"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 06:14:46 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

My only real concern is the engine hours. Turns out there are about 3900
hours on the Cummins 6BT5.9-M turbo-diesels. The engines are very clean
and
obviously well maintained, but I don't know how well these particular
engines hold up.

That's a lot of hours for turbos. Even if very well maintained and
presently in perfect condition, there is a rebuild or replacement
somewhere down the road, maybe at 5,000 to 6,000 hours. On the other
hand, if you don't plan any extensive cruising north/south, they might
last you quite a while. I'd get them checked out *very* carefully and
build some maintenance $$$s into your offering price.


I did. I am not trying to low ball the seller (not my style) but I made
what I consider to be a reasonable, informal "verbal" offer with
consideration to the hours on the engines only. The rest of the stuff I
can deal with. The seller is thinking it over.

I'll have them rigorously tested and inspected if we proceed, probably by
DePaul Diesel Service out of Portsmouth, RI. They did the inspection on
the Navigator sea trial and I was impressed with their procedures.

It's more likely than not that my future "boating" will consist of less than
100 hours a year underway. Like you, I assumed a rebuild at about 5000
hours is probably about right. That means about 11 years or more. Good
enough. If the boat and I last that long, it will be worth it.

Eisboch

On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:27:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I'll have them rigorously tested and inspected if we proceed, probably by
DePaul Diesel Service out of Portsmouth, RI.

Not that you asked for my opinion, but those guys are the best.

Seriously.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:27:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I'll have them rigorously tested and inspected if we proceed, probably by
DePaul Diesel Service out of Portsmouth, RI.

Not that you asked for my opinion, but those guys are the best.

Seriously.


Having witnessed another diesel "surveyor" who basically took an oil
sample, documented the engine serial numbers and checked the oil level, I
agree.

The guys from DePaul really exercised, tested, took readings, etc. of the
engines during the Navigator sea trial.
They even dynamically check things like the engine mounts by having the
operator fairly rapidly go from full forward, to idle, to reverse and then
almost full power again. Several times. Made the hair on my neck stand
up.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:27:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I'll have them rigorously tested and inspected if we proceed, probably
by
DePaul Diesel Service out of Portsmouth, RI.

Not that you asked for my opinion, but those guys are the best.

Seriously.


Having witnessed another diesel "surveyor" who basically took an oil
sample, documented the engine serial numbers and checked the oil level, I
agree.

The guys from DePaul really exercised, tested, took readings, etc. of the
engines during the Navigator sea trial.
They even dynamically check things like the engine mounts by having the
operator fairly rapidly go from full forward, to idle, to reverse and then
almost full power again. Several times. Made the hair on my neck stand
up.

Eisboch


BTW .... I got an email from Dennis at DePaul this morning. He didn't seem
to be that concerned about 3900 hours on the Cummins 5.9L turbo diesels.
He told me they just pulled the same engine out of a 73' sailboat, checked
it out then re-installed it in a commercial lobster boat. It had over 7000
hours on it and still ran fine.

Eisboch

On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:08:08 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
news

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:27:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I'll have them rigorously tested and inspected if we proceed, probably
by
DePaul Diesel Service out of Portsmouth, RI.

Not that you asked for my opinion, but those guys are the best.

Seriously.


Having witnessed another diesel "surveyor" who basically took an oil
sample, documented the engine serial numbers and checked the oil level, I
agree.

The guys from DePaul really exercised, tested, took readings, etc. of the
engines during the Navigator sea trial.
They even dynamically check things like the engine mounts by having the
operator fairly rapidly go from full forward, to idle, to reverse and then
almost full power again. Several times. Made the hair on my neck stand
up.

BTW .... I got an email from Dennis at DePaul this morning. He didn't seem
to be that concerned about 3900 hours on the Cummins 5.9L turbo diesels.
He told me they just pulled the same engine out of a 73' sailboat, checked
it out then re-installed it in a commercial lobster boat. It had over 7000
hours on it and still ran fine.

A lot of contractors around here have Dodge pickups with that same
Cummins engine design - I don't know if the marinized version is that
much different, but most of them have a lot of hours and time on them
with little or no problems. From my perspective, they are a lot
noisier than International diesels, but that doesn't mean they aren't
good engines.

Food for thought.

On Apr 8, 12:03*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:ca5nv315o0qlp178bt7qnlkkg3k8p59518@4ax .com...

On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:27:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I'll *have them rigorously tested and inspected if we proceed, probably by
DePaul Diesel Service out of Portsmouth, RI.

Not that you asked for my opinion, but those guys are the best.

Seriously.

Having witnessed another diesel "surveyor" *who basically took an oil
sample, documented the engine serial numbers and checked the oil level, I
agree.

The guys from DePaul really exercised, tested, took readings, etc. of the
engines during the Navigator sea trial.
They even dynamically check things like the engine mounts by having the
operator fairly rapidly go from full forward, to idle, to reverse and then
almost full power again. * Several times. * Made the hair on my neck stand
up.

Eisboch

I understand that feeling! When I worked on my cousin's race cars and
we'd take a motor to the shop and have them dyno it, it did the same
thing to me!