ubject: What a USCG Master's license is good for?
From: (Roy G. Biv)
Date: 11/06/2003 16:03 Pacific Standard Time
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39 posts and I wanna disagree with both sides !

My understanding is :

Neal does NOT need a sail endorsement for his (6 passenger) charters
on Mustard

Sail Endorsements are Required when operating INSPECTED Sailing
vessels.

doesn't matter if its sail aux or pure sail,

Operators of uninspected (sailing) vessels are not required to have
the sail/aux endorsement.



EG We knew that, but were having such fun watching Neal squirm, regarding his
25 ton license, where it did apply, and where he was basing all his claims to
fame.

Shen

No, I make my living another way.
"Joe" wrote in message
m...
"The Carrolls" wrote in message
...
Nothing unless you actually use it for commerce.


Do you have one?

Just wondering.

Joe



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
There is a loser here by the name of Rick who maintains
a Master's license is not worthwhile to have for one
who lives aboard and sails an aux/sailboat. Next thing
he will be attempting to claim a Six- Pak license is no
good for bonefish back country charters. Bwaahahahahah!

I say he's simple-minded and incorrect. Any aux/sailboat
is a motorboat unless the motor (machinery) is not on. The
transmission does not even have to be engaged. The motor
can just be sitting there running at idle charging the batteries,
for example, while the boats goes on her merry way under
sail and she is still classified as a motorboat. This means
having a sailing endorsement is really only legally required
for a pure sailboat (one with no machinery). For example,
I could be sailing along with paying passengers while my
Honda was idling in neutral and there isn't a thing in the
world I was doing illegally with respect to charging
passengers for the sail. Even if I stopped the motor
I could easily start it up again if I saw a law enforcement
vessel and if they boarded I could simply claim the motor
was running all along. This would be even simpler for
an aux/sail boat with an inboard motor as turning the
key to start a motor is even less conspicuous.

So, for all practical purposes any sailor whether he uses
his motor or knot really does not need a sailing endorsement.
The USCG realizes this and that is why they place primary
emphasis on their licenses stating Master of Steam or Motor
Vessels while they toss in a sailing endorsement mostly to
fill a loophole that of pure sailing vessels.

Now, I ask you all, how many pure sailboats have you seen
that are large enough to be for hire with captain are there
that require a sailing endorsement on one's Master of Steam
or Motor Vessels ticket? Also, ask yourself how many Master of
Sailing with motor endorsement licenses are there? The
answer to that is zero, zilch, nada, none! Yet that fool of
a boy Rick lives his life and argues his lame points on the
basis of acting like they predominate. What a misinformed
clown Rick is.

Even otn and Shen44 are smart enough to realize one cannot
make a living with a sailing endorsement. There just aren't
enough jobs of the sort available. Being a Master of Steam
and Motor Vessels is the way the majority of professionals
such as myself make a living - not via sailing endorsements.

So, Rick, please go away with your foolish statements and
goofy arguments because if you keep it up you're gonna need
to join the professional clown actor's guild.

S.Simon

"The Carrolls" wrote in message ...
No, I make my living another way.



I make my living another way as well. But I do have a Masters ticket
to fall back on if needed. Plus I might buy a offshore supply
vessel..........

And it looks damn good hanging on the bulkhead. Has a picture of a big
ol Ship like the USS America and a Cargo vessel, that the snipes have
seperate quarter on the stern, with the smoke. And a offshore tug.
Most likey an engraving from the 1930's. Kinda Purdy.

Joe
USMM Officer


"Joe" wrote in message
m...
"The Carrolls" wrote in message
...
Nothing unless you actually use it for commerce.


Do you have one?

Just wondering.

Joe



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
There is a loser here by the name of Rick who maintains
a Master's license is not worthwhile to have for one
who lives aboard and sails an aux/sailboat. Next thing
he will be attempting to claim a Six- Pak license is no
good for bonefish back country charters. Bwaahahahahah!

I say he's simple-minded and incorrect. Any aux/sailboat
is a motorboat unless the motor (machinery) is not on. The
transmission does not even have to be engaged. The motor
can just be sitting there running at idle charging the batteries,
for example, while the boats goes on her merry way under
sail and she is still classified as a motorboat. This means
having a sailing endorsement is really only legally required
for a pure sailboat (one with no machinery). For example,
I could be sailing along with paying passengers while my
Honda was idling in neutral and there isn't a thing in the
world I was doing illegally with respect to charging
passengers for the sail. Even if I stopped the motor
I could easily start it up again if I saw a law enforcement
vessel and if they boarded I could simply claim the motor
was running all along. This would be even simpler for
an aux/sail boat with an inboard motor as turning the
key to start a motor is even less conspicuous.

So, for all practical purposes any sailor whether he uses
his motor or knot really does not need a sailing endorsement.
The USCG realizes this and that is why they place primary
emphasis on their licenses stating Master of Steam or Motor
Vessels while they toss in a sailing endorsement mostly to
fill a loophole that of pure sailing vessels.

Now, I ask you all, how many pure sailboats have you seen
that are large enough to be for hire with captain are there
that require a sailing endorsement on one's Master of Steam
or Motor Vessels ticket? Also, ask yourself how many Master of
Sailing with motor endorsement licenses are there? The
answer to that is zero, zilch, nada, none! Yet that fool of
a boy Rick lives his life and argues his lame points on the
basis of acting like they predominate. What a misinformed
clown Rick is.

Even otn and Shen44 are smart enough to realize one cannot
make a living with a sailing endorsement. There just aren't
enough jobs of the sort available. Being a Master of Steam
and Motor Vessels is the way the majority of professionals
such as myself make a living - not via sailing endorsements.

So, Rick, please go away with your foolish statements and
goofy arguments because if you keep it up you're gonna need
to join the professional clown actor's guild.

S.Simon

"Joe" wrote in message om...
Joe
USMM Officer

Got you beat!

S.Simon
USCG Master

hey, that would look good in my office. Where can I buy one of those? And
how much $$?

Scotty

"Joe" wrote
vessel..........

And it looks damn good hanging on the bulkhead. Has a picture of a big
ol Ship like the USS America and a Cargo vessel, that the snipes have
seperate quarter on the stern, with the smoke. And a offshore tug.
Most likey an engraving from the 1930's. Kinda Purdy.

Joe
USMM Officer