"HK" wrote in message
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Tim wrote:

i just talked to a friend fo mine in the diesel refit business. now
this is automotive form, but a brand new (non-reman) 5.9 Cummins for
the Dodge PU's are about $5500.00 USD.

So I'd say that even if something drastic would happen, for the engine
itself, I'd say that $8000, in marine form would be about right. Of
course, labor not included.



I'd love to see that sort of price on a new Cummins 5.9 TD for marine use.
I would think it closer to somewhere between $15,000 and $20,000.
I doubt you can buy a 90 hp outboard for $8000 these days.



From talking to Bob Smith at American Diesel, it all depends on what you
buy. If you want a completely new engine, including all the bolt-ons, you
pay a high price. If you buy a short or long block and re-use the
bolt-ons, the price is considerably less.

It's ok though. Tim's gonna contribute to the cost in the event of a
thrown rod or something ..... :-)

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..


Tim wrote:
i just talked to a friend fo mine in the diesel refit business. now
this is automotive form, but a brand new (non-reman) 5.9 Cummins for
the Dodge PU's are about $5500.00 USD.

So I'd say that even if something drastic would happen, for the engine
itself, I'd say that $8000, in marine form would be about right. Of
course, labor not included.



I'd love to see that sort of price on a new Cummins 5.9 TD for marine use.
I would think it closer to somewhere between $15,000 and $20,000.
I doubt you can buy a 90 hp outboard for $8000 these days.



From talking to Bob Smith at American Diesel, it all depends on what you
buy. If you want a completely new engine, including all the bolt-ons, you
pay a high price. If you buy a short or long block and re-use the
bolt-ons, the price is considerably less.

It's ok though. Tim's gonna contribute to the cost in the event of a
thrown rod or something ..... :-)

Eisboch




I'll be glad to put up a half a sawbuck.

On Apr 8, 4:38*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

. ..

Tim wrote:

i just talked to a friend fo mine in the diesel refit business. now
this is automotive form, but a brand new (non-reman) 5.9 Cummins for
the Dodge PU's are about $5500.00 USD.

So I'd say that even if something drastic would happen, for the engine
itself, I'd say that $8000, in marine form would be about right. Of
course, labor not included.
I'd love to see that sort of price on a new Cummins 5.9 TD for marine use.
I would think it closer to somewhere between $15,000 and $20,000.
I doubt you can buy a 90 hp outboard for $8000 these days.

From talking to Bob Smith at American Diesel, it all depends on what you
buy. *If you want a completely new engine, including all the bolt-ons, you
pay a high price. * If you buy a short or long block and re-use the
bolt-ons, the price is considerably less.

That's what I was talking about. Engine w/o bolt/ons.


It's ok though. * Tim's gonna contribute to the cost in the event of a
thrown rod or something ..... * *:-)

Eisboch

i got a quarter for you to call someone who cares.......

LOL!


BTW, further icing on the cake. This same engine series is used in
lots of farm machinery. Case/IH, actually Case Tractor Company started
using this engine back in the mid 80's in their 2590 series tractors.
And yes, it's not unusual to get 6- 8000 hrs of rough, dirty field
work out of one before needing a "major". Oh BTW, the Cummins engine
in question really isn't a "Cummins", It was developed by
"Consoledated Diesel" which is the joint development susidary of
Cummins, and Case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cummins_B_Series_engine

On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:58:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

BTW, further icing on the cake. This same engine series is used in
lots of farm machinery. Case/IH, actually Case Tractor Company started
using this engine back in the mid 80's in their 2590 series tractors.
And yes, it's not unusual to get 6- 8000 hrs of rough, dirty field
work out of one before needing a "major". Oh BTW, the Cummins engine
in question really isn't a "Cummins", It was developed by
"Consoledated Diesel" which is the joint development susidary of
Cummins, and Case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cummins_B_Series_engine

It's a good engine, but the Czechoslovakian engines used in McCormick
and Zetor tractors beat the snot out of that Consolidated engine.

You guys out there seeing any of the new Zetor or McCormick tractors?

Nice machines.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:58:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

BTW, further icing on the cake. This same engine series is used in
lots of farm machinery. Case/IH, actually Case Tractor Company started
using this engine back in the mid 80's in their 2590 series tractors.
And yes, it's not unusual to get 6- 8000 hrs of rough, dirty field
work out of one before needing a "major". Oh BTW, the Cummins engine
in question really isn't a "Cummins", It was developed by
"Consoledated Diesel" which is the joint development susidary of
Cummins, and Case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cummins_B_Series_engine

It's a good engine, but the Czechoslovakian engines used in McCormick
and Zetor tractors beat the snot out of that Consolidated engine.

You guys out there seeing any of the new Zetor or McCormick tractors?

Nice machines.

Friend says they are buying Kubotas. 1/2 the price of John Deeres and in 5
years they can replace the tractor and still be ahead on the bottom line.
But he a ranch manager for large operations.

On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:58:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

BTW, further icing on the cake. This same engine series is used in
lots of farm machinery

Speaking of interesting farm machinery, Harold Foskett here in town
just picked up a couple of really interesting tractors yesterday.

One was a pre-50s 60 hp Belarus - yep, post WWII Russian tractor. No
clue as to hours, but it's a lot. He's having a crank forged and
doing a complete rebuild on the engine. He's already contracted out
the sheet metal which is a little funky. Funny thing is that the
engine appears to be part British as some of the parts are stamped in
English rather than Cyrillic. The block seems ok, he's going to
sleeve the cylinders and probably oversize them to standard size
pistons.

The second one was one I found for him - an IH Farmall F-12 with a
model-T engine in it as a retrofit. Little beastie runs great - I was
a little surprised at that when he showed me. When I found it, I
tried to start it with the crank, but couldn't get it to turn over
quickly enough. I tried towing it - nada. He picked it up, one spin
and bam - running.

~~ mutter ~~

If I get a chance, I'll post pictures of his collection of IH tractors
and trucks - it's pretty amazing.

On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 11:38:06 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Speaking of interesting farm machinery, Harold Foskett here in town
just picked up a couple of really interesting tractors yesterday.

Did you see the article in today's Wall Street Journal on tractor
collecting?

http://tinyurl.com/3jlu9e

On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 07:50:53 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 11:38:06 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Speaking of interesting farm machinery, Harold Foskett here in town
just picked up a couple of really interesting tractors yesterday.

Did you see the article in today's Wall Street Journal on tractor
collecting?

http://tinyurl.com/3jlu9e

No I didn't and it's very accurate.

For example:

I have a 1950 IH Farmall Super A wide front that was a demonstrator.
Back in those days, IH used to paint their demonstrators white instead
of IH red. After their demonstration days, they were repainted IH red
and sold to the general market.

The one I have was actually sold by Harold's father when he was the
local IH dealer here in Woodstock. It went to a farmer in Ledyard who
then sold it to a orchard grower in Foster, RI. I went to an auction
and this tractor came up last in the tractor group - I got it for
$450. :)

I brought the tractor home and power washed it to see what I'd have to
do to restore it. As I was washing it, the red paint started coming
off and the white started showing through. I knew that IH never used
white primer, but gray primer so I found the number plate and SN.

Danged if it wasn't a demonstrator. The value automatically went up a
couple of thousand dollars. I restored it to it's original white,
redid the engine and now Harold has it in storage and takes it around
to various tractor shows for me.

I've had some really good offers for it from collectors, although you
don't find many "civilians" who know what it is. And Harold was good
enough to go through his father's records and gave me the original
bill of sale so I have proof it was a demonstrator.