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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message ... Story he http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori...6931c42. html The marinas' chickens . . . are comin' home . . . to rrroost! Serves the greedy marina operator right. They've been abusing the public for too many years with their exorbitant prices. (Around here, upwards of 1,000 dollars a month for a slip in what amounts to floating travel trailer park full of broken down, go nowhere vessels. The operators should have seen the handwriting on the wall but they've been lulled into a false sense of security because the demand, heretofore, has outstripped the supply of wet slips and moorings. Foolish people with more money to spend on highway robbery than sense. No more! Money is now in short supply and will become more so as the economy spirals into depression. These fool *businessmen*, rather than scale back the cost of slips and moorings, would rather they sit there empty. Duh! They've forgotten the basic law of supply and demand. When demand goes down you just can't expect to keep charging confiscatory rates. Letting a good percentage of your slips and moorings sit empty and then spending your time complaining about it indicates that you have not one iota of business acumen. Take your medicine - go bankrupt rather than adjust your rates and lower your overhead. There's a good little liberal wankstain! Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Nov 22, 10:16*am, "Charles Momsen" wrote:
Story he http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori...nomy_abandoned... Hey Gilligan hope all is well in Colorado, Here there are over 300 boats abandoned on the lake . http://www.galvnews.com/story.lasso?...13B4Upx1BE88DD The EL Lago Marina was one of the worst wiped out, sadly Silvers wife could not handle the pressure. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=6517696 Joe |
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"Joe" wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 10:16 am, "Charles Momsen" wrote: Story he http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori...nomy_abandoned... Hey Gilligan hope all is well in Colorado, Here there are over 300 boats abandoned on the lake . http://www.galvnews.com/story.lasso?...13B4Upx1BE88DD The EL Lago Marina was one of the worst wiped out, sadly Silvers wife could not handle the pressure. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=6517696 I feel badly for the poor guy. But . . . Why do people not anticipate this kind of thing and prepare for it? Why do people keep falling for the obviously false, liberal claptrap that a knight in shining, government armor is going to gallop out of the sunrise and rescue them from every eventuality, foreseen and unforeseen? Why is it a marina in hurricane country didn't have a plan that included rebuilding after a hurricane wiped them out? When did it ever get to the point where there was nothing but despair leading to a suicide? Where was the financial cushion? Why is a newspaper article furthering the insanity and acting like it was all somebody else's fault. Griping that government help isn't timely or enough. Worse still is the question: "Why do people reading that propaganda nod their heads in agreement?" It's a barometer into the soul of a soulless liberal society. For how many years did the Silvers own and operate the marina? 10? 15? 20? Unless they just recently purchased the marina, why did they not set aside a percentage of earnings annually in a rebuilding kitty? Why did they neglect having a contingency plan? And, if they just recently purchased it why did they wipe out most of their working capital so there was nothing left in the kitty for eventualities like hurricanes? Did they not have insurance of some sort? Where was their business plan? In hurricane country partial or total destruction it's a matter of when, not if. It sounds like they embraced the liberal lie that big brother would come to their rescue. How many times are people going to see this is rarely the case before they smarten up and become responsible for taking care of their own? Texan's, in particular, seem to like to brag about how they are so ruggedly independent and manly. While I've not seen the level of whining as was and still is the case in New Orleans - an almost totally liberal bastion - there is still an embarrassing level of whining in the Galveston area where folks pride themselves on being personally responsible and independent. As long as people believe government is their friend and helpmate they are living a lie. You have but two real friends in this life - the Good Lord and His gifts to you. Any real man realizes this truth and acts accordingly. For help of a critical nature look first to the Lord, then yourself, your friends and your church in that order. Government does not appear anywhere on the list. Wake up, people! Wilbur Hubbard |
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yep, for folks with cash in hand...there are now, and will be grat
deals avail...at least thst's what i am discovering...i started a boat corp and we ( 5 members ) are shopping right now for a used ericson 38-200... shoppin' and browsing the net, i see some great deals out there...i bid on a 1976 ericson 35 in tx w/rub rail damage...not major....and missed by aprox $8,500 getting it...i bid a max of $2,500 and it sold for $10k or so... not the boat i/we wanted.....but a heck of a deal...."cash in hand" talks in a recession, that's for sure...... cheers everyone...... On Nov 23, 8:36*am, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 10:16 am, "Charles Momsen" wrote: Story he http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori...nomy_abandoned.... Hey Gilligan hope all is well in Colorado, *Here there are over 300 boats abandoned on the lake . http://www.galvnews.com/story.lasso?...84&-session=Th... The EL Lago Marina was one of the worst wiped out, sadly Silvers wife could not handle the pressure. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=6517696 I feel badly for the poor guy. But . . . Why do people not anticipate this kind of thing and prepare for it? Why do people keep falling for the obviously false, liberal claptrap that a knight in shining, government armor is going to gallop out of the sunrise and rescue them from every eventuality, foreseen and unforeseen? Why is it a marina in hurricane country didn't have a plan that included rebuilding after a hurricane wiped them out? When did it ever get to the point where there was nothing but despair leading to a suicide? Where was the financial cushion? Why is a newspaper article furthering the insanity and acting like it was all somebody else's fault. Griping that government help isn't timely or enough. Worse still is the question: "Why do people reading that propaganda nod their heads in agreement?" *It's a barometer into the soul of a soulless liberal society. For how many years did the Silvers own and operate the marina? 10? 15? 20? Unless they just recently purchased the marina, why did they not set aside a percentage of earnings annually in a rebuilding kitty? Why did they neglect having a contingency plan? And, if they just recently purchased it why did they wipe out most of their working capital so there was nothing left in the kitty for eventualities like hurricanes? Did they not have insurance of some sort? Where was their business plan? In hurricane country partial or total destruction it's a matter of when, not if. It sounds like they embraced the liberal lie that big brother would come to their rescue. How many times are people going to see this is rarely the case before they smarten up and become responsible for taking care of their own? Texan's, in particular, seem to like to brag about how they are so ruggedly independent and manly. While I've not seen the level of whining as was and still is the case in New Orleans - an almost totally liberal bastion - there is still an embarrassing level of whining in the Galveston area where folks pride themselves on being personally responsible and independent. As long as people believe government is their friend and helpmate they are living a lie. You have but two real friends in this life - the Good Lord and His gifts to you. Any real man realizes this truth and acts accordingly. For help of a critical nature look first to the Lord, then yourself, your friends and your church in that order. Government does not appear anywhere on the list. Wake up, people! Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Nov 23, 11:13*am, "~^ beancounter ~^"
wrote: yep, for folks with cash in hand...there are now, and will be grat deals avail...at least thst's what i am discovering...i started a boat corp and we ( 5 members ) *are shopping right now for a used ericson 38-200... shoppin' and browsing the net, i see some great deals out there...i bid on a 1976 ericson 35 in tx w/rub rail damage...not major....and missed by aprox $8,500 getting it...i bid a max of $2,500 and it sold for $10k or so... not the boat i/we wanted.....but a heck of a deal...."cash in hand" talks in a recession, that's for sure...... cheers everyone...... Meet a fellow this week who bought an Alden 50 something for 20K. Needs a toe rail and some gel-coat work and rigging and a pulpit. Interior is stunning. There are many many 30 footers along the shore of Clearlake that the owners have walked away from. Joe |
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"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:
yep, for folks with cash in hand...there are now, and will be grat deals avail...at least thst's what i am discovering...i started a boat corp and we ( 5 members ) *are shopping right now for a used ericson 38-200... shoppin' and browsing the net, i see some great deals out there...i bid on a 1976 ericson 35 in tx w/rub rail damage...not major....and missed by aprox $8,500 getting it...i bid a max of $2,500 and it sold for $10k or so... not the boat i/we wanted.....but a heck of a deal...."cash in hand" talks in a recession, that's for sure...... cheers everyone...... Frankly, I don't see 99% of boats on the market right now as a "bargain" unless you have very limited sailing plans. First of all, most boats are mass-produced dockominiums that don't sail all that well and are not designed or equipped for serious sailing or cruising. They're nice for drinking beer at the dock, so if that's what you wanna do, then you can get a good deal. 2nd, most boats on the 2nd-hand market are badly neglected. Very few are reasonably equipped for anything other than mild weather (see #1 above) and all will need skilled work plus at least a few BOAT unit$ for repair, maintenance, upgrades etc. Many have been neglected to the point of needing major work. When I was boat-shopping this past spring, it was a buyer's market although not as much so as now; and of the boat within the size & type range I was looking at, I didn't see a single one I considered a bargain. Most I would not have accepted if offered to me for free. But then, I'm kinda picky. YMMV Ericsons are pretty good boats, but even at serious discount you will probably sink more $$ into it than you'll ever get out, and that's not putting a dollar value on your time & work. Remember, when good times come again, it will most likely still be a buyer's market and the boat will be older yet. So, pick a boat you really really like and will find rewarding to own & sail. Then it will be worth the work & effort you put into it. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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wrote in message ... "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote: yep, for folks with cash in hand...there are now, and will be grat deals avail...at least thst's what i am discovering...i started a boat corp and we ( 5 members ) are shopping right now for a used ericson 38-200... shoppin' and browsing the net, i see some great deals out there...i bid on a 1976 ericson 35 in tx w/rub rail damage...not major....and missed by aprox $8,500 getting it...i bid a max of $2,500 and it sold for $10k or so... not the boat i/we wanted.....but a heck of a deal...."cash in hand" talks in a recession, that's for sure...... cheers everyone...... Frankly, I don't see 99% of boats on the market right now as a "bargain" unless you have very limited sailing plans. But Doug, mass produced boats are not marketed for the slim 1% First of all, most boats are mass-produced dockominiums that don't sail all that well and are not designed or equipped for serious sailing or cruising. They're nice for drinking beer at the dock, so if that's what you wanna do, then you can get a good deal. That's what sailing and for the most part, the American way of life has become. Look at Robbie - tricked out flimsy racer for daysails, a turbo coupe for grocery runs. Image sells but doesn't make up for lack of character 2nd, most boats on the 2nd-hand market are badly neglected. Very few are reasonably equipped for anything other than mild weather (see #1 above) and all will need skilled work plus at least a few BOAT unit$ for repair, maintenance, upgrades etc. Many have been neglected to the point of needing major work. Most boats? What is your sample size for this conclusion? When I was boat-shopping this past spring, it was a buyer's market although not as much so as now; and of the boat within the size & type range I was looking at, I didn't see a single one I considered a bargain. Most I would not have accepted if offered to me for free. This begs the question: are you realistic? But then, I'm kinda picky. YMMV Ericsons are pretty good boats, but even at serious discount you will probably sink more $$ into it than you'll ever get out, and that's not putting a dollar value on your time & work. Remember, when good times come again, it will most likely still be a buyer's market and the boat will be older yet. So, pick a boat you really really like and will find rewarding to own & sail. Then it will be worth the work & effort you put into it. I think that is what most people do. The problem is you don't like 99% of boats and other people may like 20% or 50% of boats If people wait until the end of next summer then they'll see the bargains Since the Democratic controlled Congress and the future administration will be and are saddling our children with massive debt, I doubt boats will be in the game plan for many in decades to come. There will be no rebound for boats. Yachts will become what they once were - toys for the very, very wealthy. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in message ... yep, for folks with cash in hand...there are now, and will be grat deals avail...at least thst's what i am discovering...i started a boat corp and we ( 5 members ) are shopping right now for a used ericson 38-200... shoppin' and browsing the net, i see some great deals out there...i bid on a 1976 ericson 35 in tx w/rub rail damage...not major....and missed by aprox $8,500 getting it...i bid a max of $2,500 and it sold for $10k or so... not the boat i/we wanted.....but a heck of a deal...."cash in hand" talks in a recession, that's for sure...... cheers everyone...... On Nov 23, 8:36 am, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 10:16 am, "Charles Momsen" wrote: Story he http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori...nomy_abandoned... Hey Gilligan hope all is well in Colorado, Here there are over 300 boats abandoned on the lake . http://www.galvnews.com/story.lasso?...84&-session=Th... The EL Lago Marina was one of the worst wiped out, sadly Silvers wife could not handle the pressure. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=6517696 I feel badly for the poor guy. But . . . Why do people not anticipate this kind of thing and prepare for it? Why do people keep falling for the obviously false, liberal claptrap that a knight in shining, government armor is going to gallop out of the sunrise and rescue them from every eventuality, foreseen and unforeseen? Why is it a marina in hurricane country didn't have a plan that included rebuilding after a hurricane wiped them out? When did it ever get to the point where there was nothing but despair leading to a suicide? Where was the financial cushion? Why is a newspaper article furthering the insanity and acting like it was all somebody else's fault. Griping that government help isn't timely or enough. Worse still is the question: "Why do people reading that propaganda nod their heads in agreement?" It's a barometer into the soul of a soulless liberal society. For how many years did the Silvers own and operate the marina? 10? 15? 20? Unless they just recently purchased the marina, why did they not set aside a percentage of earnings annually in a rebuilding kitty? Why did they neglect having a contingency plan? And, if they just recently purchased it why did they wipe out most of their working capital so there was nothing left in the kitty for eventualities like hurricanes? Did they not have insurance of some sort? Where was their business plan? In hurricane country partial or total destruction it's a matter of when, not if. It sounds like they embraced the liberal lie that big brother would come to their rescue. How many times are people going to see this is rarely the case before they smarten up and become responsible for taking care of their own? Texan's, in particular, seem to like to brag about how they are so ruggedly independent and manly. While I've not seen the level of whining as was and still is the case in New Orleans - an almost totally liberal bastion - there is still an embarrassing level of whining in the Galveston area where folks pride themselves on being personally responsible and independent. As long as people believe government is their friend and helpmate they are living a lie. You have but two real friends in this life - the Good Lord and His gifts to you. Any real man realizes this truth and acts accordingly. For help of a critical nature look first to the Lord, then yourself, your friends and your church in that order. Government does not appear anywhere on the list. Wake up, people! Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi... ywo=sealake&+ |
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jlrogers...yep, that's a nice 30+...a bit
on the high price though.....the years 1982 - 1987 are nice years...... thanx On Nov 24, 8:04*am, "jlrogers±³©" wrote: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in ... yep, for folks with cash in hand...there are now, and will be grat deals avail...at least thst's what i am discovering...i started a boat corp and we ( 5 members ) *are shopping right now for a used ericson 38-200... shoppin' and browsing the net, i see some great deals out there...i bid on a 1976 ericson 35 in tx w/rub rail damage...not major....and missed by aprox $8,500 getting it...i bid a max of $2,500 and it sold for $10k or so... not the boat i/we wanted.....but a heck of a deal...."cash in hand" talks in a recession, that's for sure...... cheers everyone...... On Nov 23, 8:36 am, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 10:16 am, "Charles Momsen" wrote: Story he http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori...nomy_abandoned.... Hey Gilligan hope all is well in Colorado, Here there are over 300 boats abandoned on the lake . http://www.galvnews.com/story.lasso?...84&-session=Th... The EL Lago Marina was one of the worst wiped out, sadly Silvers wife could not handle the pressure. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=6517696 I feel badly for the poor guy. But . . . Why do people not anticipate this kind of thing and prepare for it? Why do people keep falling for the obviously false, liberal claptrap that a knight in shining, government armor is going to gallop out of the sunrise and rescue them from every eventuality, foreseen and unforeseen? Why is it a marina in hurricane country didn't have a plan that included rebuilding after a hurricane wiped them out? When did it ever get to the point where there was nothing but despair leading to a suicide? Where was the financial cushion? Why is a newspaper article furthering the insanity and acting like it was all somebody else's fault. Griping that government help isn't timely or enough. Worse still is the question: "Why do people reading that propaganda nod their heads in agreement?" It's a barometer into the soul of a soulless liberal society. For how many years did the Silvers own and operate the marina? 10? 15? 20? Unless they just recently purchased the marina, why did they not set aside a percentage of earnings annually in a rebuilding kitty? Why did they neglect having a contingency plan? And, if they just recently purchased it why did they wipe out most of their working capital so there was nothing left in the kitty for eventualities like hurricanes? Did they not have insurance of some sort? Where was their business plan? In hurricane country partial or total destruction it's a matter of when, not if. It sounds like they embraced the liberal lie that big brother would come to their rescue. How many times are people going to see this is rarely the case before they smarten up and become responsible for taking care of their own? Texan's, in particular, seem to like to brag about how they are so ruggedly independent and manly. While I've not seen the level of whining as was and still is the case in New Orleans - an almost totally liberal bastion - there is still an embarrassing level of whining in the Galveston area where folks pride themselves on being personally responsible and independent. As long as people believe government is their friend and helpmate they are living a lie. You have but two real friends in this life - the Good Lord and His gifts to you. Any real man realizes this truth and acts accordingly.. For help of a critical nature look first to the Lord, then yourself, your friends and your church in that order. Government does not appear anywhere on the list. Wake up, people! Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...sp?slim=b....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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