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wrote in message
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On Feb 27, 1:28 pm, wrote:
On Feb 27, 1:00 pm, hkrause wrote:





D-unit wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
...
The price of a bbl of oil last night.

Average retail price for a gallon of unleaded regular, in this state,
is now $3.35. That's up 85-cents from the same time last year.
Premium
typically runs about 30 cents more. The annual spring price gouge we
have endured each of the last several years should be getting
underway
very soon, as the
refiners all claim to be passing along the costs of converting from
winter to summer formulations.

The challenge for boaters who don't care and say, "We can afford to
pay for fuel, regardless of the cost", will be the disappearing
infrastructure.

When the working man has to give up boating because he can't afford
to
fuel up for a weekend's outing, it guts the infrastructure that
everybody depends on. Without the critical mass of the small boaters,
many of the service businesses and retailers upon which the entire
boating community relies cannot remain in business. There is less
justification for the state to set aside marine parks or otherwise
prioritize boating recreation.

I wish I had a solution. I don't. But when poor families are facing a
"heat or eat" decision every week while BIGOILCO makes $40-billion
profits
it's possible to see the human tragedy in play, even without being
able to identify a solution.

And this is with a gasoline surplus.. Just wait till supplies run low.

Ouch.

db

No mystery here...just bend over for Big Oil and its facilitators in the
Bush Administration.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Did you ever think our enemies who seem to control the oil and
terrorism have nothing to do with this? It is a fact that you can not
dispute that these terrorist regimes want to raise the prices and make
the repubs look bad and get voted out of office. After all, repubs
shoot back when we are attacked, dems talk....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Take a look at historical data and you'll see something astonishing.
It seems that talking works! All that happens when we think we are
going after the "enemy" is **** them off. After all, it doesn't make
very good business sense at all. Think about it. What if, say, you
were making widgets and I was the sole manufacturer of the number one
component that those widgets needed to operate. Would you think I'd be
more than likely to work with you, monetarily wise if you were decent
to me, or if you ****ed me off?

Can you spell A bomb?

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On Feb 28, 3:41Â*am, BAR wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 27, 5:05�pm, "Sam" wrote:

While I think it already is a free and competitive market, what changes
would you propose?- Hide quoted text -

The same measures that were taken against other vertically integrated
oligarchies in the past. Power, phone, water, etc.

[ Big Snip ]

You want prices controls and regulation.

Don't be so deliberately dense. Read instead of react. I'm sure you
*snipped* it before you read it.......after all you've got Limbaugh
and the rest of your trainers to tell you how liberals think, so why
bother?

Since you didn't bother to read before you reacted emotionally here,
I'll repeat. What I would like to see would be meaningful competition
at all level of the distribution process, an no more winks, nods, and
reach arounds by the three main bedfellows.


Why don't we limit profit to 1% on everything. One percent profit should
be enough shouldn't it?


I have no idea where you come up with some zany crap like that.
It has no relevance to anything I posted here.



Why do you believe in a free market when it comes to selling boats and
cars but not when it comes to selling oil.

Hello in there........ I am calling for the same kind of free market
thta *does* exist when it comes to selling boats and cars and
*doesn't* exist when it comes to selling oil. If you want the car
business to adopt the oil company model, you would need to start by
eliminating all of the independently owned new car dealerships across
the country and make them "factory outlets". The auto factories occupy
a similar space in the distribution chain that the refineries do, so
you would really need to have the auto factories bought up by big
steel producers, and you would need to eliminate the 1000,s of
subcontracting companies that
currently contribute to the construction of a car or truck. There's a
very active free market in the auto and boat industries, due in part
to the fact that new cars and new boats are always in competition with
used products as well as new cars and boats built by other
manufacturers.

New boat companies start up every year. Most don't last all that long,
but they start up nonetheless. When was the last time somebody started
a new oil company?



What I want to know is why is gasoline at the pump so cheap compared to
the cost of a bbl of crude? When oil was $50 a bbl we were paying $3 per
gallon of gas and now that oil is $100 a bbl we are still paying $3 per
gallon. Why?

Because there is no direct correlation between the price of refined
products and the price of crude oil. They only thing they have in
common is the same company is making money at every step of the
distribution process.

Can you spell "ENRON"?

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On Feb 28, 5:44�am, BAR wrote:


The guy who runs the bakery down the street gets tax breaks to purchase
new equipment every three years. Is this good or bad for the US economy?- Hide quoted text -

It's highway robbery, when the guy who runs the bakery *already* has
the exclusive right to sell bread and is essentially unrestricted in
his ability to generate gross profit.

It's highway robbery, when the baker grinds wheat harvested from
public lands, bakes it into a loaf, and then sells it back to the
public at a ridiculous markup. (all the while blaming the "guy who
grinds the wheat!")

It's highway robbery when Ma and Pa Cornerstore are forced to pay so
much for refined products that they can't make a go of it and are
forced to sell their business. Of course, since there is no profit
being earned on the sale of refined petroleum products the only
prospective buyer turns out to be BIGOILCO. Amazingly enough, after Ma
and Pa Cornerstore go BK and move in with their kids there is suddenly
enough profit available at that same location for the new owners
(BIGOILCO) to tear down the building, build a new one, add a Subway
Sandwich shop, and hire enough staff to be open 24/7/365.

Don't forget, almost the very first thing that was done after the 2000
election was to call the BIGOILCO executives to Washington DC. There
they sat down in closed door meetings with Dick Cheney to "outline the
national energy policy".

We shouldn't reward predators with a tax break.

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On Feb 28, 4:26�am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:02:46 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould

wrote:
(Anybody daring to start an independent station will be unable to
purchase refined products at a favorable rate)

Nonsense. �Refined products are openly traded on the commodity
exchanges. �Go buy some, all it takes is the infrastructure to store
and transport the products.

Would it seem a bit excessive to create an infrastructure to store and
transport refined products so you can run a filling station?

Who refines the products "openly traded on the commodity exchanges"?

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"Chuck Gould" wrote
Who refines the products "openly traded on the commodity exchanges"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...#United_States

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On Feb 28, 9:01*am, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Feb 27, 1:28 pm, wrote:





On Feb 27, 1:00 pm, hkrause wrote:

D-unit wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
...
The price of a bbl of oil last night.

Average retail price for a gallon of unleaded regular, in this state,
is now $3.35. That's up 85-cents from the same time last year.
Premium
typically runs about 30 cents more. The annual spring price gouge we
have endured each of the last several years should be getting
underway
very soon, as the
refiners all claim to be passing along the costs of converting from
winter to summer formulations.

The challenge for boaters who don't care and say, "We can afford to
pay for fuel, regardless of the cost", will be the disappearing
infrastructure.

When the working man has to give up boating because he can't afford
to
fuel up for a weekend's outing, it guts the infrastructure that
everybody depends on. Without the critical mass of the small boaters,
many of the service businesses and retailers upon which the entire
boating community relies cannot remain in business. There is less
justification for the state to set aside marine parks or otherwise
prioritize boating recreation.

I wish I had a solution. I don't. But when poor families are facing a
"heat or eat" decision every week while BIGOILCO makes $40-billion
profits
it's possible to see the human tragedy in play, even without being
able to identify a solution.

And this is with a gasoline surplus.. Just wait till supplies run low.

Ouch.

db

No mystery here...just bend over for Big Oil and its facilitators in the
Bush Administration.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Did you ever think our enemies who seem to control the oil and
terrorism have nothing to do with this? It is a fact that you can not
dispute that these terrorist regimes want to raise the prices and make
the repubs look bad and get voted out of office. After all, repubs
shoot back when we are attacked, dems talk....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Take a look at historical data and you'll see something astonishing.
It seems that talking works! All that happens when we think we are
going after the "enemy" is **** them off. After all, it doesn't make
very good business sense at all. Think about it. What if, say, you
were making widgets and I was the sole manufacturer of the number one
component that those widgets needed to operate. Would you think I'd be
more than likely to work with you, monetarily wise if you were decent
to me, or if you ****ed me off?

Can you spell A bomb?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There's the compassionate conservative christian way!

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On Feb 28, 8:45*am, BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 27, 8:05 pm, "Sam" wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Gould"

Newsgroups: rec.boats
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:37 PM
Subject: $100.88

On Feb 27, 10:17?am, "Sam" wrote:

5. If you are unhappy with the price of gasoline, you may, at any time,
take
a train, ride a bike, walk, or ride the bus. All of these options will
reduce your energy costs.
I might also wish for a free and competitive market, rather than an
oligarchy.
While I think it already is a free and competitive market, what changes
would you propose?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Quite governmenet subsidies and tax breaks for big oil. We as
taxpayers are getting shafted twice because of just that.

Your retirement account says hello!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What part of my retirement assets have anything to do with my
government using my money to subsidise and give tax breaks to big oil?
Except for the fact that BushCo is borrowing like drunken whores from
China?

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wrote in message
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On Feb 28, 9:01 am, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Feb 27, 1:28 pm, wrote:





On Feb 27, 1:00 pm, hkrause wrote:

D-unit wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
...
The price of a bbl of oil last night.

Average retail price for a gallon of unleaded regular, in this
state,
is now $3.35. That's up 85-cents from the same time last year.
Premium
typically runs about 30 cents more. The annual spring price gouge
we
have endured each of the last several years should be getting
underway
very soon, as the
refiners all claim to be passing along the costs of converting from
winter to summer formulations.

The challenge for boaters who don't care and say, "We can afford to
pay for fuel, regardless of the cost", will be the disappearing
infrastructure.

When the working man has to give up boating because he can't afford
to
fuel up for a weekend's outing, it guts the infrastructure that
everybody depends on. Without the critical mass of the small
boaters,
many of the service businesses and retailers upon which the entire
boating community relies cannot remain in business. There is less
justification for the state to set aside marine parks or otherwise
prioritize boating recreation.

I wish I had a solution. I don't. But when poor families are facing
a
"heat or eat" decision every week while BIGOILCO makes $40-billion
profits
it's possible to see the human tragedy in play, even without being
able to identify a solution.

And this is with a gasoline surplus.. Just wait till supplies run
low.

Ouch.

db

No mystery here...just bend over for Big Oil and its facilitators in
the
Bush Administration.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Did you ever think our enemies who seem to control the oil and
terrorism have nothing to do with this? It is a fact that you can not
dispute that these terrorist regimes want to raise the prices and make
the repubs look bad and get voted out of office. After all, repubs
shoot back when we are attacked, dems talk....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Take a look at historical data and you'll see something astonishing.
It seems that talking works! All that happens when we think we are
going after the "enemy" is **** them off. After all, it doesn't make
very good business sense at all. Think about it. What if, say, you
were making widgets and I was the sole manufacturer of the number one
component that those widgets needed to operate. Would you think I'd be
more than likely to work with you, monetarily wise if you were decent
to me, or if you ****ed me off?

Can you spell A bomb?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There's the compassionate conservative christian way!

============================

How many American lives did it save when WWII ended?

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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 28, 3:41 am, BAR wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 27, 5:05�pm, "Sam" wrote:
While I think it already is a free and competitive market, what changes
would you propose?- Hide quoted text -
The same measures that were taken against other vertically integrated
oligarchies in the past. Power, phone, water, etc.
[ Big Snip ]

You want prices controls and regulation.

Don't be so deliberately dense. Read instead of react. I'm sure you
*snipped* it before you read it.......after all you've got Limbaugh
and the rest of your trainers to tell you how liberals think, so why
bother?

Since you didn't bother to read before you reacted emotionally here,
I'll repeat. What I would like to see would be meaningful competition
at all level of the distribution process, an no more winks, nods, and
reach arounds by the three main bedfellows.

Why don't we limit profit to 1% on everything. One percent profit should
be enough shouldn't it?


I have no idea where you come up with some zany crap like that.
It has no relevance to anything I posted here.


Why do you believe in a free market when it comes to selling boats and
cars but not when it comes to selling oil.

Hello in there........ I am calling for the same kind of free market
thta *does* exist when it comes to selling boats and cars and
*doesn't* exist when it comes to selling oil. If you want the car
business to adopt the oil company model, you would need to start by
eliminating all of the independently owned new car dealerships across
the country and make them "factory outlets". The auto factories occupy
a similar space in the distribution chain that the refineries do, so
you would really need to have the auto factories bought up by big
steel producers, and you would need to eliminate the 1000,s of
subcontracting companies that
currently contribute to the construction of a car or truck. There's a
very active free market in the auto and boat industries, due in part
to the fact that new cars and new boats are always in competition with
used products as well as new cars and boats built by other
manufacturers.

New boat companies start up every year. Most don't last all that long,
but they start up nonetheless. When was the last time somebody started
a new oil company?


What I want to know is why is gasoline at the pump so cheap compared to
the cost of a bbl of crude? When oil was $50 a bbl we were paying $3 per
gallon of gas and now that oil is $100 a bbl we are still paying $3 per
gallon. Why?

Because there is no direct correlation between the price of refined
products and the price of crude oil. They only thing they have in
common is the same company is making money at every step of the
distribution process.

Can you spell "ENRON"?


Chuck,
If you really researched the oil industry, you would see that your
understanding of the industry and your understanding of the competition
that exist in the industry is way too simplistic and does not reflect
the real world in any shape or form. It reminds me of the simplistic
comments I have heard the few times I have listened to right or left
wing radio shows.