incorrect. Any aux/sailboat
is a motorboat unless the motor (machinery) is not on. The
transmission does not even have to be engaged. The motor
can just be sitting there running at idle charging the batteries,
for example, while the boats goes on her merry way under
sail and she is still classified as a motorboat. This means
having a sailing endorsement is really only legally required
for a pure sailboat (one with no machinery). For example,
I could be sailing along with paying passengers while my
Honda was idling in neutral and there isn't a thing in the
world I was doing illegally with respect to charging
passengers for the sail. Even if I stopped the motor
I could easily start it up again if I saw a law enforcement
vessel and if they boarded I could simply claim the motor
was running all along. This would be even simpler for
an aux/sail boat with an inboard motor as turning the
key to start a motor is even less conspicuous.

So, for all practical purposes any sailor whether he uses
his motor or knot really does not need a sailing endorsement.
The USCG realizes this and that is why they place primary
emphasis on their licenses stating Master of Steam or Motor
Vessels while they toss in a sailing endorsement mostly to
fill a loophole that of pure sailing vessels.

Now, I ask you all, how many pure sailboats have you seen
that are large enough to be for hire with captain are there
that require a sailing endorsement on one's Master of Steam
or Motor Vessels ticket? Also, ask yourself how many Master of
Sailing with motor endorsement licenses are there? The
answer to that is zero, zilch, nada, none! Yet that fool of
a boy Rick lives his life and argues his lame points on the
basis of acting like they predominate. What a misinformed
clown Rick is.

Even otn and Shen44 are smart enough to realize one cannot
make a living with a sailing endorsement. There just aren't
enough jobs of the sort available. Being a Master of Steam
and Motor Vessels is the way the majority of professionals
such as myself make a living - not via sailing endorsements.

So, Rick, please go away with your foolish statements and
goofy arguments because if you keep it up you're gonna need
to join the professional clown actor's guild.

S.Simon

Who needs it, me and my pals can dock the Exxon Valdex at City Island,
except my best friend Hazelwood ruined the boat.

Your Leader
RB



Do you have one?

Just wondering.

Joe



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
There is a loser here by the name of Rick who maintains
a Master's license is not worthwhile to have for one
who lives aboard and sails an aux/sailboat. Next thing
he will be attempting to claim a Six- Pak license is no
good for bonefish back country charters. Bwaahahahahah!

I say he's simple-minded and incorrect. Any aux/sailboat
is a motorboat unless the motor (machinery) is not on. The
transmission does not even have to be engaged. The motor
can just be sitting there running at idle charging the batteries,
for example, while the boats goes on her merry way under
sail and she is still classified as a motorboat. This means
having a sailing endorsement is really only legally required
for a pure sailboat (one with no machinery). For example,
I could be sailing along with paying passengers while my
Honda was idling in neutral and there isn't a thing in the
world I was doing illegally with respect to charging
passengers for the sail. Even if I stopped the motor
I could easily start it up again if I saw a law enforcement
vessel and if they boarded I could simply claim the motor
was running all along. This would be even simpler for
an aux/sail boat with an inboard motor as turning the
key to start a motor is even less conspicuous.

So, for all practical purposes any sailor whether he uses
his motor or knot really does not need a sailing endorsement.
The USCG realizes this and that is why they place primary
emphasis on their licenses stating Master of Steam or Motor
Vessels while they toss in a sailing endorsement mostly to
fill a loophole that of pure sailing vessels.

Now, I ask you all, how many pure sailboats have you seen
that are large enough to be for hire with captain are there
that require a sailing endorsement on one's Master of Steam
or Motor Vessels ticket? Also, ask yourself how many Master of
Sailing with motor endorsement licenses are there? The
answer to that is zero, zilch, nada, none! Yet that fool of
a boy Rick lives his life and argues his lame points on the
basis of acting like they predominate. What a misinformed
clown Rick is.

Even otn and Shen44 are smart enough to realize one cannot
make a living with a sailing endorsement. There just aren't
enough jobs of the sort available. Being a Master of Steam
and Motor Vessels is the way the majority of professionals
such as myself make a living - not via sailing endorsements.

So, Rick, please go away with your foolish statements and
goofy arguments because if you keep it up you're gonna need
to join the professional clown actor's guild.

S.Simon

Following the website lead Rick provided I found I can tie up reasonably
close to a school, upgrade to 200 ton and Oceans with a minimum of fuss.
One choice of course is in Seattle with a prep course and an on site USCG
test. The other I found is in Florida where everything is done at the
school. Full boat deal including radar, towing and advanced firefighting,
perhaps also GMDSS requires no more than a month. I'm sure there are more.
You were right that my current time counts. The weekend work I'm doing now
and did up in Virginia works in there. The only question is if the new
license will be 200 Ton Master or 100 Ton Master and 200 Ton Mate. Either
way with the full 'Oceans' designation I will move from the many to the few
who are legally able to deliver boats over 150 miles offshore. With the
more expensive yachts that's a major plus and solves a big insurance problem
for them. Above that level, especially 1600 tons and above the STCW
requirements hit you full force. That's more like 8 plus weeks but for 1600
and above it's not just worth it, it's mandatory. Two more things. It
appears the coasties MAY be phasing out 200 and keeping 500 ton licenses.
Second, a lot of what you get on a license depends on which REC you use.
Appy at Long Beach and its pretty much a screw job. The best I've found so
far are Boston and Portland, OR especially the latter. They all recommend
applying in this manner: Review and award all endorsements and levels for
my documentation and license for which I have qualified. If you want
something very specific, for example, AB Sail listed along with AB Limited
you can still ask for it. What are licenses good for? Well, in the
Chesapeake doing pick up work here and there I made double my tuition and
school costs back. Here's two funjobs. Catalina Island company driving the
glass bottom boat for the tourist trade or Laughlin NV driving the taxi boat
across the river from AZ. Jobs are where you find them and what you make of
them. I suspect bringing boats back from places like Mexico, Hawaii, or
even the Bahamas for those that didn't make it past a one way attempt is
another source. The major reason I found for going through the training was
it smoothed out the dips and bumps in my abilities. But having gained the
knowledge . . .the next step is to use the knowledge. Since the US doesn't
have anything approaching the Competency Certifications as do, say the
British, getting a 100 ton license is the best thing available.

Cheers and fair winds

MST

39 posts and I wanna disagree with both sides !

My understanding is :

Neal does NOT need a sail endorsement for his (6 passenger) charters
on Mustard

Sail Endorsements are Required when operating INSPECTED Sailing
vessels.

doesn't matter if its sail aux or pure sail,

Operators of uninspected (sailing) vessels are not required to have
the sail/aux endorsement.

Exactly right. But the pretender trio of otn, Shen44, Jeff and
Rick (he doesn't really count, thus trio) won't listen to reason
nor will they admit their error. They're so smug and self-
satisfied with their big tickets they think their feces don't
stink.

I tried to tell them that no matter the license I have,
whether master or OUPV. I can carry paying passengers
legally. I lead them all off on a nice big wild goose
chase just to make them even bigger fools when I
slammed them with the facts of the matter.

But, nooooooo. Would they listen? Would they
see reason? Would they show a little common sense
and intelligence? Don't hold your breath. They
refuse to believe a mere 25GT Master is their
master when it comes to small boat sailing. I do
it. I sail. I know how the laws apply to me. They
presume to think they know everything about
something they never do. All they do is drive
big motor vessels. They are not even in the same
league as me.

S.Simon



"Roy G. Biv" wrote in message m...
39 posts and I wanna disagree with both sides !

My understanding is :

Neal does NOT need a sail endorsement for his (6 passenger) charters
on Mustard

Sail Endorsements are Required when operating INSPECTED Sailing
vessels.

doesn't matter if its sail aux or pure sail,

Operators of uninspected (sailing) vessels are not required to have
the sail/aux endorsement.