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Yesterday I took wife, daughter, and granddaughter to see the United States
Marine Band perform. They did a spectacular job, as usual. On the way home, I asked my daughter and granddaughter if they learned any patriotic songs in school. When I was a kid, we learned "God Bless America," "America the Beautiful," My Country 'tis of Thee," " Battle Hymn of the Republic," and so on. Apparently these songs are too religious, for the most part, to be taught in public schools anymore. Anyone have different experiences? -- John H |
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On Jan 28, 9:23*am, HarryLovesBushandRush
wrote: Yesterday I took wife, daughter, and granddaughter to see the United States Marine Band perform. They did a spectacular job, as usual. On the way home, I asked my daughter and granddaughter if they learned any patriotic songs in school. When I was a kid, we learned "God Bless America," "America the Beautiful," *My Country 'tis of Thee," " Battle Hymn of the Republic," and so on. Apparently these songs are too religious, for the most part, to be taught in public schools anymore. Anyone have different experiences? -- John H How do you know that it's because of them being "too religious"? |
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... "HarryLovesBushandRush" wrote in message ... Yesterday I took wife, daughter, and granddaughter to see the United States Marine Band perform. They did a spectacular job, as usual. On the way home, I asked my daughter and granddaughter if they learned any patriotic songs in school. When I was a kid, we learned "God Bless America," "America the Beautiful," My Country 'tis of Thee," " Battle Hymn of the Republic," and so on. Apparently these songs are too religious, for the most part, to be taught in public schools anymore. Anyone have different experiences? -- John H I live in one of the most liberal cities in NC. When my daughter was in fifth grade I asked her if she new the Pledge of Allegiance. Her comment was "yes we just learned that as a history lesson". I was stunned, fifth grade and just learned the pledge as a HISTORY lesson????? I wrote a letter to the principal and asked him why they only taught the pledge of allegiance as a history lesson. The reply that I got back, came directly from the Supervisor of schools for the city. Basically it was a super PC answer, they will not force anyone to say any oaths in classrooms. Since then North Carolina has passed a state law to put the pledge back into schools. I'd rather my kid pledge allegiance to ideas, not flags. I realize that's an inconvenience to some people, but hey...that's life. |
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"HarryLovesBushandRush" wrote in message ... Yesterday I took wife, daughter, and granddaughter to see the United States Marine Band perform. They did a spectacular job, as usual. On the way home, I asked my daughter and granddaughter if they learned any patriotic songs in school. When I was a kid, we learned "God Bless America," "America the Beautiful," My Country 'tis of Thee," " Battle Hymn of the Republic," and so on. Apparently these songs are too religious, for the most part, to be taught in public schools anymore. Anyone have different experiences? -- John H I live in one of the most liberal cities in NC. When my daughter was in fifth grade I asked her if she new the Pledge of Allegiance. Her comment was "yes we just learned that as a history lesson". I was stunned, fifth grade and just learned the pledge as a HISTORY lesson????? I wrote a letter to the principal and asked him why they only taught the pledge of allegiance as a history lesson. The reply that I got back, came directly from the Supervisor of schools for the city. Basically it was a super PC answer, they will not force anyone to say any oaths in classrooms. Since then North Carolina has passed a state law to put the pledge back into schools. If this is truly a "free" country, then no one, not even a child, should have to participate in a mandatory "pledge" to an inanimate object, such as a flag. I just noticed through reading your post that the garbage known as "Herring" has a new handle. Filters are wonderful. -- George W. Bush - Worst President Ever, to the very last minute of the very last day of his term. Lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense, but a president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy. |
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On Jan 28, 10:50*am, HK wrote:
John wrote: "HarryLovesBushandRush" wrote in message .. . Yesterday I took wife, daughter, and granddaughter to see the United States Marine Band perform. They did a spectacular job, as usual. On the way home, I asked my daughter and granddaughter if they learned any patriotic songs in school. When I was a kid, we learned "God Bless America," "America the Beautiful," *My Country 'tis of Thee," " Battle Hymn of the Republic," and so on. Apparently these songs are too religious, for the most part, to be taught in public schools anymore. Anyone have different experiences? -- John H I live in one of the most liberal cities in NC. *When my daughter was in fifth grade I asked her if she new the Pledge of Allegiance. *Her comment was "yes we just learned that as a history lesson". *I was stunned, fifth grade and just learned the pledge as a HISTORY lesson????? I wrote a letter to the principal and asked him why they only taught the pledge of allegiance as a history lesson. *The reply that I got back, came directly from the Supervisor of schools for the city. *Basically it was a super PC answer, they will not force anyone to say any oaths in classrooms. Since then North Carolina has passed a state law to put the pledge back into schools. If this is truly a "free" country, then no one, not even a child, should have to participate in a mandatory "pledge" to an inanimate object, such as a flag. And I challenge you to show me one incident where there has been a "mandatory pledge to an inanimate object" forced on any child, or adult for that matter. I have been proven wrong here before and admit it freely but I don't think anyone has been stupid enough to "force" any pledge as "manditory" in over a decade. Again, please feel free to prove me wrong... |
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On Jan 28, 12:23*pm, wrote:
On Jan 28, 10:50*am, HK wrote: John wrote: "HarryLovesBushandRush" wrote in message .. . Yesterday I took wife, daughter, and granddaughter to see the United States Marine Band perform. They did a spectacular job, as usual. On the way home, I asked my daughter and granddaughter if they learned any patriotic songs in school. When I was a kid, we learned "God Bless America," "America the Beautiful," *My Country 'tis of Thee," " Battle Hymn of the Republic," and so on. Apparently these songs are too religious, for the most part, to be taught in public schools anymore. Anyone have different experiences? -- John H I live in one of the most liberal cities in NC. *When my daughter was in fifth grade I asked her if she new the Pledge of Allegiance. *Her comment was "yes we just learned that as a history lesson". *I was stunned, fifth grade and just learned the pledge as a HISTORY lesson????? I wrote a letter to the principal and asked him why they only taught the pledge of allegiance as a history lesson. *The reply that I got back, came directly from the Supervisor of schools for the city. *Basically it was a super PC answer, they will not force anyone to say any oaths in classrooms. Since then North Carolina has passed a state law to put the pledge back into schools. If this is truly a "free" country, then no one, not even a child, should have to participate in a mandatory "pledge" to an inanimate object, such as a flag. And I challenge you to show me one incident where there has been a "mandatory pledge to an inanimate object" forced on any child, or adult for that matter. I have been proven wrong here before and admit it freely but I don't think anyone has been stupid enough to "force" any pledge as "manditory" in over a decade. Again, please feel free to prove me wrong...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - When I was in school, not standing up and saying the Pledge got you sent to the principal's office, detention etc. |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools. We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges. What public school system did you attend? Seems to me I remember public schools in the 50's having a short session in the morning where we all stood, recited the Pledge of Allegiance, and had a moment of silence for private prayer for those so inclined. The atom bomb drills, including hiding under your desk, were held in the afternoon. Eisboch |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools. We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges. What public school system did you attend? Seems to me I remember public schools in the 50's having a short session in the morning where we all stood, recited the Pledge of Allegiance, and had a moment of silence for private prayer for those so inclined. The atom bomb drills, including hiding under your desk, were held in the afternoon. Eisboch New Haven. School prayer was *kaput* at my school by the fifth grade, and if memory serves, there was no "pledge" in junior high or high school. We weren't much into desk diving, either. In fact, I remember my 7th Grade science teacher telling us that since we lived in New Haven, where much military armament was made, and where many machine tools were made, we were on the prime target list anyway, and would certainly be vaporized if a nuclear war started. That was the year I built my cloud chamber. Still remember most of the details of that, too. |
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Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools. We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges. What public school system did you attend? Seems to me I remember public schools in the 50's having a short session in the morning where we all stood, recited the Pledge of Allegiance, and had a moment of silence for private prayer for those so inclined. The atom bomb drills, including hiding under your desk, were held in the afternoon. Eisboch New Haven. School prayer was *kaput* at my school by the fifth grade, and if memory serves, there was no "pledge" in junior high or high school. We weren't much into desk diving, either. In fact, I remember my 7th Grade science teacher telling us that since we lived in New Haven, where much military armament was made, and where many machine tools were made, we were on the prime target list anyway, and would certainly be vaporized if a nuclear war started. That was the year I built my cloud chamber. Still remember most of the details of that, too. Well it is good to see you haven't lost all of your mind, and can remember the cloud chamber, but I would find it hard to believe if you didn't do a pledge of allegiance in school and most likely had a moment of silence. |
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On Jan 28, 1:03*pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools. We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges. What public school system did you attend? * Seems to me I remember public schools in the 50's having a short session in the morning where we all stood, recited the Pledge of Allegiance, and had a moment of silence for private prayer for those so inclined. The atom bomb drills, including hiding under your desk, were held in the afternoon. Eisboch New Haven. School prayer was *kaput* at my school by the fifth grade, and if memory serves, there was no "pledge" in junior high or high school. We weren't much into desk diving, either. In fact, I remember my 7th Grade science teacher telling us that since we lived in New Haven, where much military armament was made, and where many machine tools were made, we were on the prime target list anyway, and would certainly be vaporized if a nuclear war started. That was the year I built my cloud chamber. Still remember most of the details of that, too.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh, yes, Harry, we all realize that the school you attended was far superior in every way to every other public school in the United States. |
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:13:09 -0500, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Well it is good to see you haven't lost all of your mind, and can remember the cloud chamber, but I would find it hard to believe if you didn't do a pledge of allegiance in school and most likely had a moment of silence. Kind of depends on how old you are. There were a couple of Supreme Court cases in 1962 and 1963. The result of which ended school prayer, at least in my school. I can remember saying the Pledge in grammar school, but not after that. |
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On Jan 28, 12:36*pm, wrote:
On Jan 28, 12:23*pm, wrote: On Jan 28, 10:50*am, HK wrote: John wrote: "HarryLovesBushandRush" wrote in message .. . Yesterday I took wife, daughter, and granddaughter to see the United States Marine Band perform. They did a spectacular job, as usual. On the way home, I asked my daughter and granddaughter if they learned any patriotic songs in school. When I was a kid, we learned "God Bless America," "America the Beautiful," *My Country 'tis of Thee," " Battle Hymn of the Republic," and so on. Apparently these songs are too religious, for the most part, to be taught in public schools anymore. Anyone have different experiences? -- John H I live in one of the most liberal cities in NC. *When my daughter was in fifth grade I asked her if she new the Pledge of Allegiance. *Her comment was "yes we just learned that as a history lesson". *I was stunned, fifth grade and just learned the pledge as a HISTORY lesson????? I wrote a letter to the principal and asked him why they only taught the pledge of allegiance as a history lesson. *The reply that I got back, came directly from the Supervisor of schools for the city. *Basically it was a super PC answer, they will not force anyone to say any oaths in classrooms. Since then North Carolina has passed a state law to put the pledge back into schools. If this is truly a "free" country, then no one, not even a child, should have to participate in a mandatory "pledge" to an inanimate object, such as a flag. And I challenge you to show me one incident where there has been a "mandatory pledge to an inanimate object" forced on any child, or adult for that matter. I have been proven wrong here before and admit it freely but I don't think anyone has been stupid enough to "force" any pledge as "manditory" in over a decade. Again, please feel free to prove me wrong...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - When I was in school, not standing up and saying the Pledge got you sent to the principal's office, detention etc.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I did specify "in the last decade". Although our experiences may be valid, not for my challenge, unless you are a lot younger than you seem;) |
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"HK" wrote in message ... New Haven. School prayer was *kaput* at my school by the fifth grade, and if memory serves, there was no "pledge" in junior high or high school. We weren't much into desk diving, either. In fact, I remember my 7th Grade science teacher telling us that since we lived in New Haven, where much military armament was made, and where many machine tools were made, we were on the prime target list anyway, and would certainly be vaporized if a nuclear war started. That was the year I built my cloud chamber. Still remember most of the details of that, too. Ah HA! So it was your 7th grade science teacher who influenced your gloom and doom conditioning! I can't imagine, even today, telling a kid in the 7th grade that your ass is grass anyway, so don't be concerned with civil defense drills. Ever consider a lawsuit? Eisboch |
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On Jan 28, 12:38*pm, HK wrote:
wrote: On Jan 28, 10:50 am, HK wrote: John wrote: "HarryLovesBushandRush" wrote in message ... Yesterday I took wife, daughter, and granddaughter to see the United States Marine Band perform. They did a spectacular job, as usual. On the way home, I asked my daughter and granddaughter if they learned any patriotic songs in school. When I was a kid, we learned "God Bless America," "America the Beautiful," *My Country 'tis of Thee," " Battle Hymn of the Republic," and so on. Apparently these songs are too religious, for the most part, to be taught in public schools anymore. Anyone have different experiences? -- John H I live in one of the most liberal cities in NC. *When my daughter was in fifth grade I asked her if she new the Pledge of Allegiance. *Her comment was "yes we just learned that as a history lesson". *I was stunned, fifth grade and just learned the pledge as a HISTORY lesson????? I wrote a letter to the principal and asked him why they only taught the pledge of allegiance as a history lesson. *The reply that I got back, came directly from the Supervisor of schools for the city. *Basically it was a super PC answer, they will not force anyone to say any oaths in classrooms. Since then North Carolina has passed a state law to put the pledge back into schools. If this is truly a "free" country, then no one, not even a child, should have to participate in a mandatory "pledge" to an inanimate object, such as a flag. And I challenge you to show me one incident where there has been a "mandatory pledge to an inanimate object" forced on any child, or adult for that matter. I have been proven wrong here before and admit it freely but I don't think anyone has been stupid enough to "force" any pledge as "manditory" in over a decade. Again, please feel free to prove me wrong... Yes, well, that was the point of the superintendent of schools in that unnamed North Carolina city, a point with which I agreed and my post reinforced. Children should not be forced or even coerced in "pledging" or prayer. Do you actually have the ability to read for content? Maybe I missed something, were the children "forced" as you stated earlier, or is it a imaginary talking point? I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools. We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges. Public School in CT? I doubt you went through you day without a pledge and a moment of silence at least in elementry and JHS. But please don't let that get you on a convienient distraction, answer the question above first please.. -- George W. Bush - Worst President Ever, to the very last minute of the very last day of his term in the opinion of every closed minded ideologue I know... |
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On Jan 28, 1:13*pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote: HK wrote: Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message m... I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools. We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges. What public school system did you attend? * Seems to me I remember public schools in the 50's having a short session in the morning where we all stood, recited the Pledge of Allegiance, and had a moment of silence for private prayer for those so inclined. The atom bomb drills, including hiding under your desk, were held in the afternoon. Eisboch New Haven. School prayer was *kaput* at my school by the fifth grade, and if memory serves, there was no "pledge" in junior high or high school. We weren't much into desk diving, either. In fact, I remember my 7th Grade science teacher telling us that since we lived in New Haven, where much military armament was made, and where many machine tools were made, we were on the prime target list anyway, and would certainly be vaporized if a nuclear war started. That was the year I built my cloud chamber. Still remember most of the details of that, too. Well it is good to see you haven't lost all of your mind, and can remember the cloud chamber, but I would find it hard to believe if you didn't do a pledge of allegiance in school and most likely had a moment . He "remembers" wrong, his teachers were not that progressive, even in New Haven... My mom worked as an educator in one of the most advanced school systems in the state for almost 50 years, started one of the first local teachers unions, set a lot of policy as she was the one who implemented most of it;) In CT, even in New Haven, they did the pledge and a moment of silence in the 50's probably into JHS anyway. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... New Haven. School prayer was *kaput* at my school by the fifth grade, and if memory serves, there was no "pledge" in junior high or high school. We weren't much into desk diving, either. In fact, I remember my 7th Grade science teacher telling us that since we lived in New Haven, where much military armament was made, and where many machine tools were made, we were on the prime target list anyway, and would certainly be vaporized if a nuclear war started. That was the year I built my cloud chamber. Still remember most of the details of that, too. Ah HA! So it was your 7th grade science teacher who influenced your gloom and doom conditioning! I can't imagine, even today, telling a kid in the 7th grade that your ass is grass anyway, so don't be concerned with civil defense drills. Ever consider a lawsuit? Eisboch My guess is that our 7th Grade Science Teacher correctly determined for herself that hiding under a desk to protect yourself from a hydrogen bomb would be the height of idiocy. Where did you guys hide? Woodbridge Country Club? :') |
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"HK" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... New Haven. School prayer was *kaput* at my school by the fifth grade, and if memory serves, there was no "pledge" in junior high or high school. We weren't much into desk diving, either. In fact, I remember my 7th Grade science teacher telling us that since we lived in New Haven, where much military armament was made, and where many machine tools were made, we were on the prime target list anyway, and would certainly be vaporized if a nuclear war started. That was the year I built my cloud chamber. Still remember most of the details of that, too. Ah HA! So it was your 7th grade science teacher who influenced your gloom and doom conditioning! I can't imagine, even today, telling a kid in the 7th grade that your ass is grass anyway, so don't be concerned with civil defense drills. Ever consider a lawsuit? Eisboch My guess is that our 7th Grade Science Teacher correctly determined for herself that hiding under a desk to protect yourself from a hydrogen bomb would be the height of idiocy. Where did you guys hide? Woodbridge Country Club? :') Hardly. I did all my grammar school pledging and praying in MA. Eisboch |
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"HK" wrote in message If this is truly a "free" country, then no one, not even a child, should have to participate in a mandatory "pledge" to an inanimate object, such as a flag. EXCEPT that is a requirement for citizenship in the USA: Some of the responsibilities implied by the U.S. citizenship a a.. Promises in the Oath of Allegiance including giving up prior allegiances to other countries b.. Support and defend the laws of the U.S. c.. Swear allegiance to the U.S. d.. Serve the country when required Most people consider me a liberal, but I believe that in a public school the children should be taught what it means to be an American. They should at least know what the pledge of allegiance is and what the star spangled banner represent. I content that the MAIN reason that republicans gained power in the senate the congress and the presidency is that people were fed up with all this "feel good" Political correctness bull****! Please show me the statute that states that a natural born "citizen" who is a *minor* is obligated to pledge, support, swear, or serve in the course of growing up or attending public school. If that minor breaks a law, he or she is subject to our criminal misjustice system, but I haven't read of any minors being arrested recently for refusing to state the pledge. Have you? |
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On Jan 28, 3:42*pm, HK wrote:
John wrote: "HK" wrote in message If this is truly a "free" country, then no one, not even a child, should have to participate in a mandatory "pledge" to an inanimate object, such as a flag. EXCEPT that is a requirement for citizenship in the USA: Some of the responsibilities implied by the U.S. citizenship a * a.. Promises in the Oath of Allegiance including giving up prior allegiances to other countries * b.. Support and defend the laws of the U.S. * c.. Swear allegiance to the U.S. * d.. Serve the country when required Most people consider me a liberal, but I believe that in a public school the children should be taught what it means to be an American. *They should at least know what the pledge of allegiance is and what the star spangled banner represent. I content that the MAIN reason that republicans gained power in the senate the congress and the presidency is that people were fed up with all this "feel *good" Political correctness bull****! Please show me the statute that states that a natural born "citizen" who is a *minor* is obligated to pledge, support, swear, or serve in the course of growing up or attending public school. If that minor breaks a law, he or she is subject to our criminal misjustice system, but I haven't read of any minors being arrested recently for refusing to state the pledge. Have you?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, and neither have you. You are getting off subject, which is, who or what has shoved religeon down your throat? Who has been forced to say the pledge in a school? Or pray?... no one, that's who, it is still false rhetoric.. |
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HK wrote: Yes, well, that was the point of the superintendent of schools in that unnamed North Carolina city, a point with which I agreed and my post reinforced. Children should not be forced or even coerced in "pledging" or prayer. Do you actually have the ability to read for content? I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools. We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges. Probqbly won't be wasting time on NEA ridden public schools in the near future either. |
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HK wrote: Yes, well, that was the point of the superintendent of schools in that unnamed North Carolina city, a point with which I agreed and my post reinforced. Children should not be forced or even coerced in "pledging" or prayer. Do you actually have the ability to read for content? I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools. We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges. Probqbly won't be wasting time on NEA ridden public schools in the near future either. Yeah, you'd do better in home schooling. Keeps you in the closet longer. |
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On Jan 28, 4:12*pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote: HK wrote: Yes, well, that was the point of the superintendent of schools in that unnamed North Carolina city, a point with which I agreed and my post reinforced. Children should not be forced or even coerced in "pledging" or prayer. Do you actually have the ability to read for content? I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools. We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges. Probqbly won't be wasting time on NEA ridden public schools in the near future either. Yeah, you'd do better in home schooling. Keeps you in the closet longer.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Anyway, speaking of music, check this out;) http://www.360synergy.com/presskit.html some weird ****, not much info.. why do I care about such a project? I have my reasons;) |
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... "HK" wrote in message ... John wrote: "HarryLovesBushandRush" wrote in message ... Yesterday I took wife, daughter, and granddaughter to see the United States Marine Band perform. They did a spectacular job, as usual. On the way home, I asked my daughter and granddaughter if they learned any patriotic songs in school. When I was a kid, we learned "God Bless America," "America the Beautiful," My Country 'tis of Thee," " Battle Hymn of the Republic," and so on. Apparently these songs are too religious, for the most part, to be taught in public schools anymore. Anyone have different experiences? -- John H I live in one of the most liberal cities in NC. When my daughter was in fifth grade I asked her if she new the Pledge of Allegiance. Her comment was "yes we just learned that as a history lesson". I was stunned, fifth grade and just learned the pledge as a HISTORY lesson????? I wrote a letter to the principal and asked him why they only taught the pledge of allegiance as a history lesson. The reply that I got back, came directly from the Supervisor of schools for the city. Basically it was a super PC answer, they will not force anyone to say any oaths in classrooms. Since then North Carolina has passed a state law to put the pledge back into schools. If this is truly a "free" country, then no one, not even a child, should have to participate in a mandatory "pledge" to an inanimate object, such as a flag. EXCEPT that is a requirement for citizenship in the USA: Some of the responsibilities implied by the U.S. citizenship a a.. Promises in the Oath of Allegiance including giving up prior allegiances to other countries b.. Support and defend the laws of the U.S. c.. Swear allegiance to the U.S. d.. Serve the country when required Most people consider me a liberal, but I believe that in a public school the children should be taught what it means to be an American. Hopefully, you don't think "what it means to be an American" is in any way connected to a pledge and a flag. |
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... On Jan 28, 4:12 pm, HK wrote: Tim wrote: HK wrote: Yes, well, that was the point of the superintendent of schools in that unnamed North Carolina city, a point with which I agreed and my post reinforced. Children should not be forced or even coerced in "pledging" or prayer. Do you actually have the ability to read for content? I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools. We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges. Probqbly won't be wasting time on NEA ridden public schools in the near future either. Yeah, you'd do better in home schooling. Keeps you in the closet longer.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Anyway, speaking of music, check this out;) http://www.360synergy.com/presskit.html some weird ****, not much info.. why do I care about such a project? I have my reasons;) ================== Your reason: It's nothing but pictures. |
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On Jan 28, 4:12 pm, HK wrote: Tim wrote: HK wrote: Yes, well, that was the point of the superintendent of schools in that unnamed North Carolina city, a point with which I agreed and my post reinforced. Children should not be forced or even coerced in "pledging" or prayer. Do you actually have the ability to read for content? I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools. We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges. Probqbly won't be wasting time on NEA ridden public schools in the near future either. Yeah, you'd do better in home schooling. Keeps you in the closet longer.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Anyway, speaking of music, check this out;) http://www.360synergy.com/presskit.html some weird ****, not much info.. why do I care about such a project? I have my reasons;) Not *my* kind of guitar. Most of the ones I like are made in Spain. I really like the sound, feel and look of certain Ramirez guitars, for example, or the cedar-topped Manuel Rodriguez Jr. guitars. |
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... wrote: On Jan 28, 4:12 pm, HK wrote: Tim wrote: HK wrote: Yes, well, that was the point of the superintendent of schools in that unnamed North Carolina city, a point with which I agreed and my post reinforced. Children should not be forced or even coerced in "pledging" or prayer. Do you actually have the ability to read for content? I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools. We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges. Probqbly won't be wasting time on NEA ridden public schools in the near future either. Yeah, you'd do better in home schooling. Keeps you in the closet longer.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Anyway, speaking of music, check this out;) http://www.360synergy.com/presskit.html some weird ****, not much info.. why do I care about such a project? I have my reasons;) Not *my* kind of guitar. Most of the ones I like are made in Spain. I really like the sound, feel and look of certain Ramirez guitars, for example, or the cedar-topped Manuel Rodriguez Jr. guitars. That's like saying you don't like barberry bushes, but prefer sycamore trees instead. Two totally different concepts. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Jan 28, 4:12 pm, HK wrote: Tim wrote: HK wrote: Yes, well, that was the point of the superintendent of schools in that unnamed North Carolina city, a point with which I agreed and my post reinforced. Children should not be forced or even coerced in "pledging" or prayer. Do you actually have the ability to read for content? I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools. We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges. Probqbly won't be wasting time on NEA ridden public schools in the near future either. Yeah, you'd do better in home schooling. Keeps you in the closet longer.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Anyway, speaking of music, check this out;) http://www.360synergy.com/presskit.html some weird ****, not much info.. why do I care about such a project? I have my reasons;) Not *my* kind of guitar. Most of the ones I like are made in Spain. I really like the sound, feel and look of certain Ramirez guitars, for example, or the cedar-topped Manuel Rodriguez Jr. guitars. That's like saying you don't like barberry bushes, but prefer sycamore trees instead. Two totally different concepts. \\ No, it isn't. I'm not much of a fan of the music "created" by oddly shaped guitars. |
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... On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:50:59 -0500, HK wrote: If this is truly a "free" country, then no one, not even a child, should have to participate in a mandatory "pledge" to an inanimate object, such as a flag. They have to pledge their allegience to the cuilt religion of "environmentalism". You can't talk about patriotism or god but they will get indoctrinated with any crackpot theory that the education system embraces Where (city, state) have you personally experienced this happening in a school? I'm not doubting you. I'm just adding to the list of places where my son should avoid raising a family. So, where? |
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On Jan 28, 4:34*pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Jan 28, 4:12 pm, HK wrote: Tim wrote: HK wrote: Yes, well, that was the point of the superintendent of schools in that unnamed North Carolina city, a point with which I agreed and my post reinforced. Children should not be forced or even coerced in "pledging" or prayer. Do you actually have the ability to read for content? I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools. We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges. Probqbly won't be wasting time on NEA ridden public schools in the near future either. Yeah, you'd do better in home schooling. Keeps you in the closet longer.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Anyway, speaking of music, check this out;) http://www.360synergy.com/presskit.html some weird ****, not much info.. *why do I care about such a project? I have my reasons;) ================== Your reason: *It's nothing but pictures.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - mildly funny... |
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HK wrote:
We had a very progressive mayor in the mid-1950s, and there was a lot of community pressure to "dump" school prayer locally long before it happened nationally. I don't recall how it was handled within the school system, but I do know that at the grammar school I attended, it just stopped in about the fifth grade. By the time I got to junior high (we had seventh through ninth junior high in those days, no more, though), there was no morning standing and pledging. One of the delights of New Haven in those days was the mish-mash of cultures and religions, to the point where no group or sect really dominated. The public schools did close, though, on the Jewish high holidays, for which everyone was thankful! Did you fight to get that religious holiday taken off the secular public school calendar? |
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HK wrote: We had a very progressive mayor in the mid-1950s, and there was a lot of community pressure to "dump" school prayer locally long before it happened nationally. I don't recall how it was handled within the school system, but I do know that at the grammar school I attended, it just stopped in about the fifth grade. By the time I got to junior high (we had seventh through ninth junior high in those days, no more, though), there was no morning standing and pledging. One of the delights of New Haven in those days was the mish-mash of cultures and religions, to the point where no group or sect really dominated. The public schools did close, though, on the Jewish high holidays, for which everyone was thankful! Did you fight to get that religious holiday taken off the secular public school calendar? Fight to get a day off from school eliminated? Unlike you, I was smart enough to graduate from high school. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... wrote: One of the delights of New Haven in those days was the mish-mash of cultures and religions, to the point where no group or sect really dominated. The public schools did close, though, on the Jewish high holidays, for which everyone was thankful! The only kid in my grammar school days that didn't do "the pledge" quietly stood in the back of the room while the rest of us went through the morning ritual. I remember asking him one day why he didn't do it. (this was like 5th grade) He told me he was a Jehovah's Witness and they didn't believe in it. I didn't know what a Jehovah's Witness was from the man in the moon, but I thought it was cool and said, "Ok". Eisboch |
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BAR wrote: HK wrote: We had a very progressive mayor in the mid-1950s, and there was a lot of community pressure to "dump" school prayer locally long before it happened nationally. I don't recall how it was handled within the school system, but I do know that at the grammar school I attended, it just stopped in about the fifth grade. By the time I got to junior high (we had seventh through ninth junior high in those days, no more, though), there was no morning standing and pledging. One of the delights of New Haven in those days was the mish-mash of cultures and religions, to the point where no group or sect really dominated. The public schools did close, though, on the Jewish high holidays, for which everyone was thankful! Did you fight to get that religious holiday taken off the secular public school calendar? Fight to get a day off from school eliminated? Unlike you, I was smart enough to graduate from high school. What happened to your secular society Mr. Yale graduate, Dr. MD Wife, 36' Zimmerman like Lobsta' boat, worked for a General (which side we still don't know) during the Vietnam war, offered a big job in the Nixon administration, owned a big Hatteras? Did I forget the smartest son of a bitch on earth too? With me you get the truth but, with you we get the lie of the moment. |
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... On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:00:43 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: They have to pledge their allegience to the cuilt religion of "environmentalism". You can't talk about patriotism or god but they will get indoctrinated with any crackpot theory that the education system embraces Where (city, state) have you personally experienced this happening in a school? I'm not doubting you. I'm just adding to the list of places where my son should avoid raising a family. So, where? Lee County Florida for one but I am sure the save the manatee club and the sierra club has influenced your school board too. It is just stupid things like recycling as a religion and PETA causes that seem to creep into the curriculum that really frost my ass. Most recently it was just simple lies about where water flows in the estuary, driven by a SMC tract that was handed out to teachers Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those schools? That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean, too? |
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