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On Jan 28, 1:03*pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools. We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges. What public school system did you attend? * Seems to me I remember public schools in the 50's having a short session in the morning where we all stood, recited the Pledge of Allegiance, and had a moment of silence for private prayer for those so inclined. The atom bomb drills, including hiding under your desk, were held in the afternoon. Eisboch New Haven. School prayer was *kaput* at my school by the fifth grade, and if memory serves, there was no "pledge" in junior high or high school. We weren't much into desk diving, either. In fact, I remember my 7th Grade science teacher telling us that since we lived in New Haven, where much military armament was made, and where many machine tools were made, we were on the prime target list anyway, and would certainly be vaporized if a nuclear war started. That was the year I built my cloud chamber. Still remember most of the details of that, too.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh, yes, Harry, we all realize that the school you attended was far superior in every way to every other public school in the United States. |
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:13:09 -0500, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Well it is good to see you haven't lost all of your mind, and can remember the cloud chamber, but I would find it hard to believe if you didn't do a pledge of allegiance in school and most likely had a moment of silence. Kind of depends on how old you are. There were a couple of Supreme Court cases in 1962 and 1963. The result of which ended school prayer, at least in my school. I can remember saying the Pledge in grammar school, but not after that. |
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On Jan 28, 12:36*pm, wrote:
On Jan 28, 12:23*pm, wrote: On Jan 28, 10:50*am, HK wrote: John wrote: "HarryLovesBushandRush" wrote in message .. . Yesterday I took wife, daughter, and granddaughter to see the United States Marine Band perform. They did a spectacular job, as usual. On the way home, I asked my daughter and granddaughter if they learned any patriotic songs in school. When I was a kid, we learned "God Bless America," "America the Beautiful," *My Country 'tis of Thee," " Battle Hymn of the Republic," and so on. Apparently these songs are too religious, for the most part, to be taught in public schools anymore. Anyone have different experiences? -- John H I live in one of the most liberal cities in NC. *When my daughter was in fifth grade I asked her if she new the Pledge of Allegiance. *Her comment was "yes we just learned that as a history lesson". *I was stunned, fifth grade and just learned the pledge as a HISTORY lesson????? I wrote a letter to the principal and asked him why they only taught the pledge of allegiance as a history lesson. *The reply that I got back, came directly from the Supervisor of schools for the city. *Basically it was a super PC answer, they will not force anyone to say any oaths in classrooms. Since then North Carolina has passed a state law to put the pledge back into schools. If this is truly a "free" country, then no one, not even a child, should have to participate in a mandatory "pledge" to an inanimate object, such as a flag. And I challenge you to show me one incident where there has been a "mandatory pledge to an inanimate object" forced on any child, or adult for that matter. I have been proven wrong here before and admit it freely but I don't think anyone has been stupid enough to "force" any pledge as "manditory" in over a decade. Again, please feel free to prove me wrong...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - When I was in school, not standing up and saying the Pledge got you sent to the principal's office, detention etc.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I did specify "in the last decade". Although our experiences may be valid, not for my challenge, unless you are a lot younger than you seem;) |
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"HK" wrote in message ... New Haven. School prayer was *kaput* at my school by the fifth grade, and if memory serves, there was no "pledge" in junior high or high school. We weren't much into desk diving, either. In fact, I remember my 7th Grade science teacher telling us that since we lived in New Haven, where much military armament was made, and where many machine tools were made, we were on the prime target list anyway, and would certainly be vaporized if a nuclear war started. That was the year I built my cloud chamber. Still remember most of the details of that, too. Ah HA! So it was your 7th grade science teacher who influenced your gloom and doom conditioning! I can't imagine, even today, telling a kid in the 7th grade that your ass is grass anyway, so don't be concerned with civil defense drills. Ever consider a lawsuit? Eisboch |
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On Jan 28, 12:38*pm, HK wrote:
wrote: On Jan 28, 10:50 am, HK wrote: John wrote: "HarryLovesBushandRush" wrote in message ... Yesterday I took wife, daughter, and granddaughter to see the United States Marine Band perform. They did a spectacular job, as usual. On the way home, I asked my daughter and granddaughter if they learned any patriotic songs in school. When I was a kid, we learned "God Bless America," "America the Beautiful," *My Country 'tis of Thee," " Battle Hymn of the Republic," and so on. Apparently these songs are too religious, for the most part, to be taught in public schools anymore. Anyone have different experiences? -- John H I live in one of the most liberal cities in NC. *When my daughter was in fifth grade I asked her if she new the Pledge of Allegiance. *Her comment was "yes we just learned that as a history lesson". *I was stunned, fifth grade and just learned the pledge as a HISTORY lesson????? I wrote a letter to the principal and asked him why they only taught the pledge of allegiance as a history lesson. *The reply that I got back, came directly from the Supervisor of schools for the city. *Basically it was a super PC answer, they will not force anyone to say any oaths in classrooms. Since then North Carolina has passed a state law to put the pledge back into schools. If this is truly a "free" country, then no one, not even a child, should have to participate in a mandatory "pledge" to an inanimate object, such as a flag. And I challenge you to show me one incident where there has been a "mandatory pledge to an inanimate object" forced on any child, or adult for that matter. I have been proven wrong here before and admit it freely but I don't think anyone has been stupid enough to "force" any pledge as "manditory" in over a decade. Again, please feel free to prove me wrong... Yes, well, that was the point of the superintendent of schools in that unnamed North Carolina city, a point with which I agreed and my post reinforced. Children should not be forced or even coerced in "pledging" or prayer. Do you actually have the ability to read for content? Maybe I missed something, were the children "forced" as you stated earlier, or is it a imaginary talking point? I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools. We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges. Public School in CT? I doubt you went through you day without a pledge and a moment of silence at least in elementry and JHS. But please don't let that get you on a convienient distraction, answer the question above first please.. -- George W. Bush - Worst President Ever, to the very last minute of the very last day of his term in the opinion of every closed minded ideologue I know... |
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On Jan 28, 1:13*pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote: HK wrote: Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message m... I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools. We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges. What public school system did you attend? * Seems to me I remember public schools in the 50's having a short session in the morning where we all stood, recited the Pledge of Allegiance, and had a moment of silence for private prayer for those so inclined. The atom bomb drills, including hiding under your desk, were held in the afternoon. Eisboch New Haven. School prayer was *kaput* at my school by the fifth grade, and if memory serves, there was no "pledge" in junior high or high school. We weren't much into desk diving, either. In fact, I remember my 7th Grade science teacher telling us that since we lived in New Haven, where much military armament was made, and where many machine tools were made, we were on the prime target list anyway, and would certainly be vaporized if a nuclear war started. That was the year I built my cloud chamber. Still remember most of the details of that, too. Well it is good to see you haven't lost all of your mind, and can remember the cloud chamber, but I would find it hard to believe if you didn't do a pledge of allegiance in school and most likely had a moment . He "remembers" wrong, his teachers were not that progressive, even in New Haven... My mom worked as an educator in one of the most advanced school systems in the state for almost 50 years, started one of the first local teachers unions, set a lot of policy as she was the one who implemented most of it;) In CT, even in New Haven, they did the pledge and a moment of silence in the 50's probably into JHS anyway. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... New Haven. School prayer was *kaput* at my school by the fifth grade, and if memory serves, there was no "pledge" in junior high or high school. We weren't much into desk diving, either. In fact, I remember my 7th Grade science teacher telling us that since we lived in New Haven, where much military armament was made, and where many machine tools were made, we were on the prime target list anyway, and would certainly be vaporized if a nuclear war started. That was the year I built my cloud chamber. Still remember most of the details of that, too. Ah HA! So it was your 7th grade science teacher who influenced your gloom and doom conditioning! I can't imagine, even today, telling a kid in the 7th grade that your ass is grass anyway, so don't be concerned with civil defense drills. Ever consider a lawsuit? Eisboch My guess is that our 7th Grade Science Teacher correctly determined for herself that hiding under a desk to protect yourself from a hydrogen bomb would be the height of idiocy. Where did you guys hide? Woodbridge Country Club? :') |
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"HK" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... New Haven. School prayer was *kaput* at my school by the fifth grade, and if memory serves, there was no "pledge" in junior high or high school. We weren't much into desk diving, either. In fact, I remember my 7th Grade science teacher telling us that since we lived in New Haven, where much military armament was made, and where many machine tools were made, we were on the prime target list anyway, and would certainly be vaporized if a nuclear war started. That was the year I built my cloud chamber. Still remember most of the details of that, too. Ah HA! So it was your 7th grade science teacher who influenced your gloom and doom conditioning! I can't imagine, even today, telling a kid in the 7th grade that your ass is grass anyway, so don't be concerned with civil defense drills. Ever consider a lawsuit? Eisboch My guess is that our 7th Grade Science Teacher correctly determined for herself that hiding under a desk to protect yourself from a hydrogen bomb would be the height of idiocy. Where did you guys hide? Woodbridge Country Club? :') Hardly. I did all my grammar school pledging and praying in MA. Eisboch |
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