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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:50:59 -0500, HK wrote:

If this is truly a "free" country, then no one, not even a child, should
have to participate in a mandatory "pledge" to an inanimate object, such
as a flag.

They have to pledge their allegience to the cuilt religion of
"environmentalism". You can't talk about patriotism or god but they
will get indoctrinated with any crackpot theory that the education
system embraces


Where (city, state) have you personally experienced this happening in a
school? I'm not doubting you. I'm just adding to the list of places where my
son should avoid raising a family.

So, where?

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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:00:43 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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They have to pledge their allegience to the cuilt religion of
"environmentalism". You can't talk about patriotism or god but they
will get indoctrinated with any crackpot theory that the education
system embraces


Where (city, state) have you personally experienced this happening in a
school? I'm not doubting you. I'm just adding to the list of places where
my
son should avoid raising a family.

So, where?

Lee County Florida for one but I am sure the save the manatee club and
the sierra club has influenced your school board too. It is just
stupid things like recycling as a religion and PETA causes that seem
to creep into the curriculum that really frost my ass. Most recently
it was just simple lies about where water flows in the estuary, driven
by a SMC tract that was handed out to teachers


Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those schools?
That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean, too?

On Jan 28, 8:17*pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:00:43 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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They have to pledge their allegience to the cuilt religion of
"environmentalism". You can't talk about patriotism or god but they
will get indoctrinated with any crackpot theory that the education
system embraces

Where (city, state) have you personally experienced this happening in a
school? I'm not doubting you. I'm just adding to the list of places where
my
son should avoid raising a family.

So, where?

Lee County Florida for one but I am sure the save the manatee club and
the sierra club has influenced your school board too. It is just
stupid things like recycling as a religion and PETA causes that seem
to creep into the curriculum that really frost my ass. Most recently
it was just simple lies about where water flows in the estuary, driven
by a SMC tract that was handed out to teachers

Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those schools?
That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean, too?- Hide quoted text -

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My childs school system is pretty fair about things but there are
always exceptions. Students always have had good debate in the last
few years especially since one of my childs peers father is a local
elected political figure. Most of the kids are pretty informed and
teachers stay out and act more as moderators. However this year they
have one teacher who openly bashes Bush as stupid, Republicans as
stupid and selfish, et'al', and allows pretty vigorous christian
bashing, including and not limited to Mormons, given the currant
political situation. My kid who is somewhat conservative and my kids
friend who is Mormon are afraid to even speak in this class, knowing
the teacher herself will probably be the first to lash out at them
with hate and insults. This particular group of kids has been together
and openly debated these issues in a civil fashion for years with each
other, they all know where they all stand. This year however the
christians and conservatives in this class don't get involved, just
play the game, get the grade, and get out.... Is that personal enough?

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On Jan 28, 8:17 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:00:43 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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They have to pledge their allegience to the cuilt religion of
"environmentalism". You can't talk about patriotism or god but they
will get indoctrinated with any crackpot theory that the education
system embraces

Where (city, state) have you personally experienced this happening in a
school? I'm not doubting you. I'm just adding to the list of places
where
my
son should avoid raising a family.

So, where?

Lee County Florida for one but I am sure the save the manatee club and
the sierra club has influenced your school board too. It is just
stupid things like recycling as a religion and PETA causes that seem
to creep into the curriculum that really frost my ass. Most recently
it was just simple lies about where water flows in the estuary, driven
by a SMC tract that was handed out to teachers

Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those schools?
That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean,
too?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

My childs school system is pretty fair about things but there are
always exceptions. Students always have had good debate in the last
few years especially since one of my childs peers father is a local
elected political figure. Most of the kids are pretty informed and
teachers stay out and act more as moderators. However this year they
have one teacher who openly bashes Bush as stupid, Republicans as
stupid and selfish, et'al', and allows pretty vigorous christian
bashing, including and not limited to Mormons, given the currant
political situation. My kid who is somewhat conservative and my kids
friend who is Mormon are afraid to even speak in this class, knowing
the teacher herself will probably be the first to lash out at them
with hate and insults. This particular group of kids has been together
and openly debated these issues in a civil fashion for years with each
other, they all know where they all stand. This year however the
christians and conservatives in this class don't get involved, just
play the game, get the grade, and get out.... Is that personal enough?

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How old is your kid?

On Jan 28, 8:50*pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:00:43 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

They have to pledge their allegience to the cuilt religion of
"environmentalism". You can't talk about patriotism or god but they
will get indoctrinated with any crackpot theory that the education
system embraces

Where (city, state) have you personally experienced this happening in a
school? I'm not doubting you. I'm just adding to the list of places
where
my
son should avoid raising a family.

So, where?

Lee County Florida for one but I am sure the save the manatee club and
the sierra club has influenced your school board too. It is just
stupid things like recycling as a religion and PETA causes that seem
to creep into the curriculum that really frost my ass. Most recently
it was just simple lies about where water flows in the estuary, driven
by a SMC tract that was handed out to teachers

Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those schools?
That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean,
too?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

My childs school system is pretty fair about things but there are
always exceptions. Students always have had good debate in the last
few years especially since one of my childs peers father is a local
elected political figure. Most of the kids are pretty informed and
teachers stay out and act more as moderators. However this year they
have one teacher who openly bashes Bush as stupid, Republicans as
stupid and selfish, et'al', and allows pretty vigorous christian
bashing, including and not limited to Mormons, given the currant
political situation. My kid who is somewhat conservative and my kids
friend who is Mormon are afraid to even speak in this class, knowing
the teacher herself will probably be the first to lash out at them
with hate and insults. This particular group of kids has been together
and openly debated these issues in a civil fashion for years with each
other, they all know where they all stand. This year however the
christians and conservatives in this class don't get involved, just
play the game, get the grade, and get out.... Is that personal enough?

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How old is your kid?- Hide quoted text -

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middleschool....

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On Jan 28, 8:50 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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On Jan 28, 8:17 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:





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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:00:43 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

They have to pledge their allegience to the cuilt religion of
"environmentalism". You can't talk about patriotism or god but they
will get indoctrinated with any crackpot theory that the education
system embraces

Where (city, state) have you personally experienced this happening in
a
school? I'm not doubting you. I'm just adding to the list of places
where
my
son should avoid raising a family.

So, where?

Lee County Florida for one but I am sure the save the manatee club and
the sierra club has influenced your school board too. It is just
stupid things like recycling as a religion and PETA causes that seem
to creep into the curriculum that really frost my ass. Most recently
it was just simple lies about where water flows in the estuary, driven
by a SMC tract that was handed out to teachers

Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those
schools?
That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean,
too?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

My childs school system is pretty fair about things but there are
always exceptions. Students always have had good debate in the last
few years especially since one of my childs peers father is a local
elected political figure. Most of the kids are pretty informed and
teachers stay out and act more as moderators. However this year they
have one teacher who openly bashes Bush as stupid, Republicans as
stupid and selfish, et'al', and allows pretty vigorous christian
bashing, including and not limited to Mormons, given the currant
political situation. My kid who is somewhat conservative and my kids
friend who is Mormon are afraid to even speak in this class, knowing
the teacher herself will probably be the first to lash out at them
with hate and insults. This particular group of kids has been together
and openly debated these issues in a civil fashion for years with each
other, they all know where they all stand. This year however the
christians and conservatives in this class don't get involved, just
play the game, get the grade, and get out.... Is that personal enough?

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How old is your kid?- Hide quoted text -

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middleschool....

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That sort of late for a kid to NOT be able to demand accountability from
authority figures who also happen to be service providers. Not surprising,
though, considering that it's YOUR kid.

Maybe you should tell your kid that the teacher is your employee, and the
kids are **THE CUSTOMERS**.

On Jan 28, 9:09*pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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On Jan 28, 8:17 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:00:43 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

They have to pledge their allegience to the cuilt religion of
"environmentalism". You can't talk about patriotism or god but they
will get indoctrinated with any crackpot theory that the education
system embraces

Where (city, state) have you personally experienced this happening in
a
school? I'm not doubting you. I'm just adding to the list of places
where
my
son should avoid raising a family.

So, where?

Lee County Florida for one but I am sure the save the manatee club and
the sierra club has influenced your school board too. It is just
stupid things like recycling as a religion and PETA causes that seem
to creep into the curriculum that really frost my ass. Most recently
it was just simple lies about where water flows in the estuary, driven
by a SMC tract that was handed out to teachers

Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those
schools?
That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean,
too?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

My childs school system is pretty fair about things but there are
always exceptions. Students always have had good debate in the last
few years especially since one of my childs peers father is a local
elected political figure. Most of the kids are pretty informed and
teachers stay out and act more as moderators. However this year they
have one teacher who openly bashes Bush as stupid, Republicans as
stupid and selfish, et'al', and allows pretty vigorous christian
bashing, including and not limited to Mormons, given the currant
political situation. My kid who is somewhat conservative and my kids
friend who is Mormon are afraid to even speak in this class, knowing
the teacher herself will probably be the first to lash out at them
with hate and insults. This particular group of kids has been together
and openly debated these issues in a civil fashion for years with each
other, they all know where they all stand. This year however the
christians and conservatives in this class don't get involved, just
play the game, get the grade, and get out.... Is that personal enough?

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How old is your kid?- Hide quoted text -

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middleschool....

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That sort of late for a kid to NOT be able to demand accountability from
authority figures who also happen to be service providers. Not surprising,
though, considering that it's YOUR kid.

Maybe you should tell your kid that the teacher is your employee, and the
kids are **THE CUSTOMERS**.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I knew you were gonna' put it on me, that's why I usually don't bother
addressing you, and will not bother again....

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On Jan 28, 8:50 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

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middleschool....

I have an 13 yo daughter and a 11 yo daughter going on 23. Sunday
afternoon I get a call from the 23 yo, I mean 11 yo, asking if she can
go to the mall with her friend. I ask if an adult is going and she
responds, without taking a breath, I will have my cell phone with me.
Dead silence on the phone and she hangs up. Later that day when she
comes home I get the silent treatment. I really did enjoy receiving the
silent treatment.

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On Jan 28, 8:50 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

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middleschool....

I have an 13 yo daughter and a 11 yo daughter going on 23. Sunday
afternoon I get a call from the 23 yo, I mean 11 yo, asking if she can go
to the mall with her friend. I ask if an adult is going and she responds,
without taking a breath, I will have my cell phone with me. Dead silence
on the phone and she hangs up. Later that day when she comes home I get
the silent treatment. I really did enjoy receiving the silent treatment.




Wow. You really *are* stupid if you accept the existence of a cell phone as
a substitute for the right answer, which she did not give you.

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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:17:44 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those schools?
That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean,
too?

My daughter went to Lee County schools for 10 years and I volunteered
at the middle schools for a while, talking about water quality until
we figured out I wasn't preaching the company line (all evel is caused
by boaters and "Big Sugar"). I just told it the way I saw if from 8
years of actual water sampling.


I hereby offer my condolences. That's what you get for living in a backward
state, I guess. Here (NY), my son never got any sort of slanted crap. Matter
of fact, his social studies books were neutral to the point of being as
boring as the airbrushed bras in the old Sears catalogs. Does Floriduh have
a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local level, by the
Klan, church, or whoever's in charge?