On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:55:51 GMT, joevan
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:31:46 GMT, joevan
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:09:35 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:24:52 GMT, joevan wrote:
I guess free agent has gone the way of all free gifts.
Could not find any such bird.

Forte doesn't offer the free version anymore, but there is
an archive site which has the last free version available for
download (7.7 MB self-installer). Of course, sinc this
download is not from the original company, you'd want
to virus-scan it before opening the installation file.
Using Forte's trial version for a month is probably
the way to go.

http://www.archive.org/details/ForteFreeAgent3.3
the page says:
"Forte free agent is a popular freeware news reader,
no longer available for download on the forte site.
version 3.3 is probably the latest free version."

Nothing seems to ever go away on the internet, things
just get hidden deeper in the net.

- Ruth
I downloaded it from that archive page, scanned with Kaspersky and avg
and it was clean. I set it up and clicked to use it as free agent. I
will explore it further and see what it can do.
testing
This last one was sent from the free agent. It works fine.

I use the Miro$h*t product to view the newsgroups and I get around the yenc
problem by using a fee software from Brawny Boys called yproxy. I start it
before I open Outlook and I don't even notice what format I'm downloading.
Given my service, size is not an issue but multipart posts are a pain and I
will often skip them. Posting at around 500-700k is a good size in many
news groups.

Randy

"Sj" wrote in message
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:55:47 -0500, wrote:


Sj has reposted her series of marine art by Christopher Blossom
to alt.binaries.pictures.misc on 2/16 and her series of maritime
art by John Stobart to the same group on 2/17.
She really does marvelous scans, well worth collecting.
For those willing to make the extra effort, and willing to
download UUE-encoded files, I recommend the trip to the
other newsgroup, to see if those posts are still there.

Yenc vs UUE has been heatedly debated for some time now
in many newsgroups, and it's a pity that we get so intense
about it. I suspect the argument will continue until Yenc
becomes the standard, or everyone has free high-speed access.
Or until the messiah comes.

Personally, I think that the people who put in the time
and effort to find (or photograph), scan, and post pictures
for us are very generous and do not deserve criticism for
posting in whatever way works for them, as long as they stay
within the official guidelines for the ng.
If I have to make an extra effort to receive these gifts,
well it's my choice to put in that effort or to let some
of the gifts pass me by. The person offering the gift
still deserves to be treated politely, even if they offer
something that I am not yet able to receive. When I had
a slow modem I bypassed everything that was too many KB.
Now that my modem is fast enough, I watch for reposts of
things that I had to bypass the first time around.

I'm sure that most lurkers feel the same way I do.
We usually don't speak up to defend our favorite posters,
nor even to say thanks. Maybe we sometimes feel sheepish
because we just collect, and don't have the time or perhaps
the skills, to reciprocate with scans of our own.
Since I'm in a rare, non-shy phase, I want to applaud
everyone who shares their pictures. You might not please
all the people all the time, but every poster has people
who are, or should be, thankful for the gifts you offer us.

- Ruth


You're nice

The argument will most likely continue until yEnc's supported
by MS ... but I don't think that'll happen ... but I understand
there's now a plug-in which makes life a bit simpler for OE
users ...

http://www.mutexed.com/code/OeyEnc/
"Using the icon created by this little program to open
outlook express automatically decodes yenc files
with no other external program needed."

Have no idea about any of the other newsreaders,
whether for PC or Mac, as I've never used anything
but Agent ... neither do I know much about any
operating systems other than Windows 2000 & XP ...

I just found my Media Player won't play a certain wmv
file 'cause I don't have the right codec installed ... am
trying to find out what I need now ... it gets a bit
complicated sometimes

Why do most scanners scan? Because they love
doing it

And we like to share ... if no one said anything
about my scans, I'd still scan

But it's always nice to hear from people who like
the same things I do ...

So thank you

Sj

Now if you could only get a standard for yenc, maybe there would be more
acceptance. Like with anything else in technology acceptance
standardization is key. Remember Beta versus VHS? Once standardized, the
better product won out. So will it be with this, provided a standard gets
set.

Randy

"Auld Phart" wrote in message
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:55:47 +0100, "Willem Van der Voort"
wrote:


schreef in bericht
. ..
Yenc vs UUE has been heatedly debated for some time now
in many newsgroups, and it's a pity that we get so intense
about it. I suspect the argument will continue until Yenc
becomes the standard, or everyone has free high-speed access.
Or until the messiah comes.

At the end of the day, the poster decides what they want to post and how
they
will post it. The receiver can ignore things that are posted in a way
that they
don't like, just as they can ignore posters that they don't like.

However, I do wonder when I see someone entering the debate and posting
rubbish
like that quoted below.

Yenc have noting to do with high-speed access..

Yenc has everything to do with file size, and file size has everything to
do
with speed of access.

If you look at the file size
of a Yenc poster you will see they send mostly very large files.

Anyone posting large files OR a reasonable number of smaller files would
be
quite wasteful of resources if they did not use yEnc.

A 1 Gb file posted using yEnc is transported over the net to a multitude
of news
servers as a ~ 1.03 Gb package. The same posted as UUE will use ~ 1.4 Gb.

By the same token, 1000 1 Mb jpg files will use ~ 1.03 Gb if posted in
yEnc, ~
1.4 Gb if done in UUE.

The UUE posts use ~ 35% extra bandwidth over every internet link they
traverse
and 35% extra storage on every new server where they are stored.

If everyone posted in yEnc, retention could increase by 35% over what it
would
be if everyone posted in UUE.

Yenc is usful to post large files like movies ets..
Pictures in the jpg format can easily be resized to 1200 pix wide, and
with
some compression there is no need to send them in Yenc.

So if you are offered a 35% discount on a $1000 dollar purchase you would
accept
it, but would not bother about a 35% discount on a $100 purchase, even if
you
made 10 of them?

This way everybody can enjoy them.

Not every one - only those with modern computers able to run that
new-fangled
software that handles jpg. Perhaps everyone should post in bmp format so
that
all those poor souls who still run DOS or Windows 3 paint can enjoy them.

It should not be required to be at the bleeding edge, but if your
equipment and
software is way out of date, you miss out.

I used to use a 300 baud modem. If I still tried to use that, I would be
unable
to enjoy most (or even any) of the posts. But I upgraded regularly to
something
that was not too far out of date. The people who complain that their
tired old
excuse for a newsreader will not handle yEnc can either just ignore the
yEnc
posts or get a real newsreader.

Auldphart

"Question ... are there still ngs which prohibit/frown upon the use of yEnc?
Anyone know?"

Posting yenc will bring a flame war in alt.binaries.pictures.rail for sure.
The group prefers UUE and those who wish to post yenc are requested to start
their subject lines with yenc so others can skip without attempting to
download.

I use the yproxy software to handle yenc so I don't care what format it is.
yproxy is free and doesn't really impact performance at all.

As for size, if you resize to 100-1280 and do a small amount of compression,
you can get good quality scans without multipart posts and at a reasonable
size for dial up. Yenc doesn't get you much of anything at that size.
Bigger is better doesn't cut it if you have to reduce the size of the shot
in the image viewer so you can see it. Don't forget the monitor may not be
able to deliver a better image due to its own limitations. If you are
looking to make a print of something, you can always ask the poster for the
full sized image. I have.

Randy


"Sj" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:08:38 GMT, Auld Phart
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:55:47 +0100, "Willem Van der Voort"
wrote:


schreef in bericht
...
Yenc vs UUE has been heatedly debated for some time now
in many newsgroups, and it's a pity that we get so intense
about it. I suspect the argument will continue until Yenc
becomes the standard, or everyone has free high-speed access.
Or until the messiah comes.

At the end of the day, the poster decides what they want to post and how
they
will post it. The receiver can ignore things that are posted in a way
that they
don't like, just as they can ignore posters that they don't like.

However, I do wonder when I see someone entering the debate and posting
rubbish
like that quoted below.

Yenc have noting to do with high-speed access..

Yenc has everything to do with file size, and file size has everything to
do
with speed of access.

If you look at the file size
of a Yenc poster you will see they send mostly very large files.

Anyone posting large files OR a reasonable number of smaller files would
be
quite wasteful of resources if they did not use yEnc.

A 1 Gb file posted using yEnc is transported over the net to a multitude
of news
servers as a ~ 1.03 Gb package. The same posted as UUE will use ~ 1.4 Gb.

By the same token, 1000 1 Mb jpg files will use ~ 1.03 Gb if posted in
yEnc, ~
1.4 Gb if done in UUE.

The UUE posts use ~ 35% extra bandwidth over every internet link they
traverse
and 35% extra storage on every new server where they are stored.

If everyone posted in yEnc, retention could increase by 35% over what it
would
be if everyone posted in UUE.

Not necessarily ... I find that the faster machines & the
use of yEnc encourages people to post volumes more,
whether it be jpg's, mp3's, DVD's, whatever ...

Only problem is, the days haven't gotten any longer
to assimilate more & the eyeballs/ears still work at
the same speed ...

There are some ngs which are considered dump
groups ... my news service has cut the retention of
those ngs to 2-3 days, due to the sheer volume ...

You know, if you don't yEnc, people complain ...if
you do yEnc, people complain ... just maybe the
complaints should be directed at the software
companies who make the software we use ...

I started posting here because I had a request from
someone in wallpaper to post my maritime stuff ...not
being wallpaper size, I started in misc, then found I
had a request from someone to post some here, as
this person couldn't get misc ... so I posted here
what I knew I hadn't posted here before ... then I
get a lot of garbage about segments ...that sadly
brought in yEnc, which, as it turns out, had
absolutely nothing to do my posting in segments,
as at present, I have elected not to post in yEnc ...

But the 2 got tied together ...

Question ... are there still ngs which prohibit/frown
upon the use of yEnc? Anyone know?

Anyway, tell you what ...

My home ng is artpics, has been for years ... I'll
continue to scan art/photos w/in my monitor size
(1280 x 1024) & post a few new ones each day ...

Reposts may # a few more, mainly to fine-art,
dragonz, misc &/or a.b.scanmaster ...

Since I don't foresee scanning any maritime art
in the near future, I'll just lurk here to see if I spot
a nice pic of a tug or an amazing shot of a
containership ... or etc, etc, etc, as I've gotten
some nice things here ... so, thanks to all

Sj

Yenc is usful to post large files like movies ets..
Pictures in the jpg format can easily be resized to 1200 pix wide, and
with
some compression there is no need to send them in Yenc.

So if you are offered a 35% discount on a $1000 dollar purchase you would
accept
it, but would not bother about a 35% discount on a $100 purchase, even if
you
made 10 of them?

This way everybody can enjoy them.

Not every one - only those with modern computers able to run that
new-fangled
software that handles jpg. Perhaps everyone should post in bmp format so
that
all those poor souls who still run DOS or Windows 3 paint can enjoy them.

It should not be required to be at the bleeding edge, but if your
equipment and
software is way out of date, you miss out.

I used to use a 300 baud modem. If I still tried to use that, I would be
unable
to enjoy most (or even any) of the posts. But I upgraded regularly to
something
that was not too far out of date. The people who complain that their
tired old
excuse for a newsreader will not handle yEnc can either just ignore the
yEnc
posts or get a real newsreader.

Auldphart