Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Bull****. Sometimes that's the most humane option.

What does "humane" mean in this context?


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For me, the most humane option when one sees a loved one
suffering is to try and end the suffering of that person or other
being. I can't speak to whether or not this particular blind (or
otherwise afflicted) cat was suffering, but I can speak to not
wanting a loved one to suffer and seeking to end that suffering,
especially when that loved one can no longer do anything but
beg to have an end to it.

"Characterized by kindness, mercy, or compassion: a humane judge."

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Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Bull****. Sometimes that's the most humane option.

What does "humane" mean in this context?


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Jonathan Ganz wrote:
For me, the most humane option when one sees a loved one
suffering is to try and end the suffering of that person or other
being. I can't speak to whether or not this particular blind (or
otherwise afflicted) cat was suffering, but I can speak to not
wanting a loved one to suffer and seeking to end that suffering,
especially when that loved one can no longer do anything but
beg to have an end to it.

If the loved one hasn't expressed a wish to be euthanised, is it still
humane?


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Good question. I'll answer that with another one... what about
the situation where, as you say, the person hasn't specifically
expressed a wish to be euthanised, but is in obvious agony
and can not speak, and of course, there is no reasonable
outlook for recovery or improvement? Moreover, what if
that "person" is an animal that can't express its thoughts, but
is just as obviously in pain most or all of the time?

I am not an advocate of euthanasia per se. I am an advocate
of treating people with respect, especially if they voice their
wishes.

"Wally" wrote in message
...
Jonathan Ganz wrote:
For me, the most humane option when one sees a loved one
suffering is to try and end the suffering of that person or other
being. I can't speak to whether or not this particular blind (or
otherwise afflicted) cat was suffering, but I can speak to not
wanting a loved one to suffer and seeking to end that suffering,
especially when that loved one can no longer do anything but
beg to have an end to it.

If the loved one hasn't expressed a wish to be euthanised, is it still
humane?


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That person would have to be in a coma to not be able to respond or
communicate.

CM

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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| Good question. I'll answer that with another one... what about
| the situation where, as you say, the person hasn't specifically
| expressed a wish to be euthanised, but is in obvious agony
| and can not speak, and of course, there is no reasonable
| outlook for recovery or improvement? Moreover, what if
| that "person" is an animal that can't express its thoughts, but
| is just as obviously in pain most or all of the time?
|
| I am not an advocate of euthanasia per se. I am an advocate
| of treating people with respect, especially if they voice their
| wishes.
|
| "Wally" wrote in message
| ...
| Jonathan Ganz wrote:
| For me, the most humane option when one sees a loved one
| suffering is to try and end the suffering of that person or other
| being. I can't speak to whether or not this particular blind (or
| otherwise afflicted) cat was suffering, but I can speak to not
| wanting a loved one to suffer and seeking to end that suffering,
| especially when that loved one can no longer do anything but
| beg to have an end to it.
|
| If the loved one hasn't expressed a wish to be euthanised, is it still
| humane?
|
|
| --
| Wally
| www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
| Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.
|
|
|
|
|

My nephew was in a coma for around 2 weeks, my brother and his wife had to
make a decision to pull the plug or not. The doctors encouraged them to
pull it. Guess they needed the bed. Anyways, there's always that nagging
little 'what if'' thought afterwards.

SV

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
That person would have to be in a coma to not be able to respond or
communicate.

CM

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
| Good question. I'll answer that with another one... what about
| the situation where, as you say, the person hasn't specifically
| expressed a wish to be euthanised, but is in obvious agony
| and can not speak, and of course, there is no reasonable
| outlook for recovery or improvement? Moreover, what if
| that "person" is an animal that can't express its thoughts, but
| is just as obviously in pain most or all of the time?
|
| I am not an advocate of euthanasia per se. I am an advocate
| of treating people with respect, especially if they voice their
| wishes.
|
| "Wally" wrote in message
| ...
| Jonathan Ganz wrote:
| For me, the most humane option when one sees a loved one
| suffering is to try and end the suffering of that person or other
| being. I can't speak to whether or not this particular blind (or
| otherwise afflicted) cat was suffering, but I can speak to not
| wanting a loved one to suffer and seeking to end that suffering,
| especially when that loved one can no longer do anything but
| beg to have an end to it.
|
| If the loved one hasn't expressed a wish to be euthanised, is it still
| humane?
|
|
| --
| Wally
| www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
| Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.
|
|
|
|
|

On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 16:19:10 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap:

My nephew was in a coma for around 2 weeks, my brother and his wife had to
make a decision to pull the plug or not. The doctors encouraged them to
pull it. Guess they needed the bed. Anyways, there's always that nagging
little 'what if'' thought afterwards.

Ganz has been in a coma for the last two years.


Hero@Horvath

I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money
on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste.

Actually, that's not necessarily true, as I can attest to from having a
close relative in the situation. He was in agony, was conscious, but
couldn't communicate.

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
That person would have to be in a coma to not be able to respond or
communicate.

CM

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
| Good question. I'll answer that with another one... what about
| the situation where, as you say, the person hasn't specifically
| expressed a wish to be euthanised, but is in obvious agony
| and can not speak, and of course, there is no reasonable
| outlook for recovery or improvement? Moreover, what if
| that "person" is an animal that can't express its thoughts, but
| is just as obviously in pain most or all of the time?
|
| I am not an advocate of euthanasia per se. I am an advocate
| of treating people with respect, especially if they voice their
| wishes.
|
| "Wally" wrote in message
| ...
| Jonathan Ganz wrote:
| For me, the most humane option when one sees a loved one
| suffering is to try and end the suffering of that person or other
| being. I can't speak to whether or not this particular blind (or
| otherwise afflicted) cat was suffering, but I can speak to not
| wanting a loved one to suffer and seeking to end that suffering,
| especially when that loved one can no longer do anything but
| beg to have an end to it.
|
| If the loved one hasn't expressed a wish to be euthanised, is it still
| humane?
|
|
| --
| Wally
| www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
| Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.
|
|
|
|
|

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Good question. I'll answer that with another one... what about
the situation where, as you say, the person hasn't specifically
expressed a wish to be euthanised, but is in obvious agony
and can not speak, and of course, there is no reasonable
outlook for recovery or improvement?

I have no wish to die at the hands of another, and I don't think I have the
right to make that decision for someone else who is unable to express a view
one way or the other. Pain is a 'now' concept and tomorrow is another day.


Moreover, what if
that "person" is an animal that can't express its thoughts, but
is just as obviously in pain most or all of the time?

We can't read their minds and we infer that they're in pain by observing
their behaviours. I sometimes wonder if people have a sick pet put down
because they can't face the prospect of watching it die a slow death.


I am not an advocate of euthanasia per se. I am an advocate
of treating people with respect, especially if they voice their
wishes.


It's my view that, to euthanise someone 'with respect', their wish that this
be done is a prerequisite.


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Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
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Not from what I've seen. It's easy to say pain is a now concept.
It's another to either be in the now for weeks/months on end or
watch someone wither away who is.

"Wally" wrote in message
...
Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Good question. I'll answer that with another one... what about
the situation where, as you say, the person hasn't specifically
expressed a wish to be euthanised, but is in obvious agony
and can not speak, and of course, there is no reasonable
outlook for recovery or improvement?

I have no wish to die at the hands of another, and I don't think I have
the
right to make that decision for someone else who is unable to express a
view
one way or the other. Pain is a 'now' concept and tomorrow is another day.


Moreover, what if
that "person" is an animal that can't express its thoughts, but
is just as obviously in pain most or all of the time?

We can't read their minds and we infer that they're in pain by observing
their behaviours. I sometimes wonder if people have a sick pet put down
because they can't face the prospect of watching it die a slow death.


I am not an advocate of euthanasia per se. I am an advocate
of treating people with respect, especially if they voice their
wishes.


It's my view that, to euthanise someone 'with respect', their wish that
this
be done is a prerequisite.


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.