Good Morning Harry Krause
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..


You are overestimating his involvement in that venture.


Jeeze, you are scary Harry. Not only do you pass judgment on people's
activities, hobbies, interests, boat preferences, construction techniques,
pets, kids, religious beliefs, music preferences, and activities in
charities or volunteer work, but you also have something to say about how
much time they should invest in them.

I am certainly thankful you never ran for political office.

Eisboch

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:31:32 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

Now, if I'd been
a Marine or a Sailor, then I'd be thinking 'payback' time

Pfft...just being a Marine is payment enough.

Now Squids - well, they should be paying us to serve. :)


You're just jealous because the IQ requirements for the Navy are so much
higher.

Eisboch

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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:15:41 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


No they are not. The Norwegians are using their oil wealth to pay for
a social welfare system.
When demand for oil begins to ease, they will need to sell many more
cans of sardines to maintain their social utopia.

Eisboch

It may not be enough, but Norway has used it's oil wealth more
intelligently than most.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl....w-OS-main-31/
BNStory/oilsands


By the way, Norway's oil production has peaked.

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:57:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:31:32 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

Now, if I'd been
a Marine or a Sailor, then I'd be thinking 'payback' time

Pfft...just being a Marine is payment enough.

Now Squids - well, they should be paying us to serve. :)

You're just jealous because the IQ requirements for the Navy are so much
higher.

ROTFL!!!

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wrote in message
t...
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:15:41 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


No they are not. The Norwegians are using their oil wealth to pay for
a social welfare system.
When demand for oil begins to ease, they will need to sell many more
cans of sardines to maintain their social utopia.

Eisboch

It may not be enough, but Norway has used it's oil wealth more
intelligently than most.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl....w-OS-main-31/
BNStory/oilsands


By the way, Norway's oil production has peaked.



Absolutely true, and they have a tremendous cash surplus. They have taken
advantage of the age of oil.

My point is that when that revenue stream erodes and the cash is used .....
what then?
This may sound harsh or crude, but it's much more difficult for all
concerned to take welfare benefits away from people than it is to have never
made them available to begin with. The Social Security program in the US
is a good example. Over the years it has become a political hot button as
changes are made, benefits are reduced or restricted (by age) in attempts to
keep it solvent.

Eisboch

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wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:15:41 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


No they are not. The Norwegians are using their oil wealth to pay for
a social welfare system.
When demand for oil begins to ease, they will need to sell many more
cans of sardines to maintain their social utopia.

Eisboch

It may not be enough, but Norway has used it's oil wealth more
intelligently than most.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl....w-OS-main-31/
BNStory/oilsands


By the way, Norway's oil production has peaked.


Yeah, the awful Norwegians are using their wealth to better the lives of
their people. In this country, we squander our resources to make the
rich richer. Impressive.

--
I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do
something. And because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do
the something that I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I
should do, by the grace of God, I will do.

— Edward Everett Hale (1822-1909)

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Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
t...
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:15:41 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


No they are not. The Norwegians are using their oil wealth to pay for
a social welfare system.
When demand for oil begins to ease, they will need to sell many more
cans of sardines to maintain their social utopia.

Eisboch
It may not be enough, but Norway has used it's oil wealth more
intelligently than most.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl....w-OS-main-31/
BNStory/oilsands


By the way, Norway's oil production has peaked.



Absolutely true, and they have a tremendous cash surplus. They have taken
advantage of the age of oil.

My point is that when that revenue stream erodes and the cash is used .....
what then?
This may sound harsh or crude, but it's much more difficult for all
concerned to take welfare benefits away from people than it is to have never
made them available to begin with. The Social Security program in the US
is a good example. Over the years it has become a political hot button as
changes are made, benefits are reduced or restricted (by age) in attempts to
keep it solvent.

Eisboch






Easy solution...take the earnings cap off Social Security, and apply the
tax to *total* income, no matter its source, and double or treble the
rates for income over a certain very high level, including "deferred"
income.


--
I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do
something. And because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do
the something that I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I
should do, by the grace of God, I will do.

— Edward Everett Hale (1822-1909)

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"hk" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:15:41 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


No they are not. The Norwegians are using their oil wealth to pay for
a social welfare system.
When demand for oil begins to ease, they will need to sell many more
cans of sardines to maintain their social utopia.

Eisboch

It may not be enough, but Norway has used it's oil wealth more
intelligently than most.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl....w-OS-main-31/
BNStory/oilsands


By the way, Norway's oil production has peaked.


Yeah, the awful Norwegians are using their wealth to better the lives of
their people. In this country, we squander our resources to make the rich
richer. Impressive.

--
I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do
something. And because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do the
something that I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I should do,
by the grace of God, I will do.

- Edward Everett Hale (1822-1909)


Making the rich richer...

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/lo...cle1881847.ece


It's a lot easier to *care* for 4.5M than 300M people.

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D.Duck wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:15:41 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


No they are not. The Norwegians are using their oil wealth to pay for
a social welfare system.
When demand for oil begins to ease, they will need to sell many more
cans of sardines to maintain their social utopia.

Eisboch
It may not be enough, but Norway has used it's oil wealth more
intelligently than most.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl....w-OS-main-31/
BNStory/oilsands


By the way, Norway's oil production has peaked.

Yeah, the awful Norwegians are using their wealth to better the lives of
their people. In this country, we squander our resources to make the rich
richer. Impressive.

--
I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do
something. And because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do the
something that I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I should do,
by the grace of God, I will do.

- Edward Everett Hale (1822-1909)


Making the rich richer...

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/lo...cle1881847.ece


It's a lot easier to *care* for 4.5M than 300M people.




IF your point is that the Norwegian economy creates millionaires AND
takes care of the health care and other important needs of the Norwegian
people, too, then I have no argument.

In this country, it seems, just the needs of the rich are considered
really important.



--
I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do
something. And because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do
the something that I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I
should do, by the grace of God, I will do.

— Edward Everett Hale (1822-1909)

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:15:37 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Aug 18, 10:22 am, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
There's something about Herring's sort of aimless hobby-filled
retirement -a type of retirement apparently shared by several posters
here- that would drive me batty. Not having anything to do but engage in
self-indulgent hobbies...seems mindless to me. I don't even like
"vacations" that last more than a week.
You may feel better if and when you ever get a sense of accomplishment or
satisfaction of your efforts in life.
Meanwhile, keep trying.
Eisboch
That's not it at all. It's the utter mindlessness and laziness of it
that I don't like, as in, "Oh...it's Thursday...it's golf day," instead
of, "Oh...it's Thursday...it's my day to cook meals for the needy down
at the shelter," or tutor some kids, or something like that. Not that
retirees should spend every day helping others, but, if they are
physically able and reasonably well off, I think at least a couple of
days a week devoted to helping those who most need it is the mark of
someone who is not entirely self-indulgent.

My wife asked me this past weekend if I ever intended to "retire." My
answer: "Why would I want to do *that*?"
Well, Field Marshal Herring has been helping care of Belorussian kids
for the past 4 years.
I think that's a lot to his credit.

Did I get promoted?

My first Belarussian kid will graduate from high school this coming year.
Then he's off to St. Petersburg University in Russia.

I consider the ten years I spent teaching 8th graders sufficient 'payback',
as if any was needed for almost thirty years in the Army. Now, if I'd been
a Marine or a Sailor, then I'd be thinking 'payback' time!

I'm thinking Harry has his wife convinced that all the time he spends in
rec.boats is 'work time'.

Gotta go. Today is 'golf day' at Bristow Manor Golf Course!
--
** Good Day! **

John H

From what I can tell Harry's wife is intelligent. She knows Harry
doesn't do anything but putz in rec.boats.

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:31:32 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

Now, if I'd been
a Marine or a Sailor, then I'd be thinking 'payback' time
Pfft...just being a Marine is payment enough.

Now Squids - well, they should be paying us to serve. :)


You're just jealous because the IQ requirements for the Navy are so much
higher.

Eisboch



Than what?

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"hk" wrote in message
...

D.Duck wrote:


Making the rich richer...

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/lo...cle1881847.ece


It's a lot easier to *care* for 4.5M than 300M people.



IF your point is that the Norwegian economy creates millionaires AND takes
care of the health care and other important needs of the Norwegian people,
too, then I have no argument.

In this country, it seems, just the needs of the rich are considered
really important.


If you read the Duck's link, you would note that Norway's wealth and
economic strength has developed mostly since 1969 .... right after the
discovery of huge, offshore oil reserves.


Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...

D.Duck wrote:

Making the rich richer...

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/lo...cle1881847.ece


It's a lot easier to *care* for 4.5M than 300M people.



IF your point is that the Norwegian economy creates millionaires AND takes
care of the health care and other important needs of the Norwegian people,
too, then I have no argument.

In this country, it seems, just the needs of the rich are considered
really important.


If you read the Duck's link, you would note that Norway's wealth and
economic strength has developed mostly since 1969 .... right after the
discovery of huge, offshore oil reserves.


Eisboch




So what? The point is, the Norwegians are using their national wealth
properly, to ensure that all Norwegians have the necessities and a
strong social net to help out when they need help.

In this country, our national wealth is used to make the wealthy wealthier.

We're sliding downhill in this country. A growing number of Americans,
millions of Americans, are losing their jobs, their health care, their
houses, their retirement, their futures.

But the rich...they are getting richer.

I won't be around to see it, but at some point in the future, there will
be heads on pikes in this country, literally or figuratively.




--
I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do
something. And because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do
the something that I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I
should do, by the grace of God, I will do.

— Edward Everett Hale (1822-1909)

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hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...

D.Duck wrote:

Making the rich richer...

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/lo...cle1881847.ece


It's a lot easier to *care* for 4.5M than 300M people.



IF your point is that the Norwegian economy creates millionaires AND
takes care of the health care and other important needs of the
Norwegian people, too, then I have no argument.

In this country, it seems, just the needs of the rich are considered
really important.


If you read the Duck's link, you would note that Norway's wealth and
economic strength has developed mostly since 1969 .... right after the
discovery of huge, offshore oil reserves.


Eisboch




So what? The point is, the Norwegians are using their national wealth
properly, to ensure that all Norwegians have the necessities and a
strong social net to help out when they need help.

This is your opinion and your opinion only. The many Norwegians I know
have all left Norway for jobs and careers outside of the country. Their
dreams and aspirations could not be satisfied within the current rigid
structured society that Norway has become.

In this country, our national wealth is used to make the wealthy wealthier.

I agree that a job as mayor, governor, and legislator has turned into a
way to redirect the tax payers money, which is set aside for the public
good, into the coffers of your friends and your own bank accounts.

We're sliding downhill in this country. A growing number of Americans,
millions of Americans, are losing their jobs, their health care, their
houses, their retirement, their futures.

Greedy *******s all. From the guy turning a screw on the manufacturing
floor to the CEO who employs 250,000.

But the rich...they are getting richer.

Everyone in the USA is rich compared to the standard of living of the
rest of the world.

I won't be around to see it, but at some point in the future, there will
be heads on pikes in this country, literally or figuratively.

Civilizations come and civilizations go, what makes you think any of
them will survive in perpetuity?

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"BAR" wrote in message
...

hk wrote:



So what? The point is, the Norwegians are using their national wealth
properly, to ensure that all Norwegians have the necessities and a strong
social net to help out when they need help.



This is your opinion and your opinion only. The many Norwegians I know
have all left Norway for jobs and careers outside of the country. Their
dreams and aspirations could not be satisfied within the current rigid
structured society that Norway has become.



http://www.borealforest.org/world/ma...ay_lemming.htm

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...

hk wrote:

So what? The point is, the Norwegians are using their national wealth
properly, to ensure that all Norwegians have the necessities and a strong
social net to help out when they need help.


This is your opinion and your opinion only. The many Norwegians I know
have all left Norway for jobs and careers outside of the country. Their
dreams and aspirations could not be satisfied within the current rigid
structured society that Norway has become.



http://www.borealforest.org/world/ma...ay_lemming.htm

Eisboch




Wow...Bert still posts here, and is still advocating for greed. What a
surprise.

Until you had reposted his post, Richard, I thought he had disappeared
entirely.

Good filtering... :)





--
I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do
something. And because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do
the something that I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I
should do, by the grace of God, I will do.

— Edward Everett Hale (1822-1909)

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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:44:28 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:



It's a lot easier to *care* for 4.5M than 300M people.

You do know that every "first world" country in the world except the
U.S.has universal health care, don't you?
No sense dwelling on 4.5M when the real number is many hundreds of
millions. None of those many countries are going bankrupt as far as I
know.
My wife wasn't too happy about the value of the dollar on her recent
trip to Poland though.
Anyway, you can google universal health care, and find that wiki has a
pretty good overview of the different systems.
Pick what suits you.

--Vic

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:44:28 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


It's a lot easier to *care* for 4.5M than 300M people.

You do know that every "first world" country in the world except the
U.S.has universal health care, don't you?
No sense dwelling on 4.5M when the real number is many hundreds of
millions. None of those many countries are going bankrupt as far as I
know.
My wife wasn't too happy about the value of the dollar on her recent
trip to Poland though.
Anyway, you can google universal health care, and find that wiki has a
pretty good overview of the different systems.
Pick what suits you.

--Vic


Almost every other "first world" country has abolished capital
punishment, too. Not so in the United States, the country that after
eight years of you know who is moving backwards as quickly as possible.





--
I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do
something. And because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do
the something that I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I
should do, by the grace of God, I will do.

— Edward Everett Hale (1822-1909)

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"hk" wrote in message

[snipped]

I won't be around to see it, but at some point in the future, there will
be heads on pikes in this country, literally or figuratively.


Right, though for the wrong reason. We need a revolt against a repressive
system of taxation, called by the liberals "progressive".

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:44:28 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:



It's a lot easier to *care* for 4.5M than 300M people.

You do know that every "first world" country in the world except the
U.S.has universal health care, don't you?
No sense dwelling on 4.5M when the real number is many hundreds of
millions. None of those many countries are going bankrupt as far as I
know.
My wife wasn't too happy about the value of the dollar on her recent
trip to Poland though.
Anyway, you can google universal health care, and find that wiki has a
pretty good overview of the different systems.
Pick what suits you.

--Vic

But what is the quality of the universal health care offered in other
countries? I personally know several Canadians that come to the US for
treatment that they would have to wait what they consider an inordinate
length of time for in their home country.

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BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
TJ wrote:
hk wrote:


So what? The point is, the Norwegians are using their national
wealth properly, to ensure that all Norwegians have the necessities
and a strong social net to help out when they need help.

In this country, our national wealth is used to make the wealthy
wealthier.

We're sliding downhill in this country. A growing number of
Americans, millions of Americans, are losing their jobs, their
health care, their houses, their retirement, their futures.

But the rich...they are getting richer.

I won't be around to see it, but at some point in the future, there
will be heads on pikes in this country, literally or figuratively.




Why is it that you hate the rich so much? We need them! Have you ever
asked a poor person to give you a job? No, wait. You wouldn't. You
want everybody to work for the government. That way, nobody's rich
but the politicians.

TJ


You are way, way, way over your head. Here's a suggestion: play with
Loogy.



TJ you hit the nail on the head.

I know. Harry's snappy comeback told me that. Nothing to refute my
assertion, just something he thought would be an insult.

TJ

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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:51:33 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
...

Wow...Bert still posts here, and is still advocating for greed. What a
surprise.

Until you had reposted his post, Richard, I thought he had disappeared
entirely.

Good filtering... :)

Here's a good, rainy day read for you ....

http://tinyurl.com/6jx5k4

Oh crap - you just had to bring that up didn't you?

Too much of neo-liberal/Democratic party politics is tied up in the
outmoded ideas of race and cultural identity. There is no shortage of
politicians willing to stoke fears of racial backsliding in order to
keep voting coalitions intact.

Those with leftist tendencies — like Harry - are constantly trying to
“remind” us how racist we still are, as a society, and how necessary
igovernment protection is against "institutional" racism and
multicultural nonsense that now permeates every venue of American
life.

A move back toward individualism is anathema to progressive politics,
particularly as such a movement would weaken established coalition
paradigms.

The most damage being done by progressivism takes place in the schools
where identification "communal" principles, "fairness" and
non-competitive status of grades makes it difficult for those who’ve
been indoctrinated to break free of the structure of liberal race and
cultural ideology.

In short, American life is no longer about the individual, but about
the collective.

That's what's runining the country.

I will now return to my cave and comtemplate my navel and the lint
therein. :)

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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:46:51 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

The question remains: When the world demand for oil drops dramatically,
which is predicted

Predicted by whom? The demand for oil will not drop as long as there
is any.

Casady

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On Aug 19, 11:32*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:51:33 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
...

Wow...Bert still posts here, and is still advocating for greed. *What a
surprise.

Until you had reposted his post, Richard, I thought he had disappeared
entirely.

Good filtering... * :)

Here's a good, rainy day read for you ....

http://tinyurl.com/6jx5k4

Oh crap - you just had to bring that up didn't you?

Too much of neo-liberal/Democratic party politics is tied up in the
outmoded ideas of race and cultural identity. *There is no shortage of
politicians willing to stoke fears of racial backsliding in order to
keep voting coalitions intact.

Those with leftist tendencies — like Harry - *are constantly trying to
“remind” us how racist we still are, as a society, and how necessary
igovernment protection is against "institutional" racism and
multicultural nonsense that now permeates every venue of American
life.

A move back toward individualism is anathema to progressive politics,
particularly as such a movement would weaken established coalition
paradigms.

The most damage being done by progressivism takes place in the schools
where identification "communal" principles, "fairness" and
non-competitive status of grades makes it difficult for those who’ve
been indoctrinated to break free of the structure of liberal race and
cultural ideology.

In short, American life is no longer about the individual, but about
the collective.

That's what's runining the country.

I will now return to my cave and comtemplate my navel and the lint
therein. *:)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Remind me to tell you about the week my wife and the Mouse spent with
our oldest in DC, she is a masters from American Univerisity. She
lives a very unique minimalist lifestyle, as did I when I was her age.
but her intolerance for those who did not understand of accept the
lifestyle was intolerant, to the point of being downright mean... My
girls learned a lot down there about the "collective" and how those
involved look at the rest of us who don't subscribe.

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hk wrote:
wrote:


Remind me to tell you about the week my wife and the Mouse spent with
our oldest in DC, she is a masters from American Univerisity. She
lives a very unique minimalist lifestyle, as did I when I was her age.
but her intolerance for those who did not understand of accept the
lifestyle was intolerant, to the point of being downright mean... My
girls learned a lot down there about the "collective" and how those
involved look at the rest of us who don't subscribe.


Don't subscribe to what?

A minimalist lifestyle?

Each individual should be able to choose the life they want to live.

Nothing wrong with that.

Does she have health insurance?

It is a choice. Why is health insurance a requirement?


If not, who pays when she needs medical care or prescriptions?

She should pay when she needs medical care or prescriptions.

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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:28:51 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Vic Smith" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:44:28 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:



It's a lot easier to *care* for 4.5M than 300M people.

You do know that every "first world" country in the world except the
U.S.has universal health care, don't you?
No sense dwelling on 4.5M when the real number is many hundreds of
millions. None of those many countries are going bankrupt as far as I
know.
My wife wasn't too happy about the value of the dollar on her recent
trip to Poland though.
Anyway, you can google universal health care, and find that wiki has a
pretty good overview of the different systems.
Pick what suits you.

--Vic

But what is the quality of the universal health care offered in other
countries? I personally know several Canadians that come to the US for
treatment that they would have to wait what they consider an inordinate
length of time for in their home country.


Don't know since I don't live in any of all the other first world
countries that have universal health care.
I suppose they could revolt and get rid of it if it isn't up to snuff.
Most have had it for decades and I haven't heard about any
revolutions.
Personally, I don't care how long Canadians have to wait.
More concerned about Americans without insurance losing their
life savings and homes because of a major medical event.
Quite a few bankruptcies are due to medical costs.
I've read up to half, but that was before this mortgage mess.
And I'm concerned about how other countries beat our ass because their
industries are subsidized on health care, lowering their operating
costs.
Maybe Don White knows about how it works in Canada.

--Vic

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:28:51 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:44:28 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


It's a lot easier to *care* for 4.5M than 300M people.

You do know that every "first world" country in the world except the
U.S.has universal health care, don't you?
No sense dwelling on 4.5M when the real number is many hundreds of
millions. None of those many countries are going bankrupt as far as I
know.
My wife wasn't too happy about the value of the dollar on her recent
trip to Poland though.
Anyway, you can google universal health care, and find that wiki has a
pretty good overview of the different systems.
Pick what suits you.

--Vic
But what is the quality of the universal health care offered in other
countries? I personally know several Canadians that come to the US for
treatment that they would have to wait what they consider an inordinate
length of time for in their home country.


Don't know since I don't live in any of all the other first world
countries that have universal health care.
I suppose they could revolt and get rid of it if it isn't up to snuff.
Most have had it for decades and I haven't heard about any
revolutions.
Personally, I don't care how long Canadians have to wait.
More concerned about Americans without insurance losing their
life savings and homes because of a major medical event.

Should everyone have to carry umbrella insurance?

Quite a few bankruptcies are due to medical costs.

Quite a few bankruptcies are due to stupid decisions. Should the
accumulated debts be forgiven or expunged for stupidity as well as
medical reasons?

I've read up to half, but that was before this mortgage mess.

What is the genesis of the mortgage mess?

And I'm concerned about how other countries beat our ass because their
industries are subsidized on health care, lowering their operating
costs.

Private enterprise should not be subsidized by tax incentives or
penalized through taxation.

Maybe Don White knows about how it works in Canada.

--Vic

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...


In short, American life is no longer about the individual, but about
the collective.

That's what's runining the country.

I will now return to my cave and comtemplate my navel and the lint
therein. :)



I am now on the boat sniffing the dining area table to see if it stinks.

Eisboch

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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You do know that every "first world" country in the world except the
U.S.has universal health care, don't you?
No sense dwelling on 4.5M when the real number is many hundreds of
millions. None of those many countries are going bankrupt as far as I
know.

--Vic

There's a difference between simply "having" universal care and having
"good" universal care.
I haven't heard too many of our northern neighbors bragging about the
quality of their health care system.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

In short, American life is no longer about the individual, but about
the collective.

That's what's runining the country.

I will now return to my cave and comtemplate my navel and the lint
therein. :)



I am now on the boat sniffing the dining area table to see if it stinks.

It might not be the Formica.

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On Aug 19, 11:43*am, wrote:
On Aug 19, 11:32*am, Short Wave Sportfishing





wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:51:33 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
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Wow...Bert still posts here, and is still advocating for greed. *What a
surprise.

Until you had reposted his post, Richard, I thought he had disappeared
entirely.

Good filtering... * :)

Here's a good, rainy day read for you ....

http://tinyurl.com/6jx5k4

Oh crap - you just had to bring that up didn't you?

Too much of neo-liberal/Democratic party politics is tied up in the
outmoded ideas of race and cultural identity. *There is no shortage of
politicians willing to stoke fears of racial backsliding in order to
keep voting coalitions intact.

Those with leftist tendencies — like Harry - *are constantly trying to
“remind” us how racist we still are, as a society, and how necessary
igovernment protection is against "institutional" racism and
multicultural nonsense that now permeates every venue of American
life.

A move back toward individualism is anathema to progressive politics,
particularly as such a movement would weaken established coalition
paradigms.

The most damage being done by progressivism takes place in the schools
where identification "communal" principles, "fairness" and
non-competitive status of grades makes it difficult for those who’ve
been indoctrinated to break free of the structure of liberal race and
cultural ideology.

In short, American life is no longer about the individual, but about
the collective.

That's what's runining the country.

I will now return to my cave and comtemplate my navel and the lint
therein. *:)- Hide quoted text -

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Remind me to tell you about the week my wife and the Mouse spent with
our oldest in DC, she is a masters from American Univerisity. She
lives a very unique minimalist lifestyle, as did I when I was her age.
but her intolerance for those who did not understand of accept the
lifestyle was intolerant, to the point of being downright mean... * My
girls learned a lot down there about the "collective" and how those
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Oh, yes, Harry is one of the worst offenders of the if I don't have
it, it isn't worth having, if I have it, you should too syndrome.

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On Aug 19, 9:23*am, hk wrote:
TJ wrote:
hk wrote:

So what? The point is, the Norwegians are using their national wealth
properly, to ensure that all Norwegians have the necessities and a
strong social net to help out when they need help.

In this country, our national wealth is used to make the wealthy
wealthier.

We're sliding downhill in this country. A growing number of Americans,
millions of Americans, are losing their jobs, their health care, their
houses, their retirement, their futures.

But the rich...they are getting richer.

I won't be around to see it, but at some point in the future, there
will be heads on pikes in this country, literally or figuratively.

Why is it that you hate the rich so much? We need them! Have you ever
asked a poor person to give you a job? No, wait. You wouldn't. You want
everybody to work for the government. That way, nobody's rich but the
politicians.

TJ

You are way, way, way over your head. Here's a suggestion: play with Loogy.



That's pretty cowardly, even of you Harry. Make sure you hide real
good behind your filter, low life loser.

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On Aug 19, 8:56*am, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:
hk wrote:

I won't be around to see it, but at some point in the future, there will
be heads on pikes in this country, ****literally***** or figuratively.

You do have some weird dreams.

Harry thinks everyone has evolved at a rate as slow as he has.

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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:03:23 -0400, BAR wrote:

hk wrote:
wrote:


Remind me to tell you about the week my wife and the Mouse spent with
our oldest in DC, she is a masters from American Univerisity. She
lives a very unique minimalist lifestyle, as did I when I was her age.
but her intolerance for those who did not understand of accept the
lifestyle was intolerant, to the point of being downright mean... My
girls learned a lot down there about the "collective" and how those
involved look at the rest of us who don't subscribe.


Don't subscribe to what?

A minimalist lifestyle?

Each individual should be able to choose the life they want to live.

And I feel the same way. The problem comes when you expect someone who
does not, to live it. Like expecting your guest to "make some food"
when you have nothing in your cabinet at all written in english, or
expecting a nearly 50yo office worker to keep up a 6 mile speed walk
with 60 pounds of suitcases, walk 30 yards ahead, and complain that
someone that age "should be ableto keep up"... and not offer to carry
one of the bags.. Tell the mouse that living in a basement apt, with
no TV, recognizable food, no microwave, no windows.. only NPR on the
radio that "you are too old to be homesick". It was not the minimalist
lifestyle that was the problem, it was the refusal to accept that
others, especially guests, might not be as comfortale with it. It was
the idea that her lifestyle was superior, and my girls should just
like it, and live it, right then, to the point of being condecending
when they did not understand.. Elite liberalism, at it's best.. I love
my kid, hope she comes around soon, but for now her total intolerance
physically hurt my wife, and totally turned the mouse off to higher
education...

Nothing wrong with that.

Does she have health insurance?

It is a choice. Why is health insurance a requirement?


If not, who pays when she needs medical care or prescriptions?

She should pay when she needs medical care or prescriptions.

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SmallBoats.com wrote:
they want to live.

And I feel the same way. The problem comes when you expect someone who
does not, to live it. Like expecting your guest to "make some food"
when you have nothing in your cabinet at all written in english, or
expecting a nearly 50yo office worker to keep up a 6 mile speed walk
with 60 pounds of suitcases, walk 30 yards ahead, and complain that
someone that age "should be ableto keep up"... and not offer to carry
one of the bags.. Tell the mouse that living in a basement apt, with
no TV, recognizable food, no microwave, no windows.. only NPR on the
radio that "you are too old to be homesick". It was not the minimalist
lifestyle that was the problem, it was the refusal to accept that
others, especially guests, might not be as comfortale with it. It was
the idea that her lifestyle was superior, and my girls should just
like it, and live it, right then, to the point of being condecending
when they did not understand.. Elite liberalism, at it's best.. I love
my kid, hope she comes around soon, but for now her total intolerance
physically hurt my wife, and totally turned the mouse off to higher
education...


If you are describing your eldest daughter's lifestyple, it certainly
does not sound like "elite liberalism" to me. What is sounds like it
mental illness. I doubt your daughter is a modern-day transcendentalist,
trying for a remake of "Walden."

I also doubt her education at The American University was the cause. If
your younger daughter thinks that is the case, you and your wife ought
to steer her in the right direction, because without a "higher
education," she's going nowhere unless she gets into a union
apprenticeship program with the electricians or plumbers.

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Eisboch wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

In short, American life is no longer about the individual, but about
the collective.

That's what's runining the country.

I will now return to my cave and comtemplate my navel and the lint
therein. :)



I am now on the boat sniffing the dining area table to see if it stinks.

Eisboch




That smell might be...your old sneakers... :)

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Eisboch wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...

You do know that every "first world" country in the world except the
U.S.has universal health care, don't you?
No sense dwelling on 4.5M when the real number is many hundreds of
millions. None of those many countries are going bankrupt as far as I
know.

--Vic

There's a difference between simply "having" universal care and having
"good" universal care.
I haven't heard too many of our northern neighbors bragging about the
quality of their health care system.

Eisboch




My reading of the various serious proposals indicates that the direction
being sought is a non-governmental duplicate of the FEHBA program
available to federal employees, with health insurance being offered by a
wide variety of insurers, with prices and features to suit various
pocketbooks, but with at least minimal coverage in all cases. The goal
is the availability of universal coverage, NOT a universal, single
"care" program.

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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You do know that every "first world" country in the world except the
U.S.has universal health care, don't you?
No sense dwelling on 4.5M when the real number is many hundreds of
millions. None of those many countries are going bankrupt as far as I
know.

--Vic

There's a difference between simply "having" universal care and having
"good" universal care.
I haven't heard too many of our northern neighbors bragging about the
quality of their health care system.

Eisboch

Depends what's wrong with you.
Having a heart attack?... you're probably as well off up here as Stateside.
Need a knee or hip replacement........ be prepared to wait.
We have American visitors continually sending letters to our local paper
amazed at the quality of care they received while taken ill here.
(maybe they expected much worse)
As I see it, our system works pretty good most of the time but could be much
better if the federal gov't paid their fair share.
Small, poorer provinces with aging populations , like Nova Scotia, struggle
with the financial burden.
This is worstened by having the US next door offering much better
salaries/incomes for doctors, nurses and other health professionals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Health_Act

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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:14:37 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .


In short, American life is no longer about the individual, but about
the collective.

That's what's runining the country.

I will now return to my cave and comtemplate my navel and the lint
therein. :)

I am now on the boat sniffing the dining area table to see if it stinks.

ROTFL!!!