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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:35:53 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote: And, by doing so, volunteering for serious fines, penalties and, in some cases, jail time. Are you sure you are not related to Larry? Don't delude yourself. My wife cooks for probably *the* major food service Corporation in this country. The kitchen is full of illegals. Sometimes one goes and another comes in with the same name. This corporation is flagrantly breaking the law, and to think they don't know is plain dumb. My wife won't say anything, despite it holding down her salary, because she feels for the people she works with. I won't say the corporation name because it could be tied back to her, and I'm not on site anyway, so have no standing. But if it were me, and I needed that job, I might keep my mouth shut anyway, in fear of losing the job. I don't think this happens in union shops. --Vic |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: And, by doing so, volunteering for serious fines, penalties and, in some cases, jail time. Are you sure you are not related to Larry? Eisboch Oh, you think it otherwise, that the meat processing industries, the clothing industries, the homebuilding industries, the service industries, et cetera, are not packed with "illegals"? Where have you been? On my boat. But, I read. I agree, years ago it was easy and "safe" to hire illegals. Laws with substantial penalties have been put in place to discourage that practice however and they are enforced. Eisboch |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:35:53 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: And, by doing so, volunteering for serious fines, penalties and, in some cases, jail time. Are you sure you are not related to Larry? Don't delude yourself. My wife cooks for probably *the* major food service Corporation in this country. The kitchen is full of illegals. Sometimes one goes and another comes in with the same name. This corporation is flagrantly breaking the law, and to think they don't know is plain dumb. My wife won't say anything, despite it holding down her salary, because she feels for the people she works with. I won't say the corporation name because it could be tied back to her, and I'm not on site anyway, so have no standing. But if it were me, and I needed that job, I might keep my mouth shut anyway, in fear of losing the job. I don't think this happens in union shops. --Vic Shhhhhhhhhh. It's a corporate secret. Secret or not, it is against the law. If someone blew the whisle on the corporations violating it, they would be fined, penalized or worse. Eisboch |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:35:53 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: And, by doing so, volunteering for serious fines, penalties and, in some cases, jail time. Are you sure you are not related to Larry? Don't delude yourself. My wife cooks for probably *the* major food service Corporation in this country. The kitchen is full of illegals. Sometimes one goes and another comes in with the same name. This corporation is flagrantly breaking the law, and to think they don't know is plain dumb. My wife won't say anything, despite it holding down her salary, because she feels for the people she works with. I won't say the corporation name because it could be tied back to her, and I'm not on site anyway, so have no standing. But if it were me, and I needed that job, I might keep my mouth shut anyway, in fear of losing the job. I don't think this happens in union shops. --Vic Shhhhhhhhhh. It's a corporate secret. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: And, by doing so, volunteering for serious fines, penalties and, in some cases, jail time. Are you sure you are not related to Larry? Eisboch Oh, you think it otherwise, that the meat processing industries, the clothing industries, the homebuilding industries, the service industries, et cetera, are not packed with "illegals"? Where have you been? On my boat. But, I read. I agree, years ago it was easy and "safe" to hire illegals. Laws with substantial penalties have been put in place to discourage that practice however and they are enforced. Eisboch That's like saying the Dubya Admin properly enforces worker safety and environmental regulations. Every so often, there is a showcase raid. |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:35:53 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: And, by doing so, volunteering for serious fines, penalties and, in some cases, jail time. Are you sure you are not related to Larry? Don't delude yourself. My wife cooks for probably *the* major food service Corporation in this country. The kitchen is full of illegals. Sometimes one goes and another comes in with the same name. This corporation is flagrantly breaking the law, and to think they don't know is plain dumb. My wife won't say anything, despite it holding down her salary, because she feels for the people she works with. I won't say the corporation name because it could be tied back to her, and I'm not on site anyway, so have no standing. But if it were me, and I needed that job, I might keep my mouth shut anyway, in fear of losing the job. I don't think this happens in union shops. --Vic Shhhhhhhhhh. It's a corporate secret. Secret or not, it is against the law. If someone blew the whisle on the corporations violating it, they would be fined, penalized or worse. Eisboch Right. That's It! That'll Do It. :) You want results on this issue? Arrest, try, convict and imprison corporate officers. That's who I am talking about. They are breaking the law. Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:35:53 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: And, by doing so, volunteering for serious fines, penalties and, in some cases, jail time. Are you sure you are not related to Larry? Don't delude yourself. My wife cooks for probably *the* major food service Corporation in this country. The kitchen is full of illegals. Sometimes one goes and another comes in with the same name. This corporation is flagrantly breaking the law, and to think they don't know is plain dumb. My wife won't say anything, despite it holding down her salary, because she feels for the people she works with. I won't say the corporation name because it could be tied back to her, and I'm not on site anyway, so have no standing. But if it were me, and I needed that job, I might keep my mouth shut anyway, in fear of losing the job. I don't think this happens in union shops. --Vic Shhhhhhhhhh. It's a corporate secret. Secret or not, it is against the law. If someone blew the whisle on the corporations violating it, they would be fined, penalized or worse. Eisboch Right. That's It! That'll Do It. :) You want results on this issue? Arrest, try, convict and imprison corporate officers. That's who I am talking about. They are breaking the law. Eisboch Well, you'll have to use a cattle prod to get the Bush Admin to do that. I haven't read where the chairman and board of Wal-Mart have been arrested and charged with employing illegals. |
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"hk" wrote in message ... Well, you'll have to use a cattle prod to get the Bush Admin to do that. I haven't read where the chairman and board of Wal-Mart have been arrested and charged with employing illegals. You have inside information that Wal-Mart hires illegals? Eisboch |
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:55:36 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:35:53 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: And, by doing so, volunteering for serious fines, penalties and, in some cases, jail time. Are you sure you are not related to Larry? Don't delude yourself. My wife cooks for probably *the* major food service Corporation in this country. The kitchen is full of illegals. Sometimes one goes and another comes in with the same name. This corporation is flagrantly breaking the law, and to think they don't know is plain dumb. My wife won't say anything, despite it holding down her salary, because she feels for the people she works with. I won't say the corporation name because it could be tied back to her, and I'm not on site anyway, so have no standing. But if it were me, and I needed that job, I might keep my mouth shut anyway, in fear of losing the job. I don't think this happens in union shops. --Vic Shhhhhhhhhh. It's a corporate secret. Secret or not, it is against the law. If someone blew the whisle on the corporations violating it, they would be fined, penalized or worse. Eisboch Right. That's It! That'll Do It. :) You want results on this issue? Arrest, try, convict and imprison corporate officers. That's who I am talking about. They are breaking the law. Eisboch Isn't agreement loverly? -- ** Good Day! ** John H |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message ... Well, you'll have to use a cattle prod to get the Bush Admin to do that. I haven't read where the chairman and board of Wal-Mart have been arrested and charged with employing illegals. You have inside information that Wal-Mart hires illegals? Eisboch You probably should add the word *knowingly*. Standby for cites from the *right* side. |
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"hk" wrote in message ... Well, you'll have to use a cattle prod to get the Bush Admin to do that. I haven't read where the chairman and board of Wal-Mart have been arrested and charged with employing illegals. You have inside information that Wal-Mart hires illegals? Eisboch Nope. Outside info: Wal-Mart Settles Illegal Immigrant Case for $11M Saturday , March 19, 2005 FC1 ADVERTISEMENT Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT), the world's largest retailer, escaped criminal charges when it agreed to pay $11 million, a record fine in a civil immigration case, to end a federal probe into its use of illegal immigrants as janitors. Additionally, 12 businesses that provided contract janitor services to Wal-Mart will pay $4 million in fines and plead guilty to criminal immigration charges, officials said. Wal-Mart's shares edged down 73 cents, or 1.4 percent, to $51.60 on the New York Stock Exchange (search). The deal resolves a more than four-year-long Department of Justice (search) investigation into the employment practices of the company's former floor-cleaning contractors. "This case breaks new ground not only because this is a record dollar amount for a civil immigration settlement, but because this settlement requires Wal-Mart to create an internal program to ensure future compliance with immigration laws by Wal-Mart contractors and by Wal-Mart itself," said Michael J. Garcia, assistant secretary for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (search). "We plan to use this settlement as a model for future cases and efforts in worksite enforcement," he said. Wal-Mart received a target letter from a grand jury in Pennsylvania and was the subject of an October 2003 raid spanning 21 states and 60 stores. The raids led to the arrest of 245 allegedly illegal immigrants. Wal-Mart, which has 1.2 million domestic workers, had pledged its cooperation in the investigation. "We are satisfied that this is being settled as a civil matter," Wal-Mart spokeswoman Mona Williams said. "Despite a long, thorough and high-profile investigation, the government has not charged anyone at Wal-Mart with wrongdoing." No longer does Wal-Mart employ outside contractors to clean its floors. Companies that do contract work for other chores will have stricter rules to follow to win those contracts, and upper management will have to approve contracts of more than $10,000, Williams said. "It is a lot of money, but I think that is because it is designed to get attention and remind businesses everywhere that they have a duty to ensure their outside contractors are following federal immigration laws." In two separate investigations, authorities uncovered the cases of an estimated 345 illegal immigrants contracted as janitors at Wal-Mart stores. Many of the workers worked seven days or nights a week without overtime pay or injury compensation, attorneys said. Those who worked nights were often locked in the store until the morning. Wal-Mart Stores, based in Bentonville, Ark., had sales last year of $288.19 billion. In 2001, authorities arrested an estimated 100 illegal immigrants at Wal-Mart stores in Pennsylvania, New York, Ohio and Missouri. Last year, on Oct. 23, federal agents raided 60 Wal-Mart stores in 21 states, netting 245 immigrants who were placed in deportation proceedings. ICE said the workers came from 18 different nations, including 90 from Mexico, 35 from the Czech Republic, 22 from Mongolia and 20 from Brazil. Officials said at the time of the raids the investigation involved wiretaps that revealed Wal-Mart executives were aware that the subcontractors used illegal workers. Once the raid began, Wal-Mart told its executives to preserve documents. Federal agents didn't wait and moved in on part of the company's Bentonville headquarters, taking boxes from the office of a midlevel executive. An employer can face civil and criminal penalties for knowingly hiring illegal immigrants or failing to comply with certain employee record-keeping regulations. But the settlement spared Wal-Mart of any criminal charges, though it still faces a civil suit on behalf of the immigrants that is pending in New Jersey. The federal settlement also directs Wal-Mart to train all current and future store managers to prevent employing, hiring or recruiting illegal immigrants, and to comply with ongoing investigations of cleaning contractors previously used by the company. Reuters and the Associated Press contributed to this report. - - - |
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"hk" wrote in message ... Well, you'll have to use a cattle prod to get the Bush Admin to do that. I haven't read where the chairman and board of Wal-Mart have been arrested and charged with employing illegals. You have inside information that Wal-Mart hires illegals? Eisboch Outside information. In some of the cases, Wal-Mart claimed its contractors hired the illegals, and it didn't know. That claim was b.s. of course. This case is a few years old. I didn't bother to probe google too deeply: Feds: Wal-Mart Knew About Illegals LITTLE ROCK, Ark., Oct. 24, 2003(CBS/AP) Wal-Mart had direct knowledge of immigration violations involving its cleaning contractors at stores across the country, federal law enforcement sources said. Federal agents raided Wal-Mart's headquarters and 60 of its stores across the nation Thursday, arresting more than 300 illegal workers in an immigration crackdown at the world's biggest retailer. CBS News Correspondent Bob McNamara reports that federal agents borrowed Wal-Mart's price-cutting slogan "Operation Rollback" as the working title for the sting. Law enforcement sources said the investigation grew out of earlier probes of Wal-Mart cleaning crew contractors in 1998 and 2001. Federal agents tell CBS News that two cleaning contractors are under investigation and that undercover surveillance shows Wal-Mart executives and store managers knew illegal immigrants were cleaning stores. A number of Eastern Europeans are among the suspected illegals rounded up, McNamara reports. "We have seen no evidence of this from the INS, and, if that turns out to be true, we will cooperate fully with law enforcement officials," Wal-Mart spokeswoman Mona Williams said. The workers were arrested as they finished their night shifts at Wal-Mart stores in 21 states. Agents also hauled away several boxes of documents from an executive's office at Wal-Mart headquarters in Bentonville. An employer can face civil and criminal penalties for knowingly hiring illegal immigrants or failing to comply with certain employee recordkeeping regulations. Wal-Mart Stores had sales last year of $244.5 billion. The company has about 1.1 million employees in the United States, and it uses more than 100 third-party contractors to clean more than 700 stores nationwide, Williams said. "We require each of these contractors to use only legal workers," she said. All the arrested workers were in the country illegally, said Garrison Courtney, a spokesman with Immigration and Customs Enforcement. They were detained at local immigration offices. Those who had no criminal record were released with instructions to appear before immigration judges. Wal-Mart is not the first big company to be targeted in an immigration investigation. Six managers at Tyson Foods, based one town away from Wal-Mart in Springdale, were charged in an immigrant-smuggling case in 2001. One defendant shot himself to death a few months after being charged, and two managers entered guilty pleas early in the case. A jury acquitted the poultry company and three other managers. Ulysses A. Yannas, an analyst with the investment firm Buckman, Buckman and Reid, said it is too much to expect Wal-Mart to keep track of all of its vendors' workers. But he said the investigation could present a problem for the company. "It is a question of what else it might bring out. These are long, drawn-out processes," Yannas said. Top Wal-Mart officials learned of Thursday's sweep when store managers began calling headquarters for guidance in dealing with the raids. Courtney said agents searched the office of one of Wal-Mart's executives. Williams, the spokeswoman, said they spent several hours in the office of a "mid-level manager" at Wal-Mart's headquarters and carried away several boxes of paperwork. She said she did not know if any other Wal-Mart administrative offices were searched. The arrests were made at stores in Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Connecticut, Delaware, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Maryland, Michigan, North Carolina, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia and West Virginia. - - - Sadly no Wal-Mart execs were arrested. |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message ... Well, you'll have to use a cattle prod to get the Bush Admin to do that. I haven't read where the chairman and board of Wal-Mart have been arrested and charged with employing illegals. You have inside information that Wal-Mart hires illegals? Eisboch Outside information. In some of the cases, Wal-Mart claimed its contractors hired the illegals, and it didn't know. That claim was b.s. of course. This case is a few years old. I didn't bother to probe google too deeply: Feds: Wal-Mart Knew About Illegals LITTLE ROCK, Ark., Oct. 24, 2003(CBS/AP) Wal-Mart had direct knowledge of immigration violations involving its cleaning contractors at stores across the country, federal law enforcement sources said. Federal agents raided Wal-Mart's headquarters and 60 of its stores across the nation Thursday, arresting more than 300 illegal workers in an immigration crackdown at the world's biggest retailer. CBS News Correspondent Bob McNamara reports that federal agents borrowed Wal-Mart's price-cutting slogan "Operation Rollback" as the working title for the sting. Law enforcement sources said the investigation grew out of earlier probes of Wal-Mart cleaning crew contractors in 1998 and 2001. Federal agents tell CBS News that two cleaning contractors are under investigation and that undercover surveillance shows Wal-Mart executives and store managers knew illegal immigrants were cleaning stores. A number of Eastern Europeans are among the suspected illegals rounded up, McNamara reports. "We have seen no evidence of this from the INS, and, if that turns out to be true, we will cooperate fully with law enforcement officials," Wal-Mart spokeswoman Mona Williams said. The workers were arrested as they finished their night shifts at Wal-Mart stores in 21 states. Agents also hauled away several boxes of documents from an executive's office at Wal-Mart headquarters in Bentonville. An employer can face civil and criminal penalties for knowingly hiring illegal immigrants or failing to comply with certain employee recordkeeping regulations. Wal-Mart Stores had sales last year of $244.5 billion. The company has about 1.1 million employees in the United States, and it uses more than 100 third-party contractors to clean more than 700 stores nationwide, Williams said. "We require each of these contractors to use only legal workers," she said. All the arrested workers were in the country illegally, said Garrison Courtney, a spokesman with Immigration and Customs Enforcement. They were detained at local immigration offices. Those who had no criminal record were released with instructions to appear before immigration judges. Wal-Mart is not the first big company to be targeted in an immigration investigation. Six managers at Tyson Foods, based one town away from Wal-Mart in Springdale, were charged in an immigrant-smuggling case in 2001. One defendant shot himself to death a few months after being charged, and two managers entered guilty pleas early in the case. A jury acquitted the poultry company and three other managers. Ulysses A. Yannas, an analyst with the investment firm Buckman, Buckman and Reid, said it is too much to expect Wal-Mart to keep track of all of its vendors' workers. But he said the investigation could present a problem for the company. "It is a question of what else it might bring out. These are long, drawn-out processes," Yannas said. Top Wal-Mart officials learned of Thursday's sweep when store managers began calling headquarters for guidance in dealing with the raids. Courtney said agents searched the office of one of Wal-Mart's executives. Williams, the spokeswoman, said they spent several hours in the office of a "mid-level manager" at Wal-Mart's headquarters and carried away several boxes of paperwork. She said she did not know if any other Wal-Mart administrative offices were searched. The arrests were made at stores in Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Connecticut, Delaware, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Maryland, Michigan, North Carolina, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia and West Virginia. - - - Sadly no Wal-Mart execs were arrested. They were caught and the company was punished as they should have been. What cattle prod was used on the Administration to accomplish this? Does the law allow for charging management individuals in this type of case? |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. Outside information. In some of the cases, Wal-Mart claimed its contractors hired the illegals, and it didn't know. That claim was b.s. of course. See? Enforcing the law works. Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Outside information. In some of the cases, Wal-Mart claimed its contractors hired the illegals, and it didn't know. That claim was b.s. of course. See? Enforcing the law works. Eisboch What the hell does wal-mart care about a bitty fine? The CEO and other officers should have gotten jail time. A year and a day. |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Outside information. In some of the cases, Wal-Mart claimed its contractors hired the illegals, and it didn't know. That claim was b.s. of course. See? Enforcing the law works. Eisboch What the hell does wal-mart care about a bitty fine? The CEO and other officers should have gotten jail time. A year and a day. Are there provisions in the law for jail time? |
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Don White wrote: "TJ" wrote in message ... snip.... You know, if Harry is a lobsterman, you'd think he'd appreciate rich people more than he does. He depends on them, whether he knows it or not. Poor people can't afford lobster. I know I can't. TJ Lobsterman?? You've been wasting too much time listening to the Dwarfs. I'm a lobster eater. My mistake, I guess. "herring" said: In any case, you shouldn't argue with Harry. Get him to take you on his lobster boat instead. and not having been here long, I assumed it to be accurate. Live and learn... TJ |
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hk wrote: Don White wrote: "TJ" wrote in message ... snip.... You know, if Harry is a lobsterman, you'd think he'd appreciate rich people more than he does. He depends on them, whether he knows it or not. Poor people can't afford lobster. I know I can't. TJ Lobsterman?? You've been wasting too much time listening to the Dwarfs. I'm a lobster eater. My mistake, I guess. "herring" said: In any case, you shouldn't argue with Harry. Get him to take you on his lobster boat instead. and not having been here long, I assumed it to be accurate. Live and learn... TJ Nothing Herring says is accurate. |
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:20:19 -0400, TJ wrote:
wrote: Where in upstate NY are you? Onondaga County. Syracuse area. I don't think narrowing it down any closer than that on Usenet is a good idea. You don't know who might be lurking about... TJ You're quite right. Some folks maintain databases with information gleaned over the years. I did a lot of growing up on my grandfather's farm in Minnesota. I can appreciate your comments about the weather and its impact. Good luck with it. |
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"John H." salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote in message ... snip... I did a lot of growing up on my grandfather's farm in Minnesota. I can appreciate your comments about the weather and its impact. Good luck with it. Wish you'd grow up a bit here. |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "hk" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: And, by doing so, volunteering for serious fines, penalties and, in some cases, jail time. Are you sure you are not related to Larry? Eisboch Oh, you think it otherwise, that the meat processing industries, the clothing industries, the homebuilding industries, the service industries, et cetera, are not packed with "illegals"? Where have you been? On my boat. But, I read. I agree, years ago it was easy and "safe" to hire illegals. Laws with substantial penalties have been put in place to discourage that practice however and they are enforced. Eisboch The immigrants work! The local people either want lots for nothing, have not learned of competition in jobs. a few years ago, I ordered up 4 worked from the Calif. EDD to clean up the in-laws house for sale. Haul debris to a large dumpster. Paying $2 more than minimum wage. No one shows up. Should have complained to the EDD later, but me bad. Went down to the day labor pool. All Hispanics. One legal 60 year old, and 2 illegal from El Salvador. As we are leaving the area in Berkeley, Cal there is an about 20 year old white kid, with a homeless, begging sign. Only statement made was by the 60 year old MX guy. "Just lazy! Damn lazy." Most of the carpenters are Hispanic. Legal by and large. as they work hard, and get paid union wages as required by the state. |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message ... Well, you'll have to use a cattle prod to get the Bush Admin to do that. I haven't read where the chairman and board of Wal-Mart have been arrested and charged with employing illegals. You have inside information that Wal-Mart hires illegals? Eisboch Nope. Outside info: Wal-Mart Settles Illegal Immigrant Case for $11M Saturday , March 19, 2005 FC1 ADVERTISEMENT Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT), the world's largest retailer, escaped criminal charges when it agreed to pay $11 million, a record fine in a civil immigration case, to end a federal probe into its use of illegal immigrants as janitors. Additionally, 12 businesses that provided contract janitor services to Wal-Mart will pay $4 million in fines and plead guilty to criminal immigration charges, officials said. Wal-Mart's shares edged down 73 cents, or 1.4 percent, to $51.60 on the New York Stock Exchange (search). The deal resolves a more than four-year-long Department of Justice (search) investigation into the employment practices of the company's former floor-cleaning contractors. "This case breaks new ground not only because this is a record dollar amount for a civil immigration settlement, but because this settlement requires Wal-Mart to create an internal program to ensure future compliance with immigration laws by Wal-Mart contractors and by Wal-Mart itself," said Michael J. Garcia, assistant secretary for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (search). "We plan to use this settlement as a model for future cases and efforts in worksite enforcement," he said. Wal-Mart received a target letter from a grand jury in Pennsylvania and was the subject of an October 2003 raid spanning 21 states and 60 stores. The raids led to the arrest of 245 allegedly illegal immigrants. Wal-Mart, which has 1.2 million domestic workers, had pledged its cooperation in the investigation. "We are satisfied that this is being settled as a civil matter," Wal-Mart spokeswoman Mona Williams said. "Despite a long, thorough and high-profile investigation, the government has not charged anyone at Wal-Mart with wrongdoing." No longer does Wal-Mart employ outside contractors to clean its floors. Companies that do contract work for other chores will have stricter rules to follow to win those contracts, and upper management will have to approve contracts of more than $10,000, Williams said. "It is a lot of money, but I think that is because it is designed to get attention and remind businesses everywhere that they have a duty to ensure their outside contractors are following federal immigration laws." In two separate investigations, authorities uncovered the cases of an estimated 345 illegal immigrants contracted as janitors at Wal-Mart stores. Many of the workers worked seven days or nights a week without overtime pay or injury compensation, attorneys said. Those who worked nights were often locked in the store until the morning. Wal-Mart Stores, based in Bentonville, Ark., had sales last year of $288.19 billion. In 2001, authorities arrested an estimated 100 illegal immigrants at Wal-Mart stores in Pennsylvania, New York, Ohio and Missouri. Last year, on Oct. 23, federal agents raided 60 Wal-Mart stores in 21 states, netting 245 immigrants who were placed in deportation proceedings. ICE said the workers came from 18 different nations, including 90 from Mexico, 35 from the Czech Republic, 22 from Mongolia and 20 from Brazil. Officials said at the time of the raids the investigation involved wiretaps that revealed Wal-Mart executives were aware that the subcontractors used illegal workers. Once the raid began, Wal-Mart told its executives to preserve documents. Federal agents didn't wait and moved in on part of the company's Bentonville headquarters, taking boxes from the office of a midlevel executive. An employer can face civil and criminal penalties for knowingly hiring illegal immigrants or failing to comply with certain employee record-keeping regulations. But the settlement spared Wal-Mart of any criminal charges, though it still faces a civil suit on behalf of the immigrants that is pending in New Jersey. The federal settlement also directs Wal-Mart to train all current and future store managers to prevent employing, hiring or recruiting illegal immigrants, and to comply with ongoing investigations of cleaning contractors previously used by the company. Reuters and the Associated Press contributed to this report. - - - Did not see anywhere in the story where Wal-mart hired the illegals. |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Outside information. In some of the cases, Wal-Mart claimed its contractors hired the illegals, and it didn't know. That claim was b.s. of course. See? Enforcing the law works. Eisboch What the hell does wal-mart care about a bitty fine? The CEO and other officers should have gotten jail time. A year and a day. Sort of like insider union traders should have got jail time? Sort of like the other union pension fund abusers got jail time? Sort of like the PR person for an organization knowing about illegal activities and saying nothing got jail time? |
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:00:31 -0400, Eisboch wrote:
But, I read. I agree, years ago it was easy and "safe" to hire illegals. Laws with substantial penalties have been put in place to discourage that practice however and they are enforced. Eisboch Perhaps in your business, but in many sectors, construction for instance, there is a large "underground" economy. Not only are illegals hired, but many citizens are paid under the table. Estimates of illegal immigrants are 10-15 million. They are coming here to make a living. Somebody is hiring them. |
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wrote in message t... On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:00:31 -0400, Eisboch wrote: But, I read. I agree, years ago it was easy and "safe" to hire illegals. Laws with substantial penalties have been put in place to discourage that practice however and they are enforced. Eisboch Perhaps in your business, but in many sectors, construction for instance, there is a large "underground" economy. Not only are illegals hired, but many citizens are paid under the table. Estimates of illegal immigrants are 10-15 million. They are coming here to make a living. Somebody is hiring them. I realize that and have witnessed it. But, they are not typically "corporations". They are often small time construction or landscaper type businesses that simply don't show up on the radar screen. Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message t... On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:00:31 -0400, Eisboch wrote: But, I read. I agree, years ago it was easy and "safe" to hire illegals. Laws with substantial penalties have been put in place to discourage that practice however and they are enforced. Eisboch Perhaps in your business, but in many sectors, construction for instance, there is a large "underground" economy. Not only are illegals hired, but many citizens are paid under the table. Estimates of illegal immigrants are 10-15 million. They are coming here to make a living. Somebody is hiring them. I realize that and have witnessed it. But, they are not typically "corporations". They are often small time construction or landscaper type businesses that simply don't show up on the radar screen. Eisboch You're not looking around enough. Seriously. |
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On Aug 20, 8:20*pm, TJ wrote:
wrote: Where in upstate NY are you? Onondaga County. Syracuse area. I don't think narrowing it down any closer than that on Usenet is a good idea. You don't know who might be lurking about... TJ No, you are correct there! I'm from the general area. Kite me an email, we'll talk! |
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On Aug 20, 8:21*pm, hk wrote:
TJ wrote: hk wrote: Don White wrote: "TJ" wrote in message .. . snip.... You know, if Harry is a lobsterman, you'd think he'd appreciate rich people more than he does. He depends on them, whether he knows it or not. Poor people can't afford lobster. I know I can't. TJ Lobsterman?? You've been wasting too much time listening to the Dwarfs. I'm a lobster eater. My mistake, I guess. "herring" said: In any case, you shouldn't argue with Harry. Get him to take you on his lobster boat instead. and not having been here long, I assumed it to be accurate. Live and learn... TJ Nothing Herring says is accurate.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What????? Youi've never claimed to own a 36' Zimmerman like lobster boat?? |
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:10:32 -0400, Eisboch wrote:
Perhaps in your business, but in many sectors, construction for instance, there is a large "underground" economy. Not only are illegals hired, but many citizens are paid under the table. Estimates of illegal immigrants are 10-15 million. They are coming here to make a living. Somebody is hiring them. I realize that and have witnessed it. But, they are not typically "corporations". They are often small time construction or landscaper type businesses that simply don't show up on the radar screen. Eisboch OK, now we are on the same page. I would agree larger corporations would be foolhardy to actively employ illegals. I suspect it is done peripherally as in the Walmart case, but rarely outright. I would also add, the illegal business is becoming quite a business. Forged documents, stolen Social Security cards, etc. can make it difficult to tell who is illegal. Many companies will accept bogus IDs with a wink and a nod, but then others, trying to be legal, can be fooled. |
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"hk" wrote in message ... wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:10:32 -0400, Eisboch wrote: I realize that and have witnessed it. But, they are not typically "corporations". They are often small time construction or landscaper type businesses that simply don't show up on the radar screen. Eisboch OK, now we are on the same page. I would agree larger corporations would be foolhardy to actively employ illegals. I suspect it is done peripherally as in the Walmart case, but rarely outright. I would also add, the illegal business is becoming quite a business. Forged documents, stolen Social Security cards, etc. can make it difficult to tell who is illegal. Many companies will accept bogus IDs with a wink and a nod, but then others, trying to be legal, can be fooled. Many large corporations, like wal-mart, hire contractors to get around the law. Good grief Harry, you are going to wear out your anti-big corporation drum. That's *not* the problem. Eisboch |
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On Aug 21, 9:08*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message ... wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:10:32 -0400, Eisboch wrote: I realize that and have witnessed it. * But, they are not typically "corporations". *They are often small time construction or landscaper type businesses that simply don't show up on the radar screen. Eisboch OK, now we are on the same page. *I would agree larger corporations would be foolhardy to actively employ illegals. *I suspect it is done peripherally as in the Walmart case, but rarely outright. *I would also add, the illegal business is becoming quite a business. *Forged documents, stolen Social Security cards, etc. can make it difficult to tell who is illegal. *Many companies will accept bogus IDs with a wink and a nod, but then others, trying to be legal, can be fooled. Many large corporations, like wal-mart, hire contractors to get around the law. Good grief Harry, you are going to wear out your anti-big corporation drum. That's *not* the problem. Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Big corp is fine with wafa, as long as everyone is paying those weekly union dues.. That's what unions do. They typically slow down the work force so they can hire more dues payers.. Remember, every union member means money, that is the only way unions make money. .Bodies, moving or otherwise.. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message ... wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:10:32 -0400, Eisboch wrote: I realize that and have witnessed it. But, they are not typically "corporations". They are often small time construction or landscaper type businesses that simply don't show up on the radar screen. Eisboch OK, now we are on the same page. I would agree larger corporations would be foolhardy to actively employ illegals. I suspect it is done peripherally as in the Walmart case, but rarely outright. I would also add, the illegal business is becoming quite a business. Forged documents, stolen Social Security cards, etc. can make it difficult to tell who is illegal. Many companies will accept bogus IDs with a wink and a nod, but then others, trying to be legal, can be fooled. Many large corporations, like wal-mart, hire contractors to get around the law. Good grief Harry, you are going to wear out your anti-big corporation drum. That's *not* the problem. Eisboch I think I am a bit closer to the labor force than you are. There are corporations all over this country who use contractors to get around immigration law and wage-hour law. |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. I think I am a bit closer to the labor force than you are. Union labor force maybe. Small business employees ..... no way. Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message . .. I think I am a bit closer to the labor force than you are. Union labor force maybe. Small business employees ..... no way. Eisboch I doubt it. I frequently go out on organizing calls with union reps, and the companies and employees we visit are not members of unions. |
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On Aug 21, 11:09*am, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message ... I think I am a bit closer to the labor force than you are. Union labor force maybe. Small business employees ..... no way. Eisboch I doubt it. I frequently go out on organizing calls with union reps, and the companies and employees we visit are not members of unions. Must be tagging along with your wife again. |
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On Aug 21, 11:09*am, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message ... I think I am a bit closer to the labor force than you are. Union labor force maybe. Small business employees ..... no way. Eisboch I doubt it. I frequently go out on organizing calls with union reps, and the companies and employees we visit are not members of unions. Yeah, and all those small business owners are of course willing to be open with you and your well dressed thugs who want to suck off of their hard work and destroy the trust they have built with their employees over the years.... LOL.. |
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