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The price of a bbl of oil last night.
Average retail price for a gallon of unleaded regular, in this state, is now $3.35. That's up 85-cents from the same time last year. Premium typically runs about 30 cents more. The annual spring price gouge we have endured each of the last several years should be getting underway very soon, as the refiners all claim to be passing along the costs of converting from winter to summer formulations. The challenge for boaters who don't care and say, "We can afford to pay for fuel, regardless of the cost", will be the disappearing infrastructure. When the working man has to give up boating because he can't afford to fuel up for a weekend's outing, it guts the infrastructure that everybody depends on. Without the critical mass of the small boaters, many of the service businesses and retailers upon which the entire boating community relies cannot remain in business. There is less justification for the state to set aside marine parks or otherwise prioritize boating recreation. I wish I had a solution. I don't. But when poor families are facing a "heat or eat" decision every week while BIGOILCO makes $40-billion profits it's possible to see the human tragedy in play, even without being able to identify a solution. |
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message ... The price of a bbl of oil last night. Average retail price for a gallon of unleaded regular, in this state, is now $3.35. That's up 85-cents from the same time last year. Premium typically runs about 30 cents more. The annual spring price gouge we have endured each of the last several years should be getting underway very soon, as the refiners all claim to be passing along the costs of converting from winter to summer formulations. snip.. Wow...wish I could buy regular self serve for that price. At 1.18 per liter... we pay at the rate of $4.46 per US gallon |
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On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:12:53 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote: I wish I had a solution. I don't. But when poor families are facing a "heat or eat" decision every week while BIGOILCO makes $40-billion profits it's possible to see the human tragedy in play, even without being able to identify a solution. Don't think there is a "solution". There is a built in speculation factor which is based on too much free cash looking for a profit which has migrated out of normal channels and moved into commodities. It's a bubble and like all bubbles, it has to work itself out. It will, but it will take time. |
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Chuck Gould wrote: I wish I had a solution. I don't. But when poor families are facing a "heat or eat" decision every week while BIGOILCO makes $40-billion profits 40 Bil. is That all????? |
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message ... The price of a bbl of oil last night. Average retail price for a gallon of unleaded regular, in this state, is now $3.35. That's up 85-cents from the same time last year. Premium typically runs about 30 cents more. The annual spring price gouge we have endured each of the last several years should be getting underway very soon, as the refiners all claim to be passing along the costs of converting from winter to summer formulations. The challenge for boaters who don't care and say, "We can afford to pay for fuel, regardless of the cost", will be the disappearing infrastructure. When the working man has to give up boating because he can't afford to fuel up for a weekend's outing, it guts the infrastructure that everybody depends on. Without the critical mass of the small boaters, many of the service businesses and retailers upon which the entire boating community relies cannot remain in business. There is less justification for the state to set aside marine parks or otherwise prioritize boating recreation. I wish I had a solution. I don't. But when poor families are facing a "heat or eat" decision every week while BIGOILCO makes $40-billion profits it's possible to see the human tragedy in play, even without being able to identify a solution. And this is with a gasoline surplus.. Just wait till supplies run low. Ouch. db |
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D-unit wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message ... The price of a bbl of oil last night. Average retail price for a gallon of unleaded regular, in this state, is now $3.35. That's up 85-cents from the same time last year. Premium typically runs about 30 cents more. The annual spring price gouge we have endured each of the last several years should be getting underway very soon, as the refiners all claim to be passing along the costs of converting from winter to summer formulations. The challenge for boaters who don't care and say, "We can afford to pay for fuel, regardless of the cost", will be the disappearing infrastructure. When the working man has to give up boating because he can't afford to fuel up for a weekend's outing, it guts the infrastructure that everybody depends on. Without the critical mass of the small boaters, many of the service businesses and retailers upon which the entire boating community relies cannot remain in business. There is less justification for the state to set aside marine parks or otherwise prioritize boating recreation. I wish I had a solution. I don't. But when poor families are facing a "heat or eat" decision every week while BIGOILCO makes $40-billion profits it's possible to see the human tragedy in play, even without being able to identify a solution. And this is with a gasoline surplus.. Just wait till supplies run low. Ouch. db No mystery here...just bend over for Big Oil and its facilitators in the Bush Administration. |
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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message ... I wish I had a solution. I don't. But when poor families are facing a "heat or eat" decision every week while BIGOILCO makes $40-billion profits....................... A few things to remember: 1. You are not entitled to anything... cheap gasoline included. 2. The point of setting up a for-profit business is TO MAKE A PROFIT. 3. Exxon does not set the price of oil. 4. Exxon's profit margins are around 10%, not unreasonable when you compare it to Pfizer, which manages to make 17% on the backs of the sick and dying. Exxon also paid 30 billion in corporate taxes last year which is more than the combined total income tax paid by the bottom 50% of tax payers in the US. Total taxes paid by Exxon exceed 120 billion if you include all taxes (franchise, payroll, property, severance and excise taxes). Their total corporate tax was over 300k per employee. 5. If you are unhappy with the price of gasoline, you may, at any time, take a train, ride a bike, walk, or ride the bus. All of these options will reduce your energy costs. Full disclosure- I am a shareholder of Exxon :-) |
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On Feb 27, 1:00*pm, hkrause wrote:
D-unit wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message ... The price of a bbl of oil last night. Average retail price for a gallon of unleaded regular, in this state, is now $3.35. That's up 85-cents from the same time last year. Premium typically runs about 30 cents more. The annual spring price gouge we have endured each of the last several years should be getting underway very soon, as the refiners all claim to be passing along the costs of converting from winter to summer formulations. The challenge for boaters who don't care and say, "We can afford to pay for fuel, regardless of the cost", will be the disappearing infrastructure. When the working man has to give up boating because he can't afford to fuel up for a weekend's outing, it guts the infrastructure that everybody depends on. Without the critical mass of the small boaters, many of the service businesses and retailers upon which the entire boating community relies cannot remain in business. There is less justification *for the state to set aside marine parks or otherwise prioritize boating recreation. I wish I had a solution. I don't. But when poor families are facing a "heat or eat" decision every week while BIGOILCO makes *$40-billion profits it's possible to see the human tragedy in play, even without being able to identify a solution. And this is with a gasoline surplus.. *Just wait till supplies run low.. Ouch. db No mystery here...just bend over for Big Oil and its facilitators in the Bush Administration.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Did you ever think our enemies who seem to control the oil and terrorism have nothing to do with this? It is a fact that you can not dispute that these terrorist regimes want to raise the prices and make the repubs look bad and get voted out of office. After all, repubs shoot back when we are attacked, dems talk.... |
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"hkrause" wrote in message ... D-unit wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message ... The price of a bbl of oil last night. Average retail price for a gallon of unleaded regular, in this state, is now $3.35. That's up 85-cents from the same time last year. Premium typically runs about 30 cents more. The annual spring price gouge we have endured each of the last several years should be getting underway very soon, as the refiners all claim to be passing along the costs of converting from winter to summer formulations. The challenge for boaters who don't care and say, "We can afford to pay for fuel, regardless of the cost", will be the disappearing infrastructure. When the working man has to give up boating because he can't afford to fuel up for a weekend's outing, it guts the infrastructure that everybody depends on. Without the critical mass of the small boaters, many of the service businesses and retailers upon which the entire boating community relies cannot remain in business. There is less justification for the state to set aside marine parks or otherwise prioritize boating recreation. I wish I had a solution. I don't. But when poor families are facing a "heat or eat" decision every week while BIGOILCO makes $40-billion profits it's possible to see the human tragedy in play, even without being able to identify a solution. And this is with a gasoline surplus.. Just wait till supplies run low. Ouch. db No mystery here...just bend over for Big Oil and its facilitators in the Bush Administration. I've managed to "stick it to them" by: 1. Buying a beater 4-cylinder Honda for my running around. (which amounts to about 90% of my travel. Im considering putting a 2" receiver hitch on the Honda and buying a lightweight trailer for light hauling. This will eliminate another 5%. About the only time I'll need my truck is for heavy hauling, RV duties, etc. 2. Managing my trips into town better. i.e. Waiting to go to the DMV until my prescription is ready. 2 for 1 trips, as it were. 3. Selling my Mako (twin yamy's) and purchasing a skiff. Its really all I need. Unless someone invents/discovers a cheap clean source of energy, Many wars will be fought over what little we have. We should do all we can to curb our appetite for petroleum. If we can cut our use by 5-10% and continue finding alternate sources to further this trend, we may avoid the impending doom that surely awaits when so called "peak oil" ...er....peaks. Its coming soon. We should postpone it. db out. |
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On Feb 27, 1:28*pm, wrote:
On Feb 27, 1:00*pm, hkrause wrote: D-unit wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message .... The price of a bbl of oil last night. Average retail price for a gallon of unleaded regular, in this state, is now $3.35. That's up 85-cents from the same time last year. Premium typically runs about 30 cents more. The annual spring price gouge we have endured each of the last several years should be getting underway very soon, as the refiners all claim to be passing along the costs of converting from winter to summer formulations. The challenge for boaters who don't care and say, "We can afford to pay for fuel, regardless of the cost", will be the disappearing infrastructure. When the working man has to give up boating because he can't afford to fuel up for a weekend's outing, it guts the infrastructure that everybody depends on. Without the critical mass of the small boaters, many of the service businesses and retailers upon which the entire boating community relies cannot remain in business. There is less justification *for the state to set aside marine parks or otherwise prioritize boating recreation. I wish I had a solution. I don't. But when poor families are facing a "heat or eat" decision every week while BIGOILCO makes *$40-billion profits it's possible to see the human tragedy in play, even without being able to identify a solution. And this is with a gasoline surplus.. *Just wait till supplies run low. Ouch. db No mystery here...just bend over for Big Oil and its facilitators in the Bush Administration.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Did you ever think our enemies who seem to control the oil and terrorism have nothing to do with this? It is a fact that you can not dispute that these terrorist regimes want to raise the prices and make the repubs look bad and get voted out of office. After all, repubs shoot back when we are attacked, dems talk....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Take a look at historical data and you'll see something astonishing. It seems that talking works! All that happens when we think we are going after the "enemy" is **** them off. After all, it doesn't make very good business sense at all. Think about it. What if, say, you were making widgets and I was the sole manufacturer of the number one component that those widgets needed to operate. Would you think I'd be more than likely to work with you, monetarily wise if you were decent to me, or if you ****ed me off? |
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On Feb 27, 1:11*pm, "JimH" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:12:53 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: The challenge for boaters who don't care and say, "We can afford to pay for fuel, regardless of the cost", will be the disappearing infrastructure. I suspect this will result in even higher prices for fuel "on the water" if they can't sustain the volume necessary to absorb the fixed costs of maintaing fueling facillities. More people will be sneaking jerry cans into the marina too. I am sure happy I went down a notch on my last repower. I like being able to putt around at a gallon an hour or so. I am not sure how those guys with the V-8s do it but I have noticed they are not doing it as often. The 250HP Shearwater flats boat that I used to see blasting by me every evening flat out, is now only coming by about once a week and at a more conservative speed. He has his wife with him these days too. We would have had a hard time selling our 32 footer if we had it on the market with these gasoline prices...........especially since they have not topped out yet. *She held 180 gallons of fuel or $700+ to fill her up at today's fuel dock prices. *I know there are plenty of similarly boats out there with even larger tanks. The size of the tank means absolutely nothing. |
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wrote in message ... Take a look at historical data and you'll see something astonishing. It seems that talking works! All that happens when we think we are going after the "enemy" is **** them off. After all, it doesn't make very good business sense at all. Think about it. What if, say, you were making widgets and I was the sole manufacturer of the number one component that those widgets needed to operate. Would you think I'd be more than likely to work with you, monetarily wise if you were decent to me, or if you ****ed me off? You make no sense. |
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On Feb 27, 10:17�am, "Sam" wrote:
5. If you are unhappy with the price of gasoline, you may, at any time, take a train, ride a bike, walk, or ride the bus. All of these options will reduce your energy costs. I might also wish for a free and competitive market, rather than an oligarchy. |
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Gould" Newsgroups: rec.boats Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:37 PM Subject: $100.88 On Feb 27, 10:17?am, "Sam" wrote: 5. If you are unhappy with the price of gasoline, you may, at any time, take a train, ride a bike, walk, or ride the bus. All of these options will reduce your energy costs. I might also wish for a free and competitive market, rather than an oligarchy. While I think it already is a free and competitive market, what changes would you propose? |
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Tim wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote: I wish I had a solution. I don't. But when poor families are facing a "heat or eat" decision every week while BIGOILCO makes $40-billion profits 40 Bil. is That all????? 10% profit is 10% profit regardless of the business. |
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hkrause wrote:
No mystery here...just bend over for Big Oil and its facilitators in the Bush Administration. What will the price per barrel of oil be on 1/21/2009 if a Democrat becomes the next president? |
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On Feb 27, 11:36*am, "Don White" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message ... The price of a bbl of oil last night. Average retail price for a gallon of unleaded regular, in this state, is now $3.35. That's up 85-cents from the same time last year. Premium typically runs about 30 cents more. The annual spring price gouge we have endured each of the last several years should be getting underway very soon, as the refiners all claim to be passing along the costs of converting from winter to summer formulations. snip.. Wow...wish I could buy regular self serve for that price. At 1.18 per liter... we pay at the rate of $4.46 per US gallon Hi there! Been gone from rec boats for about 5 yrs. Moved from central IL to the west coast of FL. Hard to believe... same old crew is still bitching about the same old. And they say you can't go home again. |
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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 27, 5:05�pm, "Sam" wrote: While I think it already is a free and competitive market, what changes would you propose?- Hide quoted text - The same measures that were taken against other vertically integrated oligarchies in the past. Power, phone, water, etc. [ Big Snip ] You want prices controls and regulation. Why don't we limit profit to 1% on everything. One percent profit should be enough shouldn't it? Why do you believe in a free market when it comes to selling boats and cars but not when it comes to selling oil. What I want to know is why is gasoline at the pump so cheap compared to the cost of a bbl of crude? When oil was $50 a bbl we were paying $3 per gallon of gas and now that oil is $100 a bbl we are still paying $3 per gallon. Why? |
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"BAR" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: On Feb 27, 5:05?pm, "Sam" wrote: While I think it already is a free and competitive market, what changes would you propose?- Hide quoted text - The same measures that were taken against other vertically integrated oligarchies in the past. Power, phone, water, etc. [ Big Snip ] You want prices controls and regulation. Why don't we limit profit to 1% on everything. One percent profit should be enough shouldn't it? Why do you believe in a free market when it comes to selling boats and cars but not when it comes to selling oil. What I want to know is why is gasoline at the pump so cheap compared to the cost of a bbl of crude? When oil was $50 a bbl we were paying $3 per gallon of gas and now that oil is $100 a bbl we are still paying $3 per gallon. Why? I think you're a little off on the price of gas vs. crude. AT $50/bbl crude gas was in the $2.00 area. The two don't track one for one and I believe a lot of the differential is conjured up in the trading pits. |
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On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:02:46 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote: (Anybody daring to start an independent station will be unable to purchase refined products at a favorable rate) Nonsense. Refined products are openly traded on the commodity exchanges. Go buy some, all it takes is the infrastructure to store and transport the products. |
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D.Duck wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: On Feb 27, 5:05?pm, "Sam" wrote: While I think it already is a free and competitive market, what changes would you propose?- Hide quoted text - The same measures that were taken against other vertically integrated oligarchies in the past. Power, phone, water, etc. [ Big Snip ] You want prices controls and regulation. Why don't we limit profit to 1% on everything. One percent profit should be enough shouldn't it? Why do you believe in a free market when it comes to selling boats and cars but not when it comes to selling oil. What I want to know is why is gasoline at the pump so cheap compared to the cost of a bbl of crude? When oil was $50 a bbl we were paying $3 per gallon of gas and now that oil is $100 a bbl we are still paying $3 per gallon. Why? I think you're a little off on the price of gas vs. crude. AT $50/bbl crude gas was in the $2.00 area. The two don't track one for one and I believe a lot of the differential is conjured up in the trading pits. Interesting reading: http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/bro...05primerM.html I am trying to find information regarding the cost of crude and the cost of gasoline for the last 20 years. |
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:26:01 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:02:46 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: (Anybody daring to start an independent station will be unable to purchase refined products at a favorable rate) Nonsense. Refined products are openly traded on the commodity exchanges. Go buy some, all it takes is the infrastructure to store and transport the products. Chuck's statement is partially true. In Putnam, there are two independant full service stations - gas to tires to engine repair and everything inbetween. In years past, they've purchased their gas and diesel from the same distributor that services Xtra Mart and Cumberland Farms. You paid a couple of cents more for their gas, but they had smaller tanks and to use a tired phrase, their gas was "fresher". Now, they have to buy on the spot market which leads to higher costs and pricing. They also have to purchase quantities for delivery based on both of their needs - they are cooperating to meet the minimum delivery requirements of the distributors. It's the minimum delivery requirements that kill's them because of the nature of their business - they don't have a consistent volume to correctly predict when they will need gas to service their customers. Another big issue in this that a lot of people miss is JIT (just in time) inventory controls. The entire energy sector is based on JIT delivery - which means that larger organizations which can track volume (even to the hour) can schedule deliveries efficiently which gives them an advantage over the independant. You would think that this would be economically advantageous, but it's not favorable to mediation of pricing because iventory is constantly being turned over at such a pace that there are no ready reserves. That's the real issue to me. When you have inventory reserve, that automatically creates a down pressure on pricing - with no reserve, pricing increases become almost automatic depending on demand. Having said that, around here there are several independant operators who have the system worked - Hi-Lo, Jack's and Hoodie's. Their prices fluctuate seemingly hour-by-hour, but in general, they are 5 to six cents cheaper than box stores, sometimes even more. All are run by Mexican immigrants. :) |
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:46:23 -0500, BAR wrote:
D.Duck wrote: "BAR" wrote in message ... Chuck Gould wrote: On Feb 27, 5:05?pm, "Sam" wrote: While I think it already is a free and competitive market, what changes would you propose?- Hide quoted text - The same measures that were taken against other vertically integrated oligarchies in the past. Power, phone, water, etc. [ Big Snip ] You want prices controls and regulation. Why don't we limit profit to 1% on everything. One percent profit should be enough shouldn't it? Why do you believe in a free market when it comes to selling boats and cars but not when it comes to selling oil. What I want to know is why is gasoline at the pump so cheap compared to the cost of a bbl of crude? When oil was $50 a bbl we were paying $3 per gallon of gas and now that oil is $100 a bbl we are still paying $3 per gallon. Why? I think you're a little off on the price of gas vs. crude. AT $50/bbl crude gas was in the $2.00 area. The two don't track one for one and I believe a lot of the differential is conjured up in the trading pits. Interesting reading: http://www.eia.doe.gov/bookshelf/bro...05primerM.html I am trying to find information regarding the cost of crude and the cost of gasoline for the last 20 years. http://inflationdata.com/inflation/I...comparison.htm |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Having said that, around here there are several independant operators who have the system worked - Hi-Lo, Jack's and Hoodie's. Their prices fluctuate seemingly hour-by-hour, but in general, they are 5 to six cents cheaper than box stores, sometimes even more. All are run by Mexican immigrants. :) I can see the gas distributors walking up to day laborers on a street corner and asking them "Hey do you know how to run a gas station" and them responding "Si Senor". Mexican immigrants and their can do attitude represents what has historically made America great |
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On Feb 28, 6:41Â*am, BAR wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote: On Feb 27, 5:05�pm, "Sam" wrote: While I think it already is a free and competitive market, what changes would you propose?- Hide quoted text - The same measures that were taken against other vertically integrated oligarchies in the past. Power, phone, water, etc. [ Big Snip ] You want prices controls and regulation. Why don't we limit profit to 1% on everything. One percent profit should be enough shouldn't it? Why do you believe in a free market when it comes to selling boats and cars but not when it comes to selling oil. What I want to know is why is gasoline at the pump so cheap compared to the cost of a bbl of crude? When oil was $50 a bbl we were paying $3 per gallon of gas and now that oil is $100 a bbl we are still paying $3 per gallon. Why? I wouldn't mind the profit aspect of big oil if it weren't for the billions of dollars that the government gives to big oil in subsidies and tax breaks. |
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On Feb 27, 8:05*pm, "Sam" wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Gould" Newsgroups: rec.boats Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:37 PM Subject: $100.88 On Feb 27, 10:17?am, "Sam" wrote: 5. If you are unhappy with the price of gasoline, you may, at any time, take a train, ride a bike, walk, or ride the bus. All of these options will reduce your energy costs. I might also wish for a free and competitive market, rather than an oligarchy. While I think it already is a free and competitive market, what changes would you propose?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Quite governmenet subsidies and tax breaks for big oil. We as taxpayers are getting shafted twice because of just that. |
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On Feb 27, 6:50*pm, "Sam" wrote:
wrote in message ... Take a look at historical data and you'll see something astonishing. It seems that talking works! All that happens when we think we are going after the "enemy" is **** them off. After all, it doesn't make very good business sense at all. Think about it. What if, say, you were making widgets and I was the sole manufacturer of the number one component that those widgets needed to operate. Would you think I'd be more than likely to work with you, monetarily wise if you were decent to me, or if you ****ed me off? You make no sense. Probably not, to you. |
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wrote in message ... On Feb 27, 1:28 pm, wrote: On Feb 27, 1:00 pm, hkrause wrote: D-unit wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message ... The price of a bbl of oil last night. Average retail price for a gallon of unleaded regular, in this state, is now $3.35. That's up 85-cents from the same time last year. Premium typically runs about 30 cents more. The annual spring price gouge we have endured each of the last several years should be getting underway very soon, as the refiners all claim to be passing along the costs of converting from winter to summer formulations. The challenge for boaters who don't care and say, "We can afford to pay for fuel, regardless of the cost", will be the disappearing infrastructure. When the working man has to give up boating because he can't afford to fuel up for a weekend's outing, it guts the infrastructure that everybody depends on. Without the critical mass of the small boaters, many of the service businesses and retailers upon which the entire boating community relies cannot remain in business. There is less justification for the state to set aside marine parks or otherwise prioritize boating recreation. I wish I had a solution. I don't. But when poor families are facing a "heat or eat" decision every week while BIGOILCO makes $40-billion profits it's possible to see the human tragedy in play, even without being able to identify a solution. And this is with a gasoline surplus.. Just wait till supplies run low. Ouch. db No mystery here...just bend over for Big Oil and its facilitators in the Bush Administration.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Did you ever think our enemies who seem to control the oil and terrorism have nothing to do with this? It is a fact that you can not dispute that these terrorist regimes want to raise the prices and make the repubs look bad and get voted out of office. After all, repubs shoot back when we are attacked, dems talk....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Take a look at historical data and you'll see something astonishing. It seems that talking works! All that happens when we think we are going after the "enemy" is **** them off. After all, it doesn't make very good business sense at all. Think about it. What if, say, you were making widgets and I was the sole manufacturer of the number one component that those widgets needed to operate. Would you think I'd be more than likely to work with you, monetarily wise if you were decent to me, or if you ****ed me off? Can you spell A bomb? |
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On Feb 28, 3:41Â*am, BAR wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote: On Feb 27, 5:05�pm, "Sam" wrote: While I think it already is a free and competitive market, what changes would you propose?- Hide quoted text - The same measures that were taken against other vertically integrated oligarchies in the past. Power, phone, water, etc. [ Big Snip ] You want prices controls and regulation. Don't be so deliberately dense. Read instead of react. I'm sure you *snipped* it before you read it.......after all you've got Limbaugh and the rest of your trainers to tell you how liberals think, so why bother? Since you didn't bother to read before you reacted emotionally here, I'll repeat. What I would like to see would be meaningful competition at all level of the distribution process, an no more winks, nods, and reach arounds by the three main bedfellows. Why don't we limit profit to 1% on everything. One percent profit should be enough shouldn't it? I have no idea where you come up with some zany crap like that. It has no relevance to anything I posted here. Why do you believe in a free market when it comes to selling boats and cars but not when it comes to selling oil. Hello in there........ I am calling for the same kind of free market thta *does* exist when it comes to selling boats and cars and *doesn't* exist when it comes to selling oil. If you want the car business to adopt the oil company model, you would need to start by eliminating all of the independently owned new car dealerships across the country and make them "factory outlets". The auto factories occupy a similar space in the distribution chain that the refineries do, so you would really need to have the auto factories bought up by big steel producers, and you would need to eliminate the 1000,s of subcontracting companies that currently contribute to the construction of a car or truck. There's a very active free market in the auto and boat industries, due in part to the fact that new cars and new boats are always in competition with used products as well as new cars and boats built by other manufacturers. New boat companies start up every year. Most don't last all that long, but they start up nonetheless. When was the last time somebody started a new oil company? What I want to know is why is gasoline at the pump so cheap compared to the cost of a bbl of crude? When oil was $50 a bbl we were paying $3 per gallon of gas and now that oil is $100 a bbl we are still paying $3 per gallon. Why? Because there is no direct correlation between the price of refined products and the price of crude oil. They only thing they have in common is the same company is making money at every step of the distribution process. Can you spell "ENRON"? |
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On Feb 28, 5:44�am, BAR wrote:
The guy who runs the bakery down the street gets tax breaks to purchase new equipment every three years. Is this good or bad for the US economy?- Hide quoted text - It's highway robbery, when the guy who runs the bakery *already* has the exclusive right to sell bread and is essentially unrestricted in his ability to generate gross profit. It's highway robbery, when the baker grinds wheat harvested from public lands, bakes it into a loaf, and then sells it back to the public at a ridiculous markup. (all the while blaming the "guy who grinds the wheat!") It's highway robbery when Ma and Pa Cornerstore are forced to pay so much for refined products that they can't make a go of it and are forced to sell their business. Of course, since there is no profit being earned on the sale of refined petroleum products the only prospective buyer turns out to be BIGOILCO. Amazingly enough, after Ma and Pa Cornerstore go BK and move in with their kids there is suddenly enough profit available at that same location for the new owners (BIGOILCO) to tear down the building, build a new one, add a Subway Sandwich shop, and hire enough staff to be open 24/7/365. Don't forget, almost the very first thing that was done after the 2000 election was to call the BIGOILCO executives to Washington DC. There they sat down in closed door meetings with Dick Cheney to "outline the national energy policy". We shouldn't reward predators with a tax break. |
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On Feb 28, 4:26�am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:02:46 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: (Anybody daring to start an independent station will be unable to purchase refined products at a favorable rate) Nonsense. �Refined products are openly traded on the commodity exchanges. �Go buy some, all it takes is the infrastructure to store and transport the products. Would it seem a bit excessive to create an infrastructure to store and transport refined products so you can run a filling station? Who refines the products "openly traded on the commodity exchanges"? |
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"Chuck Gould" wrote
Who refines the products "openly traded on the commodity exchanges"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...#United_States |
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On Feb 28, 9:01*am, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Feb 27, 1:28 pm, wrote: On Feb 27, 1:00 pm, hkrause wrote: D-unit wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message ... The price of a bbl of oil last night. Average retail price for a gallon of unleaded regular, in this state, is now $3.35. That's up 85-cents from the same time last year. Premium typically runs about 30 cents more. The annual spring price gouge we have endured each of the last several years should be getting underway very soon, as the refiners all claim to be passing along the costs of converting from winter to summer formulations. The challenge for boaters who don't care and say, "We can afford to pay for fuel, regardless of the cost", will be the disappearing infrastructure. When the working man has to give up boating because he can't afford to fuel up for a weekend's outing, it guts the infrastructure that everybody depends on. Without the critical mass of the small boaters, many of the service businesses and retailers upon which the entire boating community relies cannot remain in business. There is less justification for the state to set aside marine parks or otherwise prioritize boating recreation. I wish I had a solution. I don't. But when poor families are facing a "heat or eat" decision every week while BIGOILCO makes $40-billion profits it's possible to see the human tragedy in play, even without being able to identify a solution. And this is with a gasoline surplus.. Just wait till supplies run low. Ouch. db No mystery here...just bend over for Big Oil and its facilitators in the Bush Administration.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Did you ever think our enemies who seem to control the oil and terrorism have nothing to do with this? It is a fact that you can not dispute that these terrorist regimes want to raise the prices and make the repubs look bad and get voted out of office. After all, repubs shoot back when we are attacked, dems talk....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Take a look at historical data and you'll see something astonishing. It seems that talking works! All that happens when we think we are going after the "enemy" is **** them off. After all, it doesn't make very good business sense at all. Think about it. What if, say, you were making widgets and I was the sole manufacturer of the number one component that those widgets needed to operate. Would you think I'd be more than likely to work with you, monetarily wise if you were decent to me, or if you ****ed me off? Can you spell A bomb?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There's the compassionate conservative christian way! |
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On Feb 28, 8:45*am, BAR wrote:
wrote: On Feb 27, 8:05 pm, "Sam" wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Gould" Newsgroups: rec.boats Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:37 PM Subject: $100.88 On Feb 27, 10:17?am, "Sam" wrote: 5. If you are unhappy with the price of gasoline, you may, at any time, take a train, ride a bike, walk, or ride the bus. All of these options will reduce your energy costs. I might also wish for a free and competitive market, rather than an oligarchy. While I think it already is a free and competitive market, what changes would you propose?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Quite governmenet subsidies and tax breaks for big oil. We as taxpayers are getting shafted twice because of just that. Your retirement account says hello!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What part of my retirement assets have anything to do with my government using my money to subsidise and give tax breaks to big oil? Except for the fact that BushCo is borrowing like drunken whores from China? |
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wrote in message ... On Feb 28, 9:01 am, "D.Duck" wrote: wrote in message ... On Feb 27, 1:28 pm, wrote: On Feb 27, 1:00 pm, hkrause wrote: D-unit wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message ... The price of a bbl of oil last night. Average retail price for a gallon of unleaded regular, in this state, is now $3.35. That's up 85-cents from the same time last year. Premium typically runs about 30 cents more. The annual spring price gouge we have endured each of the last several years should be getting underway very soon, as the refiners all claim to be passing along the costs of converting from winter to summer formulations. The challenge for boaters who don't care and say, "We can afford to pay for fuel, regardless of the cost", will be the disappearing infrastructure. When the working man has to give up boating because he can't afford to fuel up for a weekend's outing, it guts the infrastructure that everybody depends on. Without the critical mass of the small boaters, many of the service businesses and retailers upon which the entire boating community relies cannot remain in business. There is less justification for the state to set aside marine parks or otherwise prioritize boating recreation. I wish I had a solution. I don't. But when poor families are facing a "heat or eat" decision every week while BIGOILCO makes $40-billion profits it's possible to see the human tragedy in play, even without being able to identify a solution. And this is with a gasoline surplus.. Just wait till supplies run low. Ouch. db No mystery here...just bend over for Big Oil and its facilitators in the Bush Administration.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Did you ever think our enemies who seem to control the oil and terrorism have nothing to do with this? It is a fact that you can not dispute that these terrorist regimes want to raise the prices and make the repubs look bad and get voted out of office. After all, repubs shoot back when we are attacked, dems talk....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Take a look at historical data and you'll see something astonishing. It seems that talking works! All that happens when we think we are going after the "enemy" is **** them off. After all, it doesn't make very good business sense at all. Think about it. What if, say, you were making widgets and I was the sole manufacturer of the number one component that those widgets needed to operate. Would you think I'd be more than likely to work with you, monetarily wise if you were decent to me, or if you ****ed me off? Can you spell A bomb?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There's the compassionate conservative christian way! ============================ How many American lives did it save when WWII ended? |
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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 28, 3:41 am, BAR wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Feb 27, 5:05�pm, "Sam" wrote: While I think it already is a free and competitive market, what changes would you propose?- Hide quoted text - The same measures that were taken against other vertically integrated oligarchies in the past. Power, phone, water, etc. [ Big Snip ] You want prices controls and regulation. Don't be so deliberately dense. Read instead of react. I'm sure you *snipped* it before you read it.......after all you've got Limbaugh and the rest of your trainers to tell you how liberals think, so why bother? Since you didn't bother to read before you reacted emotionally here, I'll repeat. What I would like to see would be meaningful competition at all level of the distribution process, an no more winks, nods, and reach arounds by the three main bedfellows. Why don't we limit profit to 1% on everything. One percent profit should be enough shouldn't it? I have no idea where you come up with some zany crap like that. It has no relevance to anything I posted here. Why do you believe in a free market when it comes to selling boats and cars but not when it comes to selling oil. Hello in there........ I am calling for the same kind of free market thta *does* exist when it comes to selling boats and cars and *doesn't* exist when it comes to selling oil. If you want the car business to adopt the oil company model, you would need to start by eliminating all of the independently owned new car dealerships across the country and make them "factory outlets". The auto factories occupy a similar space in the distribution chain that the refineries do, so you would really need to have the auto factories bought up by big steel producers, and you would need to eliminate the 1000,s of subcontracting companies that currently contribute to the construction of a car or truck. There's a very active free market in the auto and boat industries, due in part to the fact that new cars and new boats are always in competition with used products as well as new cars and boats built by other manufacturers. New boat companies start up every year. Most don't last all that long, but they start up nonetheless. When was the last time somebody started a new oil company? What I want to know is why is gasoline at the pump so cheap compared to the cost of a bbl of crude? When oil was $50 a bbl we were paying $3 per gallon of gas and now that oil is $100 a bbl we are still paying $3 per gallon. Why? Because there is no direct correlation between the price of refined products and the price of crude oil. They only thing they have in common is the same company is making money at every step of the distribution process. Can you spell "ENRON"? Chuck, If you really researched the oil industry, you would see that your understanding of the industry and your understanding of the competition that exist in the industry is way too simplistic and does not reflect the real world in any shape or form. It reminds me of the simplistic comments I have heard the few times I have listened to right or left wing radio shows. |
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