On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:17:31 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
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I happen to think that there is a difference between consensual sex
between adults and cheating on your wife with a hired hooker.

I was discussing the legalities, and the absurdities of prosecuting adults
who engage in consensual sex. You are discussing something else entirely.
If Spitzer used only his own money to mess around, the issue should be one
only he and his family should have to resolve. If public funds are
involved, it is a different matter.

We've progressed to a society of semantics and qualifying what "it" means.
Personally, I could care less if someone hires a hooker. Big Deal.
But, I lose all respect for someone who cheats on his or her spouse in doing
so.
It has something to do with believing in commitments and honesty.

We have reached a state in this country where morals have been
replaced by ideology.

Think about that for a minute.

In effect, if one's ideology matches that of the miscreant, then one
can justify the action by using moral ambiguity as a justification.
Ideology trumps morals.

It's a sad state of affairs.

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Consensual - you know - both parties agree. They consent. The
standard
definition. What do you think consensual means? :)


I think I'll reconsider our personal value system and encourage our
kids
that:

Extramarital sex is fun and ok ..... as long as it is consensual.
Forget
the vows and commitments you made to each other.
Drugs are fun and ok ..... as long as everyone in the family agrees.
Introduce your 12 year old to the pleasures.
Lying and cheating is ok .... as long as it only serves your personal
agenda.

In other words, become a Democrat.

Eisboch


This behavior seems normal if you are a swinger like Harry. This guy
really gives me the creeps.


Are you projecting again? Why would you think I was a "swinger," because
I am not upset by adult expressions of sexuality?
No, that's not it. I don't think you can tell the difference between
right and wrong.


Ahh, well. That's your problem, not mine.

Wrong again. It was probably back in the sixties when the oil leaked out of
your moral compass. It's been spinning out of control ever since. The
difference between you and many other people that had that problem back then
is that most of em got their compass fixed and you didn't.
And that's your problem.

"BAR" wrote in message
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HK wrote:
Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:40:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

why most of the major media refuse to mention that Spitzer is a
Democrat,
although the party affiliation is mentioned ad nauseum when a
Republican is
involved in a sex scandal.

It couldn't be media bias, could it?

http://tinyurl.com/2c3kms

The undereducated must never know the truth, else the Democrats may
lose
their base.

Got a better one for you.

Go to Detroit news - paper, TV - whatever, and find what political
affiliation the mayor of Detroit is.

Oh - the reason?

He's involved with the murder a hooker.

And covering/obstructing the investigation.


Republicans involved in these scandals are identified by political party
because the GOP likes to identify itself as the party of "family values,"
and since it obviously is not, it is interesting to point out the various
sexual adventures of "family value" conservatives/Republicans. My
favorite exposes involve conservative/Republicans and gays.

One can only conclude, by your statments above, that the Democrat party
has no values, none, nada, zip. Is that correct.

Throw the bar on the floor, then everything we do will be above the bar
aren't a great party, that's the Democrats.



Democrats are less likely to suggest that people live like families which
only exist in books written for toddlers.

"BAR" wrote in message
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jamesgangnc wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
news
why most of the major media refuse to mention that Spitzer is a
Democrat,
although the party affiliation is mentioned ad nauseum when a Republican
is
involved in a sex scandal.

It couldn't be media bias, could it?

http://tinyurl.com/2c3kms

The undereducated must never know the truth, else the Democrats may lose
their base.
--
John

He paid for a hooker. bfd Misdemeaner most places.

Speeding is illegal and nobody much cares about it until some gets killed.
Does that mean that we should stop enforcing the speeding laws?



Did Spitzer's actions result in someone's death?

You need to find another analogy, Blurt.

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"HK" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Consensual - you know - both parties agree. They consent. The
standard
definition. What do you think consensual means? :)


I think I'll reconsider our personal value system and encourage
our kids
that:

Extramarital sex is fun and ok ..... as long as it is consensual.
Forget
the vows and commitments you made to each other.
Drugs are fun and ok ..... as long as everyone in the family agrees.
Introduce your 12 year old to the pleasures.
Lying and cheating is ok .... as long as it only serves your personal
agenda.

In other words, become a Democrat.

Eisboch


This behavior seems normal if you are a swinger like Harry. This
guy really gives me the creeps.


Are you projecting again? Why would you think I was a "swinger,"
because I am not upset by adult expressions of sexuality?
No, that's not it. I don't think you can tell the difference between
right and wrong.


Ahh, well. That's your problem, not mine.

Wrong again. It was probably back in the sixties when the oil leaked out
of your moral compass. It's been spinning out of control ever since. The
difference between you and many other people that had that problem back
then is that most of em got their compass fixed and you didn't.
And that's your problem.


You are quite the funny guy. It's always amusing when right wingers make
moral pronouncements about others.

HK wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:40:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

why most of the major media refuse to mention that Spitzer is a
Democrat,
although the party affiliation is mentioned ad nauseum when a
Republican is
involved in a sex scandal.

It couldn't be media bias, could it?

http://tinyurl.com/2c3kms

The undereducated must never know the truth, else the Democrats
may lose
their base.
Got a better one for you.

Go to Detroit news - paper, TV - whatever, and find what political
affiliation the mayor of Detroit is.

Oh - the reason?

He's involved with the murder a hooker.

And covering/obstructing the investigation.

Republicans involved in these scandals are identified by political
party because the GOP likes to identify itself as the party of
"family values," and since it obviously is not, it is interesting
to point out the various sexual adventures of "family value"
conservatives/Republicans. My favorite exposes involve
conservative/Republicans and gays.
One can only conclude, by your statments above, that the Democrat
party has no values, none, nada, zip. Is that correct.

Throw the bar on the floor, then everything we do will be above the
bar aren't a great party, that's the Democrats.


I don't believe that sexual relationships between consenting adults
is the business of anyone other than the adults involved in the
relationship.

I don't take seriously any of "morality" crap as exuded by "family
value" conservatives/Republicans. It's all the height of hypocrisy.

.Hypocrisy you say. Spitzer is the poster boy for that trait.


Indeed he is. But that isn't illegal, usually.


But paying for a hooker and financially supporting an illegal business is.

"HK" wrote in message
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D.Duck wrote:
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Well, in that case, I offer up The Bush Administration. Pure hypocrisy,
no ethics or morals.

I win.

I don't know about that. The issues discussed in the Duck's link
earlier this morning suggest that Bush and Cheney have a plan far beyond
that imaginable by their critics.

Eisboch

Oh, oh, look out below, incoming. 8-)


I missed that gem.


http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

Grab a cup of coffee. It will take a while to read.

Eisboch

"Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote in message
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HK wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:40:23 -0500, John H.
wrote:

why most of the major media refuse to mention that Spitzer is a
Democrat,
although the party affiliation is mentioned ad nauseum when a
Republican is
involved in a sex scandal.

It couldn't be media bias, could it?

http://tinyurl.com/2c3kms

The undereducated must never know the truth, else the Democrats may
lose
their base.
Got a better one for you.

Go to Detroit news - paper, TV - whatever, and find what political
affiliation the mayor of Detroit is.

Oh - the reason?

He's involved with the murder a hooker.

And covering/obstructing the investigation.

Republicans involved in these scandals are identified by political
party because the GOP likes to identify itself as the party of
"family values," and since it obviously is not, it is interesting to
point out the various sexual adventures of "family value"
conservatives/Republicans. My favorite exposes involve
conservative/Republicans and gays.
One can only conclude, by your statments above, that the Democrat
party has no values, none, nada, zip. Is that correct.

Throw the bar on the floor, then everything we do will be above the
bar aren't a great party, that's the Democrats.


I don't believe that sexual relationships between consenting adults is
the business of anyone other than the adults involved in the
relationship.

I don't take seriously any of "morality" crap as exuded by "family
value" conservatives/Republicans. It's all the height of hypocrisy.

.Hypocrisy you say. Spitzer is the poster boy for that trait.


Indeed he is. But that isn't illegal, usually.


But paying for a hooker and financially supporting an illegal business is.


Not illegal everywhere, and that's why most cops are smart enough to not
obsess about it. If a law enforcement agency puts a lot of attention into it
on occasion, it's almost always for some other reason.

Everyone knows that.

"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

So a politician who is dishonest enough to cheat on his wife should
otherwise be trusted by the rest of the public?

Eisboch


Too hard and fast. We have a president who "cheats on the public," which
is probably more significant of an offense.

I think Spitzer is suffering from some sort of personality disorder, maybe
bipolar. I'm not excusing his behavior, but it might explain his high
level of risk-taking.

He's suffering a severe case of pompousness, combined with a dishonest
character.
The more we find excuses for these people, the more they will breed.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

So a politician who is dishonest enough to cheat on his wife should
otherwise be trusted by the rest of the public?

Eisboch


Too hard and fast. We have a president who "cheats on the public," which
is probably more significant of an offense.

I think Spitzer is suffering from some sort of personality disorder,
maybe bipolar. I'm not excusing his behavior, but it might explain his
high level of risk-taking.

He's suffering a severe case of pompousness, combined with a dishonest
character.
The more we find excuses for these people, the more they will breed.

Eisboch


I agree.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...g?t=1205332752

These people need to do a better job of hiding.