Good Morning Harry Krause
 

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:57:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:31:32 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

Now, if I'd been
a Marine or a Sailor, then I'd be thinking 'payback' time

Pfft...just being a Marine is payment enough.

Now Squids - well, they should be paying us to serve. :)


You're just jealous because the IQ requirements for the Navy are so much
higher.

Eisboch


That *was* a good one!

....so much higher than what?
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John H

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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:54:30 -0400, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall,
Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:

hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
t...
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:15:41 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


No they are not. The Norwegians are using their oil wealth to pay for
a social welfare system.
When demand for oil begins to ease, they will need to sell many more
cans of sardines to maintain their social utopia.

Eisboch
It may not be enough, but Norway has used it's oil wealth more
intelligently than most.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl....w-OS-main-31/

BNStory/oilsands


By the way, Norway's oil production has peaked.



Absolutely true, and they have a tremendous cash surplus. They have
taken advantage of the age of oil.

My point is that when that revenue stream erodes and the cash is used
..... what then?
This may sound harsh or crude, but it's much more difficult for all
concerned to take welfare benefits away from people than it is to have
never made them available to begin with. The Social Security program
in the US is a good example. Over the years it has become a political
hot button as changes are made, benefits are reduced or restricted (by
age) in attempts to keep it solvent.

Eisboch






Easy solution...take the earnings cap off Social Security, and apply the
tax to *total* income, no matter its source, and double or treble the
rates for income over a certain very high level, including "deferred"
income.



Is that "certain very high level" a few dollars more than you make?
Sort of like, we should have a extra tax that use more gas than your Parker/

As long as the benefits went out in proportion to who paid in, that
wouldn't be so bad.
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:10:16 -0400, TJ wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:18:35 -0400, TJ wrote:

hk wrote:


You might want to spend a bit of time actually reading some of the
proposals out on the table rather than depending upon your personal
ignorance.

That is, if you are really interested.

Herring, a military retiree, is already sucking on the taxpayer teat for
his health care.
I read your reply four times, and I don't see an answer to my question.
Perhaps you don't have one. That's OK, because I don't have one, either.
If you have a url for the details of Sen. Obama's universal health care
proposal, especially the part where he tells how it is to be funded,
please post it here and I'd be happy to go read it.

Hey, TJ! I'm 'Herring', the military retiree Harry is referring to. Don't
know why, but I'm he.

Yes, I'm already sucking on the taxpayer teat. But that's 'cause I fed the
taxpayer's cow for a bunch of years. Harry dodged the draft, so he is
sucking off the union members' teats.

In any case, you shouldn't argue with Harry. Get him to take you on his
lobster boat instead.
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I'm beginning to see that. He sounds like the type that gives his cause
a bad name, no matter what that cause is. He also sounds like he's
bitter about not being rich, and he blames others for that, the current
government in particular. In reality, this country gives him more
opportunities to become one of those rich people he despises so much
than most others, but it isn't just handed to you by the government -
you have to go after it yourself. But, like many other bitter,
frustrated people, he can't see that. If you look to the government to
solve your problems for you, you're looking in the wrong direction.

Asset-wise, I'm probably one of those rich Americans Harry hates so
much. But maintaining those assets and keeping them debt-free keeps my
bank account low, most likely much lower than his. The government isn't
to blame for that, I am. I made a few decisions that turned out to be
mistakes. My business is weather-dependent, and all the old rules about
what to do no longer work as they once did. I have to adapt, make new
rules, and I'd be most pleased if the government would leave me alone to
work it out myself.

Of course, as we all know, had Al Gore won the Electoral vote back in
2000, we'd be another Norwegian-style utopia by now, with global warming
solved. Yeah, right. Liberals, Conservatives, there's little difference
in results. The only difference is in the pet projects they pursue.

TJ

Sounds like you've got the situation well in hand. Now they'll be talking
about the 27 dwarfs.

What business are you in?
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:13:04 -0300, Don White wrote:



As I see it, our system works pretty good most of the time but could be
much better if the federal gov't paid their fair share. Small, poorer
provinces with aging populations , like Nova Scotia, struggle with the
financial burden.

It's cheaper too. US health care cost amount to over 15% GDP. Canada's
are less than 10% GDP.

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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:48:53 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:13:04 -0300, Don White wrote:



As I see it, our system works pretty good most of the time but could be
much better if the federal gov't paid their fair share. Small, poorer
provinces with aging populations , like Nova Scotia, struggle with the
financial burden.

It's cheaper too. US health care cost amount to over 15% GDP. Canada's
are less than 10% GDP.

Which is great if that is the only measure of good healthcare.

My oldest is an oncologist and without getting into detailed
specifics, because of her speciality, sees Canadians on a regular
basis.

I should say those who can afford to pay for quality care in that
particular speciality because the treatment protocols are light years
behind the US - those who can afford it, tend to live much longer than
those treated in Canada.

Not saying that is the rule - just an anecdote.

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:30:10 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:57:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:31:32 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

Now, if I'd been
a Marine or a Sailor, then I'd be thinking 'payback' time

Pfft...just being a Marine is payment enough.

Now Squids - well, they should be paying us to serve. :)

You're just jealous because the IQ requirements for the Navy are so much
higher.

That *was* a good one!

...so much higher than what?

The Army. :)

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:30:10 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:57:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:31:32 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

Now, if I'd been
a Marine or a Sailor, then I'd be thinking 'payback' time
Pfft...just being a Marine is payment enough.

Now Squids - well, they should be paying us to serve. :)
You're just jealous because the IQ requirements for the Navy are so much
higher.
That *was* a good one!

...so much higher than what?

The Army. :)


What are the IQ requirements these days? Apparently the "standards" keep
getting lowered for military service.

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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:48:53 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:13:04 -0300, Don White wrote:



As I see it, our system works pretty good most of the time but could be
much better if the federal gov't paid their fair share. Small, poorer
provinces with aging populations , like Nova Scotia, struggle with the
financial burden.

It's cheaper too. US health care cost amount to over 15% GDP. Canada's
are less than 10% GDP.

Could it be cheaper because it's cheap?
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Good Morning Harry Krause
 

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:52:17 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:30:10 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:57:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:31:32 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

Now, if I'd been
a Marine or a Sailor, then I'd be thinking 'payback' time

Pfft...just being a Marine is payment enough.

Now Squids - well, they should be paying us to serve. :)

You're just jealous because the IQ requirements for the Navy are so much
higher.

That *was* a good one!

...so much higher than what?

The Army. :)

That was a giveaway and you know it!
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John H

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:30:10 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:57:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:31:32 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

Now, if I'd been
a Marine or a Sailor, then I'd be thinking 'payback' time
Pfft...just being a Marine is payment enough.

Now Squids - well, they should be paying us to serve. :)
You're just jealous because the IQ requirements for the Navy are so
much higher.
That *was* a good one!

...so much higher than what?

The Army. :)


What are the IQ requirements these days? Apparently the "standards" keep
getting lowered for military service.

You mean, if major John was joining now...he could become a general??
Lord help us all!

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

Don White wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:30:10 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:57:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:31:32 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

Now, if I'd been
a Marine or a Sailor, then I'd be thinking 'payback' time
Pfft...just being a Marine is payment enough.

Now Squids - well, they should be paying us to serve. :)
You're just jealous because the IQ requirements for the Navy are so
much higher.
That *was* a good one!

...so much higher than what?
The Army. :)

What are the IQ requirements these days? Apparently the "standards" keep
getting lowered for military service.

You mean, if major John was joining now...he could become a general??
Lord help us all!



Hell, after Rumsfeld lowered the standard, every old fart who used to
wear a uniform could be a general.

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:47:36 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:30:10 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:57:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:31:32 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

Now, if I'd been
a Marine or a Sailor, then I'd be thinking 'payback' time
Pfft...just being a Marine is payment enough.

Now Squids - well, they should be paying us to serve. :)
You're just jealous because the IQ requirements for the Navy are so
much higher.
That *was* a good one!

...so much higher than what?

The Army. :)


What are the IQ requirements these days? Apparently the "standards" keep
getting lowered for military service.

You mean, if major John was joining now...he could become a general??
Lord help us all!

Don, I can see you're trolling for me to say something ugly, but I think
you're just a nice guy.

For info: (From Wikipedia)

An Armed Forces Qualification Test (AFQT) score is used to determine basic
qualification for enlistment.

AFQT Scores are divided into the following categories:

* Category I - 93-99
* Category II- 65-92
* Category IIIA - 50-64
* Category IIIB - 31-49
* Category IVA - 21-30
* Category IVB - 16-20
* Category IVC - 10-15
* Category V - 0-9

The formula for computing this AFQT score is: AR + MK + (2 x VE). The VE
(verbal) score is determined by adding the raw scores from the PC and WK
tests (i.e., how many questions the aspiring recruit got right on each) and
using a table to get the VE score from that combined PC and WK raw score.

AFQT scores are not raw scores, but rather percentile scores indicating how
each examinee performed compared with all other examinees. Thus, someone
who receives an AFQT of 55 scored better than 55 percent of all other
examinees.

Law prohibits applicants in Category V from enlisting[citation needed]. In
addition, there are constraints placed on Category IV recruits. Presently,
all Category IV recruits must be high school diploma graduates. Further,
the law constrains the percentage of accessions who can fall in Category IV
(currently, the limit is 20%).
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"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:13:04 -0300, Don White wrote:



As I see it, our system works pretty good most of the time but could be
much better if the federal gov't paid their fair share. Small, poorer
provinces with aging populations , like Nova Scotia, struggle with the
financial burden.

It's cheaper too. US health care cost amount to over 15% GDP. Canada's
are less than 10% GDP.

I can get an MRI tomorrow if I need to. How long will it take to get an
MRI in Canada?

I can go see my Dr's tomorrow if I need to. How long will it take to get
an appointment and then how many months away will that appointment be in
Canada?

It is like the guys from the Soviet Union who defected to the US of A back
in the 60's and 70's and found out that our stores, all across the
country, really were full products. All you had to do was go in, get what
you wanted, take it to the cashier, pay for it, and walk out the door with
it.


MRI... if you want to pay approx $700.00 ASAP.... if you wait for a 'no
charge'..... could be a wait.
If you're talking about a GP... depends on how busy and the nature of your
emergency.
I can usually get in for a minor problem in 3 days. Reminds me, I haven't
seen a doctor (except for dentist) in a couple of years.
I probably should let him know I'm still alive and drug free (prescription &
otherwise). If he gave my spot to someone else, it might be hard to find a
new doctor.

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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:42:46 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"BAR" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:13:04 -0300, Don White wrote:



As I see it, our system works pretty good most of the time but could be
much better if the federal gov't paid their fair share. Small, poorer
provinces with aging populations , like Nova Scotia, struggle with the
financial burden.

It's cheaper too. US health care cost amount to over 15% GDP. Canada's
are less than 10% GDP.

I can get an MRI tomorrow if I need to. How long will it take to get an
MRI in Canada?

I can go see my Dr's tomorrow if I need to. How long will it take to get
an appointment and then how many months away will that appointment be in
Canada?

It is like the guys from the Soviet Union who defected to the US of A back
in the 60's and 70's and found out that our stores, all across the
country, really were full products. All you had to do was go in, get what
you wanted, take it to the cashier, pay for it, and walk out the door with
it.


MRI... if you want to pay approx $700.00 ASAP.... if you wait for a 'no
charge'..... could be a wait.
If you're talking about a GP... depends on how busy and the nature of your
emergency.
I can usually get in for a minor problem in 3 days. Reminds me, I haven't
seen a doctor (except for dentist) in a couple of years.
I probably should let him know I'm still alive and drug free (prescription &
otherwise). If he gave my spot to someone else, it might be hard to find a
new doctor.


Wow, sounds like some great medical care. Why are liberals so proud of
Canadian medical care?
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Too much of neo-liberal/Democratic party politics is tied up in the
outmoded ideas of race and cultural identity. There is no shortage of
politicians willing to stoke fears of racial backsliding in order to
keep voting coalitions intact.

Those with leftist tendencies — like Harry - are constantly trying to
“remind” us how racist we still are, as a society, and how necessary
igovernment protection is against "institutional" racism and
multicultural nonsense that now permeates every venue of American
life.

A move back toward individualism is anathema to progressive politics,
particularly as such a movement would weaken established coalition
paradigms.

The most damage being done by progressivism takes place in the schools
where identification "communal" principles, "fairness" and
non-competitive status of grades makes it difficult for those who’ve
been indoctrinated to break free of the structure of liberal race and
cultural ideology.

In short, American life is no longer about the individual, but about
the collective.

That's what's runining the country.

I will now return to my cave and comtemplate my navel and the lint
therein. :)

I remember hearing something about that. It seems that the first of the
generation of children who grew up where everybody got a trophy, nobody
ever loses, and everybody's special have now reached adult age and are
entering the job market. Not only do they have no idea of how to handle
it when the real world steps up and kicks them in the butt, but they
don't think it should be necessary for them to actually DO their jobs to
get paid. They think all they need to do is show up. It's become so bad
that some companies have started giving their supervisors training in
how to get these coddled youngsters actually WORKING.

You're right, it's ruining the country. If we are to truly succeed, the
possibility of failure has to be there, too. Take away failure, and any
success is meaningless.

But at least our self-esteem will be intact.

TJ

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"John H." salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:42:46 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"BAR" wrote in message
m...
wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:13:04 -0300, Don White wrote:



As I see it, our system works pretty good most of the time but could
be
much better if the federal gov't paid their fair share. Small, poorer
provinces with aging populations , like Nova Scotia, struggle with the
financial burden.

It's cheaper too. US health care cost amount to over 15% GDP.
Canada's
are less than 10% GDP.

I can get an MRI tomorrow if I need to. How long will it take to get an
MRI in Canada?

I can go see my Dr's tomorrow if I need to. How long will it take to get
an appointment and then how many months away will that appointment be in
Canada?

It is like the guys from the Soviet Union who defected to the US of A
back
in the 60's and 70's and found out that our stores, all across the
country, really were full products. All you had to do was go in, get
what
you wanted, take it to the cashier, pay for it, and walk out the door
with
it.


MRI... if you want to pay approx $700.00 ASAP.... if you wait for a 'no
charge'..... could be a wait.
If you're talking about a GP... depends on how busy and the nature of your
emergency.
I can usually get in for a minor problem in 3 days. Reminds me, I haven't
seen a doctor (except for dentist) in a couple of years.
I probably should let him know I'm still alive and drug free (prescription
&
otherwise). If he gave my spot to someone else, it might be hard to find
a
new doctor.


Wow, sounds like some great medical care. Why are liberals so proud of
Canadian medical care?
--
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John H

What are you blathering about?
We have a choice here in some respects.
An MRI... you can get one for free or pay for one.
I suppose your veterans coverage pays for yours.

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John H. wrote:

Sounds like you've got the situation well in hand. Now they'll be talking
about the 27 dwarfs.

What business are you in?

My brother and I are the third generation to own and operate a family
farm in Upstate NY. We sell vegetables to anybody who stops at our farm
stand, and hay to as many rich horse owners as we can find, as well as
some oats and a few beef cattle. While the prices we get for stuff have
gone up because of increased demand, our costs (fuel, fertilizer,
property taxes, health insurance, etc.) have gone up even more. Still,
as long as the weather cooperates, we do OK.

You know, if Harry is a lobsterman, you'd think he'd appreciate rich
people more than he does. He depends on them, whether he knows it or
not. Poor people can't afford lobster. I know I can't.

TJ

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On Aug 19, 10:13*pm, TJ wrote:

I remember hearing something about that. It seems that the first of the
generation of children who grew up where everybody got a trophy, nobody
ever loses, and everybody's special have now reached adult age and are
entering the job market. Not only do they have no idea of how to handle
it when the real world steps up and kicks them in the butt, but they
don't think it should be necessary for them to actually DO their jobs to
get paid. They think all they need to do is show up. It's become so bad
that some companies have started giving their supervisors training in
how to get these coddled youngsters actually WORKING.

You're right, it's ruining the country. If we are to truly succeed, the
possibility of failure has to be there, too. Take away failure, and any
success is meaningless.

But at least our self-esteem will be intact.

TJ- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Apparently they tend to cry when admonished too... Seriously, I saw
report where a ceo was talking about experiences he and his peers had..

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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:33:15 -0400, John H. wrote:


It's cheaper too. US health care cost amount to over 15% GDP. Canada's
are less than 10% GDP.

Could it be cheaper because it's cheap?

It could be cheaper because it works more efficiently. You seem to
forget, this country isn't barbaric. We *do* pay for indigent and
uninsured health care, but it's usually at the emergency room. In this
country, the uninsured usually do not have a primary care practitioner to
deal with ailments before they become expensive problems.

And, if you mean by cheap, it is of lesser quality, you would be wrong.
By objective standards, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc.
countries with universal health care surpass us. We may have the best
emergency health care on this planet, but we do not have the best health
care system, just the most expensive.

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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:51:30 -0400, hk wrote:


In indigent care...we sort of have this to a very limited degree in
some areas of the country, and for some illnesses, but there are many in
need of serious or long-term treatment who are simply turned down or
turned away. This is especially true in the arena of mental illness and
treatment for addictions.

If you read the fine print, many who think they are insured, aren't for
many mental illnesses. Insured or not, when dealing with health care,
many of us are in for a wake-up call when health care is needed.

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"TJ" wrote in message
...
snip....
You know, if Harry is a lobsterman, you'd think he'd appreciate rich
people more than he does. He depends on them, whether he knows it or not.
Poor people can't afford lobster. I know I can't.

TJ


Lobsterman??
You've been wasting too much time listening to the Dwarfs.

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On Aug 19, 10:34*pm, TJ wrote:
John H. wrote:
Sounds like you've got the situation well in hand. Now they'll be talking
about the 27 dwarfs.

What business are you in?

My brother and I are the third generation to own and operate a family
farm in Upstate NY. We sell vegetables to anybody who stops at our farm
stand, and hay to as many rich horse owners as we can find, as well as
some oats and a few beef cattle. While the prices we get for stuff have
gone up because of increased demand, our costs (fuel, fertilizer,
property taxes, health insurance, etc.) have gone up even more. Still,
as long as the weather cooperates, we do OK.

You know, if Harry is a lobsterman, you'd think he'd appreciate rich
people more than he does. He depends on them, whether he knows it or
not. Poor people can't afford lobster. I know I can't.

TJ

Where in upstate NY are you?

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

On Aug 19, 3:57*pm, hk wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:30:10 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:57:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:31:32 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

Now, if I'd been
a Marine or a Sailor, then I'd be thinking 'payback' time
Pfft...just being a Marine is payment enough.

Now Squids - well, they should be paying us to serve. *:)
You're just jealous because the IQ requirements for the Navy are so much
higher.
That *was* a good one!

...so much higher than what?

The Army. *:)

What are the IQ requirements these days? Apparently the "standards" keep
getting lowered for military service.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No they don't liar.

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Don White wrote:
"TJ" wrote in message
...
snip....
You know, if Harry is a lobsterman, you'd think he'd appreciate rich
people more than he does. He depends on them, whether he knows it or not.
Poor people can't afford lobster. I know I can't.

TJ


Lobsterman??
You've been wasting too much time listening to the Dwarfs.




I'm a lobster eater.

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"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Don White wrote:
"TJ" wrote in message
...
snip....
You know, if Harry is a lobsterman, you'd think he'd appreciate rich
people more than he does. He depends on them, whether he knows it or
not. Poor people can't afford lobster. I know I can't.

TJ


Lobsterman??
You've been wasting too much time listening to the Dwarfs.


I'm a lobster eater.


I used to be a lobster eater. No more. Same with crabs, founder or any
other bottom feeding whatever.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Don White wrote:
"TJ" wrote in message
...
snip....
You know, if Harry is a lobsterman, you'd think he'd appreciate rich
people more than he does. He depends on them, whether he knows it or
not. Poor people can't afford lobster. I know I can't.

TJ

Lobsterman??
You've been wasting too much time listening to the Dwarfs.

I'm a lobster eater.


I used to be a lobster eater. No more. Same with crabs, founder or any
other bottom feeding whatever.

Eisboch



No shellfish? No flounder? Bad batch?

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"hk" wrote in message
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I'm a lobster eater.


I used to be a lobster eater. No more. Same with crabs, founder or
any other bottom feeding whatever.

Eisboch

No shellfish? No flounder? Bad batch?



No longer worth the risk of a bad batch. I saw someone who got sick from
bad clams. Not pretty.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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I'm a lobster eater.

I used to be a lobster eater. No more. Same with crabs, founder or
any other bottom feeding whatever.

Eisboch
No shellfish? No flounder? Bad batch?



No longer worth the risk of a bad batch. I saw someone who got sick from
bad clams. Not pretty.

Eisboch




Well, I had a decision to make: either eat clams, lobsters, crabs and
flounder *or* insist that my young grandchildren race motorcycles. :)

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On Aug 20, 9:07*am, "Don White" wrote:
"TJ" wrote in message

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snip....

You know, if Harry is a lobsterman, you'd think he'd appreciate rich
people more than he does. He depends on them, whether he knows it or not.

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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:41:24 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
...

I'm a lobster eater.


I used to be a lobster eater. No more. Same with crabs, founder or
any other bottom feeding whatever.

Eisboch

No shellfish? No flounder? Bad batch?



No longer worth the risk of a bad batch. I saw someone who got sick from
bad clams. Not pretty.

Eisboch


Oh man, I have had it twice and it is total hell.. Ended up in the
emergency room once from it. No clams for me.
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Independence day just came a little late this year!
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wrote in message
t...
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:33:15 -0400, John H. wrote:


It's cheaper too. US health care cost amount to over 15% GDP. Canada's
are less than 10% GDP.

Could it be cheaper because it's cheap?

It could be cheaper because it works more efficiently. You seem to
forget, this country isn't barbaric. We *do* pay for indigent and
uninsured health care, but it's usually at the emergency room. In this
country, the uninsured usually do not have a primary care practitioner to
deal with ailments before they become expensive problems.

And, if you mean by cheap, it is of lesser quality, you would be wrong.
By objective standards, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc.
countries with universal health care surpass us. We may have the best
emergency health care on this planet, but we do not have the best health
care system, just the most expensive.

Part of the cost here as opposed to other countries, is we do most of the
major medical research in this country. Other countries just ride the coat
tails and do not have the added expense, or just steal the research.

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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:43:46 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:33:15 -0400, John H. wrote:


It's cheaper too. US health care cost amount to over 15% GDP. Canada's
are less than 10% GDP.

Could it be cheaper because it's cheap?

It could be cheaper because it works more efficiently. You seem to
forget, this country isn't barbaric. We *do* pay for indigent and
uninsured health care, but it's usually at the emergency room. In this
country, the uninsured usually do not have a primary care practitioner to
deal with ailments before they become expensive problems.

And, if you mean by cheap, it is of lesser quality, you would be wrong.
By objective standards, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc.
countries with universal health care surpass us. We may have the best
emergency health care on this planet, but we do not have the best health
care system, just the most expensive.

What happens to our statistics when you take illegal immigrants out of the
picture?
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** Good Day! **

John H

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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:16:17 -0400, John H. wrote:


What happens to our statistics when you take illegal immigrants out of
the picture?

Why don't you ask a Canadian? They have the highest per capita net
immigration rate in the world, although they don't much concern
themselves with illegal immigrants.

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"hk" wrote in message
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wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:16:17 -0400, John H. wrote:


What happens to our statistics when you take illegal immigrants out of
the picture?

Why don't you ask a Canadian? They have the highest per capita net
immigration rate in the world, although they don't much concern
themselves with illegal immigrants.


Here's a better question: how many manufacturing plants and service job
companies would shut down if we took "illegal immigrants" out of the
picture?

We have so many illegals because corporations want them as cheap workers
they can exploit by paying low wages and avoiding fringe benefits.

Check out the meat packing industry. Used to provide lots of decent jobs
with good wages and bennies to American workers. Now, the labor is
performed by mostly illegals working at substandard wages. Same with
single family and townhouse construction: most of the work is done by
crews of illegals. Been to a downtown office building? Cleaned and
maintained by illegals.

And, of course, while labor charges have plummeted, the cost of services
and goods is going through the roof.

Corporate greed.

And we get to pay double. Because the illegals for the most part are not
covered by health care, when they need care they show up at the hospital
emergency room, which we all pay for directly and indirectly.

The problem with Herring is that he is simple-minded. He thinks "illegal
immigrants" are the problem, partially because he is a racist who
previously has stated his disdain for Latinos and blacks. The real reason
we have so many illegal immigrants is that corporations fight amongst
themselves to hire them.



And, by doing so, volunteering for serious fines, penalties and, in some
cases, jail time.

Are you sure you are not related to Larry?

Eisboch

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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:14:04 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:16:17 -0400, John H. wrote:


What happens to our statistics when you take illegal immigrants out of
the picture?

Why don't you ask a Canadian? They have the highest per capita net
immigration rate in the world, although they don't much concern
themselves with illegal immigrants.

???

OK.
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John H

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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:16:17 -0400, John H. wrote:


What happens to our statistics when you take illegal immigrants out of
the picture?
Why don't you ask a Canadian? They have the highest per capita net
immigration rate in the world, although they don't much concern
themselves with illegal immigrants.

Here's a better question: how many manufacturing plants and service job
companies would shut down if we took "illegal immigrants" out of the
picture?

We have so many illegals because corporations want them as cheap workers
they can exploit by paying low wages and avoiding fringe benefits.

Check out the meat packing industry. Used to provide lots of decent jobs
with good wages and bennies to American workers. Now, the labor is
performed by mostly illegals working at substandard wages. Same with
single family and townhouse construction: most of the work is done by
crews of illegals. Been to a downtown office building? Cleaned and
maintained by illegals.

And, of course, while labor charges have plummeted, the cost of services
and goods is going through the roof.

Corporate greed.

And we get to pay double. Because the illegals for the most part are not
covered by health care, when they need care they show up at the hospital
emergency room, which we all pay for directly and indirectly.

The problem with Herring is that he is simple-minded. He thinks "illegal
immigrants" are the problem, partially because he is a racist who
previously has stated his disdain for Latinos and blacks. The real reason
we have so many illegal immigrants is that corporations fight amongst
themselves to hire them.



And, by doing so, volunteering for serious fines, penalties and, in some
cases, jail time.

Are you sure you are not related to Larry?

Eisboch



Oh, you think it otherwise, that the meat processing industries, the
clothing industries, the homebuilding industries, the service
industries, et cetera, are not packed with "illegals"?

Where have you been?