On Sep 14, 8:53*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message news:28a17e74-ce4b-455d-b265-

the BIG difference is that NONE of my income is from capital gains!!
how much of middle class income do you think comes from capital gains?
that's EXACTLY why the rich set up this system...so they wouldnt have
to pay taxes, knowing full well that most of THEIR income is from
capital gains, while middle class income comes from actually WORKING
for a living

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It's amazing to me to witness the different views of capital gains and
capital gains taxes.

Some see it your way. * Others see the reduction of the capital gains
penalty (taxes) as a means to encourage investment into the general economy
which, turns out, promotes growth, employment and new opportunities.

and others see that an honest day's work for an honest day's pay is an
honorable thing...except for the 'capital gains' class of folks who,
in their elitist mindset, sneer at honest labor and don't think the
middle class deserves even to be PAID for their work


The fact that you have never figured out how to take advantage of it doesn't
mean it's bad for all.

the fact you think the middle class is a bunch of morons speaks for
itself.

"wf3h" wrote in message
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On Sep 14, 8:53 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message
news:28a17e74-ce4b-455d-b265-

the BIG difference is that NONE of my income is from capital gains!!
how much of middle class income do you think comes from capital gains?
that's EXACTLY why the rich set up this system...so they wouldnt have
to pay taxes, knowing full well that most of THEIR income is from
capital gains, while middle class income comes from actually WORKING
for a living

---------------------------------

It's amazing to me to witness the different views of capital gains and
capital gains taxes.

Some see it your way. Others see the reduction of the capital gains
penalty (taxes) as a means to encourage investment into the general
economy
which, turns out, promotes growth, employment and new opportunities.

and others see that an honest day's work for an honest day's pay is an
honorable thing...except for the 'capital gains' class of folks who,
in their elitist mindset, sneer at honest labor and don't think the
middle class deserves even to be PAID for their work


The fact that you have never figured out how to take advantage of it
doesn't
mean it's bad for all.

the fact you think the middle class is a bunch of morons speaks for
itself.

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I am a member of the middle class. I am not a moron. I am also realistic
and knowledgeable enough to know that a growing world global economy was
being talked about by AGore, back in the early 90's, and the changes it
would have on the US job market and economy.

You have to prepare for and adjust to the times, not wait until your job
disappears and then waste all your time and energy complaining about it.

EIsboch

On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:13:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"wf3h" wrote in message
...
On Sep 14, 8:53 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message
news:28a17e74-ce4b-455d-b265-

the BIG difference is that NONE of my income is from capital gains!!
how much of middle class income do you think comes from capital gains?
that's EXACTLY why the rich set up this system...so they wouldnt have
to pay taxes, knowing full well that most of THEIR income is from
capital gains, while middle class income comes from actually WORKING
for a living

---------------------------------

It's amazing to me to witness the different views of capital gains and
capital gains taxes.

Some see it your way. Others see the reduction of the capital gains
penalty (taxes) as a means to encourage investment into the general
economy
which, turns out, promotes growth, employment and new opportunities.

and others see that an honest day's work for an honest day's pay is an
honorable thing...except for the 'capital gains' class of folks who,
in their elitist mindset, sneer at honest labor and don't think the
middle class deserves even to be PAID for their work


The fact that you have never figured out how to take advantage of it
doesn't
mean it's bad for all.

the fact you think the middle class is a bunch of morons speaks for
itself.

-------------------------------------------------------------


I am a member of the middle class. I am not a moron. I am also realistic
and knowledgeable enough to know that a growing world global economy was
being talked about by AGore, back in the early 90's, and the changes it
would have on the US job market and economy.

You have to prepare for and adjust to the times, not wait until your job
disappears and then waste all your time and energy complaining about it.

EIsboch


Sorry, Eichman, but we've seen pictures of your gentleman's farm and
many of your toys. You do not even remotely qualify as middle class,
unless you recently moved to Monaco and didn't tell us.

wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:13:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


I am a member of the middle class. I am not a moron. I am also
realistic
and knowledgeable enough to know that a growing world global economy was
being talked about by AGore, back in the early 90's, and the changes it
would have on the US job market and economy.

You have to prepare for and adjust to the times, not wait until your job
disappears and then waste all your time and energy complaining about it.

EIsboch



Sorry, Eichman, but we've seen pictures of your gentleman's farm and
many of your toys. You do not even remotely qualify as middle class,
unless you recently moved to Monaco and didn't tell us.



Ok. Here's what I don't get.....

The money that paid for the "gentleman's farm" (as you call it) and the toys
was earned as a regular, run of the mill, middle class work-a-bee .......
me.

My roots are firmly planted in the middle class economic sector. In fact,
if anything, more towards lower middle class, financially because I got a
late start in civilian employment and had to play financial catch up for a
while to equal my contemporaries that started work right out of high school
or college. Spent 9 years in the Navy doing a lot of interesting things
however none were particularly financially rewarding.

So, I go about making a living. Like most, I worked hard and took advantage
of opportunities. But one thing I *never* did was complain about those that
had more than I, nor did I envy them or the "rich". Frankly, I was too
busy trying to make a living.

The reward that came and now puts us in a comfortable financial situation
was never planned, considered or even dreamed of.
It just happened to turn out that what I did became very valuable to someone
else.

And, since I am not a complete dummy, I accepted.

So now, my question is ..... if I worked and lived most of my life as a
member of the middle class group, and then I happen to have a degree of
financial success, due to efforts as such, why am I now viewed differently,
called a moron and suddenly accused of not being able to understand what
it's like to be "middle class"?

My point is that I subscribe to and fully support the freedoms we have to
pursue any level of achievement, financial or otherwise that we set for
ourselves. It's not always easy, but as long as we have the freedom to
aspire, we can make that choice.
My biggest concern about the current Democratic party philosophy, and
particularly that of Obama, is that, if elected, we are going to rely more
on government to cure our middle class problems. This will, by default,
further classify us, average us, and take away the incentives of individual
initiative. In other words, another giant step towards socialism.

I am firmly convinced that Obama is an unannounced socialist, BTW.

Eisboch

On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:56:25 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


wrote in message
.. .

On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:13:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


I am a member of the middle class. I am not a moron. I am also
realistic
and knowledgeable enough to know that a growing world global economy was
being talked about by AGore, back in the early 90's, and the changes it
would have on the US job market and economy.

You have to prepare for and adjust to the times, not wait until your job
disappears and then waste all your time and energy complaining about it.

EIsboch



Sorry, Eichman, but we've seen pictures of your gentleman's farm and
many of your toys. You do not even remotely qualify as middle class,
unless you recently moved to Monaco and didn't tell us.



Ok. Here's what I don't get.....

The money that paid for the "gentleman's farm" (as you call it) and the toys
was earned as a regular, run of the mill, middle class work-a-bee .......
me.

My roots are firmly planted in the middle class economic sector. In fact,
if anything, more towards lower middle class, financially because I got a
late start in civilian employment and had to play financial catch up for a
while to equal my contemporaries that started work right out of high school
or college. Spent 9 years in the Navy doing a lot of interesting things
however none were particularly financially rewarding.

So, I go about making a living. Like most, I worked hard and took advantage
of opportunities. But one thing I *never* did was complain about those that
had more than I, nor did I envy them or the "rich". Frankly, I was too
busy trying to make a living.

The reward that came and now puts us in a comfortable financial situation
was never planned, considered or even dreamed of.
It just happened to turn out that what I did became very valuable to someone
else.

And, since I am not a complete dummy, I accepted.

So now, my question is ..... if I worked and lived most of my life as a
member of the middle class group, and then I happen to have a degree of
financial success, due to efforts as such, why am I now viewed differently,
called a moron and suddenly accused of not being able to understand what
it's like to be "middle class"?

My point is that I subscribe to and fully support the freedoms we have to
pursue any level of achievement, financial or otherwise that we set for
ourselves. It's not always easy, but as long as we have the freedom to
aspire, we can make that choice.
My biggest concern about the current Democratic party philosophy, and
particularly that of Obama, is that, if elected, we are going to rely more
on government to cure our middle class problems. This will, by default,
further classify us, average us, and take away the incentives of individual
initiative. In other words, another giant step towards socialism.

I am firmly convinced that Obama is an unannounced socialist, BTW.

Eisboch


You are not middle class, Einstein, and you clearly have no clue as to
what the middle class is faced with.

wrote in message
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You are not middle class, Einstein, and you clearly have no clue as to
what the middle class is faced with.


Absolute BS. Sorry.

But, it's interesting, in a sad way.

Eisboch

On Sep 14, 2:56*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:

So, I go about making a living. *Like most, I worked hard and took advantage
of opportunities. *But one thing I *never* did was complain about those that
had more than I, nor did I envy them or the "rich". *

WHOA tall dark stranger. NO ONE is comlaining about those who have
'more than i'. what i'm complaining about is complacent idiots like
you who place all blame on the middle class, on unions, etc. and
completely exculpate the enrons, the bear stearns, the oil
companies...the numerous companies that lay off hundreds of thousands
of people...destroy whole communities

THEN bribe politicians to keep health care private, little or no re-
education funding, etc. you're in incompetent shill who just loves a
good fairy tale.

My point is that I subscribe to and fully support the freedoms we have to
pursue any level of achievement, financial or otherwise that we set for
ourselves. *It's not always easy, but as long as we have the freedom to
aspire, we can make that choice.

really?

then, pray tell, why are virtually no students admitted to ivy league
schools from working class families? what do you do with places like
findlay, ohio, or pittsburgh that are wiped out by corporate
abandoment?

why are the right to work states also those with the highest
illiteracy, highest rates of teen pregancy, lowest wages, etc. why do
those who believe as YOU do wind up at the bottom end of the economic
ladder, all the while telling us how successful they are?


My biggest concern about the current Democratic party philosophy, and
particularly that of Obama, is that, if elected, we are going to rely more
on government to cure our middle class problems.

ROFLMAO!! hey moron..it seems to work for the rich. everytime the RICH
get into trouble, they tell us that they're too important to
fail...witness bear stearns. THEN they rely on the GOP and the govt to
cure THEIR problems

you, with your fairy tale mentality, can't handle that. it blows your
fuse to even consider it. you're a socialist. you're just too dumb to
realize the socialism you're in favor of is socialism for the rich.


*This will, by default,
further classify us, average us, and take away the incentives of individual
initiative. * In other words, another giant step towards socialism.

I am firmly convinced that Obama is an unannounced socialist, BTW.

well, then...you and he have something in common, because, so are you.

"wf3h" wrote in message
...

On Sep 14, 2:56 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:

So, I go about making a living. Like most, I worked hard and took
advantage
of opportunities. But one thing I *never* did was complain about those
that
had more than I, nor did I envy them or the "rich".

WHOA tall dark stranger. NO ONE is comlaining about those who have
'more than i'. what i'm complaining about is complacent idiots like
you who place all blame on the middle class, on unions, etc. and
completely exculpate the enrons, the bear stearns, the oil
companies...the numerous companies that lay off hundreds of thousands
of people...destroy whole communities

THEN bribe politicians to keep health care private, little or no re-
education funding, etc. you're in incompetent shill who just loves a
good fairy tale.

My point is that I subscribe to and fully support the freedoms we have to
pursue any level of achievement, financial or otherwise that we set for
ourselves. It's not always easy, but as long as we have the freedom to
aspire, we can make that choice.

really?

then, pray tell, why are virtually no students admitted to ivy league
schools from working class families? what do you do with places like
findlay, ohio, or pittsburgh that are wiped out by corporate
abandoment?

why are the right to work states also those with the highest
illiteracy, highest rates of teen pregancy, lowest wages, etc. why do
those who believe as YOU do wind up at the bottom end of the economic
ladder, all the while telling us how successful they are?


My biggest concern about the current Democratic party philosophy, and
particularly that of Obama, is that, if elected, we are going to rely more
on government to cure our middle class problems.

ROFLMAO!! hey moron..it seems to work for the rich. everytime the RICH
get into trouble, they tell us that they're too important to
fail...witness bear stearns. THEN they rely on the GOP and the govt to
cure THEIR problems

you, with your fairy tale mentality, can't handle that. it blows your
fuse to even consider it. you're a socialist. you're just too dumb to
realize the socialism you're in favor of is socialism for the rich.


This will, by default,
further classify us, average us, and take away the incentives of
individual
initiative. In other words, another giant step towards socialism.

I am firmly convinced that Obama is an unannounced socialist, BTW.

well, then...you and he have something in common, because, so are you.

------------------------------

People never cease to amaze me in how they can take words and twist them
around to satisfy their positions. And then, for added emphasis, have to
call others "morons", "dumbfochs", "idiots" and on and on ad nauseum.

Have fun .... I am out.

Eisboch

wf3h wrote:


then, pray tell, why are virtually no students admitted to ivy league
schools from working class families? what do you do with places like
findlay, ohio, or pittsburgh that are wiped out by corporate
abandoment?

I hate to tell you, but Ivy League schools are FULL of middle class
families. My father, definitely working class went to Yale, myself and
my son are definitely middle class graduated from Columbia. Since the
60's, Ivy League schools don't discriminate due to income, and the
economic demographics of an Ivy League school represent the economic
demographics of America. Ivy League schools will actually give working
and poor students academic considerations they don't give to middle
class and above students to make sure they do have a balanced class.
Sure there are many wealthy at the schools, but the middle class,
working class and below are the majority of those attending Ivy League
today. Starting 2 years after my son started school, all admitting
freshman whose family income was below $75,000 got a 100% scholarship.

Your understanding of Ivy League schools is a complete as your
understanding of world economics.


This will, by default,
further classify us, average us, and take away the incentives of individual
initiative. In other words, another giant step towards socialism.

I am firmly convinced that Obama is an unannounced socialist, BTW.

well, then...you and he have something in common, because, so are you.

On Sep 14, 4:57*pm, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:
wf3h wrote:

then, pray tell, why are virtually no students admitted to ivy league
schools from working class families? what do you do with places like
findlay, ohio, or pittsburgh that are wiped out by corporate
abandoment?

I hate to tell you, but Ivy League schools are FULL of middle class
families.

really? care to prove it?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/op...e%20University

In 2004, Lawrence Summers, then Harvard’s president, pointed out that
three-fourths of the students at selective colleges come from the top
income quartile and only 9 percent from the bottom two quartiles
combined.


*My father, definitely working class went to Yale, myself and
my son are definitely middle class graduated from Columbia. *Since the
60's, Ivy League schools don't discriminate due to income,

except, of course, that's not what the evidence shows. your elevated
and holy opinion notwithstanding.

you seem to agree with mccain that $5M is middle class

and the
economic demographics of an Ivy League school represent the economic
demographics of America. *Ivy League schools will actually give working
and poor students academic considerations they don't give to middle
class and above students to make sure they do have a balanced class.
Sure there are many wealthy at the schools, but the middle class,
working class and below are the majority of those attending Ivy League
today. * *Starting 2 years after my son started school, all admitting
freshman whose family income was below $75,000 got a 100% scholarship.

20 years ago when I took my niece on a tour of princeton, the guide
said that only 3% of students came from working class families. seems
lawrence summers agrees.

you, of course, with your mcbush view of the world, parrot the rush
limbaugh/fox news view of the world



Your understanding of Ivy League schools is a complete as your
understanding of world economics.

golly. you're right. all i have are the facts

you have truthiness.