|
$100.88
On Feb 28, 7:58Â*am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Feb 28, 3:41 am, BAR wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Feb 27, 5:05�pm, "Sam" wrote: While I think it already is a free and competitive market, what changes would you propose?- Hide quoted text - The same measures that were taken against other vertically integrated oligarchies in the past. Power, phone, water, etc. [ Big Snip ] You want prices controls and regulation. Don't be so deliberately dense. Read instead of react. I'm sure you *snipped* it before you read it.......after all you've got Limbaugh and the rest of your trainers to tell you how liberals think, so why bother? Since you didn't bother to read before you reacted emotionally here, I'll repeat. What I would like to see would be meaningful competition at all level of the distribution process, an no more winks, nods, and reach arounds by the three main bedfellows. Why don't we limit profit to 1% on everything. One percent profit should be enough shouldn't it? I have no idea where you come up with some zany crap like that. It has no relevance to anything I posted here. Why do you believe in a free market when it comes to selling boats and cars but not when it comes to selling oil. Hello in there........ I am calling for the same kind of free market thta *does* exist when it comes to selling boats and cars and *doesn't* exist when it comes to selling oil. If you want the car business to adopt the oil company model, you would need to start by eliminating all of the independently owned new car dealerships across the country and make them "factory outlets". The auto factories occupy a similar space in the distribution chain that the refineries do, so you would really need to have the auto factories bought up by big steel producers, and you would need to eliminate the 1000,s of subcontracting companies that currently contribute to the construction of a car or truck. There's a very active free market in the auto and boat industries, due in part to the fact that new cars and new boats are always in competition with used products as well as new cars and boats built by other manufacturers. New boat companies start up every year. Most don't last all that long, but they start up nonetheless. When was the last time somebody started a new oil company? What I want to know is why is gasoline at the pump so cheap compared to the cost of a bbl of crude? When oil was $50 a bbl we were paying $3 per gallon of gas and now that oil is $100 a bbl we are still paying $3 per gallon. Why? Because there is no direct correlation between the price of refined products and the price of crude oil. They only thing they have in common is the same company is making money at every step of the distribution process. Can you spell "ENRON"? Chuck, If you really researched the oil industry, you would see that your understanding of the industry and your understanding of the competition that exist in the industry is way too simplistic and does not reflect the real world in any shape or form. Â*It reminds me of the simplistic comments I have heard the few times I have listened to right or left wing radio shows.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Whatever level of competition exists in the oil industry, it is inadequate to create a truly competitive market. During the spring of 2007, refined products went up substantially while the cost of a bbl of oil went down. Not a single company elected to pass this savings in the cost of raw material along to the final consumer; but in a truly competitive market that is *exactly* what would have happened. I believe that under all the smoke and mirrors employed to create the illusion of a complex and competitive market you will find a very few vertically integrated companies comprising an oligarchy. |
$100.88
On Feb 28, 10:50*am, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Feb 28, 9:01 am, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message ... On Feb 27, 1:28 pm, wrote: On Feb 27, 1:00 pm, hkrause wrote: D-unit wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message ... The price of a bbl of oil last night. Average retail price for a gallon of unleaded regular, in this state, is now $3.35. That's up 85-cents from the same time last year. Premium typically runs about 30 cents more. The annual spring price gouge we have endured each of the last several years should be getting underway very soon, as the refiners all claim to be passing along the costs of converting from winter to summer formulations. The challenge for boaters who don't care and say, "We can afford to pay for fuel, regardless of the cost", will be the disappearing infrastructure. When the working man has to give up boating because he can't afford to fuel up for a weekend's outing, it guts the infrastructure that everybody depends on. Without the critical mass of the small boaters, many of the service businesses and retailers upon which the entire boating community relies cannot remain in business. There is less justification for the state to set aside marine parks or otherwise prioritize boating recreation. I wish I had a solution. I don't. But when poor families are facing a "heat or eat" decision every week while BIGOILCO makes $40-billion profits it's possible to see the human tragedy in play, even without being able to identify a solution. And this is with a gasoline surplus.. Just wait till supplies run low. Ouch. db No mystery here...just bend over for Big Oil and its facilitators in the Bush Administration.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Did you ever think our enemies who seem to control the oil and terrorism have nothing to do with this? It is a fact that you can not dispute that these terrorist regimes want to raise the prices and make the repubs look bad and get voted out of office. After all, repubs shoot back when we are attacked, dems talk....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Take a look at historical data and you'll see something astonishing. It seems that talking works! All that happens when we think we are going after the "enemy" is **** them off. After all, it doesn't make very good business sense at all. Think about it. What if, say, you were making widgets and I was the sole manufacturer of the number one component that those widgets needed to operate. Would you think I'd be more than likely to work with you, monetarily wise if you were decent to me, or if you ****ed me off? Can you spell A bomb?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There's the compassionate conservative christian way! ============================ How many American lives did it save when WWII ended?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Gee, I don't know, do you? Perhaps none. |
$100.88
On Feb 28, 4:57�am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:46:23 -0500, BAR wrote: D.Duck wrote: "BAR" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: On Feb 27, 5:05?pm, "Sam" wrote: While I think it already is a free and competitive market, what changes would you propose?- Hide quoted text - The same measures that were taken against other vertically integrated oligarchies in the past. Power, phone, water, etc. [ Big Snip ] You want prices controls and regulation. Why don't we limit profit to 1% on everything. One percent profit should be enough shouldn't it? Why do you believe in a free market when it comes to selling boats and cars but not when it comes to selling oil. What I want to know is why is gasoline at the pump so cheap compared to the cost of a bbl of crude? When oil was $50 a bbl we were paying $3 per gallon of gas and now that oil is $100 a bbl we are still paying $3 per gallon. Why? I think you're a little off on the price of gas vs. crude. �AT $50/bbl crude gas was in the $2.00 area. �The two don't track one for one and I believe a lot of the differential is conjured up in the trading pits. Interesting reading: http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/bro...esprimer/eia1_... I am trying to find information regarding the cost of crude and the cost of gasoline for the last 20 years. http://inflationdata.com/inflation/I...l_price_co...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nice chart, but wow! Just look at how things have changed since 2006. In 2006, the oil companies were booking oil into their refineries at under $50 bbl. Now the oil companies charge themselves $100 a bbl. |
$100.88
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:47:01 -0500, BAR wrote:
wrote: On Feb 27, 6:50 pm, "Sam" wrote: wrote in message ... Take a look at historical data and you'll see something astonishing. It seems that talking works! All that happens when we think we are going after the "enemy" is **** them off. After all, it doesn't make very good business sense at all. Think about it. What if, say, you were making widgets and I was the sole manufacturer of the number one component that those widgets needed to operate. Would you think I'd be more than likely to work with you, monetarily wise if you were decent to me, or if you ****ed me off? You make no sense. Probably not, to you. The supplier of the widget part is as dependent upon the widget manufacturer as the widget manufacturer is on the supplier of the widget part. But, the manufacture of the widget part controls the negotiation. JETSON!! Of wait, that was sprockets. Sorry. |
$100.88
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:13:19 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote: Would it seem a bit excessive to create an infrastructure to store and transport refined products so you can run a filling station? Not if you are running a chain of stations, a station co-op association or your own distributorship. Who refines the products "openly traded on the commodity exchanges"? A wide range of companies who sell into the open market, highest bid gets the fuel. It's called a free market economy - anything else leads to shortages and rationing. Do you want rationing? I don't. |
$100.88
"BAR" wrote in message . .. Tax breaks and subsidies are used by government control behavior. Your behavior and that of the big oil companies it is all the same. snip... I'd rather the gov't treat them as the scoundrels they are. Lay out a new policy that benefits the consumer...if the oil companies don't like it, nationalize their holdings in the interest of national security. Ooops..one little problem...they own the politicians who make the laws. I like Tom's advice... nuke 'em all. |
$100.88
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 06:51:31 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote: On Feb 28, 3:41*am, BAR wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Feb 27, 5:05?pm, "Sam" wrote: While I think it already is a free and competitive market, what changes would you propose?- Hide quoted text - The same measures that were taken against other vertically integrated oligarchies in the past. Power, phone, water, etc. [ Big Snip ] You want prices controls and regulation. Don't be so deliberately dense. Read instead of react. I'm sure you *snipped* it before you read it.......after all you've got Limbaugh and the rest of your trainers to tell you how liberals think, so why bother? Quit using the line reserved for me on other people. I'm glad to see you're still listening to Limbaugh on a regular basis. What did he have to say about the latest Obama/Hillary debate? It looked like Russert was being very nice to Obama and not so nice to Hillary. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
$100.88
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:30:42 -0800 (PST), rhutton
wrote: On Feb 27, 11:36*am, "Don White" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message ... The price of a bbl of oil last night. Average retail price for a gallon of unleaded regular, in this state, is now $3.35. That's up 85-cents from the same time last year. Premium typically runs about 30 cents more. The annual spring price gouge we have endured each of the last several years should be getting underway very soon, as the refiners all claim to be passing along the costs of converting from winter to summer formulations. snip.. Wow...wish I could buy regular self serve for that price. At 1.18 per liter... we pay at the rate of $4.46 per US gallon Hi there! Been gone from rec boats for about 5 yrs. Moved from central IL to the west coast of FL. Hard to believe... same old crew is still bitching about the same old. And they say you can't go home again. Welcome back. Whereabouts in Florida? -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
$100.88
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:01:17 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Feb 27, 1:28 pm, wrote: On Feb 27, 1:00 pm, hkrause wrote: D-unit wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message ... The price of a bbl of oil last night. Average retail price for a gallon of unleaded regular, in this state, is now $3.35. That's up 85-cents from the same time last year. Premium typically runs about 30 cents more. The annual spring price gouge we have endured each of the last several years should be getting underway very soon, as the refiners all claim to be passing along the costs of converting from winter to summer formulations. The challenge for boaters who don't care and say, "We can afford to pay for fuel, regardless of the cost", will be the disappearing infrastructure. When the working man has to give up boating because he can't afford to fuel up for a weekend's outing, it guts the infrastructure that everybody depends on. Without the critical mass of the small boaters, many of the service businesses and retailers upon which the entire boating community relies cannot remain in business. There is less justification for the state to set aside marine parks or otherwise prioritize boating recreation. I wish I had a solution. I don't. But when poor families are facing a "heat or eat" decision every week while BIGOILCO makes $40-billion profits it's possible to see the human tragedy in play, even without being able to identify a solution. And this is with a gasoline surplus.. Just wait till supplies run low. Ouch. db No mystery here...just bend over for Big Oil and its facilitators in the Bush Administration.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Did you ever think our enemies who seem to control the oil and terrorism have nothing to do with this? It is a fact that you can not dispute that these terrorist regimes want to raise the prices and make the repubs look bad and get voted out of office. After all, repubs shoot back when we are attacked, dems talk....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Take a look at historical data and you'll see something astonishing. It seems that talking works! All that happens when we think we are going after the "enemy" is **** them off. After all, it doesn't make very good business sense at all. Think about it. What if, say, you were making widgets and I was the sole manufacturer of the number one component that those widgets needed to operate. Would you think I'd be more than likely to work with you, monetarily wise if you were decent to me, or if you ****ed me off? Can you spell A bomb? Just ask Chamberlain. He'll tell you how much talking works. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
$100.88
|
| All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:28 PM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2014 BoatBanter.com