+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in message
...
yep, for folks with cash in hand...there are now, and will be grat
deals
avail...at least thst's what i am discovering...i started a boat corp
and we ( 5 members ) are shopping right now for a used ericson
38-200...

shoppin' and browsing the net, i see some great deals out there...i
bid on a 1976 ericson 35 in tx w/rub rail damage...not major....and
missed
by aprox $8,500 getting it...i bid a max of $2,500 and it sold for
$10k
or so...

not the boat i/we wanted.....but a heck of a deal...."cash in hand"
talks
in a recession, that's for sure......

cheers everyone......




On Nov 23, 8:36 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

...
On Nov 22, 10:16 am, "Charles Momsen" wrote:





Story he

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori...nomy_abandoned...

Hey Gilligan hope all is well in Colorado,

Here there are over 300 boats abandoned on the lake .

http://www.galvnews.com/story.lasso?...84&-session=Th...

The EL Lago Marina was one of the worst wiped out, sadly Silvers wife
could not handle the pressure.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=6517696

I feel badly for the poor guy. But . . .

Why do people not anticipate this kind of thing and prepare for it? Why do
people keep falling for the obviously false, liberal claptrap that a
knight
in shining, government armor is going to gallop out of the sunrise and
rescue them from every eventuality, foreseen and unforeseen?

Why is it a marina in hurricane country didn't have a plan that included
rebuilding after a hurricane wiped them out? When did it ever get to the
point where there was nothing but despair leading to a suicide? Where was
the financial cushion? Why is a newspaper article furthering the insanity
and acting like it was all somebody else's fault. Griping that government
help isn't timely or enough. Worse still is the question: "Why do people
reading that propaganda nod their heads in agreement?" It's a barometer
into the soul of a soulless liberal society.

For how many years did the Silvers own and operate the marina? 10? 15? 20?
Unless they just recently purchased the marina, why did they not set aside
a
percentage of earnings annually in a rebuilding kitty? Why did they
neglect
having a contingency plan? And, if they just recently purchased it why did
they wipe out most of their working capital so there was nothing left in
the
kitty for eventualities like hurricanes? Did they not have insurance of
some
sort? Where was their business plan? In hurricane country partial or total
destruction it's a matter of when, not if.

It sounds like they embraced the liberal lie that big brother would come
to
their rescue. How many times are people going to see this is rarely the
case
before they smarten up and become responsible for taking care of their
own?
Texan's, in particular, seem to like to brag about how they are so
ruggedly
independent and manly. While I've not seen the level of whining as was and
still is the case in New Orleans - an almost totally liberal bastion -
there
is still an embarrassing level of whining in the Galveston area where
folks
pride themselves on being personally responsible and independent.

As long as people believe government is their friend and helpmate they are
living a lie. You have but two real friends in this life - the Good Lord
and
His gifts to you. Any real man realizes this truth and acts accordingly.
For
help of a critical nature look first to the Lord, then yourself, your
friends and your church in that order. Government does not appear anywhere
on the list.

Wake up, people!

Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text -

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wrote in message
...
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:32:24 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"Joe" wrote in message
...
On Nov 23, 4:34 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
big snip

| Again, Why are you still chained to Chicken bone reef?
|
| Joe


You just demonstrated my point, Joe. Instead of being rational you
resorted
to your usual, ad hominem attack to avoid the issue. Not the most adult
of
things to do.

The fact that the topic's such a sore spot with you certainly should clue
you in that there's at least a kernel of truth in what I say. Moreover, no
matter what careless, self-serving assumptions you care to make about me,
they have little bearing on the fact that you really DO need to
re-evaluate
yourself and your choices honestly if you wish to increase your chances of
success next time around.

Wilbur Hubbard


I remember during the planning of his business, posters asked him if
he had taken care of certain things they thought would be easy to
overlook. Joe smugly replied each time that he had crossed all the T's
and dotted all the i's. He clearly hadn't. Imagine his surprise when
he got to his destination and found out that he would not be allowed
to load the 10,000 pounds he had counted on transporting. There was a
4,000 pound limit, which even if he had made it back in one piece,
would have severely impacted the whole venture.


I hadn't heard that bit of news but it doesn't really surprise me. I've
always liked Joe but I'm disappointed in him because he refuses to listen to
reason. People try to help him and he takes it as an affront to his manhood
or something. People who have this type of personality rarely are able to
learn anything from their mistakes. They seem doomed to repeat the same
mistakes over and over again.

His smug rejection of sound advice, of course, may engender "I told you
so's" as a matter of course. Yet, he seems to think these "I told you so's"
are coming out of the blue with no rhyme or reason to them when it's his
attitude that gives rise to them. In some ways his personality seems to have
certain child-like qualities unbecoming of male adulthood. I wonder if he is
a product of a broken home and was raised without any strong father figure
in his life?

Wilbur Hubbard

On Nov 24, 8:32*am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

...
On Nov 23, 4:34 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
big snip

| Again, Why are you still chained to Chicken bone reef?
|
| Joe

You just demonstrated my point, Joe. Instead of being rational you resorted
to your usual, ad hominem attack to avoid the issue. *Not the most adult of
things to do.

The fact that the topic's such a sore spot with you certainly should clue
you in that there's at least a kernel of truth in what I say. Moreover, no
matter what careless, self-serving assumptions you care to make about me,
they have little bearing on the fact that you really DO need to re-evaluate
yourself and your choices honestly if you wish to increase your chances of
success next time around.

Wilbur Hubbard

It's not a sore spot Neal. Just a subject and process that is none of
your concern. If I were seeking an opinion on how to move forward to
success, I would consult someone that is moving forward and has
experienced success.

You sir are the ad hominem attack expert. I wonder why? Why do my
question bother you so? All I asked was why you are still chained to
chicken bone reef?

Also the expert at dodging the truth about your sailing ability and
boat. And at that I quote pud"d'nhead "Don't part with your illusions.
When they are gone you may still exist, but you have ceased to live."

Please re-evaluate your choice of a hobby Neal.

Sailing is more than making an A on a 25gt masters ticket test, and
flogging the crew.
If you ever worked your ticket you would know that is it a licence to
learn, not proof you know anything pratical.

Joe

jlrogers...yep, that's a nice 30+...a bit
on the high price though.....the years 1982 - 1987
are nice years......

thanx







On Nov 24, 8:04*am, "jlrogers±³©" wrote:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in ...
yep, for folks with cash in hand...there are now, and will be grat
deals
avail...at least thst's what i am discovering...i started a boat corp
and we ( 5 members ) *are shopping right now for a used ericson
38-200...

shoppin' and browsing the net, i see some great deals out there...i
bid on a 1976 ericson 35 in tx w/rub rail damage...not major....and
missed
by aprox $8,500 getting it...i bid a max of $2,500 and it sold for
$10k
or so...

not the boat i/we wanted.....but a heck of a deal...."cash in hand"
talks
in a recession, that's for sure......

cheers everyone......

On Nov 23, 8:36 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:



"Joe" wrote in message

...
On Nov 22, 10:16 am, "Charles Momsen" wrote:

Story he

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori...nomy_abandoned....

Hey Gilligan hope all is well in Colorado,

Here there are over 300 boats abandoned on the lake .

http://www.galvnews.com/story.lasso?...84&-session=Th...

The EL Lago Marina was one of the worst wiped out, sadly Silvers wife
could not handle the pressure.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=6517696

I feel badly for the poor guy. But . . .

Why do people not anticipate this kind of thing and prepare for it? Why do
people keep falling for the obviously false, liberal claptrap that a
knight
in shining, government armor is going to gallop out of the sunrise and
rescue them from every eventuality, foreseen and unforeseen?

Why is it a marina in hurricane country didn't have a plan that included
rebuilding after a hurricane wiped them out? When did it ever get to the
point where there was nothing but despair leading to a suicide? Where was
the financial cushion? Why is a newspaper article furthering the insanity
and acting like it was all somebody else's fault. Griping that government
help isn't timely or enough. Worse still is the question: "Why do people
reading that propaganda nod their heads in agreement?" It's a barometer
into the soul of a soulless liberal society.

For how many years did the Silvers own and operate the marina? 10? 15? 20?
Unless they just recently purchased the marina, why did they not set aside
a
percentage of earnings annually in a rebuilding kitty? Why did they
neglect
having a contingency plan? And, if they just recently purchased it why did
they wipe out most of their working capital so there was nothing left in
the
kitty for eventualities like hurricanes? Did they not have insurance of
some
sort? Where was their business plan? In hurricane country partial or total
destruction it's a matter of when, not if.

It sounds like they embraced the liberal lie that big brother would come
to
their rescue. How many times are people going to see this is rarely the
case
before they smarten up and become responsible for taking care of their
own?
Texan's, in particular, seem to like to brag about how they are so
ruggedly
independent and manly. While I've not seen the level of whining as was and
still is the case in New Orleans - an almost totally liberal bastion -
there
is still an embarrassing level of whining in the Galveston area where
folks
pride themselves on being personally responsible and independent.

As long as people believe government is their friend and helpmate they are
living a lie. You have but two real friends in this life - the Good Lord
and
His gifts to you. Any real man realizes this truth and acts accordingly..
For
help of a critical nature look first to the Lord, then yourself, your
friends and your church in that order. Government does not appear anywhere
on the list.

Wake up, people!

Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...sp?slim=b....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Nov 24, 9:18*am, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:32:24 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"





wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message
....
On Nov 23, 4:34 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
big snip

| Again, Why are you still chained to Chicken bone reef?
|
| Joe

You just demonstrated my point, Joe. Instead of being rational you resorted
to your usual, ad hominem attack to avoid the issue. *Not the most adult of
things to do.

The fact that the topic's such a sore spot with you certainly should clue
you in that there's at least a kernel of truth in what I say. Moreover, no
matter what careless, self-serving assumptions you care to make about me,
they have little bearing on the fact that you really DO need to re-evaluate
yourself and your choices honestly if you wish to increase your chances of
success next time around.

Wilbur Hubbard

I remember during the planning of his business, posters asked him if
he had taken care of certain things they thought would be easy to
overlook. Joe smugly replied each time that he had crossed all the T's
and dotted all the i's. *He clearly hadn't. *Imagine his surprise when
he got to his destination and found out that he would not be allowed
to load the 10,000 pounds he had counted on transporting. There was a
4,000 pound limit, which even if he had made it back in one piece,
would have severely impacted the whole venture.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Where did you garnish this "4000 lb limit" information Mike?
No such restriction that I know of, can you please point to where you
heard this?
It would not suprise me that you heard it, because Ive read a dozen
versions of what really happened too.

Want the facts? http://www.customs.gov.bz

Joe

On Nov 24, 11:15*am, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:53:53 -0800 (PST), Joe





wrote:
On Nov 24, 9:18*am, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:32:24 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"

wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message
...
On Nov 23, 4:34 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
big snip

| Again, Why are you still chained to Chicken bone reef?
|
| Joe

You just demonstrated my point, Joe. Instead of being rational you resorted
to your usual, ad hominem attack to avoid the issue. *Not the most adult of
things to do.

The fact that the topic's such a sore spot with you certainly should clue
you in that there's at least a kernel of truth in what I say. Moreover, no
matter what careless, self-serving assumptions you care to make about me,
they have little bearing on the fact that you really DO need to re-evaluate
yourself and your choices honestly if you wish to increase your chances of
success next time around.

Wilbur Hubbard

I remember during the planning of his business, posters asked him if
he had taken care of certain things they thought would be easy to
overlook. Joe smugly replied each time that he had crossed all the T's
and dotted all the i's. *He clearly hadn't. *Imagine his surprise when
he got to his destination and found out that he would not be allowed
to load the 10,000 pounds he had counted on transporting. There was a
4,000 pound limit, which even if he had made it back in one piece,
would have severely impacted the whole venture.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Where did you garnish this "4000 lb limit" information Mike?
No such restriction that I know of, can you please point to where you
heard this?
It would not suprise me that you heard it, because Ive read a dozen
versions of what really happened too.

Want the facts?http://www.customs.gov.bz

Joe

It was widely reported. Can you point to anything to verify that you
had 10,000 pounds of coffee aboard Red Cloud? ALL accounts that
mention the amount of coffee aboard say you had 4.000 pounds of
coffee, and that you didn't know you could only take 4,000 pounds
until your arrival down there.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Don't believe everything you read in the press Mike. Like you, the
press was not privy to the facts.
There is no such limit as to the amount you can export, thats just
plain silly.

You can export any amount as long as the tariffs and taxes are paid.

Joe

On Nov 24, 11:43*am, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:39:19 -0800 (PST),
wrote:





On Nov 24, 11:15*am, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:53:53 -0800 (PST), Joe

wrote:
On Nov 24, 9:18*am, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:32:24 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"

wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message
...
On Nov 23, 4:34 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
big snip

| Again, Why are you still chained to Chicken bone reef?
|
| Joe

You just demonstrated my point, Joe. Instead of being rational you resorted
to your usual, ad hominem attack to avoid the issue. *Not the most adult of
things to do.

The fact that the topic's such a sore spot with you certainly should clue
you in that there's at least a kernel of truth in what I say. Moreover, no
matter what careless, self-serving assumptions you care to make about me,
they have little bearing on the fact that you really DO need to re-evaluate
yourself and your choices honestly if you wish to increase your chances of
success next time around.

Wilbur Hubbard

I remember during the planning of his business, posters asked him if
he had taken care of certain things they thought would be easy to
overlook. Joe smugly replied each time that he had crossed all the T's
and dotted all the i's. *He clearly hadn't. *Imagine his surprise when
he got to his destination and found out that he would not be allowed
to load the 10,000 pounds he had counted on transporting. There was a
4,000 pound limit, which even if he had made it back in one piece,
would have severely impacted the whole venture.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Where did you garnish this "4000 lb limit" information Mike?
No such restriction that I know of, can you please point to where you
heard this?
It would not suprise me that you heard it, because Ive read a dozen
versions of what really happened too.

Want the facts?http://www.customs.gov.bz

Joe

It was widely reported. Can you point to anything to verify that you
had 10,000 pounds of coffee aboard Red Cloud? ALL accounts that
mention the amount of coffee aboard say you had 4.000 pounds of
coffee, and that you didn't know you could only take 4,000 pounds
until your arrival down there.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Don't believe everything you read in the press Mike. Like you, the
press was not privy to the facts.
There is no such limit as to the amount you can export, thats just
plain silly.

You can export any amount as long as the tariffs and taxes are paid.

Joe

In other words, you can't provide a single source that disagrees with
what I said. Okay!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

A single source I provided... http://www.customs.gov.bz
Joe

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:45:02 -0800 (PST), Joe
wrote:

On Nov 24, 11:43*am, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:39:19 -0800 (PST),
wrote:





On Nov 24, 11:15*am, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:53:53 -0800 (PST), Joe

wrote:
On Nov 24, 9:18*am, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:32:24 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"

wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message
...
On Nov 23, 4:34 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
big snip

| Again, Why are you still chained to Chicken bone reef?
|
| Joe

You just demonstrated my point, Joe. Instead of being rational you resorted
to your usual, ad hominem attack to avoid the issue. *Not the most adult of
things to do.

The fact that the topic's such a sore spot with you certainly should clue
you in that there's at least a kernel of truth in what I say. Moreover, no
matter what careless, self-serving assumptions you care to make about me,
they have little bearing on the fact that you really DO need to re-evaluate
yourself and your choices honestly if you wish to increase your chances of
success next time around.

Wilbur Hubbard

I remember during the planning of his business, posters asked him if
he had taken care of certain things they thought would be easy to
overlook. Joe smugly replied each time that he had crossed all the T's
and dotted all the i's. *He clearly hadn't. *Imagine his surprise when
he got to his destination and found out that he would not be allowed
to load the 10,000 pounds he had counted on transporting. There was a
4,000 pound limit, which even if he had made it back in one piece,
would have severely impacted the whole venture.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Where did you garnish this "4000 lb limit" information Mike?
No such restriction that I know of, can you please point to where you
heard this?
It would not suprise me that you heard it, because Ive read a dozen
versions of what really happened too.

Want the facts?http://www.customs.gov.bz

Joe

It was widely reported. Can you point to anything to verify that you
had 10,000 pounds of coffee aboard Red Cloud? ALL accounts that
mention the amount of coffee aboard say you had 4.000 pounds of
coffee, and that you didn't know you could only take 4,000 pounds
until your arrival down there.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Don't believe everything you read in the press Mike. Like you, the
press was not privy to the facts.
There is no such limit as to the amount you can export, thats just
plain silly.

You can export any amount as long as the tariffs and taxes are paid.

Joe

In other words, you can't provide a single source that disagrees with
what I said. Okay!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

A single source I provided... http://www.customs.gov.bz
Joe

They don't seem to mention you at all.

"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in message
...
jlrogers...yep, that's a nice 30+...a bit
on the high price though.....the years 1982 - 1987
are nice years......

thanx


Make an offer...You might get it.




On Nov 24, 8:04 am, "jlrogers±³©" wrote:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in
...
yep, for folks with cash in hand...there are now, and will be grat
deals
avail...at least thst's what i am discovering...i started a boat corp
and we ( 5 members ) are shopping right now for a used ericson
38-200...

shoppin' and browsing the net, i see some great deals out there...i
bid on a 1976 ericson 35 in tx w/rub rail damage...not major....and
missed
by aprox $8,500 getting it...i bid a max of $2,500 and it sold for
$10k
or so...

not the boat i/we wanted.....but a heck of a deal...."cash in hand"
talks
in a recession, that's for sure......

cheers everyone......

On Nov 23, 8:36 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:



"Joe" wrote in message

...
On Nov 22, 10:16 am, "Charles Momsen" wrote:

Story he

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori...nomy_abandoned...

Hey Gilligan hope all is well in Colorado,

Here there are over 300 boats abandoned on the lake .

http://www.galvnews.com/story.lasso?...84&-session=Th...

The EL Lago Marina was one of the worst wiped out, sadly Silvers wife
could not handle the pressure.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=6517696

I feel badly for the poor guy. But . . .

Why do people not anticipate this kind of thing and prepare for it? Why
do
people keep falling for the obviously false, liberal claptrap that a
knight
in shining, government armor is going to gallop out of the sunrise and
rescue them from every eventuality, foreseen and unforeseen?

Why is it a marina in hurricane country didn't have a plan that included
rebuilding after a hurricane wiped them out? When did it ever get to the
point where there was nothing but despair leading to a suicide? Where
was
the financial cushion? Why is a newspaper article furthering the
insanity
and acting like it was all somebody else's fault. Griping that
government
help isn't timely or enough. Worse still is the question: "Why do people
reading that propaganda nod their heads in agreement?" It's a barometer
into the soul of a soulless liberal society.

For how many years did the Silvers own and operate the marina? 10? 15?
20?
Unless they just recently purchased the marina, why did they not set
aside
a
percentage of earnings annually in a rebuilding kitty? Why did they
neglect
having a contingency plan? And, if they just recently purchased it why
did
they wipe out most of their working capital so there was nothing left in
the
kitty for eventualities like hurricanes? Did they not have insurance of
some
sort? Where was their business plan? In hurricane country partial or
total
destruction it's a matter of when, not if.

It sounds like they embraced the liberal lie that big brother would come
to
their rescue. How many times are people going to see this is rarely the
case
before they smarten up and become responsible for taking care of their
own?
Texan's, in particular, seem to like to brag about how they are so
ruggedly
independent and manly. While I've not seen the level of whining as was
and
still is the case in New Orleans - an almost totally liberal bastion -
there
is still an embarrassing level of whining in the Galveston area where
folks
pride themselves on being personally responsible and independent.

As long as people believe government is their friend and helpmate they
are
living a lie. You have but two real friends in this life - the Good Lord
and
His gifts to you. Any real man realizes this truth and acts accordingly.
For
help of a critical nature look first to the Lord, then yourself, your
friends and your church in that order. Government does not appear
anywhere
on the list.

Wake up, people!

Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...jsp?slim=b...-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -