Good Morning Harry Krause
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
camacdonaldiii wrote:
On Aug 17, 4:16 pm, DK wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:49:17 -0400, DK wrote:
Don't bet on it. If WAFA has no defense (highly likely) he's done -
quickly. I hope they allow photos in that courtroom!
Just curious, how do you libel a sockpuppet?
WAFA claims to know exactly who he is.

I'm posting under my own name. So Harry has to prove his statements
accurate, and he will be given as much time as he needs, under oath,
to do so. If he can't prove the statements accurate, then it's liable
of a real person.


Ask your seeeeeester to email me, and I'll be glad to provide her with the
copies of the 200+ lies you've told about me here, and then ask her what
your chances are with two or three posts of mine, expecially since the
first one you're bitching about stated I was making it up, to show you
that, just as you made lies about me, I could make up lies about you.

Better still, put on your sleep mask and breathe deeply.

I don't know how accurate Google is but they only list about 60 posts total
to rec.boats since Sep 2007 from camacdonaldiii. I wonder if they were all
aimed at you.


http://tinyurl.com/5rofon

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

On Aug 17, 6:28*pm, hk wrote:
camacdonaldiii wrote:
On Aug 17, 4:16 pm, DK wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:49:17 -0400, DK wrote:
Don't bet on it. *If WAFA has no defense (highly likely) he's done -
quickly. *I hope they allow photos in that courtroom!
Just curious, how do you libel a sockpuppet?
WAFA claims to know exactly who he is.

I'm posting under my own name. *So Harry has to prove his statements
accurate, and he will be given as much time as he needs, under oath,
to do so. *If he can't prove the statements accurate, then it's liable
of a real person.

Ask your seeeeeester to email me, and I'll be glad to provide her with
the copies of the 200+ lies you've told about me here, and then ask her
what your chances are with two or three posts of mine, expecially since
the first one you're bitching about stated I was making it up, to show
you that, just as you made lies about me, I could make up lies about you.

Better still, put on your sleep mask and breathe deeply.

Your first communication from my sister and attorney, Harry, will be
via the deputy sheriff who will be serving you papers. If you try to
avoid service by getting crafty, then the responsibility will be
turned over to a private investigator/process server who will drop the
papers on you. Cheers, Dude.

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

camacdonaldiii wrote:
On Aug 17, 6:28 pm, hk wrote:
camacdonaldiii wrote:
On Aug 17, 4:16 pm, DK wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:49:17 -0400, DK wrote:
Don't bet on it. If WAFA has no defense (highly likely) he's done -
quickly. I hope they allow photos in that courtroom!
Just curious, how do you libel a sockpuppet?
WAFA claims to know exactly who he is.
I'm posting under my own name. So Harry has to prove his statements
accurate, and he will be given as much time as he needs, under oath,
to do so. If he can't prove the statements accurate, then it's liable
of a real person.
Ask your seeeeeester to email me, and I'll be glad to provide her with
the copies of the 200+ lies you've told about me here, and then ask her
what your chances are with two or three posts of mine, expecially since
the first one you're bitching about stated I was making it up, to show
you that, just as you made lies about me, I could make up lies about you.

Better still, put on your sleep mask and breathe deeply.

Your first communication from my sister and attorney, Harry, will be
via the deputy sheriff who will be serving you papers. If you try to
avoid service by getting crafty, then the responsibility will be
turned over to a private investigator/process server who will drop the
papers on you. Cheers, Dude.



I notice you've stopped lying about me. Too late: I've saved each and
every one of them. Did your seeeeeester tell you to start behaving properly?

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:40:39 -0400, TJ wrote:

hk wrote:


You ought to be spending your time trying to find medical care and a way
to get your needed prescriptions at a price you can afford, instead of
drooling into rec.boats.


You know, that brings up a question that I have that nobody seems to be
able to answer in a way that adds up. Of course, I'm just a simple
country boy who doesn't know much about high finance, so maybe you can
explain it to me.

Medicare is just about to the point where it spends out more than it
takes in, and Baby Boomers like me are going to break Social Security by
the time we all retire if something drastic isn't done - and soon.
Medicare could be called a sort of "universal health care" for the aged
and the disabled. My question is simple: If the US taxpayers can't
afford to provide health care to the aged and disabled, how the hell can
we afford to provide it for EVERYBODY? And how can we do it while
simultaneously balancing the budget, restoring the economy, defending
the country, and switching everybody to more expensive "green" energy?

Stopping the war might be enough to balance the budget, but it won't do
the rest, too. Taxing the profits of oil companies until they all go
bankrupt would be bad for the economy, and taxing just the rich won't
help because they don't have enough money. Most of the money in this
country is held by the middle class. Cutting government waste would
help, but you'd have to cut ALL of the pet projects, not just the ones
of the minority party, and that'll never happen, no matter which party
is in power.

So what is the Liberal Democrat solution? And I don't want to hear about
all the things the Republicans have done wrong - I want to hear about
what YOU'D DO. And those of you who are Conservatives, what would YOU
do? I've asked these questions of several political animals, of several
parties, and nobody's given me a straight answer that made any sense
yet. Can any of you be the first?

TJ

Giving everyone $1000 is a good start towards fixing those problems. If,
after that, the problems still exist, Obama will probably give everyone
$2000. For sure, the problems will go away then.
--
** Good Day! **

John H

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

On Aug 17, 10:13*pm, hk wrote:
camacdonaldiii wrote:
On Aug 17, 6:28 pm, hk wrote:
camacdonaldiii wrote:
On Aug 17, 4:16 pm, DK wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:49:17 -0400, DK wrote:
Don't bet on it. *If WAFA has no defense (highly likely) he's done -
quickly. *I hope they allow photos in that courtroom!
Just curious, how do you libel a sockpuppet?
WAFA claims to know exactly who he is.
I'm posting under my own name. *So Harry has to prove his statements
accurate, and he will be given as much time as he needs, under oath,
to do so. *If he can't prove the statements accurate, then it's liable
of a real person.
Ask your seeeeeester to email me, and I'll be glad to provide her with
the copies of the 200+ lies you've told about me here, and then ask her
what your chances are with two or three posts of mine, expecially since
the first one you're bitching about stated I was making it up, to show
you that, just as you made lies about me, I could make up lies about you.

Better still, put on your sleep mask and breathe deeply.

Your first communication from my sister and attorney, Harry, will be
via the deputy sheriff who will be serving you papers. *If you try to
avoid service by getting crafty, then the responsibility will be
turned over to a private investigator/process server who will drop the
papers on you. *Cheers, Dude.

I notice you've stopped lying about me. Too late: I've saved each and
every one of them. Did your seeeeeester tell you to start behaving properly?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No one lies more about you than.........YOU.....
Lobster boat
Dad's trans-Atlantic trip in a runabout
Ensuing fireboat welcome in NYC
Single handing around the horn
Sailing from SF to Hawaii
to name a few.

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

On Aug 18, 8:23*am, wrote:
On Aug 17, 10:13*pm, hk wrote:





camacdonaldiii wrote:
On Aug 17, 6:28 pm, hk wrote:
camacdonaldiii wrote:
On Aug 17, 4:16 pm, DK wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:49:17 -0400, DK wrote:
Don't bet on it. *If WAFA has no defense (highly likely) he's done -
quickly. *I hope they allow photos in that courtroom!
Just curious, how do you libel a sockpuppet?
WAFA claims to know exactly who he is.
I'm posting under my own name. *So Harry has to prove his statements
accurate, and he will be given as much time as he needs, under oath,
to do so. *If he can't prove the statements accurate, then it's liable
of a real person.
Ask your seeeeeester to email me, and I'll be glad to provide her with
the copies of the 200+ lies you've told about me here, and then ask her
what your chances are with two or three posts of mine, expecially since
the first one you're bitching about stated I was making it up, to show
you that, just as you made lies about me, I could make up lies about you.

Better still, put on your sleep mask and breathe deeply.

Your first communication from my sister and attorney, Harry, will be
via the deputy sheriff who will be serving you papers. *If you try to
avoid service by getting crafty, then the responsibility will be
turned over to a private investigator/process server who will drop the
papers on you. *Cheers, Dude.

I notice you've stopped lying about me. Too late: I've saved each and
every one of them. Did your seeeeeester tell you to start behaving properly?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No one lies more about you than.........YOU.....
Lobster boat
Dad's trans-Atlantic trip in a runabout
Ensuing fireboat welcome in NYC
Single handing around the horn
Sailing from SF to Hawaii
to name a few.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If your sister really advises pursuing this that doesn't rate well for
the quality of her advise. Such a suit is practically unwinable not
matter what Harry has done in usenet.

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

hk wrote:
camacdonaldiii wrote:
On Aug 18, 7:36 am, wrote:

If your sister really advises pursuing this that doesn't rate well for
the quality of her advise (sic). Such a suit is practically
unwinable not (sic)
matter what Harry has done in usenet.- Hide quoted text -

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Her brother, if she exists, put up a post advising someone not to go out
for a boat ride with me because I "was dangerous." There literally are
dozens of posts from "camac" in which he libels me. Apparently "camac"
likes to dish it out, but he can't take it, and has to go running to his
seeeeeester for help. :)



It does look like Gene's server needs tweaking if it will be able to
really be a productive filter.

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:21:49 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:12:10 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:17:12 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:58:46 -0400, TJ wrote:

John H. wrote:


Giving everyone $1000 is a good start towards fixing those problems. If,
after that, the problems still exist, Obama will probably give everyone
$2000. For sure, the problems will go away then.
--
** Good Day! **

As I said, I'm just a simple country boy. You need to explain things
more fully, or I don't understand them. Assuming by "everyone" you mean
all 300 million or so Americans, That could come to as much as, uh let
me see... Wait a minute, my calculator doesn't go that high, I need a
pencil... Ah! I get $9 trillion. Sounds like a bargain to me, although I
don't see how it would work. The $600 Bush gave almost everyone only
helped during one quarter.

Exactly where do you expect them to get that money? Should they just
print it up? From what I heard, that would devalue our falling dollar
even more than it is now, and that $3000 would have less power than it
might have. They could borrow it from China or somebody, but wouldn't
that increase the deficit even more? Doesn't sound like a good way to
balance the budget. If I did something lie that, I'd hear nasty things
from my banker. But then, I'm not the government, am I?

Hmmm. I'm not so sure about that one, but we'll put it on the list.
Anybody got any other ideas?

TJ

Where does Obama get the money? From the same place Pelosi or Reid would
get the money. Taxes. Higher taxes. Income redistribution on a grand
scale.

Ya mean like the $1200 that Bush recently sent everybody? Bush simply
borrowed the money from China. He knows you are good for it, or maybe
your children and grandchildren will settle up...

Bush sent me nothing, and I'm part of everybody.

No, tax cheats who don't file a return, are part of a smaller
sub-group.

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..


There's something about Herring's sort of aimless hobby-filled
retirement -a type of retirement apparently shared by several posters
here- that would drive me batty. Not having anything to do but engage in
self-indulgent hobbies...seems mindless to me. I don't even like
"vacations" that last more than a week.



You may feel better if and when you ever get a sense of accomplishment or
satisfaction of your efforts in life.
Meanwhile, keep trying.

Eisboch

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

On Aug 18, 10:46*am, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:21:49 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:12:10 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:17:12 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:58:46 -0400, TJ wrote:

John H. wrote:

Giving everyone $1000 is a good start towards fixing those problems. If,
after that, the problems still exist, Obama will probably give everyone
$2000. For sure, the problems will go away then.
--
** Good Day! **
As I said, I'm just a simple country boy. You need to explain things
more fully, or I don't understand them. Assuming by "everyone" you mean
all 300 million or so Americans, That could come to as much as, uh let
me see... Wait a minute, my calculator doesn't go that high, I need a
pencil... Ah! I get $9 trillion. Sounds like a bargain to me, although I
don't see how it would work. The $600 Bush gave almost everyone only
helped during one quarter.

Exactly where do you expect them to get that money? Should they just
print it up? From what I heard, that would devalue our falling dollar
even more than it is now, and that $3000 would have less power than it
might have. They could borrow it from China or somebody, but wouldn't
that increase the deficit even more? Doesn't sound like a good way to
balance the budget. If I did something lie that, I'd hear nasty things
from my banker. But then, I'm not the government, am I?
Hmmm. I'm not so sure about that one, but we'll put it on the list.
Anybody got any other ideas?

TJ
Where does Obama get the money? From the same place Pelosi or Reid would
get the money. Taxes. Higher taxes. Income redistribution on *a grand
scale.
Ya mean like the $1200 that Bush recently sent everybody? Bush simply
borrowed the money from China. He knows you are good for it, or maybe
your children and grandchildren will settle up...
Bush sent me nothing, and I'm part of everybody.

No, tax cheats who don't file a return, are part of a smaller
sub-group.

Herring is retired. If memory serves, you had to have earned income to
get the tax rebate. Your tax dollars are paying for Herring's
retirement, too.

There's something about Herring's sort of aimless hobby-filled
retirement -a type of retirement apparently shared by several posters
here- that would drive me batty. Not having anything to do but engage in
self-indulgent hobbies...seems mindless to me. I don't even like
"vacations" that last more than a week.

Whatever one thinks of Jimmy Carter, one has to admire many of his
"retirement" activities that are aimed at helping the less fortunate.
My father in law, retired, is a lifelong conservative Republican, but he
says Carter is his model for "doing good for others" in retirement.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Part of John's compensation for his services to our country (besides
the low pay) is health care, and other compensations for retirement.
It's just that simple. He worked for it, he deserves it. Whether you
or I agree with it, he knew he had it coming, and I'm sure that was
part of his decision to make the military a career.

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..

There's something about Herring's sort of aimless hobby-filled
retirement -a type of retirement apparently shared by several posters
here- that would drive me batty. Not having anything to do but engage in
self-indulgent hobbies...seems mindless to me. I don't even like
"vacations" that last more than a week.



You may feel better if and when you ever get a sense of accomplishment or
satisfaction of your efforts in life.
Meanwhile, keep trying.

Eisboch



That's not it at all. It's the utter mindlessness and laziness of it
that I don't like, as in, "Oh...it's Thursday...it's golf day," instead
of, "Oh...it's Thursday...it's my day to cook meals for the needy down
at the shelter," or tutor some kids, or something like that. Not that
retirees should spend every day helping others, but, if they are
physically able and reasonably well off, I think at least a couple of
days a week devoted to helping those who most need it is the mark of
someone who is not entirely self-indulgent.

My wife asked me this past weekend if I ever intended to "retire." My
answer: "Why would I want to do *that*?"

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..

There's something about Herring's sort of aimless hobby-filled
retirement -a type of retirement apparently shared by several posters
here- that would drive me batty. Not having anything to do but engage
in self-indulgent hobbies...seems mindless to me. I don't even like
"vacations" that last more than a week.



You may feel better if and when you ever get a sense of accomplishment
or satisfaction of your efforts in life.
Meanwhile, keep trying.

Eisboch


That's not it at all. It's the utter mindlessness and laziness of it
that I don't like, as in, "Oh...it's Thursday...it's golf day," instead
of, "Oh...it's Thursday...it's my day to cook meals for the needy down
at the shelter," or tutor some kids, or something like that. Not that
retirees should spend every day helping others, but, if they are
physically able and reasonably well off, I think at least a couple of
days a week devoted to helping those who most need it is the mark of
someone who is not entirely self-indulgent.

My wife asked me this past weekend if I ever intended to "retire." My
answer: "Why would I want to do *that*?"

Why don't you take off 1 day a week from rec.boats and volunteer for
something, anything.

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
camacdonaldiii wrote:
Howdy Harry. As it turns out, my next eldest sibling is a very
successful plaintiff lawyer. She’s here for a few days and has
reviewed your statements in “camacdonald is on a list of felons
convicted of crimes involving minors”, etc. She is enthusiastic, even
zealous, about filing a damage action and says that now that we know
exactly where you live, service of process for the action and the
subsequent subpoena for deposition will be no problem. It’ll be fun!
Putting you under oath and taking your deposition. What more could
you ask for! And she says that since the deposition will be a matter
of public record, I could post it to the Internet. Hot damn, I can’t
wait!



Snerk.

Since you have "made your bones here" by posting dozens of personally
insulting (if untrue) messages about me, I suspect you'll be waiting quite
a while. And since you are posting behind an anonymous handle and since I
prefaced my remark about you by stated it was b.s., just like your remarks
about me were, well...if you had a brain, you might be able to figure out
the result.


Where's the preface referring to *B.S.*?

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:44:03 -0700 (PDT), camacdonaldiii
wrote:

However, his neighbor, with whom I was talking, knew all about his
labor union connections and his "problems,"

Even the "problems" in Florida ?



Were you aware your new buddy camacdonald is on a list of felons
convicted of crimes involving minors? Got grandkids? Introduce them.


snip

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

I just don't understand why Gene is putting up with the same old same
old here.. A poster who keeps others on the sidelines not
wanting to fight is not productive.. I know any post I make here is
going to be attacked, I will be called names, and my boats will be put
down by someone who has no clue.. really..On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:03:02
-0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
...


There's something about Herring's sort of aimless hobby-filled
retirement -a type of retirement apparently shared by several posters
here- that would drive me batty. Not having anything to do but engage in
self-indulgent hobbies...seems mindless to me. I don't even like
"vacations" that last more than a week.



You may feel better if and when you ever get a sense of accomplishment or
satisfaction of your efforts in life.
Meanwhile, keep trying.

Eisboch

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

On Aug 18, 11:27*am, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:
hk wrote:

My wife asked me this past weekend if I ever intended to "retire." My
answer: "Why would I want to do *that*?"


Why don't you take off 1 day a week from rec.boats and volunteer for
something, anything.

Hear, hear!!

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

D.Duck wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
camacdonaldiii wrote:
Howdy Harry. As it turns out, my next eldest sibling is a very
successful plaintiff lawyer. She’s here for a few days and has
reviewed your statements in “camacdonald is on a list of felons
convicted of crimes involving minors”, etc. She is enthusiastic, even
zealous, about filing a damage action and says that now that we know
exactly where you live, service of process for the action and the
subsequent subpoena for deposition will be no problem. It’ll be fun!
Putting you under oath and taking your deposition. What more could
you ask for! And she says that since the deposition will be a matter
of public record, I could post it to the Internet. Hot damn, I can’t
wait!


Snerk.

Since you have "made your bones here" by posting dozens of personally
insulting (if untrue) messages about me, I suspect you'll be waiting quite
a while. And since you are posting behind an anonymous handle and since I
prefaced my remark about you by stated it was b.s., just like your remarks
about me were, well...if you had a brain, you might be able to figure out
the result.


Where's the preface referring to *B.S.*?

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:44:03 -0700 (PDT), camacdonaldiii
wrote:

However, his neighbor, with whom I was talking, knew all about his
labor union connections and his "problems,"
Even the "problems" in Florida ?



Were you aware your new buddy camacdonald is on a list of felons
convicted of crimes involving minors? Got grandkids? Introduce them.


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Right here, quacker:


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camacdonaldiii wrote:


And that would be acreage, not small lot. Hope all goes well
overnight on the acreage. Do you have cattle rustlers in your parts?



snerk

You really are a clueless little schitt.

BTW, I was talking to a neighbor of yours I met at a business meeting,
and he said that not only do most of your neighbors in the Atlanta area
have a restraining order out on you, but that you show up on a sexual
predators list, and it is a felony for you to be within 1000 feet of any
school.

See? I can make up better stories about you than you can about me.


Nice, eh?



See? I can make up better stories about you than you can about me.

I guess I suffixed it rather than prefaced it. Either way, I stated
quite clearly in my first post to "camo" that I was making it up.


Got it?

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

"hk" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
camacdonaldiii wrote:
Howdy Harry. As it turns out, my next eldest sibling is a very
successful plaintiff lawyer. She’s here for a few days and has
reviewed your statements in “camacdonald is on a list of felons
convicted of crimes involving minors”, etc. She is enthusiastic, even
zealous, about filing a damage action and says that now that we know
exactly where you live, service of process for the action and the
subsequent subpoena for deposition will be no problem. It’ll be fun!
Putting you under oath and taking your deposition. What more could
you ask for! And she says that since the deposition will be a matter
of public record, I could post it to the Internet. Hot damn, I can’t
wait!


Snerk.

Since you have "made your bones here" by posting dozens of personally
insulting (if untrue) messages about me, I suspect you'll be waiting
quite a while. And since you are posting behind an anonymous handle and
since I prefaced my remark about you by stated it was b.s., just like
your remarks about me were, well...if you had a brain, you might be able
to figure out the result.


Where's the preface referring to *B.S.*?

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:44:03 -0700 (PDT), camacdonaldiii
wrote:

However, his neighbor, with whom I was talking, knew all about his
labor union connections and his "problems,"
Even the "problems" in Florida ?



Were you aware your new buddy camacdonald is on a list of felons
convicted of crimes involving minors? Got grandkids? Introduce them.


snip


Right here, quacker:


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camacdonaldiii wrote:


And that would be acreage, not small lot. Hope all goes well
overnight on the acreage. Do you have cattle rustlers in your parts?



snerk

You really are a clueless little schitt.

BTW, I was talking to a neighbor of yours I met at a business meeting,
and he said that not only do most of your neighbors in the Atlanta area
have a restraining order out on you, but that you show up on a sexual
predators list, and it is a felony for you to be within 1000 feet of any
school.

See? I can make up better stories about you than you can about me.


Nice, eh?



See? I can make up better stories about you than you can about me.

I guess I suffixed it rather than prefaced it. Either way, I stated quite
clearly in my first post to "camo" that I was making it up.


Got it?

Yep, I got it. The message I inserted stands on its own.

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

"John H." salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote in message
...
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:53:25 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
m...
camacdonaldiii wrote:
On Aug 18, 7:36 am, wrote:

If your sister really advises pursuing this that doesn't rate well for
the quality of her advise (sic). Such a suit is practically unwinable
not (sic)
matter what Harry has done in usenet.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Her brother, if she exists, put up a post advising someone not to go out
for a boat ride with me because I "was dangerous." There literally are
dozens of posts from "camac" in which he libels me. Apparently "camac"
likes to dish it out, but he can't take it, and has to go running to his
seeeeeester for help. :)


When that blows up in his face, he'll be running to his mama.


Since you brought them up, how's your mom doing, Don?

--
** Good Day! **

John H

Just fine John.

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

jamesgangnc wrote:
"camacdonaldiii" wrote in message
...
On Aug 16, 8:56 am, "jamesgangnc" wrote:
Frankly I wish you guys would all disappear. But I'm thinking that your
sister's enthusiasm will start to diminish once she considers the reality
of
her time invested with little or no real possible return. I suspect the
target of your activity could simply file for extensions and delays long
enough to make her lose interest.

"camacdonaldiii" wrote in message

...
Howdy Harry. As it turns out, my next eldest sibling is a very
successful plaintiff lawyer. She’s here for a few days and has
reviewed your statements in “camacdonald is on a list of felons
convicted of crimes involving minors”, etc. She is enthusiastic, even
zealous, about filing a damage action and says that now that we know
exactly where you live, service of process for the action and the
subsequent subpoena for deposition will be no problem. It’ll be fun!
Putting you under oath and taking your deposition. What more could
you ask for! And she says that since the deposition will be a matter
of public record, I could post it to the Internet. Hot damn, I can’t
wait!

James, I'm bragging on family here, so I apologize. But my sister is
very tenacious (especially where family is concerned) and an excellent
plaintiff lawyer. She'll have The Fat One gnawing off his fingernails
like a maniac.

Then your sister is not as well versed in this area as you think.

1. You willingly participated in a public forum. That greatly diminishes
your protection under the laws.

2. You posted a great deal of subjective material yourself. A judge can
not rule upon any of this as a matter of fact. That means jury trial.

3. Historically there is practically no successes for these sort of cases
in spite of the fact that the internet and usenet in particular is rampant
with this behavior.

4. If you even manage to win a case you would then have to prove real
damages. Personal feelings don't count. You need to show how this has cost
you money.

5. Losing such a case would in fact leave you open to counter claims that
would include real expenses incurred by the other party. You could find
yourself having to pay for his lawyer.

Now has you sister informed you of all this? Tenacious has nothing to do
with it. It would take very little effort on the other party to cause your
sister to run up a great deal of time invested in a case that is almost
certainly unwinable.



I think you are missing the whole point of the lawsuit.

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

On Aug 18, 11:22*am, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...

There's something about Herring's sort of aimless hobby-filled
retirement -a type of retirement apparently shared by several posters
here- that would drive me batty. Not having anything to do but engage in
self-indulgent hobbies...seems mindless to me. I don't even like
"vacations" that last more than a week.

You may feel better if and when you ever get a sense of accomplishment or
satisfaction of your efforts in life.
Meanwhile, keep trying.

Eisboch

That's not it at all. It's the utter mindlessness and laziness of it
that I don't like, as in, "Oh...it's Thursday...it's golf day," instead
of, "Oh...it's Thursday...it's my day to cook meals for the needy down
at the shelter," or tutor some kids, or something like that. Not that
retirees should spend every day helping others, but, if they are
physically able and reasonably well off, I think at least a couple of
days a week devoted to helping those who most need it is the mark of
someone who is not entirely self-indulgent.

My wife asked me this past weekend if I ever intended to "retire." My
answer: "Why would I want to do *that*?"- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Mindlessness and laziness? I know many, many people who are retired
and more active than they ever were when working. You must sure have a
miserable life elsewhere if all you want to do is work.

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

On Aug 18, 11:27*am, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
m...

There's something about Herring's sort of aimless hobby-filled
retirement -a type of retirement apparently shared by several posters
here- that would drive me batty. Not having anything to do but engage
in self-indulgent hobbies...seems mindless to me. I don't even like
"vacations" that last more than a week.

You may feel better if and when you ever get a sense of accomplishment
or satisfaction of your efforts in life.
Meanwhile, keep trying.

Eisboch

That's not it at all. It's the utter mindlessness and laziness of it
that I don't like, as in, "Oh...it's Thursday...it's golf day," instead
of, "Oh...it's Thursday...it's my day to cook meals for the needy down
at the shelter," or tutor some kids, or something like that. Not that
retirees should spend every day helping others, but, if they are
physically able and reasonably well off, I think at least a couple of
days a week devoted to helping those who most need it is the mark of
someone who is not entirely self-indulgent.

My wife asked me this past weekend if I ever intended to "retire." My
answer: "Why would I want to do *that*?"

Why don't you take off 1 day a week from rec.boats and volunteer for
something, anything.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey, you once pointed someone here to a guys website that was very
informative about DSLR. I'd like to have that if you remember it. I
want to know more about the whole lens length thing versus 35mm slr.

Good Morning Jack Goff
 

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

hk wrote:
camacdonaldiii wrote:
On Aug 17, 4:16 pm, DK wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:49:17 -0400, DK wrote:
Don't bet on it. If WAFA has no defense (highly likely) he's done -
quickly. I hope they allow photos in that courtroom!
Just curious, how do you libel a sockpuppet?
WAFA claims to know exactly who he is.

I'm posting under my own name. So Harry has to prove his statements
accurate, and he will be given as much time as he needs, under oath,
to do so. If he can't prove the statements accurate, then it's liable
of a real person.


Ask your seeeeeester to email me, and I'll be glad to provide her with
the copies of the 200+ lies you've told about me here, and then ask her
what your chances are with two or three posts of mine, expecially since
the first one you're bitching about stated I was making it up, to show
you that, just as you made lies about me, I could make up lies about you.

Better still, put on your sleep mask and breathe deeply.

Why don't you just post the list of lies to the group Harry?

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

wrote:
On Aug 18, 11:27 am, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
There's something about Herring's sort of aimless hobby-filled
retirement -a type of retirement apparently shared by several posters
here- that would drive me batty. Not having anything to do but engage
in self-indulgent hobbies...seems mindless to me. I don't even like
"vacations" that last more than a week.
You may feel better if and when you ever get a sense of accomplishment
or satisfaction of your efforts in life.
Meanwhile, keep trying.
Eisboch
That's not it at all. It's the utter mindlessness and laziness of it
that I don't like, as in, "Oh...it's Thursday...it's golf day," instead
of, "Oh...it's Thursday...it's my day to cook meals for the needy down
at the shelter," or tutor some kids, or something like that. Not that
retirees should spend every day helping others, but, if they are
physically able and reasonably well off, I think at least a couple of
days a week devoted to helping those who most need it is the mark of
someone who is not entirely self-indulgent.
My wife asked me this past weekend if I ever intended to "retire." My
answer: "Why would I want to do *that*?"
Why don't you take off 1 day a week from rec.boats and volunteer for
something, anything.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey, you once pointed someone here to a guys website that was very
informative about DSLR. I'd like to have that if you remember it. I
want to know more about the whole lens length thing versus 35mm slr.

A easy overview of digital cameras

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/recommended-cameras.htm

A explanation and comparison of digital focal length vs 35mm focal length

http://www.earthboundlight.com/photo...op-factor.html

Good Morning Jack Goff
 

On Aug 18, 12:54*pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 18, 11:27 am, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:
hk wrote:

My wife asked me this past weekend if I ever intended to "retire." My
answer: "Why would I want to do *that*?"

Why don't you take off 1 day a week from rec.boats and volunteer for
something, anything.

Hear, hear!!

Why don't the two of you get a room somewhere and answer nature's call?

Just because that's what you, JimH and Don do doesn't mean everyone is
like that.

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

On Aug 18, 1:37*pm, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 18, 11:27 am, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
news:G8GdnVMbGaCgFjTVnZ2dnUVZ_t3inZ2d@comcast. com...
There's something about Herring's sort of aimless hobby-filled
retirement -a type of retirement apparently shared by several posters
here- that would drive me batty. Not having anything to do but engage
in self-indulgent hobbies...seems mindless to me. I don't even like
"vacations" that last more than a week.
You may feel better if and when you ever get a sense of accomplishment
or satisfaction of your efforts in life.
Meanwhile, keep trying.
Eisboch
That's not it at all. It's the utter mindlessness and laziness of it
that I don't like, as in, "Oh...it's Thursday...it's golf day," instead
of, "Oh...it's Thursday...it's my day to cook meals for the needy down
at the shelter," or tutor some kids, or something like that. Not that
retirees should spend every day helping others, but, if they are
physically able and reasonably well off, I think at least a couple of
days a week devoted to helping those who most need it is the mark of
someone who is not entirely self-indulgent.
My wife asked me this past weekend if I ever intended to "retire." My
answer: "Why would I want to do *that*?"
Why don't you take off 1 day a week from rec.boats and volunteer for
something, anything.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey, you once pointed someone here to a guys website that was very
informative about DSLR. I'd like to have that if you remember it. I
want to know more about the whole lens length thing versus 35mm slr.

A easy overview of digital cameras

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/recommended-cameras.htm

A explanation and comparison of digital focal length vs 35mm focal length

http://www.earthboundlight.com/photo...p-factor.html- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Thanks!

Good Morning Jack Goff
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
On Aug 18, 11:27 am, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:
hk wrote:

My wife asked me this past weekend if I ever intended to "retire." My
answer: "Why would I want to do *that*?"

Why don't you take off 1 day a week from rec.boats and volunteer for
something, anything.

Hear, hear!!


Why don't the two of you get a room somewhere and answer nature's call?

Nature??
What's natural about about the Dwarf Army enlisted.

Good Morning Jack Goff
 

Don White wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
On Aug 18, 11:27 am, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:
hk wrote:
My wife asked me this past weekend if I ever intended to "retire." My
answer: "Why would I want to do *that*?"
Why don't you take off 1 day a week from rec.boats and volunteer for
something, anything.
Hear, hear!!

Why don't the two of you get a room somewhere and answer nature's call?

Nature??
What's natural about about the Dwarf Army enlisted.




I never said it would be "human" nature.


--
I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do
something. And because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do
the something that I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I
should do, by the grace of God, I will do.

— Edward Everett Hale (1822-1909)

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:36:34 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:21:49 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:12:10 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:17:12 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:58:46 -0400, TJ wrote:

John H. wrote:


Giving everyone $1000 is a good start towards fixing those problems. If,
after that, the problems still exist, Obama will probably give everyone
$2000. For sure, the problems will go away then.
--
** Good Day! **

As I said, I'm just a simple country boy. You need to explain things
more fully, or I don't understand them. Assuming by "everyone" you mean
all 300 million or so Americans, That could come to as much as, uh let
me see... Wait a minute, my calculator doesn't go that high, I need a
pencil... Ah! I get $9 trillion. Sounds like a bargain to me, although I
don't see how it would work. The $600 Bush gave almost everyone only
helped during one quarter.

Exactly where do you expect them to get that money? Should they just
print it up? From what I heard, that would devalue our falling dollar
even more than it is now, and that $3000 would have less power than it
might have. They could borrow it from China or somebody, but wouldn't
that increase the deficit even more? Doesn't sound like a good way to
balance the budget. If I did something lie that, I'd hear nasty things
from my banker. But then, I'm not the government, am I?

Hmmm. I'm not so sure about that one, but we'll put it on the list.
Anybody got any other ideas?

TJ

Where does Obama get the money? From the same place Pelosi or Reid would
get the money. Taxes. Higher taxes. Income redistribution on a grand
scale.

Ya mean like the $1200 that Bush recently sent everybody? Bush simply
borrowed the money from China. He knows you are good for it, or maybe
your children and grandchildren will settle up...

Bush sent me nothing, and I'm part of everybody.

No, tax cheats who don't file a return, are part of a smaller
sub-group.

Don't I wish I was a non-filer!

Obama will tax those who have some to give to those who have less. He will
do this as long as it buys votes. Once the have-nots realize they will
always be on the bottom of the totem pole, they may change their ways. But,
I believe this will take at least a generation.l
--
** Good Day! **

John H

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:03:02 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
...


There's something about Herring's sort of aimless hobby-filled
retirement -a type of retirement apparently shared by several posters
here- that would drive me batty. Not having anything to do but engage in
self-indulgent hobbies...seems mindless to me. I don't even like
"vacations" that last more than a week.



You may feel better if and when you ever get a sense of accomplishment or
satisfaction of your efforts in life.
Meanwhile, keep trying.

Eisboch


Speaking of 'aimless hobby-filled retirement', we had our break-in trip
with the travel trailer. What a blast! All went well, nothing broke. We
went to the Navy Rec Center at Solomon's Island. I didn't see Harry drift
fishing for spanish macks, but we had a good time.
--
** Good Day! **

John H

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:21:55 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"John H." salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:53:25 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
om...
camacdonaldiii wrote:
On Aug 18, 7:36 am, wrote:

If your sister really advises pursuing this that doesn't rate well for
the quality of her advise (sic). Such a suit is practically unwinable
not (sic)
matter what Harry has done in usenet.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Her brother, if she exists, put up a post advising someone not to go out
for a boat ride with me because I "was dangerous." There literally are
dozens of posts from "camac" in which he libels me. Apparently "camac"
likes to dish it out, but he can't take it, and has to go running to his
seeeeeester for help. :)


When that blows up in his face, he'll be running to his mama.


Since you brought them up, how's your mom doing, Don?

--
** Good Day! **

John H

Just fine John.


Well that's good to hear. Have you taken her out in that new boat yet?
She'd probably get a charge out of it.
--
** Good Day! **

John H

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

On Aug 18, 10:22 am, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...

There's something about Herring's sort of aimless hobby-filled
retirement -a type of retirement apparently shared by several posters
here- that would drive me batty. Not having anything to do but engage in
self-indulgent hobbies...seems mindless to me. I don't even like
"vacations" that last more than a week.

You may feel better if and when you ever get a sense of accomplishment or
satisfaction of your efforts in life.
Meanwhile, keep trying.

Eisboch

That's not it at all. It's the utter mindlessness and laziness of it
that I don't like, as in, "Oh...it's Thursday...it's golf day," instead
of, "Oh...it's Thursday...it's my day to cook meals for the needy down
at the shelter," or tutor some kids, or something like that. Not that
retirees should spend every day helping others, but, if they are
physically able and reasonably well off, I think at least a couple of
days a week devoted to helping those who most need it is the mark of
someone who is not entirely self-indulgent.

My wife asked me this past weekend if I ever intended to "retire." My
answer: "Why would I want to do *that*?"

Well, Field Marshal Herring has been helping care of Belorussian kids
for the past 4 years.
I think that's a lot to his credit.

For TJ: Health Care Proposals
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..

I have a lot of friends in Norway. One of my closest is an old oil rig
worker who was injured on the job. Seriously injured. Not only did he not
pay a dime to get rehabbed, when it was determined he could no longer work
the rigs, the government of Norway supported he and his family while he
was attending college to obtain a teaching degree.

Tell your Norwegian buddy that he should be ashamed of himself for "sucking
on the government teat".
I think the career American soldier deserves a lot more respect and
gratitude than he gets from fat assed, American, loud mouth, obnoxious,
cowards. Don't you, Harry?

For TJ: Health Care Proposals
 

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:18:35 -0400, TJ wrote:

hk wrote:



You might want to spend a bit of time actually reading some of the
proposals out on the table rather than depending upon your personal
ignorance.

That is, if you are really interested.

Herring, a military retiree, is already sucking on the taxpayer teat for
his health care.

I read your reply four times, and I don't see an answer to my question.
Perhaps you don't have one. That's OK, because I don't have one, either.
If you have a url for the details of Sen. Obama's universal health care
proposal, especially the part where he tells how it is to be funded,
please post it here and I'd be happy to go read it.

Hey, TJ! I'm 'Herring', the military retiree Harry is referring to. Don't
know why, but I'm he.

Yes, I'm already sucking on the taxpayer teat. But that's 'cause I fed the
taxpayer's cow for a bunch of years. Harry dodged the draft, so he is
sucking off the union members' teats.

In any case, you shouldn't argue with Harry. Get him to take you on his
lobster boat instead.
--
** Good Day! **

John H

For TJ: Health Care Proposals
 

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:51:06 -0400, "Jim" wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
...

I have a lot of friends in Norway. One of my closest is an old oil rig
worker who was injured on the job. Seriously injured. Not only did he not
pay a dime to get rehabbed, when it was determined he could no longer work
the rigs, the government of Norway supported he and his family while he
was attending college to obtain a teaching degree.

Tell your Norwegian buddy that he should be ashamed of himself for "sucking
on the government teat".
I think the career American soldier deserves a lot more respect and
gratitude than he gets from fat assed, American, loud mouth, obnoxious,
cowards. Don't you, Harry?

Harry has some strange methods for determining his heros.
--
** Good Day! **

John H

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

Tim wrote:
On Aug 18, 10:22 am, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
There's something about Herring's sort of aimless hobby-filled
retirement -a type of retirement apparently shared by several posters
here- that would drive me batty. Not having anything to do but engage in
self-indulgent hobbies...seems mindless to me. I don't even like
"vacations" that last more than a week.
You may feel better if and when you ever get a sense of accomplishment or
satisfaction of your efforts in life.
Meanwhile, keep trying.
Eisboch
That's not it at all. It's the utter mindlessness and laziness of it
that I don't like, as in, "Oh...it's Thursday...it's golf day," instead
of, "Oh...it's Thursday...it's my day to cook meals for the needy down
at the shelter," or tutor some kids, or something like that. Not that
retirees should spend every day helping others, but, if they are
physically able and reasonably well off, I think at least a couple of
days a week devoted to helping those who most need it is the mark of
someone who is not entirely self-indulgent.

My wife asked me this past weekend if I ever intended to "retire." My
answer: "Why would I want to do *that*?"

Well, Field Marshal Herring has been helping care of Belorussian kids
for the past 4 years.
I think that's a lot to his credit.


You are overestimating his involvement in that venture.



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something. And because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do
the something that I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I
should do, by the grace of God, I will do.

— Edward Everett Hale (1822-1909)

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:15:37 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Aug 18, 10:22 am, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...

There's something about Herring's sort of aimless hobby-filled
retirement -a type of retirement apparently shared by several posters
here- that would drive me batty. Not having anything to do but engage in
self-indulgent hobbies...seems mindless to me. I don't even like
"vacations" that last more than a week.

You may feel better if and when you ever get a sense of accomplishment or
satisfaction of your efforts in life.
Meanwhile, keep trying.

Eisboch

That's not it at all. It's the utter mindlessness and laziness of it
that I don't like, as in, "Oh...it's Thursday...it's golf day," instead
of, "Oh...it's Thursday...it's my day to cook meals for the needy down
at the shelter," or tutor some kids, or something like that. Not that
retirees should spend every day helping others, but, if they are
physically able and reasonably well off, I think at least a couple of
days a week devoted to helping those who most need it is the mark of
someone who is not entirely self-indulgent.

My wife asked me this past weekend if I ever intended to "retire." My
answer: "Why would I want to do *that*?"

Well, Field Marshal Herring has been helping care of Belorussian kids
for the past 4 years.
I think that's a lot to his credit.

Did I get promoted?

My first Belarussian kid will graduate from high school this coming year.
Then he's off to St. Petersburg University in Russia.

I consider the ten years I spent teaching 8th graders sufficient 'payback',
as if any was needed for almost thirty years in the Army. Now, if I'd been
a Marine or a Sailor, then I'd be thinking 'payback' time!

I'm thinking Harry has his wife convinced that all the time he spends in
rec.boats is 'work time'.

Gotta go. Today is 'golf day' at Bristow Manor Golf Course!
--
** Good Day! **

John H

Good Morning Harry Krause
 

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:31:32 -0400, John H.
salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote:

Now, if I'd been
a Marine or a Sailor, then I'd be thinking 'payback' time

Pfft...just being a Marine is payment enough.

Now Squids - well, they should be paying us to serve. :)

For TJ: Health Care Proposals
 

"Jim" wrote in message
...

"hk" wrote in message
. ..

I have a lot of friends in Norway. One of my closest is an old oil rig
worker who was injured on the job. Seriously injured. Not only did he not
pay a dime to get rehabbed, when it was determined he could no longer
work the rigs, the government of Norway supported he and his family while
he was attending college to obtain a teaching degree.

Tell your Norwegian buddy that he should be ashamed of himself for
"sucking on the government teat".


Harry is quite correct in the respect that Norway, with a population of only
4.5 million, currently enjoys a very high standard of living with social
welfare programs available as a safety net for all. But, he ignores the
fact that much of this is financed with oil revenues, of which Norway has a
vast inventory of stock. It wasn't always this way in Norway.

By comparison, the population of New York City (proper) is over 8 million.
New York state is over 18 million. The total USA population is over 300
million.

The question remains: When the world demand for oil drops dramatically,
which is predicted, where will the money come from to continue paying for
these programs? Norway has evolved a whole population dependent on the
"system" for their welfare. When the system collapses, what then?

I think it is erroneous to try to compare Norway's approach to social
welfare and that possible in the USA.
Two, completely different situations.

Eisboch