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Loogypicker February 28th 08 10:19 PM

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"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:05:14 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

We could start by saying we're sorry for blaming 9-11 on them.


Will you freakin' morons learn how to snip posts?

Damn - my scroll switch on the mouse is getting worn out.


I'll post my posts any god-dammed way I feel, got it?



Valgard Toebreakerson February 28th 08 10:22 PM

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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:19:18 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:


"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:05:14 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

We could start by saying we're sorry for blaming 9-11 on them.


Will you freakin' morons learn how to snip posts?

Damn - my scroll switch on the mouse is getting worn out.


I'll post my posts any god-dammed way I feel, got it?


Got what?

Or is that get what?

Loogypicker February 28th 08 10:26 PM

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"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:19:18 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:


"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:05:14 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

We could start by saying we're sorry for blaming 9-11 on them.

Will you freakin' morons learn how to snip posts?

Damn - my scroll switch on the mouse is getting worn out.


I'll post my posts any god-dammed way I feel, got it?


Got what?

Or is that get what?


Watch it pal. I'll be in you're neck of the woods soon. Maybe we can get
together and see how smart assed you are to my face.



agent X February 28th 08 10:32 PM

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Just for Valgard, I'll top post.
To booger. Here's my I'm sorry. Hope it helps.

"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:05:14 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

We could start by saying we're sorry for blaming 9-11 on them.


Will you freakin' morons learn how to snip posts?

Damn - my scroll switch on the mouse is getting worn out.



Loogypicker February 28th 08 10:54 PM

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"agent X" wrote in message
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Just for Valgard, I'll top post.
To booger. Here's my I'm sorry. Hope it helps.


No, you're sorry will not help. Untill BushCo is out of power nothing will
change.

Look what they had the nerve to do today-

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/bre...breaking70.htm


How dare they. They could have at least changed the name to help reduce
tensions. They're evil knows no bounds.



HK February 28th 08 11:07 PM

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Loogypicker wrote:
"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:19:18 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:05:14 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

We could start by saying we're sorry for blaming 9-11 on them.
Will you freakin' morons learn how to snip posts?

Damn - my scroll switch on the mouse is getting worn out.
I'll post my posts any god-dammed way I feel, got it?

Got what?

Or is that get what?


Watch it pal. I'll be in you're neck of the woods soon. Maybe we can get
together and see how smart assed you are to my face.




You were more entertaining when you were "Bassy" and pretending to be an
engineer.

Valgard Toebreakerson February 28th 08 11:09 PM

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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:26:02 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:


"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:19:18 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:


"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:05:14 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

We could start by saying we're sorry for blaming 9-11 on them.

Will you freakin' morons learn how to snip posts?

Damn - my scroll switch on the mouse is getting worn out.

I'll post my posts any god-dammed way I feel, got it?


Got what?

Or is that get what?


Watch it pal. I'll be in you're neck of the woods soon. Maybe we can get
together and see how smart assed you are to my face.


I'm not sure that would be wise having my ass in your face.

We Vikings eat a lot of lutefisk and raw eggs. We also regard the
ordor of properly fermented intestinal gasses an art form.

Loogypicker February 28th 08 11:15 PM

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"HK" wrote in message
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Loogypicker wrote:
"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:19:18 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:05:14 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

We could start by saying we're sorry for blaming 9-11 on them.
Will you freakin' morons learn how to snip posts?

Damn - my scroll switch on the mouse is getting worn out.
I'll post my posts any god-dammed way I feel, got it?
Got what?

Or is that get what?


Watch it pal. I'll be in you're neck of the woods soon. Maybe we can get
together and see how smart assed you are to my face.



You were more entertaining when you were "Bassy" and pretending to be an
engineer.


You want a piece of this to old man?




Loogypicker February 28th 08 11:19 PM

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"HK" wrote in message
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Loogypicker wrote:
"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:19:18 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:05:14 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

We could start by saying we're sorry for blaming 9-11 on them.
Will you freakin' morons learn how to snip posts?

Damn - my scroll switch on the mouse is getting worn out.
I'll post my posts any god-dammed way I feel, got it?
Got what?

Or is that get what?


Watch it pal. I'll be in you're neck of the woods soon. Maybe we can get
together and see how smart assed you are to my face.



You were more entertaining when you were "Bassy" and pretending to be an
engineer.


Pretending? puh-lease. I am an engineer.



HK February 28th 08 11:24 PM

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Loogypicker wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Loogypicker wrote:
"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:19:18 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:05:14 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

We could start by saying we're sorry for blaming 9-11 on them.
Will you freakin' morons learn how to snip posts?

Damn - my scroll switch on the mouse is getting worn out.
I'll post my posts any god-dammed way I feel, got it?
Got what?

Or is that get what?
Watch it pal. I'll be in you're neck of the woods soon. Maybe we can get
together and see how smart assed you are to my face.


You were more entertaining when you were "Bassy" and pretending to be an
engineer.


You want a piece of this to old man?





Please, "Bass-snatcher," you're not even be a match for my old arthritic
tomcat, Casper. Both of us would pay a dollar, though, to see you and
that other pussy here, "Reggie," lick each other.

HK February 28th 08 11:25 PM

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Loogypicker wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Loogypicker wrote:
"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:19:18 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:05:14 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

We could start by saying we're sorry for blaming 9-11 on them.
Will you freakin' morons learn how to snip posts?

Damn - my scroll switch on the mouse is getting worn out.
I'll post my posts any god-dammed way I feel, got it?
Got what?

Or is that get what?
Watch it pal. I'll be in you're neck of the woods soon. Maybe we can get
together and see how smart assed you are to my face.


You were more entertaining when you were "Bassy" and pretending to be an
engineer.


Pretending? puh-lease. I am an engineer.



Yeah, right, and I'm a rocket scientist.

Loogypicker February 28th 08 11:38 PM

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"JimH" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Loogypicker wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Loogypicker wrote:
"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:19:18 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:05:14 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

We could start by saying we're sorry for blaming 9-11 on them.
Will you freakin' morons learn how to snip posts?

Damn - my scroll switch on the mouse is getting worn out.
I'll post my posts any god-dammed way I feel, got it?
Got what?

Or is that get what?
Watch it pal. I'll be in you're neck of the woods soon. Maybe we can
get together and see how smart assed you are to my face.

You were more entertaining when you were "Bassy" and pretending to be
an engineer.

You want a piece of this to old man?





Please, "Bass-snatcher," you're not even be a match for my old arthritic
tomcat, Casper. Both of us would pay a dollar, though, to see you and
that other pussy here, "Reggie," lick each other.


You are replying to a sockpuppet of another member here. This guy is not
the real Booger.

As I said several times before.........this NG has turned into nothing
more than a freekin 3 ring circus.

Artie Choke, Loogiepicker, Valgard Toebreakerson. agent X, Reginald
Smithers III...........................

Nice going guys!


Stop stalking me.



HK February 28th 08 11:40 PM

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JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Loogypicker wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Loogypicker wrote:
"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:19:18 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:05:14 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

We could start by saying we're sorry for blaming 9-11 on them.
Will you freakin' morons learn how to snip posts?

Damn - my scroll switch on the mouse is getting worn out.
I'll post my posts any god-dammed way I feel, got it?
Got what?

Or is that get what?
Watch it pal. I'll be in you're neck of the woods soon. Maybe we can
get together and see how smart assed you are to my face.
You were more entertaining when you were "Bassy" and pretending to be an
engineer.
You want a piece of this to old man?




Please, "Bass-snatcher," you're not even be a match for my old arthritic
tomcat, Casper. Both of us would pay a dollar, though, to see you and that
other pussy here, "Reggie," lick each other.


You are replying to a sockpuppet of another member here. This guy is not
the real Booger.

As I said several times before.........this NG has turned into nothing more
than a freekin 3 ring circus.

Artie Choke, Loogiepicker, Valgard Toebreakerson. agent X, Reginald Smithers
III...........................

Nice going guys!




They're all the same to me. Thanks, though.

HK February 28th 08 11:43 PM

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JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Loogypicker wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Loogypicker wrote:
"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:19:18 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:05:14 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

We could start by saying we're sorry for blaming 9-11 on them.
Will you freakin' morons learn how to snip posts?

Damn - my scroll switch on the mouse is getting worn out.
I'll post my posts any god-dammed way I feel, got it?
Got what?

Or is that get what?
Watch it pal. I'll be in you're neck of the woods soon. Maybe we can
get together and see how smart assed you are to my face.
You were more entertaining when you were "Bassy" and pretending to be an
engineer.
Pretending? puh-lease. I am an engineer.

Yeah, right, and I'm a rocket scientist.


Psst Harry.........the guy is a sock puppet of some sick member here.




Jim...how can you tell one FLEEG from another?

FLEEG: Someone with a flat-line EEG.

Valgard Toebreakerson February 28th 08 11:54 PM

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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:15:45 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
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Loogypicker wrote:
"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:19:18 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:05:14 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

We could start by saying we're sorry for blaming 9-11 on them.
Will you freakin' morons learn how to snip posts?

Damn - my scroll switch on the mouse is getting worn out.
I'll post my posts any god-dammed way I feel, got it?
Got what?

Or is that get what?

Watch it pal. I'll be in you're neck of the woods soon. Maybe we can get
together and see how smart assed you are to my face.



You were more entertaining when you were "Bassy" and pretending to be an
engineer.


You want a piece of this to old man?


Now here is an interesting point of grammar.

To in this instance would seem to be incorrect in the context of
pointing - for instance, toward a point, person, place, or thing,
implied or understood.

However, too is also problematic - in addition; also; furthermore;
moreover.

I suggest that in the future when confronted with this type of
stylistic choice that we use to/too, for the illiterate 2/two or for
those who wish to cover all choices to demonstrate solidarity for all
mankind to/too/2/two and allow readers to make their own choice.

A. B. Normal February 28th 08 11:57 PM

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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:32:46 -0500, "agent X"
wrote:

Just for Valgard, I'll top post.
To booger. Here's my I'm sorry. Hope it helps.


Top posting is a sin.

Confess and repent.

Loogypicker February 28th 08 11:59 PM

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"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:15:45 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
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Loogypicker wrote:
"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:19:18 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:05:14 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

We could start by saying we're sorry for blaming 9-11 on them.
Will you freakin' morons learn how to snip posts?

Damn - my scroll switch on the mouse is getting worn out.
I'll post my posts any god-dammed way I feel, got it?
Got what?

Or is that get what?

Watch it pal. I'll be in you're neck of the woods soon. Maybe we can
get
together and see how smart assed you are to my face.


You were more entertaining when you were "Bassy" and pretending to be an
engineer.


You want a piece of this to old man?


Now here is an interesting point of grammar.

To in this instance would seem to be incorrect in the context of
pointing - for instance, toward a point, person, place, or thing,
implied or understood.

However, too is also problematic - in addition; also; furthermore;
moreover.

I suggest that in the future when confronted with this type of
stylistic choice that we use to/too, for the illiterate 2/two or for
those who wish to cover all choices to demonstrate solidarity for all
mankind to/too/2/two and allow readers to make their own choice.


What to hell are you talking about? Stop stalking me, stalker.



S. T. Alker February 29th 08 12:05 AM

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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:59:25 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:


"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:15:45 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
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Loogypicker wrote:
"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:19:18 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:05:14 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

We could start by saying we're sorry for blaming 9-11 on them.
Will you freakin' morons learn how to snip posts?

Damn - my scroll switch on the mouse is getting worn out.
I'll post my posts any god-dammed way I feel, got it?
Got what?

Or is that get what?

Watch it pal. I'll be in you're neck of the woods soon. Maybe we can
get
together and see how smart assed you are to my face.


You were more entertaining when you were "Bassy" and pretending to be an
engineer.

You want a piece of this to old man?


Now here is an interesting point of grammar.

To in this instance would seem to be incorrect in the context of
pointing - for instance, toward a point, person, place, or thing,
implied or understood.

However, too is also problematic - in addition; also; furthermore;
moreover.

I suggest that in the future when confronted with this type of
stylistic choice that we use to/too, for the illiterate 2/two or for
those who wish to cover all choices to demonstrate solidarity for all
mankind to/too/2/two and allow readers to make their own choice.


What to hell are you talking about? Stop stalking me, stalker.


No.

[email protected] February 29th 08 12:06 AM

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On Feb 28, 6:40*pm, HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Loogypicker wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Loogypicker wrote:
"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
om...
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:19:18 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:


"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
news:ahces390jk0dahhh3akiju9b92sbe30ufs@4ax .com...
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:05:14 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:


We could start by saying we're sorry for blaming 9-11 on them.
Will you freakin' morons learn how to snip posts?


Damn - my scroll switch on the mouse is getting worn out.
I'll post my posts any god-dammed way I feel, got it?
Got what?


Or is that get what?
Watch it pal. I'll be in you're neck of the woods soon. Maybe we can
get together and see how smart assed you are to my face.
You were more entertaining when you were "Bassy" and pretending to be an
engineer.
You want a piece of this to old man?


Please, "Bass-snatcher," you're not even be a match for my old arthritic
tomcat, Casper. Both of us would pay a dollar, though, to see you and that
other pussy here, "Reggie," lick each other.


You are replying to a sockpuppet of another member here. *This guy is not
the real Booger.


As I said several times before.........this NG has turned into nothing more
than a freekin 3 ring circus.


Artie Choke, Loogiepicker, Valgard Toebreakerson. agent X, Reginald Smithers
III...........................


Nice going guys!


They're all the same to me. Thanks, though.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


The new sock puppet(s) sounds like Joe Drunk in his Bedroom....
Probably ****ed off cause so many here dismissed him, that would be my
bet.

Loogypicker February 29th 08 12:12 AM

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"S. T. Alker" wrote in message
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What to hell are you talking about? Stop stalking me, stalker.


No.


I'd love to see you try to say that to my face.



HK February 29th 08 12:18 AM

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wrote:
On Feb 28, 6:40 pm, HK wrote:
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Loogypicker wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Loogypicker wrote:
"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:19:18 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:
"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:05:14 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:
We could start by saying we're sorry for blaming 9-11 on them.
Will you freakin' morons learn how to snip posts?
Damn - my scroll switch on the mouse is getting worn out.
I'll post my posts any god-dammed way I feel, got it?
Got what?
Or is that get what?
Watch it pal. I'll be in you're neck of the woods soon. Maybe we can
get together and see how smart assed you are to my face.
You were more entertaining when you were "Bassy" and pretending to be an
engineer.
You want a piece of this to old man?
Please, "Bass-snatcher," you're not even be a match for my old arthritic
tomcat, Casper. Both of us would pay a dollar, though, to see you and that
other pussy here, "Reggie," lick each other.
You are replying to a sockpuppet of another member here. This guy is not
the real Booger.
As I said several times before.........this NG has turned into nothing more
than a freekin 3 ring circus.
Artie Choke, Loogiepicker, Valgard Toebreakerson. agent X, Reginald Smithers
III...........................
Nice going guys!

They're all the same to me. Thanks, though.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


The new sock puppet(s) sounds like Joe Drunk in his Bedroom....
Probably ****ed off cause so many here dismissed him, that would be my
bet.



All the idiots -Reggie, Bassy, "Dan," "Blurtie," "Jim," et cetera -read
exactly the same to me: idiots. It's difficult for me to tell them
apart. They're all non-boaters, and they're all here because if they
went to their neighborhood pub and behaved as they did here, they'd get
the crap punched out of them.

S. T. Alker February 29th 08 12:26 AM

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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:12:31 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:


"S. T. Alker" wrote in message
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What to hell are you talking about? Stop stalking me, stalker.


No.


I'd love to see you try to say that to my face.


Anytime gasbag.

Loogypicker February 29th 08 12:31 AM

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"S. T. Alker" wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:12:31 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:


"S. T. Alker" wrote in message
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What to hell are you talking about? Stop stalking me, stalker.

No.


I'd love to see you try to say that to my face.


Anytime gasbag.


You're childish name calling does nothing for you're credibility.

And, I'll be traveling to your town soon, let me know were you'd like to
meet.



S. T. Alker February 29th 08 12:34 AM

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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:31:49 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:


"S. T. Alker" wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:12:31 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:


"S. T. Alker" wrote in message
...


What to hell are you talking about? Stop stalking me, stalker.

No.

I'd love to see you try to say that to my face.


Anytime gasbag.


You're childish name calling does nothing for you're credibility.

And, I'll be traveling to your town soon, let me know were you'd like to
meet.


Just ask anybody - they'll give you directions.

I'll be waiting gasbag.

BAR February 29th 08 12:51 AM

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D.Duck wrote:
wrote in message
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On Feb 27, 1:28 pm, wrote:
On Feb 27, 1:00 pm, hkrause wrote:





D-unit wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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The price of a bbl of oil last night.
Average retail price for a gallon of unleaded regular, in this state,
is now $3.35. That's up 85-cents from the same time last year.
Premium
typically runs about 30 cents more. The annual spring price gouge we
have endured each of the last several years should be getting
underway
very soon, as the
refiners all claim to be passing along the costs of converting from
winter to summer formulations.
The challenge for boaters who don't care and say, "We can afford to
pay for fuel, regardless of the cost", will be the disappearing
infrastructure.
When the working man has to give up boating because he can't afford
to
fuel up for a weekend's outing, it guts the infrastructure that
everybody depends on. Without the critical mass of the small boaters,
many of the service businesses and retailers upon which the entire
boating community relies cannot remain in business. There is less
justification for the state to set aside marine parks or otherwise
prioritize boating recreation.
I wish I had a solution. I don't. But when poor families are facing a
"heat or eat" decision every week while BIGOILCO makes $40-billion
profits
it's possible to see the human tragedy in play, even without being
able to identify a solution.
And this is with a gasoline surplus.. Just wait till supplies run low.
Ouch.
db
No mystery here...just bend over for Big Oil and its facilitators in the
Bush Administration.- Hide quoted text -
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Did you ever think our enemies who seem to control the oil and
terrorism have nothing to do with this? It is a fact that you can not
dispute that these terrorist regimes want to raise the prices and make
the repubs look bad and get voted out of office. After all, repubs
shoot back when we are attacked, dems talk....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Take a look at historical data and you'll see something astonishing.
It seems that talking works! All that happens when we think we are
going after the "enemy" is **** them off. After all, it doesn't make
very good business sense at all. Think about it. What if, say, you
were making widgets and I was the sole manufacturer of the number one
component that those widgets needed to operate. Would you think I'd be
more than likely to work with you, monetarily wise if you were decent
to me, or if you ****ed me off?


Japan and Germany say hi.

Can you spell A bomb?


BAR February 29th 08 12:56 AM

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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 28, 3:41 am, BAR wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 27, 5:05�pm, "Sam" wrote:
While I think it already is a free and competitive market, what changes
would you propose?- Hide quoted text -
The same measures that were taken against other vertically integrated
oligarchies in the past. Power, phone, water, etc.

[ Big Snip ]

You want prices controls and regulation.


Don't be so deliberately dense. Read instead of react. I'm sure you
*snipped* it before you read it.......after all you've got Limbaugh
and the rest of your trainers to tell you how liberals think, so why
bother?


I don't have time to listen to those guys. I have a real job.

Since you didn't bother to read before you reacted emotionally here,
I'll repeat. What I would like to see would be meaningful competition
at all level of the distribution process, an no more winks, nods, and
reach arounds by the three main bedfellows.


Start a company that does any or all of the following:
1) Drills for crude
2) Transports crude to refineries
3) Refines crude to gasoline
4) Transports gasoline to filling stations
5) Operate your own filling station

Rather than talking about it, get off your ass and make it happen,
otherwise STFU.

Why don't we limit profit to 1% on everything. One percent profit should
be enough shouldn't it?



I have no idea where you come up with some zany crap like that.
It has no relevance to anything I posted here.


You want artificial controls. Limiting profits is an artificial control.

Why do you believe in a free market when it comes to selling boats and
cars but not when it comes to selling oil.


Hello in there........ I am calling for the same kind of free market
thta *does* exist when it comes to selling boats and cars and
*doesn't* exist when it comes to selling oil. If you want the car
business to adopt the oil company model, you would need to start by
eliminating all of the independently owned new car dealerships across
the country and make them "factory outlets". The auto factories occupy
a similar space in the distribution chain that the refineries do, so
you would really need to have the auto factories bought up by big
steel producers, and you would need to eliminate the 1000,s of
subcontracting companies that
currently contribute to the construction of a car or truck. There's a
very active free market in the auto and boat industries, due in part
to the fact that new cars and new boats are always in competition with
used products as well as new cars and boats built by other
manufacturers.


See above where I strongly suggest that you stop talking and start working.

New boat companies start up every year. Most don't last all that long,
but they start up nonetheless. When was the last time somebody started
a new oil company?


Why don't they last that long?

If it was easy you would be doing it already? Right!

What I want to know is why is gasoline at the pump so cheap compared to
the cost of a bbl of crude? When oil was $50 a bbl we were paying $3 per
gallon of gas and now that oil is $100 a bbl we are still paying $3 per
gallon. Why?


Because there is no direct correlation between the price of refined
products and the price of crude oil. They only thing they have in
common is the same company is making money at every step of the
distribution process.

Can you spell "ENRON"?


Enron is gone, Key Lay is dead and the world is still turning.




BAR February 29th 08 01:10 AM

$100.88
 
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 28, 5:44�am, BAR wrote:

The guy who runs the bakery down the street gets tax breaks to purchase
new equipment every three years. Is this good or bad for the US economy?- Hide quoted text -


It's highway robbery, when the guy who runs the bakery *already* has
the exclusive right to sell bread and is essentially unrestricted in
his ability to generate gross profit.


Start a bakery right next door to him.

It's highway robbery, when the baker grinds wheat harvested from
public lands, bakes it into a loaf, and then sells it back to the
public at a ridiculous markup. (all the while blaming the "guy who
grinds the wheat!")


Do you believe in personal property?

It's highway robbery when Ma and Pa Cornerstore are forced to pay so
much for refined products that they can't make a go of it and are
forced to sell their business. Of course, since there is no profit
being earned on the sale of refined petroleum products the only
prospective buyer turns out to be BIGOILCO. Amazingly enough, after Ma
and Pa Cornerstore go BK and move in with their kids there is suddenly
enough profit available at that same location for the new owners
(BIGOILCO) to tear down the building, build a new one, add a Subway
Sandwich shop, and hire enough staff to be open 24/7/365.


Stop whining.

Don't forget, almost the very first thing that was done after the 2000
election was to call the BIGOILCO executives to Washington DC. There
they sat down in closed door meetings with Dick Cheney to "outline the
national energy policy".


This country, this world runs on energy. You have India and China
booming and sucking up more and more energy. I would expect that the
president called in the CEO's of the energy companies and had a talk
about how we can continue to supply oil based products to the US to keep
the US economy going.

Just think what will happen when the India and China start buying super
tanker loads of oil for a dollar a barrel more than the US does.

We shouldn't reward predators with a tax break.


If you are the only boat dealer in town are you a predator? Should the
government shut you down until viable competition arrives? Or, should
the government limit your, the brokers, profits?

DK February 29th 08 01:20 AM

$100.88
 
wrote:
On Feb 28, 2:02 pm, "Loogypicker" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Feb 28, 1:43 pm, "Loogypicker" wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:37:28 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:
Now the oil companies charge themselves $100 a bbl.
How do you suppose that price determined ?
It doesn't matter why, it's just not fair.

It's not me, Wayne, it's my little stalker boy/girl........

I'll be travelling to you're town real soon. Would you like to meet? I'd
love to see you call me that to my face!


No problem, little stalker boy/girl.....


I've heard that before...

Eat Me, Trolls February 29th 08 01:29 AM

$100.88
 
On Feb 27, 1:17*pm, "Sam" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

...

I wish I had a solution. I don't. But when poor families are facing a
"heat or eat" decision every week while BIGOILCO makes *$40-billion
profits.......................


A few things to remember:

1. You are not entitled to anything... cheap gasoline included.

2. The point of setting up a for-profit business is TO MAKE A PROFIT.

3. Exxon does not set the price of oil.

4. Exxon's profit margins are around 10%, not unreasonable when you compare
it to Pfizer, which manages to make 17% on the backs of the sick and dying..
Exxon also paid 30 billion in corporate taxes last year which is more than
the combined total income tax paid by the bottom 50% of tax payers in the
US.

Total taxes paid by Exxon exceed 120 billion if you include all taxes
(franchise, payroll, property, severance and excise taxes). Their total
corporate tax was over 300k per employee.

5. If you are unhappy with the price of gasoline, you may, at any time, take
a train, ride a bike, walk, or ride the bus. All of these options will
reduce your energy costs.

Full disclosure- I am a shareholder of Exxon :-)


Classic " Amereeecan " attitude. What a dick.

Eat Me, Trolls February 29th 08 01:31 AM

$100.88
 
On Feb 27, 10:02*pm, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote

The price of a bbl of oil last night.


I prefer to look on the bright side: Maybe this will bring that guy just
up-river from me with the 40' Searay to the realization that plowing up a
tsunami-like wake as he goes by my dock is not the most efficient way to
travel.


Guys like that suddenly get mysterious " holes ' in the bottom of
their boats, while at dock...Dam Beavers......

BAR February 29th 08 02:41 AM

$100.88
 
wrote:
On Feb 28, 8:45 am, BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 27, 8:05 pm, "Sam" wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Gould"
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:37 PM
Subject: $100.88
On Feb 27, 10:17?am, "Sam" wrote:
5. If you are unhappy with the price of gasoline, you may, at any time,
take
a train, ride a bike, walk, or ride the bus. All of these options will
reduce your energy costs.
I might also wish for a free and competitive market, rather than an
oligarchy.
While I think it already is a free and competitive market, what changes
would you propose?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Quite governmenet subsidies and tax breaks for big oil. We as
taxpayers are getting shafted twice because of just that.

Your retirement account says hello!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


What part of my retirement assets have anything to do with my
government using my money to subsidise and give tax breaks to big oil?
Except for the fact that BushCo is borrowing like drunken whores from
China?


Your retirement money is dependent upon buisness in general and that
means "big oil" too. Unlike Harry who invests in dirt and has non liquid
assets the rest of us are invested in public and private corporations.
You won't get any interest by stuffing your money in a mattress.

When "big oil" finds another oil field with hundreds of billions of
barrels of oil you will thank the government for encouraging "big oil"
to search for oil.

BAR February 29th 08 02:47 AM

$100.88
 
wrote:
On Feb 28, 12:22 pm, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:01:17 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Feb 27, 1:28 pm, wrote:
On Feb 27, 1:00 pm, hkrause wrote:
D-unit wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
...
The price of a bbl of oil last night.
Average retail price for a gallon of unleaded regular, in this state,
is now $3.35. That's up 85-cents from the same time last year.
Premium
typically runs about 30 cents more. The annual spring price gouge we
have endured each of the last several years should be getting
underway
very soon, as the
refiners all claim to be passing along the costs of converting from
winter to summer formulations.
The challenge for boaters who don't care and say, "We can afford to
pay for fuel, regardless of the cost", will be the disappearing
infrastructure.
When the working man has to give up boating because he can't afford
to
fuel up for a weekend's outing, it guts the infrastructure that
everybody depends on. Without the critical mass of the small boaters,
many of the service businesses and retailers upon which the entire
boating community relies cannot remain in business. There is less
justification for the state to set aside marine parks or otherwise
prioritize boating recreation.
I wish I had a solution. I don't. But when poor families are facing a
"heat or eat" decision every week while BIGOILCO makes $40-billion
profits
it's possible to see the human tragedy in play, even without being
able to identify a solution.
And this is with a gasoline surplus.. Just wait till supplies run low.
Ouch.
db
No mystery here...just bend over for Big Oil and its facilitators in the
Bush Administration.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Did you ever think our enemies who seem to control the oil and
terrorism have nothing to do with this? It is a fact that you can not
dispute that these terrorist regimes want to raise the prices and make
the repubs look bad and get voted out of office. After all, repubs
shoot back when we are attacked, dems talk....- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Take a look at historical data and you'll see something astonishing.
It seems that talking works! All that happens when we think we are
going after the "enemy" is **** them off. After all, it doesn't make
very good business sense at all. Think about it. What if, say, you
were making widgets and I was the sole manufacturer of the number one
component that those widgets needed to operate. Would you think I'd be
more than likely to work with you, monetarily wise if you were decent
to me, or if you ****ed me off?
Can you spell A bomb?

Just ask Chamberlain. He'll tell you how much talking works.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain

--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Just ask Reagan if talks work.

http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed061404c.cfm

Portions therein:
Ronald Reagan was a strong believer in personal diplomacy - the idea
of having a face-to-face discussion with those he was seeking to
persuade. That's why, after becoming president, he often talked
privately about the desire to engage the leader of the Soviet Union in
a one-on-one conversation, to diminish any fear of the United States'
intentions and to seek common ground for reducing tensions and
promoting peace.


Ronald Reagan best use of diplomacy was to stop talking and walk out on
Mikhail Gorbachev.

BAR February 29th 08 02:51 AM

$100.88
 
Loogypicker wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:04:45 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Feb 28, 12:22 pm, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:01:17 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Feb 27, 1:28 pm, wrote:
On Feb 27, 1:00 pm, hkrause wrote:
D-unit wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
...
The price of a bbl of oil last night.
Average retail price for a gallon of unleaded regular, in this
state,
is now $3.35. That's up 85-cents from the same time last year.
Premium
typically runs about 30 cents more. The annual spring price
gouge we
have endured each of the last several years should be getting
underway
very soon, as the
refiners all claim to be passing along the costs of converting
from
winter to summer formulations.
The challenge for boaters who don't care and say, "We can afford
to
pay for fuel, regardless of the cost", will be the disappearing
infrastructure.
When the working man has to give up boating because he can't
afford
to
fuel up for a weekend's outing, it guts the infrastructure that
everybody depends on. Without the critical mass of the small
boaters,
many of the service businesses and retailers upon which the
entire
boating community relies cannot remain in business. There is
less
justification for the state to set aside marine parks or
otherwise
prioritize boating recreation.
I wish I had a solution. I don't. But when poor families are
facing a
"heat or eat" decision every week while BIGOILCO makes
$40-billion
profits
it's possible to see the human tragedy in play, even without
being
able to identify a solution.
And this is with a gasoline surplus.. Just wait till supplies run
low.
Ouch.
db
No mystery here...just bend over for Big Oil and its facilitators
in the
Bush Administration.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Did you ever think our enemies who seem to control the oil and
terrorism have nothing to do with this? It is a fact that you can not
dispute that these terrorist regimes want to raise the prices and
make
the repubs look bad and get voted out of office. After all, repubs
shoot back when we are attacked, dems talk....- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Take a look at historical data and you'll see something astonishing.
It seems that talking works! All that happens when we think we are
going after the "enemy" is **** them off. After all, it doesn't make
very good business sense at all. Think about it. What if, say, you
were making widgets and I was the sole manufacturer of the number one
component that those widgets needed to operate. Would you think I'd be
more than likely to work with you, monetarily wise if you were decent
to me, or if you ****ed me off?
Can you spell A bomb?
Just ask Chamberlain. He'll tell you how much talking works.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain

--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Just ask Reagan if talks work.

http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed061404c.cfm

Portions therein:
Ronald Reagan was a strong believer in personal diplomacy - the idea
of having a face-to-face discussion with those he was seeking to
persuade. That's why, after becoming president, he often talked
privately about the desire to engage the leader of the Soviet Union in
a one-on-one conversation, to diminish any fear of the United States'
intentions and to seek common ground for reducing tensions and
promoting peace.

You gotta know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em. And, you gotta
know when to shoot and when to hold your fire.

Of course, that assumes you've got something to shoot.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."


But we haven't even TRIED yet to talk to Al Qaeda. You goose steppers won't
even give them a chance to negotiate.
How much madder to you want to make them?


We arrive at the talks with Al Qaeda in a t-shirt, and Al Qaeda shows up
with a sword to cut off our heads.



BAR February 29th 08 02:52 AM

$100.88
 
Loogypicker wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:37:28 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

Now the oil companies charge themselves $100 a bbl.

How do you suppose that price determined ?


It doesn't matter why, it's just not fair.



Ask Chuck how the value of an item is determined?


agent X February 29th 08 03:38 AM

$100.88
 

"A. B. Normal" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:32:46 -0500, "agent X"
wrote:

Just for Valgard, I'll top post.
To booger. Here's my I'm sorry. Hope it helps.


Top posting is a sin.

Confess and repent.


I never pent and I will not repent. A b normal indeed.


BAR February 29th 08 03:51 AM

$100.88
 
Artie Choke wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:28:22 -0500, "agent X"
wrote:

What could we do or say or give them that would cause them stop hating us?


Bubble gum.

Or a Coke.


I'd like to teach the world to sing.....

BAR February 29th 08 03:51 AM

$100.88
 
Artie Choke wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:28:22 -0500, "agent X"
wrote:

What could we do or say or give them that would cause them stop hating us?


Bubble gum.

Or a Coke.


I'd like to teach the world to sing.....

BAR February 29th 08 03:53 AM

$100.88
 
Loogypicker wrote:
"agent X" wrote in message
...
"Loogypicker" wrote in message
news:1%Dxj.36736$v57.18776@trnddc05...
"agent X" wrote in message
...
"Loogypicker" wrote in message
news:rtDxj.20772$Hd.17194@trnddc02...
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:35:22 GMT, "Loogypicker"

wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:04:45 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Feb 28, 12:22 pm, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:01:17 -0500, "D.Duck"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Feb 27, 1:28 pm, wrote:
On Feb 27, 1:00 pm, hkrause wrote:
D-unit wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
...
The price of a bbl of oil last night.
Average retail price for a gallon of unleaded regular, in
this
state,
is now $3.35. That's up 85-cents from the same time last
year.
Premium
typically runs about 30 cents more. The annual spring
price
gouge we
have endured each of the last several years should be
getting
underway
very soon, as the
refiners all claim to be passing along the costs of
converting
from
winter to summer formulations.
The challenge for boaters who don't care and say, "We can
afford
to
pay for fuel, regardless of the cost", will be the
disappearing
infrastructure.
When the working man has to give up boating because he
can't
afford
to
fuel up for a weekend's outing, it guts the infrastructure
that
everybody depends on. Without the critical mass of the
small
boaters,
many of the service businesses and retailers upon which
the
entire
boating community relies cannot remain in business. There
is
less
justification for the state to set aside marine parks or
otherwise
prioritize boating recreation.
I wish I had a solution. I don't. But when poor families
are
facing a
"heat or eat" decision every week while BIGOILCO makes
$40-billion
profits
it's possible to see the human tragedy in play, even
without
being
able to identify a solution.
And this is with a gasoline surplus.. Just wait till
supplies run
low.
Ouch.
db
No mystery here...just bend over for Big Oil and its
facilitators
in the
Bush Administration.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Did you ever think our enemies who seem to control the oil and
terrorism have nothing to do with this? It is a fact that you
can not
dispute that these terrorist regimes want to raise the prices
and
make
the repubs look bad and get voted out of office. After all,
repubs
shoot back when we are attacked, dems talk....- Hide quoted
text -
- Show quoted text -
Take a look at historical data and you'll see something
astonishing.
It seems that talking works! All that happens when we think we
are
going after the "enemy" is **** them off. After all, it doesn't
make
very good business sense at all. Think about it. What if, say,
you
were making widgets and I was the sole manufacturer of the number
one
component that those widgets needed to operate. Would you think
I'd be
more than likely to work with you, monetarily wise if you were
decent
to me, or if you ****ed me off?
Can you spell A bomb?
Just ask Chamberlain. He'll tell you how much talking works.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain

--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -
Just ask Reagan if talks work.

http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed061404c.cfm

Portions therein:
Ronald Reagan was a strong believer in personal diplomacy - the idea
of having a face-to-face discussion with those he was seeking to
persuade. That's why, after becoming president, he often talked
privately about the desire to engage the leader of the Soviet Union
in
a one-on-one conversation, to diminish any fear of the United
States'
intentions and to seek common ground for reducing tensions and
promoting peace.
You gotta know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em. And, you
gotta
know when to shoot and when to hold your fire.

Of course, that assumes you've got something to shoot.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."
But we haven't even TRIED yet to talk to Al Qaeda. You goose steppers
won't
even give them a chance to negotiate.
How much madder to you want to make them?

Oh. It's about talking to Al Qaeda.
Not just them, the Talyban too.

That's a lot of people to talk to. Narrow it down a bit and I'm sure
Harry would volunteer to pop over there and negotiate a settlement for
us.
We just have to talk to the leaders, I'm sure the rest will fall in line.
If we can stop them from hating us it will go along way towards stopping
hate.

Maybe we could use Harry's lobsta boat to sign the treaties on!

What could we do or say or give them that would cause them stop hating us?


We could start by saying we're sorry for blaming 9-11 on them.


Who is them?

agent X February 29th 08 03:53 AM

$100.88
 

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
Loogypicker wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:04:45 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Feb 28, 12:22 pm, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:01:17 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Feb 27, 1:28 pm, wrote:
On Feb 27, 1:00 pm, hkrause wrote:
D-unit wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
...
The price of a bbl of oil last night.
Average retail price for a gallon of unleaded regular, in this
state,
is now $3.35. That's up 85-cents from the same time last year.
Premium
typically runs about 30 cents more. The annual spring price gouge
we
have endured each of the last several years should be getting
underway
very soon, as the
refiners all claim to be passing along the costs of converting
from
winter to summer formulations.
The challenge for boaters who don't care and say, "We can afford
to
pay for fuel, regardless of the cost", will be the disappearing
infrastructure.
When the working man has to give up boating because he can't
afford
to
fuel up for a weekend's outing, it guts the infrastructure that
everybody depends on. Without the critical mass of the small
boaters,
many of the service businesses and retailers upon which the
entire
boating community relies cannot remain in business. There is less
justification for the state to set aside marine parks or
otherwise
prioritize boating recreation.
I wish I had a solution. I don't. But when poor families are
facing a
"heat or eat" decision every week while BIGOILCO makes
$40-billion
profits
it's possible to see the human tragedy in play, even without
being
able to identify a solution.
And this is with a gasoline surplus.. Just wait till supplies run
low.
Ouch.
db
No mystery here...just bend over for Big Oil and its facilitators
in the
Bush Administration.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Did you ever think our enemies who seem to control the oil and
terrorism have nothing to do with this? It is a fact that you can
not
dispute that these terrorist regimes want to raise the prices and
make
the repubs look bad and get voted out of office. After all, repubs
shoot back when we are attacked, dems talk....- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Take a look at historical data and you'll see something astonishing.
It seems that talking works! All that happens when we think we are
going after the "enemy" is **** them off. After all, it doesn't make
very good business sense at all. Think about it. What if, say, you
were making widgets and I was the sole manufacturer of the number one
component that those widgets needed to operate. Would you think I'd
be
more than likely to work with you, monetarily wise if you were decent
to me, or if you ****ed me off?
Can you spell A bomb?
Just ask Chamberlain. He'll tell you how much talking works.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain

--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Just ask Reagan if talks work.

http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed061404c.cfm

Portions therein:
Ronald Reagan was a strong believer in personal diplomacy - the idea
of having a face-to-face discussion with those he was seeking to
persuade. That's why, after becoming president, he often talked
privately about the desire to engage the leader of the Soviet Union in
a one-on-one conversation, to diminish any fear of the United States'
intentions and to seek common ground for reducing tensions and
promoting peace.
You gotta know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em. And, you
gotta
know when to shoot and when to hold your fire.

Of course, that assumes you've got something to shoot.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."


But we haven't even TRIED yet to talk to Al Qaeda. You goose steppers
won't even give them a chance to negotiate.
How much madder to you want to make them?


We arrive at the talks with Al Qaeda in a t-shirt, and Al Qaeda shows up
with a sword to cut off our heads.


That's what they do. And they love doing it.


BAR February 29th 08 03:53 AM

$100.88
 
Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:05:14 GMT, "Loogypicker"
wrote:

We could start by saying we're sorry for blaming 9-11 on them.


Will you freakin' morons learn how to snip posts?

Damn - my scroll switch on the mouse is getting worn out.


Get a Lenovo, formerly IBM, scroll point mouse. It has a cool little
blue finger joy stick instead of a scroll wheel.



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