On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 13:17:12 -0800, Zoot Katz
wrote:

Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:37:30 -0500,
, Galen Hekhuis
wrote:

I know many
places where possession of certain substances is illegal, and I know many
places where selling certain substances is illegal, but I know of none
where *injecting* (or any other form of consumption) illegal drugs can
result in charges.

Drunk driving.
There are several states with laws against a minor being in possession
of alcohol by consumption.

Driving while under the influence or driving while intoxicated I don't
think apply. Possession I think even *I* pointed out above.

In South Dakota you can be busted for "internal possession".

If a cop suspects you're stoned, he can get a warrant and you can be
taken to hospital to have a urine sample forcibly removed.

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/...thdakota.shtml

I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for supplying the reference.

Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
Guns don't kill people, religions do

I'd really like to hear more about the details specific and germane to
the Miami park problem.

Could you post a mapquest link to the spot in question, or an overhead
image?

Any luck spinning up a dialogue w/ the park board?

etc.

Ob paddling: i got about 120 miles paddling my yak on the Il. Fox River
between Geneva and St. Charles and north. Well worth the small expense
to buy a cheap yak. I launch from a park a block away and they don't
mind at all.

Ob cycling: might be time to start shoveling and plowing the river trail!

..max

--
the part of
was played by maxwell monningh 8-p

"Galen Hekhuis" wrote in message
...

Are you being purposely idiotic? If so, you're doing an excellent job.

No. I'm asking a question. It is a simple matter to say you merely wrote
one thing (which is technically inaccurate) when you meant to make a
point.

It's not inaccurate. I'll defer to Mr. Hunts' expertise on the subject.

Why do you not do that instead of calling me "idiotic"?

Because you're trolling. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows that
one cannot use unless one posesses.

Cheto

"The ice is melting but the problem is ignored"

"It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most
intelligent, but the one most responsive to change."
-Charles Darwin

If it were to be an animal it would be doomed. But wait, maybe it is,
what, a warmongering lion, a hungry dinosaur?

Keep the SUVs rolling and the war going so the beast is fed. What an
unromantic way for humanity to end, huh?


Group Passes on Addressing Global Warming

By BART CAMERON, Associated Press Writer

REYKJAVIK, Iceland - Although faced with fresh evidence of global
warming, the United States and other members the Arctic Council on
Wednesday failed to make any recommendations to combat a problem most
scientists say is causing sea ice to melt and temperatures to rise.

The council met to consider a new scientific report suggesting the
Arctic is warming up much faster than the rest of the planet.

Some delegates on the council, a respected international panel that
advises governments on Arctic issues, seemed to blame their group's
inaction on America's rejection of the Kyoto Protocol (news - web
sites), which requires industrial nations to reduce emissions of
greenhouse gases. The Bush administration prefers voluntary measures
to save the environment.

"We no sooner leave the science proper than we enter into politics,"
said Bryndis Kjartansdottir, speaking on behalf of the Icelandic
ministry which chaired the one-day meeting.

The study, compiled by 300 scientists and released earlier this month,
said the Arctic is particularly vulnerable to warming from industrial
greenhouse gases. One reason is that when snow and ice melt, the
exposed, bare ground absorbs more heat.

It projects that some animals could become extinct and people living
in the region could be threatened by the thinning sea ice, melting
glaciers and thawing permafrost.

Sea ice in the Arctic has already decreased about 8 percent in 30
years, resulting in the loss of 386,100 square miles of sea ice,
according to the report.

Delegates said the findings will help inform governments about global
warming, but declined to make any specific recommendations in a
declaration adopted Wednesday.

Paula Dobriansky, the U.S. under secretary of global affairs, told the
council's closing news conference that she was happy with that
decision. She said America's participation in the council is just one
part of the Bush administration's $5.2 billion spent for environmental
projects such as renewable energies.

But anger from other delegates over the U.S. position on global
warming seemed evident during the news conference, particularly the
Bush Administration's rejection of the Kyoto Protocol in 2001.

The U.N.-sponsored accord, which was negotiated in 1997 in Kyoto,
Japan, requires industrial nations to reduce emissions of greenhouse
gases below 1990 levels.

When Finnish Foreign Minister Erkki Tuomioja said, "It is the best
possible declaration that could be adopted today," other delegates
exploded in laughter.

The council is comprised of eight nations --Canada, Denmark, Finland,
Iceland, Norway, Russia, Sweden and the United States-- and six
indigenous peoples of the Arctic, including the Saami Peoples of
Norway and Finland and the Inuit Circumpolar Conference.

http://committed.to/justiceforpeace

Good point.....what can be done?

Many things. For one, stop driving the SUV to the corner store....

But really THE PROBLEM IS POLITICAL. Dozens of good ideas are sitting
out there, but the problem is ignored....

"Whither capitalism, now that the communist dragon is slain?"

Well, history tells us that the dragon wasn't the only problem. The
stupid dinosaur sticks to his old ways refusing anything new. 'Natural
Capitalism' is a book that puts forth such ideas. But I'm afraid the
dinosaur must be controlled and put on a diet--or else get rid
of--before anything happens.

The Economist (Nov. 13, 1999):
"Much of what the authors argue for is sensible, and certainly
desirable. But what makes this book worth reading is the fact that the
authors have taken as first principles for their Utopia the harsh
truths of Darwinian capitalism: individuals and companies act in their
self interest, and markets guide that impulse through prices."

http://www.natcap.org/sitepages/pid9.php

"Cheto" wrote in message ...
"Jacobe Hazzard" wrote in message
...

If the public is so concerned about some homeless people in a park, whom
to the best of my knowledge have never been known to do anything illegal
or threatening, then maybe there's a problem with the public? Maybe, and
bear with me here, we should treat the homeless like others, innocent
until proven guilty?

I don't know where you live, but where I live urinating and defecating in
public, performing sex acts in public, drinking to the point of
unconsciousness in public, injecting illegal drugs and leaving used needles
laying around, leaving garbage laying around and agressive panhandling are
all illegal.

Cheto

When you are sitting with a backpack or worse lying back in a park
full of homeless, guess who people take you for.

If the idea of being a BUM is OK to you, then you may as well ask for
coins...

Max wrote in message ...
I'd really like to hear more about the details specific and germane to
the Miami park problem.

Could you post a mapquest link to the spot in question, or an overhead
image?

Here's the map (I hope it works)...

(I'd come down 18 st, but now I have to walk 3 times farther and
launch at a more dangerous place)

http://www.smartpages.com/cityguides...yType=&Radius=


Any luck spinning up a dialogue w/ the park board?

I did talk with them over the phone, and they were reluctant to
consider any options. After that I send them a copy of these posts but
they never reply.

etc.

Ob paddling: i got about 120 miles paddling my yak on the Il. Fox River
between Geneva and St. Charles and north. Well worth the small expense
to buy a cheap yak. I launch from a park a block away and they don't
mind at all.

Ob cycling: might be time to start shoveling and plowing the river trail!

.max

Have fun out there!

Where I am there are islands out there that are a real getaway. They
used to be DILAPIDATED but last time were clean.

"DonQuijote1954" wrote in message
om...
Max wrote in message
...
I'd really like to hear more about the details specific and germane to
the Miami park problem.

Could you post a mapquest link to the spot in question, or an overhead
image?

Here's the map (I hope it works)...

(I'd come down 18 st, but now I have to walk 3 times farther and
launch at a more dangerous place)

http://www.smartpages.com/cityguides...yType=&Radius=

This isn't some little park lake like I imagined you were describing.
Although I'm not familiar with your put-in point, any boat launch ramp
should be as available to kayaks as any other craft. If you are launching
from a non-ramp site, walk the three blocks or drive to a public ramp and be
done with it. You are so lucky to have this wonderful place to paddle.

In Colorado, we have a great deal of compassion for the homeless who have
hard and shortened lives. Typically, the homeless are struggling with
mental illness and are difficult to help although many try.

Of course, kayaking and the homeless have nothing to do with each other
except to distract the officials from your issue with them. Gratitude is
the antidote for resentment and the map seems to point to a lot to be
grateful for.

Happy Thanksgiving.

--
Sincerely,
Joanne

If it's right for you, then it's right, . . . . . for you!!!

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"Joanne" wrote in message nk.net...
This isn't some little park lake like I imagined you were describing.
Although I'm not familiar with your put-in point, any boat launch ramp
should be as available to kayaks as any other craft. If you are launching
from a non-ramp site, walk the three blocks or drive to a public ramp and be
done with it. You are so lucky to have this wonderful place to paddle.

The only park with a canoe ramp is two miles away, but takes a car and
then be limited by the closing hours. Limitations, limitations,
limitations...

And the next best choice is kind of dangerous and difficult.
Surrounding areas are all monopolized by the lions. What's left?

In Colorado, we have a great deal of compassion for the homeless who have
hard and shortened lives. Typically, the homeless are struggling with
mental illness and are difficult to help although many try.

You must have been raised into accepting the homeless as normal but I
have not. I'd like to remind you they are the symptom of a jungle. A
few that have it all (private marines and all), others that are left
behind and discarded like animals (the homeless), and a majority who
got no place in between. It's a jungle out there...

Of course, kayaking and the homeless have nothing to do with each other
except to distract the officials from your issue with them. Gratitude is
the antidote for resentment and the map seems to point to a lot to be
grateful for.

The things I have to be grateful were created by NATURE, but are
quickly disappearing thanks to the relentless attack by motorboats and
the careless dumping, so a few can have fun.

Happy Thanksgiving.

Likewise. Thanks Mother Nature!

Originally posted by Rickk
"The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"

Oh no, it's only ice falling!

"oohhhh...dead Jews and Americans!....oohhh...ohhhh...almost
there...ohhh...right there!...that's the spot...deeeeaddd
Jews...ovens....ohhhh-dead Jews! Be-headed Americans! OHHH! OHHH!
YES!!!!!! AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!"

But don't blame all Americans and Jews for it, only a few of them--the
lions so to speak. Actually the Jewish kibbutz present the best hope
to Stupid Unnecessary Vehicles and other stupid things out there...

The Greening of the Kibbutz
Environmentalists hope to restore the kibbutz movement to its former
place on the leading edge of social innovation
by Jan Martin Bang

Imagine a string of villages, settled over the last twenty five years
by young people from all over the world, inspired by the ideals of
building a new society. A cooperative society, not using money,
trusting each other, each village having unique characteristics,
owning all things in common, bringing up their children in a new
educational system, practicing democracy at a grass roots, village
level. In short, building a new type of culture.

Doesn't that sound inspiring? Can such a thing exist? Is this just a
dream? A utopia, no place?

(snip)

The task of the Green Kibbutz Group became quite clear to me, to find
this concern in every kibbutz in the country, and nurture it, helping
it along to make the kibbutz movement once again a leading social
experiment. Where modern consumerism and capitalism armed with the
latest technology are creating a wasteland unfit for human habitation,
we have a task to create a new society, one which will use the
technology available to us, in a spirit of cooperation, to create
communities which will be sustainable and live lightly on the land.

http://www.ru.org/artkibb.html