On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:21:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 20, 10:17*pm, wrote:
On Apr 20, 11:12 pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:





On Apr 20, 9:49 pm, wrote:

Went to buy some *stainless 1/4-20 wingnuts from Home Depot for my
boat (Tolman Skiff). *All thjey had were some really crappy looking
ones. *Sure enough, made in China. *I threw them back on the shelf
figuring they were probably pot metal. *Cannot trust Chinese made
stuff. *Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. *They cost a lot
more but I know they are real SS.
Th cheapo Chinese stuff really costs a LOT more than the US made stuff
if you figure you will likely need to replace the Chinese stuff.
Besides, when I am offshore, I want to be sure my boat will stay
together. *My life is worth paying a little more.

Chinese tool quality has come up quite a bit in the past 10-15 years
but I haven't dealt with their fasteners yet, all of the nails and
screws I use are Made in USA. I agree with your point about
replacement being an issue and with a boat, going with the best you
can find is very important. Has anyone else here used Chinese boat
stuff?

The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at Ace
were $1.10 EACH. *Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
will not put chinese crap on my boat.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

$1.10? i think that's plenty, but when you think about it, it really
isn't that high for quality stainless. At least you know they arn't
going to have their plating turn to corrosion, then powder, then rust
the first month left out in the humidity.

Well, I've gotten some of these "higher" quality SS fasteners and they
are magnetic - which means they will rust.

On Apr 21, 5:13*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:21:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:





On Apr 20, 10:17*pm, wrote:
On Apr 20, 11:12 pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:

On Apr 20, 9:49 pm, wrote:

Went to buy some *stainless 1/4-20 wingnuts from Home Depot for my
boat (Tolman Skiff). *All thjey had were some really crappy looking
ones. *Sure enough, made in China. *I threw them back on the shelf
figuring they were probably pot metal. *Cannot trust Chinese made
stuff. *Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. *They cost a lot
more but I know they are real SS.
Th cheapo Chinese stuff really costs a LOT more than the US made stuff
if you figure you will likely need to replace the Chinese stuff.
Besides, when I am offshore, I want to be sure my boat will stay
together. *My life is worth paying a little more.

Chinese tool quality has come up quite a bit in the past 10-15 years
but I haven't dealt with their fasteners yet, all of the nails and
screws I use are Made in USA. I agree with your point about
replacement being an issue and with a boat, going with the best you
can find is very important. Has anyone else here used Chinese boat
stuff?

The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at Ace
were $1.10 EACH. *Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
will not put chinese crap on my boat.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

$1.10? i think that's plenty, but when you think about it, it *really
isn't that high for quality stainless. At least you know they arn't
going to have their plating turn to corrosion, then powder, then rust
the first month left out in the humidity.

Well, I've gotten some of these "higher" quality SS fasteners and they
are magnetic - which means they will rust.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

evidently not higher quality enough.

surgical wingnuts?

hmmm, could their be a market for them?

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:22:33 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:06:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Apr 21, 5:13*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
|wrote:
| On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:21:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
| wrote:
|
|
|
|
|
| On Apr 20, 10:17*pm, wrote:
| On Apr 20, 11:12 pm, "David E. Powell"
| wrote:
|
| On Apr 20, 9:49 pm, wrote:
|
| Went to buy some *stainless 1/4-20 wingnuts from Home Depot for my
| boat (Tolman Skiff). *All thjey had were some really crappy looking
| ones. *Sure enough, made in China. *I threw them back on the shelf
| figuring they were probably pot metal. *Cannot trust Chinese made
| stuff. *Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. *They cost a lot
| more but I know they are real SS.
| Th cheapo Chinese stuff really costs a LOT more than the US made stuff
| if you figure you will likely need to replace the Chinese stuff.
| Besides, when I am offshore, I want to be sure my boat will stay
| together. *My life is worth paying a little more.
|
| Chinese tool quality has come up quite a bit in the past 10-15 years
| but I haven't dealt with their fasteners yet, all of the nails and
| screws I use are Made in USA. I agree with your point about
| replacement being an issue and with a boat, going with the best you
| can find is very important. Has anyone else here used Chinese boat
| stuff?
|
| The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at Ace
| were $1.10 EACH. *Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
| will not put chinese crap on my boat.- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
| $1.10? i think that's plenty, but when you think about it, it *really
| isn't that high for quality stainless. At least you know they arn't
| going to have their plating turn to corrosion, then powder, then rust
| the first month left out in the humidity.
|
| Well, I've gotten some of these "higher" quality SS fasteners and they
| are magnetic - which means they will rust.- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
|evidently not higher quality enough.
|
|surgical wingnuts?
|
|hmmm, could their be a market for them?

They may be a more expensive grade of stainless... stronger, but in
the real world you can't get something for nothing and sometimes
corrosion resistance is forsaken for a higher tensile strength.....

You know, that's a good point.

On Apr 21, 10:58*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:22:33 -0400, Gene Kearns





wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:06:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Apr 21, 5:13*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
|wrote:
| On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:21:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
| wrote:
|
|
|
|
|
| On Apr 20, 10:17*pm, wrote:
| On Apr 20, 11:12 pm, "David E. Powell"
| wrote:
|
| On Apr 20, 9:49 pm, wrote:
|
| Went to buy some *stainless 1/4-20 wingnuts from Home Depot for my
| boat (Tolman Skiff). *All thjey had were some really crappy looking
| ones. *Sure enough, made in China. *I threw them back on the shelf
| figuring they were probably pot metal. *Cannot trust Chinese made
| stuff. *Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. *They cost a lot
| more but I know they are real SS.
| Th cheapo Chinese stuff really costs a LOT more than the US made stuff
| if you figure you will likely need to replace the Chinese stuff..
| Besides, when I am offshore, I want to be sure my boat will stay
| together. *My life is worth paying a little more.
|
| Chinese tool quality has come up quite a bit in the past 10-15 years
| but I haven't dealt with their fasteners yet, all of the nails and
| screws I use are Made in USA. I agree with your point about
| replacement being an issue and with a boat, going with the best you
| can find is very important. Has anyone else here used Chinese boat
| stuff?
|
| The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at Ace
| were $1.10 EACH. *Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
| will not put chinese crap on my boat.- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
| $1.10? i think that's plenty, but when you think about it, it *really
| isn't that high for quality stainless. At least you know they arn't
| going to have their plating turn to corrosion, then powder, then rust
| the first month left out in the humidity.
|
| Well, I've gotten some of these "higher" quality SS fasteners and they
| are magnetic - which means they will rust.- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
|evidently not higher quality enough.
|
|surgical wingnuts?
|
|hmmm, could their be a market for them?

They may be a more expensive grade of stainless... stronger, but in
the real world you can't get something for nothing and sometimes
corrosion resistance is forsaken for a higher tensile strength.....

You know, that's a good point.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

very good point, indeed!

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:22:33 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:06:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Apr 21, 5:13 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
|wrote:
| On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:21:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
| wrote:
|
|
|
|
|
| On Apr 20, 10:17 pm, wrote:
| On Apr 20, 11:12 pm, "David E. Powell"
| wrote:
|
| On Apr 20, 9:49 pm, wrote:
|
| Went to buy some stainless 1/4-20 wingnuts from Home Depot for
my
| boat (Tolman Skiff). All thjey had were some really crappy
looking
| ones. Sure enough, made in China. I threw them back on the shelf
| figuring they were probably pot metal. Cannot trust Chinese made
| stuff. Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. They cost a lot
| more but I know they are real SS.
| Th cheapo Chinese stuff really costs a LOT more than the US made
stuff
| if you figure you will likely need to replace the Chinese stuff.
| Besides, when I am offshore, I want to be sure my boat will stay
| together. My life is worth paying a little more.
|
| Chinese tool quality has come up quite a bit in the past 10-15
years
| but I haven't dealt with their fasteners yet, all of the nails and
| screws I use are Made in USA. I agree with your point about
| replacement being an issue and with a boat, going with the best
you
| can find is very important. Has anyone else here used Chinese boat
| stuff?
|
| The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at
Ace
| were $1.10 EACH. Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
| will not put chinese crap on my boat.- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
| $1.10? i think that's plenty, but when you think about it, it really
| isn't that high for quality stainless. At least you know they arn't
| going to have their plating turn to corrosion, then powder, then rust
| the first month left out in the humidity.
|
| Well, I've gotten some of these "higher" quality SS fasteners and they
| are magnetic - which means they will rust.- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
|evidently not higher quality enough.
|
|surgical wingnuts?
|
|hmmm, could their be a market for them?

They may be a more expensive grade of stainless... stronger, but in
the real world you can't get something for nothing and sometimes
corrosion resistance is forsaken for a higher tensile strength.....

You know, that's a good point.

You do have a good point, but it's messing your hair. 8-)

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:06:33 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:22:33 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:06:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Apr 21, 5:13 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
|wrote:
| On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:21:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
| wrote:
|
|
|
|
|
| On Apr 20, 10:17 pm, wrote:
| On Apr 20, 11:12 pm, "David E. Powell"
| wrote:
|
| On Apr 20, 9:49 pm, wrote:
|
| Went to buy some stainless 1/4-20 wingnuts from Home Depot for
my
| boat (Tolman Skiff). All thjey had were some really crappy
looking
| ones. Sure enough, made in China. I threw them back on the shelf
| figuring they were probably pot metal. Cannot trust Chinese made
| stuff. Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. They cost a lot
| more but I know they are real SS.
| Th cheapo Chinese stuff really costs a LOT more than the US made
stuff
| if you figure you will likely need to replace the Chinese stuff.
| Besides, when I am offshore, I want to be sure my boat will stay
| together. My life is worth paying a little more.
|
| Chinese tool quality has come up quite a bit in the past 10-15
years
| but I haven't dealt with their fasteners yet, all of the nails and
| screws I use are Made in USA. I agree with your point about
| replacement being an issue and with a boat, going with the best
you
| can find is very important. Has anyone else here used Chinese boat
| stuff?
|
| The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at
Ace
| were $1.10 EACH. Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
| will not put chinese crap on my boat.- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
| $1.10? i think that's plenty, but when you think about it, it really
| isn't that high for quality stainless. At least you know they arn't
| going to have their plating turn to corrosion, then powder, then rust
| the first month left out in the humidity.
|
| Well, I've gotten some of these "higher" quality SS fasteners and they
| are magnetic - which means they will rust.- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
|evidently not higher quality enough.
|
|surgical wingnuts?
|
|hmmm, could their be a market for them?

They may be a more expensive grade of stainless... stronger, but in
the real world you can't get something for nothing and sometimes
corrosion resistance is forsaken for a higher tensile strength.....

You know, that's a good point.

You do have a good point, but it's messing your hair. 8-)

Mess this Hair Boy. :)

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:21:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 20, 10:17 pm, wrote:
On Apr 20, 11:12 pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:





On Apr 20, 9:49 pm, wrote:

Went to buy some stainless 1/4-20 wingnuts from Home Depot for my
boat (Tolman Skiff). All thjey had were some really crappy looking
ones. Sure enough, made in China. I threw them back on the shelf
figuring they were probably pot metal. Cannot trust Chinese made
stuff. Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. They cost a lot
more but I know they are real SS.
Th cheapo Chinese stuff really costs a LOT more than the US made
stuff
if you figure you will likely need to replace the Chinese stuff.
Besides, when I am offshore, I want to be sure my boat will stay
together. My life is worth paying a little more.

Chinese tool quality has come up quite a bit in the past 10-15 years
but I haven't dealt with their fasteners yet, all of the nails and
screws I use are Made in USA. I agree with your point about
replacement being an issue and with a boat, going with the best you
can find is very important. Has anyone else here used Chinese boat
stuff?

The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at Ace
were $1.10 EACH. Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
will not put chinese crap on my boat.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

$1.10? i think that's plenty, but when you think about it, it really
isn't that high for quality stainless. At least you know they arn't
going to have their plating turn to corrosion, then powder, then rust
the first month left out in the humidity.

Well, I've gotten some of these "higher" quality SS fasteners and they
are magnetic - which means they will rust.

Not necessarily. Lots of stainless is magnetic. Austenite is the only one
not magnetic and it can become magnetic when cold worked. Also even 310
will rust if heated red hot and then cooled. Lets the carbides precipitate
out. I have a very nice stainless gazing ball stand I made for SWMBO.
Where I had to heat it to get some tight bends, it does show some rust.

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:53:24 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:21:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 20, 10:17 pm, wrote:
On Apr 20, 11:12 pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:





On Apr 20, 9:49 pm, wrote:

Went to buy some stainless 1/4-20 wingnuts from Home Depot for my
boat (Tolman Skiff). All thjey had were some really crappy looking
ones. Sure enough, made in China. I threw them back on the shelf
figuring they were probably pot metal. Cannot trust Chinese made
stuff. Went to Ace and bought some US made ones. They cost a lot
more but I know they are real SS.
Th cheapo Chinese stuff really costs a LOT more than the US made
stuff
if you figure you will likely need to replace the Chinese stuff.
Besides, when I am offshore, I want to be sure my boat will stay
together. My life is worth paying a little more.

Chinese tool quality has come up quite a bit in the past 10-15 years
but I haven't dealt with their fasteners yet, all of the nails and
screws I use are Made in USA. I agree with your point about
replacement being an issue and with a boat, going with the best you
can find is very important. Has anyone else here used Chinese boat
stuff?

The Chinese ones were $1.20 for a dozen while the USA made ones at Ace
were $1.10 EACH. Yeah, I got ripped off but I needed them NOW and
will not put chinese crap on my boat.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

$1.10? i think that's plenty, but when you think about it, it really
isn't that high for quality stainless. At least you know they arn't
going to have their plating turn to corrosion, then powder, then rust
the first month left out in the humidity.

Well, I've gotten some of these "higher" quality SS fasteners and they
are magnetic - which means they will rust.

Not necessarily. Lots of stainless is magnetic. Austenite is the only one
not magnetic and it can become magnetic when cold worked. Also even 310
will rust if heated red hot and then cooled. Lets the carbides precipitate
out. I have a very nice stainless gazing ball stand I made for SWMBO.
Where I had to heat it to get some tight bends, it does show some rust.

Didn't know that, but these screws were never cold worked that I know
of - supposedly not anyway.

The odd thing is that the original screws/bolts/etc are not magnetic -
the rusted ones are.

I am not sure what ACE hardware store you buy from, but I manage the hardware department of one and I have never charged a $1.10 + for a stainless steel wingnut (1/4-20). We stock Hillman Fasteners in bulk and I would say (not at work right this minute) that at the most they might price at @ $0.45 each. We offer a huge selection of bulk fasteners and yes they do cost more - but our key is that we have hardware the Big Box stores can't even contemplate stocking. We sell by the piece or by the box (with a discount of 20% for full boxes). Charging a bit more allows us to afford to stock such a large variety...

Andy

p.s., Sorry folks, we don't ship... lol

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:03:59 +0100, Andym
wrote:

I am not sure what ACE hardware store you buy from, but I manage the
hardware department of one and I have never charged a $1.10 + for a
stainless steel wingnut (1/4-20).

ACE hardware - Danielson, CT - $1.15.