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On Jan 28, 8:17*pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:00:43 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: They have to pledge their allegience to the cuilt religion of "environmentalism". You can't talk about patriotism or god but they will get indoctrinated with any crackpot theory that the education system embraces Where (city, state) have you personally experienced this happening in a school? I'm not doubting you. I'm just adding to the list of places where my son should avoid raising a family. So, where? Lee County Florida for one but I am sure the save the manatee club and the sierra club has influenced your school board too. It is just stupid things like recycling as a religion and PETA causes that seem to creep into the curriculum that really frost my ass. Most recently it was just simple lies about where water flows in the estuary, driven by a SMC tract that was handed out to teachers Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those schools? That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean, too?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My childs school system is pretty fair about things but there are always exceptions. Students always have had good debate in the last few years especially since one of my childs peers father is a local elected political figure. Most of the kids are pretty informed and teachers stay out and act more as moderators. However this year they have one teacher who openly bashes Bush as stupid, Republicans as stupid and selfish, et'al', and allows pretty vigorous christian bashing, including and not limited to Mormons, given the currant political situation. My kid who is somewhat conservative and my kids friend who is Mormon are afraid to even speak in this class, knowing the teacher herself will probably be the first to lash out at them with hate and insults. This particular group of kids has been together and openly debated these issues in a civil fashion for years with each other, they all know where they all stand. This year however the christians and conservatives in this class don't get involved, just play the game, get the grade, and get out.... Is that personal enough? |
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... On Jan 28, 8:17 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:00:43 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: They have to pledge their allegience to the cuilt religion of "environmentalism". You can't talk about patriotism or god but they will get indoctrinated with any crackpot theory that the education system embraces Where (city, state) have you personally experienced this happening in a school? I'm not doubting you. I'm just adding to the list of places where my son should avoid raising a family. So, where? Lee County Florida for one but I am sure the save the manatee club and the sierra club has influenced your school board too. It is just stupid things like recycling as a religion and PETA causes that seem to creep into the curriculum that really frost my ass. Most recently it was just simple lies about where water flows in the estuary, driven by a SMC tract that was handed out to teachers Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those schools? That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean, too?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My childs school system is pretty fair about things but there are always exceptions. Students always have had good debate in the last few years especially since one of my childs peers father is a local elected political figure. Most of the kids are pretty informed and teachers stay out and act more as moderators. However this year they have one teacher who openly bashes Bush as stupid, Republicans as stupid and selfish, et'al', and allows pretty vigorous christian bashing, including and not limited to Mormons, given the currant political situation. My kid who is somewhat conservative and my kids friend who is Mormon are afraid to even speak in this class, knowing the teacher herself will probably be the first to lash out at them with hate and insults. This particular group of kids has been together and openly debated these issues in a civil fashion for years with each other, they all know where they all stand. This year however the christians and conservatives in this class don't get involved, just play the game, get the grade, and get out.... Is that personal enough? ============================= How old is your kid? |
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On Jan 28, 8:50*pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Jan 28, 8:17 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:00:43 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: They have to pledge their allegience to the cuilt religion of "environmentalism". You can't talk about patriotism or god but they will get indoctrinated with any crackpot theory that the education system embraces Where (city, state) have you personally experienced this happening in a school? I'm not doubting you. I'm just adding to the list of places where my son should avoid raising a family. So, where? Lee County Florida for one but I am sure the save the manatee club and the sierra club has influenced your school board too. It is just stupid things like recycling as a religion and PETA causes that seem to creep into the curriculum that really frost my ass. Most recently it was just simple lies about where water flows in the estuary, driven by a SMC tract that was handed out to teachers Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those schools? That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean, too?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My childs school system is pretty fair about things but there are always exceptions. Students always have had good debate in the last few years especially since one of my childs peers father is a local elected political figure. Most of the kids are pretty informed and teachers stay out and act more as moderators. However this year they have one teacher who openly bashes Bush as stupid, Republicans as stupid and selfish, et'al', and allows pretty vigorous christian bashing, including and not limited to Mormons, given the currant political situation. My kid who is somewhat conservative and my kids friend who is Mormon are afraid to even speak in this class, knowing the teacher herself will probably be the first to lash out at them with hate and insults. This particular group of kids has been together and openly debated these issues in a civil fashion for years with each other, they all know where they all stand. This year however the christians and conservatives in this class don't get involved, just play the game, get the grade, and get out.... Is that personal enough? ============================= How old is your kid?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - middleschool.... |
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... On Jan 28, 8:50 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 28, 8:17 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:00:43 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: They have to pledge their allegience to the cuilt religion of "environmentalism". You can't talk about patriotism or god but they will get indoctrinated with any crackpot theory that the education system embraces Where (city, state) have you personally experienced this happening in a school? I'm not doubting you. I'm just adding to the list of places where my son should avoid raising a family. So, where? Lee County Florida for one but I am sure the save the manatee club and the sierra club has influenced your school board too. It is just stupid things like recycling as a religion and PETA causes that seem to creep into the curriculum that really frost my ass. Most recently it was just simple lies about where water flows in the estuary, driven by a SMC tract that was handed out to teachers Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those schools? That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean, too?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My childs school system is pretty fair about things but there are always exceptions. Students always have had good debate in the last few years especially since one of my childs peers father is a local elected political figure. Most of the kids are pretty informed and teachers stay out and act more as moderators. However this year they have one teacher who openly bashes Bush as stupid, Republicans as stupid and selfish, et'al', and allows pretty vigorous christian bashing, including and not limited to Mormons, given the currant political situation. My kid who is somewhat conservative and my kids friend who is Mormon are afraid to even speak in this class, knowing the teacher herself will probably be the first to lash out at them with hate and insults. This particular group of kids has been together and openly debated these issues in a civil fashion for years with each other, they all know where they all stand. This year however the christians and conservatives in this class don't get involved, just play the game, get the grade, and get out.... Is that personal enough? ============================= How old is your kid?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - middleschool.... ========================== That sort of late for a kid to NOT be able to demand accountability from authority figures who also happen to be service providers. Not surprising, though, considering that it's YOUR kid. Maybe you should tell your kid that the teacher is your employee, and the kids are **THE CUSTOMERS**. |
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... On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:17:44 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those schools? That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean, too? My daughter went to Lee County schools for 10 years and I volunteered at the middle schools for a while, talking about water quality until we figured out I wasn't preaching the company line (all evel is caused by boaters and "Big Sugar"). I just told it the way I saw if from 8 years of actual water sampling. I hereby offer my condolences. That's what you get for living in a backward state, I guess. Here (NY), my son never got any sort of slanted crap. Matter of fact, his social studies books were neutral to the point of being as boring as the airbrushed bras in the old Sears catalogs. Does Floriduh have a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local level, by the Klan, church, or whoever's in charge? |
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On Jan 28, 9:09*pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Jan 28, 8:50 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 28, 8:17 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:00:43 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: They have to pledge their allegience to the cuilt religion of "environmentalism". You can't talk about patriotism or god but they will get indoctrinated with any crackpot theory that the education system embraces Where (city, state) have you personally experienced this happening in a school? I'm not doubting you. I'm just adding to the list of places where my son should avoid raising a family. So, where? Lee County Florida for one but I am sure the save the manatee club and the sierra club has influenced your school board too. It is just stupid things like recycling as a religion and PETA causes that seem to creep into the curriculum that really frost my ass. Most recently it was just simple lies about where water flows in the estuary, driven by a SMC tract that was handed out to teachers Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those schools? That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean, too?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My childs school system is pretty fair about things but there are always exceptions. Students always have had good debate in the last few years especially since one of my childs peers father is a local elected political figure. Most of the kids are pretty informed and teachers stay out and act more as moderators. However this year they have one teacher who openly bashes Bush as stupid, Republicans as stupid and selfish, et'al', and allows pretty vigorous christian bashing, including and not limited to Mormons, given the currant political situation. My kid who is somewhat conservative and my kids friend who is Mormon are afraid to even speak in this class, knowing the teacher herself will probably be the first to lash out at them with hate and insults. This particular group of kids has been together and openly debated these issues in a civil fashion for years with each other, they all know where they all stand. This year however the christians and conservatives in this class don't get involved, just play the game, get the grade, and get out.... Is that personal enough? ============================= How old is your kid?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - middleschool.... ========================== That sort of late for a kid to NOT be able to demand accountability from authority figures who also happen to be service providers. Not surprising, though, considering that it's YOUR kid. Maybe you should tell your kid that the teacher is your employee, and the kids are **THE CUSTOMERS**.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I knew you were gonna' put it on me, that's why I usually don't bother addressing you, and will not bother again.... |
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On Jan 28, 9:38*pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:17:44 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those schools? That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean, too? My daughter went to Lee County schools for 10 years and I volunteered at the middle schools for a while, talking about water quality until we figured out I wasn't preaching the company line (all evel is caused by boaters and "Big Sugar"). I just told it the way I saw if from 8 years of actual water sampling. I hereby offer my condolences. That's what you get for living in a backward state, I guess. Here (NY), my son never got any sort of slanted crap. Matter of fact, his social studies books were neutral to the point of being as boring as the airbrushed bras in the old Sears catalogs. Does Floriduh have a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local level, by the Klan, church, or whoever's in charge? you are a miserable son of a bitch.... |
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... On Jan 28, 9:09 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 28, 8:50 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 28, 8:17 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:00:43 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: They have to pledge their allegience to the cuilt religion of "environmentalism". You can't talk about patriotism or god but they will get indoctrinated with any crackpot theory that the education system embraces Where (city, state) have you personally experienced this happening in a school? I'm not doubting you. I'm just adding to the list of places where my son should avoid raising a family. So, where? Lee County Florida for one but I am sure the save the manatee club and the sierra club has influenced your school board too. It is just stupid things like recycling as a religion and PETA causes that seem to creep into the curriculum that really frost my ass. Most recently it was just simple lies about where water flows in the estuary, driven by a SMC tract that was handed out to teachers Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those schools? That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean, too?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My childs school system is pretty fair about things but there are always exceptions. Students always have had good debate in the last few years especially since one of my childs peers father is a local elected political figure. Most of the kids are pretty informed and teachers stay out and act more as moderators. However this year they have one teacher who openly bashes Bush as stupid, Republicans as stupid and selfish, et'al', and allows pretty vigorous christian bashing, including and not limited to Mormons, given the currant political situation. My kid who is somewhat conservative and my kids friend who is Mormon are afraid to even speak in this class, knowing the teacher herself will probably be the first to lash out at them with hate and insults. This particular group of kids has been together and openly debated these issues in a civil fashion for years with each other, they all know where they all stand. This year however the christians and conservatives in this class don't get involved, just play the game, get the grade, and get out.... Is that personal enough? ============================= How old is your kid?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - middleschool.... ========================== That sort of late for a kid to NOT be able to demand accountability from authority figures who also happen to be service providers. Not surprising, though, considering that it's YOUR kid. Maybe you should tell your kid that the teacher is your employee, and the kids are **THE CUSTOMERS**.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I knew you were gonna' put it on me, that's why I usually don't bother addressing you, and will not bother again.... =================== You've said that before. You'll be back. Kids need to know when and how to question authority, because in most instances, the "authority" is chosen and paid by the person being governed, taught or whatever. Where do YOU think they're supposed to learn that from? A cereal box? |
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... On Jan 28, 9:38 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:17:44 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those schools? That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean, too? My daughter went to Lee County schools for 10 years and I volunteered at the middle schools for a while, talking about water quality until we figured out I wasn't preaching the company line (all evel is caused by boaters and "Big Sugar"). I just told it the way I saw if from 8 years of actual water sampling. I hereby offer my condolences. That's what you get for living in a backward state, I guess. Here (NY), my son never got any sort of slanted crap. Matter of fact, his social studies books were neutral to the point of being as boring as the airbrushed bras in the old Sears catalogs. Does Floriduh have a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local level, by the Klan, church, or whoever's in charge? you are a miserable son of a bitch.... ============================ The syllabus (go look it up in a dictionary) comes from SOMEWHERE. It's at the state level, or the local level. If the syllabus is meddled with by special interest groups, it's usually at the local level, although in some backwaters like Kansas, it's at higher levels. If gretwell didn't like what went on in his daughter's school, he knew who to blame. It's not that difficult to melt those evil forces. |
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On Jan 28, 9:44*pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Jan 28, 9:38 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:17:44 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those schools? That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean, too? My daughter went to Lee County schools for 10 years and I volunteered at the middle schools for a while, talking about water quality until we figured out I wasn't preaching the company line (all evel is caused by boaters and "Big Sugar"). I just told it the way I saw if from 8 years of actual water sampling. I hereby offer my condolences. That's what you get for living in a backward state, I guess. Here (NY), my son never got any sort of slanted crap. Matter of fact, his social studies books were neutral to the point of being as boring as the airbrushed bras in the old Sears catalogs. Does Floriduh have a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local level, by the Klan, church, or whoever's in charge? you are a miserable son of a bitch.... ============================ The syllabus (go look it up in a dictionary) comes from SOMEWHERE. It's at the state level, or the local level. If the syllabus is meddled with by special interest groups, it's usually at the local level, although in some backwaters like Kansas, it's at higher levels. If gretwell didn't like what went on in his daughter's school, he knew who to blame. It's not that difficult to melt those evil forces.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You are clueless... drunk, fat, and lazy is no way to live your life son... |
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... On Jan 28, 9:44 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 28, 9:38 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:17:44 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those schools? That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean, too? My daughter went to Lee County schools for 10 years and I volunteered at the middle schools for a while, talking about water quality until we figured out I wasn't preaching the company line (all evel is caused by boaters and "Big Sugar"). I just told it the way I saw if from 8 years of actual water sampling. I hereby offer my condolences. That's what you get for living in a backward state, I guess. Here (NY), my son never got any sort of slanted crap. Matter of fact, his social studies books were neutral to the point of being as boring as the airbrushed bras in the old Sears catalogs. Does Floriduh have a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local level, by the Klan, church, or whoever's in charge? you are a miserable son of a bitch.... ============================ The syllabus (go look it up in a dictionary) comes from SOMEWHERE. It's at the state level, or the local level. If the syllabus is meddled with by special interest groups, it's usually at the local level, although in some backwaters like Kansas, it's at higher levels. If gretwell didn't like what went on in his daughter's school, he knew who to blame. It's not that difficult to melt those evil forces.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You are clueless... drunk, fat, and lazy is no way to live your life son... ========================== You have suddenly ascended to personal insults. I said "ascended". That was not a typo. That's a positive thing Now: Here in NY, the syllabus comes from the state. If there are problems, all one needs to do is begin addressing them with the teacher, then the principal, and finally the school board. It works 100% of the time. If you disagree, explain why. |
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Harry is a legend in his own mind. He fancies himself a wit. He's only half right. "BAR" wrote in message . .. HK wrote: BAR wrote: HK wrote: We had a very progressive mayor in the mid-1950s, and there was a lot of community pressure to "dump" school prayer locally long before it happened nationally. I don't recall how it was handled within the school system, but I do know that at the grammar school I attended, it just stopped in about the fifth grade. By the time I got to junior high (we had seventh through ninth junior high in those days, no more, though), there was no morning standing and pledging. One of the delights of New Haven in those days was the mish-mash of cultures and religions, to the point where no group or sect really dominated. The public schools did close, though, on the Jewish high holidays, for which everyone was thankful! Did you fight to get that religious holiday taken off the secular public school calendar? Fight to get a day off from school eliminated? Unlike you, I was smart enough to graduate from high school. What happened to your secular society Mr. Yale graduate, Dr. MD Wife, 36' Zimmerman like Lobsta' boat, worked for a General (which side we still don't know) during the Vietnam war, offered a big job in the Nixon administration, owned a big Hatteras? Did I forget the smartest son of a bitch on earth too? With me you get the truth but, with you we get the lie of the moment. |
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... On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:41:08 -0800 (PST), wrote: Does Floriduh have a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local level, by the Klan, church, or whoever's in charge? you are a miserable son of a bitch.... That is misplaced anger. The "church" here is the holy alter of environmentalism which is as fast and loose with science as any of the other fundalmentalists Example? |
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... On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:38:26 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: I hereby offer my condolences. That's what you get for living in a backward state, I guess. Here (NY), my son never got any sort of slanted crap. Matter of fact, his social studies books were neutral to the point of being as boring as the airbrushed bras in the old Sears catalogs. Does Floriduh have a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local level, by the Klan, church, or whoever's in charge? I think that is an oversimplification. I bet if you really watched what they are teaching you would see what I mean. ... unless you are in that cult too. ;-) I know what my son learned. I read his books. I read his writing. I talked with him constantly about what he was learning. Now that I think about it, though, you might be right. He never throws trash out of the car windows, into the water, or leaves it in the woods. Is that environmental brainwashing of the wrong kind? |
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wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:41:08 -0800 (PST), wrote: Does Floriduh have a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local level, by the Klan, church, or whoever's in charge? you are a miserable son of a bitch.... That is misplaced anger. The "church" here is the holy alter of environmentalism which is as fast and loose with science as any of the other fundalmentalists Example? U.S. Sugar was fighting "environmentalism" tooth and nail when I lived in Florida. If you want some interesting reading, check out the connections between the u.s. sugar industry and the communist revolution in cuba. |
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. .. wrote: On Jan 28, 8:50 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: How old is your kid?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - middleschool.... I have an 13 yo daughter and a 11 yo daughter going on 23. Sunday afternoon I get a call from the 23 yo, I mean 11 yo, asking if she can go to the mall with her friend. I ask if an adult is going and she responds, without taking a breath, I will have my cell phone with me. Dead silence on the phone and she hangs up. Later that day when she comes home I get the silent treatment. I really did enjoy receiving the silent treatment. Wow. You really *are* stupid if you accept the existence of a cell phone as a substitute for the right answer, which she did not give you. |
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TOP POSTED ON PURPOSE....... Harry is a legend in his own mind. He fancies himself a wit. He's only half right. "BAR" wrote in message . .. HK wrote: BAR wrote: HK wrote: We had a very progressive mayor in the mid-1950s, and there was a lot of community pressure to "dump" school prayer locally long before it happened nationally. I don't recall how it was handled within the school system, but I do know that at the grammar school I attended, it just stopped in about the fifth grade. By the time I got to junior high (we had seventh through ninth junior high in those days, no more, though), there was no morning standing and pledging. One of the delights of New Haven in those days was the mish-mash of cultures and religions, to the point where no group or sect really dominated. The public schools did close, though, on the Jewish high holidays, for which everyone was thankful! Did you fight to get that religious holiday taken off the secular public school calendar? Fight to get a day off from school eliminated? Unlike you, I was smart enough to graduate from high school. What happened to your secular society Mr. Yale graduate, Dr. MD Wife, 36' Zimmerman like Lobsta' boat, worked for a General (which side we still don't know) during the Vietnam war, offered a big job in the Nixon administration, owned a big Hatteras? Did I forget the smartest son of a bitch on earth too? With me you get the truth but, with you we get the lie of the moment. I remember, quite a few years ago, being warned that if you tangled with Harry you would end up on the floor in a pool of blood. Well I am not afraid of Harry. I see through him and he is nothing but a mean old man who resents the world for passing him by. |
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:44:51 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: If the syllabus is meddled with by special interest groups, it's usually at the local level, although in some backwaters like Kansas, it's at higher levels. If gretwell didn't like what went on in his daughter's school, he knew who to blame. It's not that difficult to melt those evil forces. Actually it wasn't really as bad when she was in school as it is now. The political agends of these "environmentalist" cults *permiates all levels of government. They take something like global warming, some obscure endangered animal or second hand smoke and make a case that far exceeds the science. Then they say if you can't swallow the whole package, you are denying any of it ... much like any other fundalmentalist who says you are a heathen if you don't agree with 100% of their dogma. We had a simiar problem a few years ago when one of our little ones came home crying because the teacher told the kid mom was going to die soon because she smoked, then showed these 5th graders horrible pictures of lung damage and such... |
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On Jan 28, 10:39*pm, BAR wrote:
Lu Powell wrote: TOP POSTED ON PURPOSE....... Harry is a legend in his own mind. He fancies himself a wit. He's only half right. "BAR" wrote in message ... HK wrote: BAR wrote: HK wrote: We had a very progressive mayor in the mid-1950s, and there was a lot of community pressure to "dump" school prayer locally long before it happened nationally. I don't recall how it was handled within the school system, but I do know that at the grammar school I attended, it just stopped in about the fifth grade. By the time I got to junior high (we had seventh through ninth junior high in those days, no more, though), there was no morning standing and pledging. One of the delights of New Haven in those days was the mish-mash of cultures and religions, to the point where no group or sect really dominated. The public schools did close, though, on the Jewish high holidays, for which everyone was thankful! Did you fight to get that religious holiday taken off the secular public school calendar? Fight to get a day off from school eliminated? Unlike you, I was smart enough to graduate from high school. What happened to your secular society Mr. Yale graduate, Dr. MD Wife, 36' Zimmerman like Lobsta' boat, worked for a General (which side we still don't know) during the Vietnam war, offered a big job in the Nixon administration, owned a big Hatteras? Did I forget the smartest son of a bitch on earth too? With me you get the truth but, with you we get the lie of the moment. I remember, quite a few *years ago, being warned that if you tangled with Harry you would end up on the floor in a pool of blood. Well I am not afraid of Harry. I see through him and he is nothing but a mean old man who resents the world for passing him by.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, and now you see what you get when you answer one of Joes drunken queries. Someone like him questioning my parenting skills or yours is just obsurd. He shows all the signs of an abused child, gone to the bottle. Pitiful, but he seems to deserve his self loathing, brings it on himself I am sure... |
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... On Jan 28, 10:39 pm, BAR wrote: Lu Powell wrote: TOP POSTED ON PURPOSE....... Harry is a legend in his own mind. He fancies himself a wit. He's only half right. "BAR" wrote in message ... HK wrote: BAR wrote: HK wrote: We had a very progressive mayor in the mid-1950s, and there was a lot of community pressure to "dump" school prayer locally long before it happened nationally. I don't recall how it was handled within the school system, but I do know that at the grammar school I attended, it just stopped in about the fifth grade. By the time I got to junior high (we had seventh through ninth junior high in those days, no more, though), there was no morning standing and pledging. One of the delights of New Haven in those days was the mish-mash of cultures and religions, to the point where no group or sect really dominated. The public schools did close, though, on the Jewish high holidays, for which everyone was thankful! Did you fight to get that religious holiday taken off the secular public school calendar? Fight to get a day off from school eliminated? Unlike you, I was smart enough to graduate from high school. What happened to your secular society Mr. Yale graduate, Dr. MD Wife, 36' Zimmerman like Lobsta' boat, worked for a General (which side we still don't know) during the Vietnam war, offered a big job in the Nixon administration, owned a big Hatteras? Did I forget the smartest son of a bitch on earth too? With me you get the truth but, with you we get the lie of the moment. I remember, quite a few years ago, being warned that if you tangled with Harry you would end up on the floor in a pool of blood. Well I am not afraid of Harry. I see through him and he is nothing but a mean old man who resents the world for passing him by.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, and now you see what you get when you answer one of Joes drunken queries. Someone like him questioning my parenting skills or yours is just obsurd. He shows all the signs of an abused child, gone to the bottle. Pitiful, but he seems to deserve his self loathing, brings it on himself I am sure... ================= Wow. I wasn't even part of this discussion at the point where Bert was responding. Whatever you're distilling out behind the barn, it must be some serious stuff. |
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... On Jan 28, 10:33 pm, wrote: On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:44:51 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: If the syllabus is meddled with by special interest groups, it's usually at the local level, although in some backwaters like Kansas, it's at higher levels. If gretwell didn't like what went on in his daughter's school, he knew who to blame. It's not that difficult to melt those evil forces. Actually it wasn't really as bad when she was in school as it is now. The political agends of these "environmentalist" cults permiates all levels of government. They take something like global warming, some obscure endangered animal or second hand smoke and make a case that far exceeds the science. Then they say if you can't swallow the whole package, you are denying any of it ... much like any other fundalmentalist who says you are a heathen if you don't agree with 100% of their dogma. We had a simiar problem a few years ago when one of our little ones came home crying because the teacher told the kid mom was going to die soon because she smoked, then showed these 5th graders horrible pictures of lung damage and such... ============================ Well, it's true. Sure, someone can point to an exception like their granny who smoked 2 packs of Camels a day and lived to be 98. But, exceptions mean nothing in the face of overwhelming statistics. |
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On Jan 28, 3:12*pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote: HK wrote: Yes, well, that was the point of the superintendent of schools in that unnamed North Carolina city, a point with which I agreed and my post reinforced. Children should not be forced or even coerced in "pledging" or prayer. Do you actually have the ability to read for content? I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools. We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges. Probqbly won't be wasting time on NEA ridden public schools in the near future either. Yeah, you'd do better in home schooling. Keeps you in the closet longer.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Won't have those much longer either... |
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On Jan 28, 11:16*pm, Tim wrote:
On Jan 28, 3:12*pm, HK wrote: Tim wrote: HK wrote: Yes, well, that was the point of the superintendent of schools in that unnamed North Carolina city, a point with which I agreed and my post reinforced. Children should not be forced or even coerced in "pledging" or prayer. Do you actually have the ability to read for content? I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools. We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges. Probqbly won't be wasting time on NEA ridden public schools in the near future either. Yeah, you'd do better in home schooling. Keeps you in the closet longer.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Won't have those much longer either...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What? Home school? |
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On Jan 28, 3:52*pm, HK wrote:
No, it isn't. I'm not much of a fan of the music "created" by oddly shaped guitars- I am! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1Vjw...eature=related |
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... On Jan 28, 11:16 pm, Tim wrote: On Jan 28, 3:12 pm, HK wrote: Tim wrote: HK wrote: Yes, well, that was the point of the superintendent of schools in that unnamed North Carolina city, a point with which I agreed and my post reinforced. Children should not be forced or even coerced in "pledging" or prayer. Do you actually have the ability to read for content? I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools. We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges. Probqbly won't be wasting time on NEA ridden public schools in the near future either. Yeah, you'd do better in home schooling. Keeps you in the closet longer.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Won't have those much longer either...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What? Home school? ============= Closets??? |
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On Jan 28, 11:29*pm, Tim wrote:
On Jan 28, 3:52*pm, HK wrote: No, it isn't. I'm not much of a fan of the music "created" by oddly shaped guitars- I am! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1Vjw...eature=related Nice, I have the G3 Live in Tokyo DVD with Vai, Satriani, and Petrucci. I think I will have to pull it out and see if I can find an oddly shaped guitar and play along;) |
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On Jan 28, 10:37*pm, wrote:
On Jan 28, 11:29*pm, Tim wrote: On Jan 28, 3:52*pm, HK wrote: No, it isn't. I'm not much of a fan of the music "created" by oddly shaped guitars- I am! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1Vjw...eature=related Nice, I have the G3 Live in Tokyo DVD with Vai, Satriani, and Petrucci. I think I will have to pull it out and see if I can find an oddly shaped guitar and play along;) I have two of them. These arn't my pics: http://u-coms.com/lado/images/fv68_700.jpg http://www.denniscoffeysite.com/imag...nfirebird6.jpg |
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:41:30 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 28, 9:09 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 28, 8:50 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 28, 8:17 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:00:43 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: They have to pledge their allegience to the cuilt religion of "environmentalism". You can't talk about patriotism or god but they will get indoctrinated with any crackpot theory that the education system embraces Where (city, state) have you personally experienced this happening in a school? I'm not doubting you. I'm just adding to the list of places where my son should avoid raising a family. So, where? Lee County Florida for one but I am sure the save the manatee club and the sierra club has influenced your school board too. It is just stupid things like recycling as a religion and PETA causes that seem to creep into the curriculum that really frost my ass. Most recently it was just simple lies about where water flows in the estuary, driven by a SMC tract that was handed out to teachers Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those schools? That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean, too?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My childs school system is pretty fair about things but there are always exceptions. Students always have had good debate in the last few years especially since one of my childs peers father is a local elected political figure. Most of the kids are pretty informed and teachers stay out and act more as moderators. However this year they have one teacher who openly bashes Bush as stupid, Republicans as stupid and selfish, et'al', and allows pretty vigorous christian bashing, including and not limited to Mormons, given the currant political situation. My kid who is somewhat conservative and my kids friend who is Mormon are afraid to even speak in this class, knowing the teacher herself will probably be the first to lash out at them with hate and insults. This particular group of kids has been together and openly debated these issues in a civil fashion for years with each other, they all know where they all stand. This year however the christians and conservatives in this class don't get involved, just play the game, get the grade, and get out.... Is that personal enough? ============================= How old is your kid?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - middleschool.... ========================== That sort of late for a kid to NOT be able to demand accountability from authority figures who also happen to be service providers. Not surprising, though, considering that it's YOUR kid. Maybe you should tell your kid that the teacher is your employee, and the kids are **THE CUSTOMERS**.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I knew you were gonna' put it on me, that's why I usually don't bother addressing you, and will not bother again.... =================== You've said that before. You'll be back. Kids need to know when and how to question authority, because in most instances, the "authority" is chosen and paid by the person being governed, taught or whatever. Where do YOU think they're supposed to learn that from? A cereal box? I sure hope you had your mirror time today. You know, when you tell yourself just how f**king perfect you are. -- John H |
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:38:26 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:17:44 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those schools? That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean, too? My daughter went to Lee County schools for 10 years and I volunteered at the middle schools for a while, talking about water quality until we figured out I wasn't preaching the company line (all evel is caused by boaters and "Big Sugar"). I just told it the way I saw if from 8 years of actual water sampling. I hereby offer my condolences. That's what you get for living in a backward state, I guess. Here (NY), my son never got any sort of slanted crap. Matter of fact, his social studies books were neutral to the point of being as boring as the airbrushed bras in the old Sears catalogs. Does Floriduh have a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local level, by the Klan, church, or whoever's in charge? Damn, Doug, you're really giving Harry a run for his money in the 'I'm all perfect' category! -- John H |
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 03:32:26 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:38:26 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: I hereby offer my condolences. That's what you get for living in a backward state, I guess. Here (NY), my son never got any sort of slanted crap. Matter of fact, his social studies books were neutral to the point of being as boring as the airbrushed bras in the old Sears catalogs. Does Floriduh have a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local level, by the Klan, church, or whoever's in charge? I think that is an oversimplification. I bet if you really watched what they are teaching you would see what I mean. ... unless you are in that cult too. ;-) I know what my son learned. I read his books. I read his writing. I talked with him constantly about what he was learning. Now that I think about it, though, you might be right. He never throws trash out of the car windows, into the water, or leaves it in the woods. Is that environmental brainwashing of the wrong kind? You are so perfect. Gosh, I wish I had a coin with your face on one side and Harry's on the other. But then picking the 'tails' side would be a bitch. -- John H |
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... I knew you were gonna' put it on me, that's why I usually don't bother addressing you, and will not bother again.... =================== You've said that before. You'll be back. Kids need to know when and how to question authority, because in most instances, the "authority" is chosen and paid by the person being governed, taught or whatever. Where do YOU think they're supposed to learn that from? A cereal box? I sure hope you had your mirror time today. You know, when you tell yourself just how f**king perfect you are. -- John H That's strange. You equate narcissism with teaching kids to question authority? What the hell did your parents or the military do to you??? |
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... On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 03:29:39 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: The "church" here is the holy alter of environmentalism which is as fast and loose with science as any of the other fundalmentalists Example? A very local example that you probably have heard about, the Florida Panther. In fact that animal does nit really exist. It is just a garden variety mountain lion, just like the ones who eat joggers in California (as determined by a US district court based on DNA data) but a whole mythology has come up around it. They have been interbred with Texas cougars but people still insist that this is a separate species. The Manatee is another local example of outright lying but there are people in Nebraska who still send millions of dollars to the Save The Manatee Club. That money ends up being used to propagate the myths, not the science. I am a Teddy Roosevelt "conservationist" not an "environmentalist". The difference is one is interested in habitat conservation, controlling pollution and building stronger populations of the animals, the latter is simply a cult, based on fund raising through misleading headlines more than conservation. OK. So, did you surround your daughter with many alternative forms of information so she could see other viewpoints and form her own opinions? Separate question: When you spoke to the principal, teachers and school board about these problems, what did they tell you? |
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... On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 03:32:26 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:38:26 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: I hereby offer my condolences. That's what you get for living in a backward state, I guess. Here (NY), my son never got any sort of slanted crap. Matter of fact, his social studies books were neutral to the point of being as boring as the airbrushed bras in the old Sears catalogs. Does Floriduh have a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local level, by the Klan, church, or whoever's in charge? I think that is an oversimplification. I bet if you really watched what they are teaching you would see what I mean. ... unless you are in that cult too. ;-) I know what my son learned. I read his books. I read his writing. I talked with him constantly about what he was learning. Now that I think about it, though, you might be right. He never throws trash out of the car windows, into the water, or leaves it in the woods. Is that environmental brainwashing of the wrong kind? You are so perfect. Gosh, I wish I had a coin with your face on one side and Harry's on the other. But then picking the 'tails' side would be a bitch. -- John H What perfect? That's our job as parents, to talk to our kids and be aware of what they're doing. Are you the only person who hasn't gotten that message yet? Hang on...this is funny: You used to complain about the obnoxious kids you had to deal with as a sub teacher, right? How do you think they got that way? |
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"HarryLovesBushandRush" wrote in message ... On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 03:32:26 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:38:26 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: I hereby offer my condolences. That's what you get for living in a backward state, I guess. Here (NY), my son never got any sort of slanted crap. Matter of fact, his social studies books were neutral to the point of being as boring as the airbrushed bras in the old Sears catalogs. Does Floriduh have a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local level, by the Klan, church, or whoever's in charge? I think that is an oversimplification. I bet if you really watched what they are teaching you would see what I mean. ... unless you are in that cult too. ;-) I know what my son learned. I read his books. I read his writing. I talked with him constantly about what he was learning. Now that I think about it, though, you might be right. He never throws trash out of the car windows, into the water, or leaves it in the woods. Is that environmental brainwashing of the wrong kind? You are so perfect. Gosh, I wish I had a coin with your face on one side and Harry's on the other. But then picking the 'tails' side would be a bitch. -- John H What perfect? That's our job as parents, to talk to our kids and be aware of what they're doing. Are you the only person who hasn't gotten that message yet? Hang on...this is funny: You used to complain about the obnoxious kids you had to deal with as a sub teacher, right? How do you think they got that way? Herring has the military mindset...he prefers automatons. |
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On Jan 28, 10:35*pm, HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote: wrote in message .. . On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:41:08 -0800 (PST), wrote: Does Floriduh have a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local level, by the Klan, church, or whoever's in charge? you are a miserable son of a bitch.... That is misplaced anger. The "church" here is the holy alter of environmentalism which is as fast and loose with science as any of the other fundalmentalists Example? U.S. Sugar was fighting "environmentalism" tooth and nail when I lived in Florida. If you want some interesting reading, check out the connections between the u.s. sugar industry and the communist revolution in cuba.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A retired 77 year old engineer I know quit eating sugar because of that. He still to this day will not knowingly put sugar in anything! |
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On Jan 28, 9:50*pm, wrote:
On Jan 28, 9:44*pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 28, 9:38 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:17:44 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those schools? That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean, too? My daughter went to Lee County schools for 10 years and I volunteered at the middle schools for a while, talking about water quality until we figured out I wasn't preaching the company line (all evel is caused by boaters and "Big Sugar"). I just told it the way I saw if from 8 years of actual water sampling. I hereby offer my condolences. That's what you get for living in a backward state, I guess. Here (NY), my son never got any sort of slanted crap. Matter of fact, his social studies books were neutral to the point of being as boring as the airbrushed bras in the old Sears catalogs. Does Floriduh have a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local level, by the Klan, church, or whoever's in charge? you are a miserable son of a bitch.... ============================ The syllabus (go look it up in a dictionary) comes from SOMEWHERE. It's at the state level, or the local level. If the syllabus is meddled with by special interest groups, it's usually at the local level, although in some backwaters like Kansas, it's at higher levels. If gretwell didn't like what went on in his daughter's school, he knew who to blame. It's not that difficult to melt those evil forces.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You are clueless... drunk, fat, and lazy is no way to live your life son...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Great, now you're stooping to Harry's level..... |
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On Jan 28, 4:45*pm, HK wrote:
wrote: On Jan 28, 4:12 pm, HK wrote: Tim wrote: HK wrote: Yes, well, that was the point of the superintendent of schools in that unnamed North Carolina city, a point with which I agreed and my post reinforced. Children should not be forced or even coerced in "pledging" or prayer. Do you actually have the ability to read for content? I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools. We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges. Probqbly won't be wasting time on NEA ridden public schools in the near future either. Yeah, you'd do better in home schooling. Keeps you in the closet longer..- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Anyway, speaking of music, check this out;) http://www.360synergy.com/presskit.html some weird ****, not much info.. *why do I care about such a project? I have my reasons;) Not *my* kind of guitar. Most of the ones I like are made in Spain. I really like the sound, feel and look of certain Ramirez guitars, for example, or the cedar-topped Manuel Rodriguez Jr. guitars.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes, Harry, we all know that your tastes are a cut above any and all musicians of the world. |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:17:44 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those schools? That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean, too? My daughter went to Lee County schools for 10 years and I volunteered at the middle schools for a while, talking about water quality until we figured out I wasn't preaching the company line (all evel is caused by boaters and "Big Sugar"). I just told it the way I saw if from 8 years of actual water sampling. I hereby offer my condolences. That's what you get for living in a backward state, I guess. Here (NY), my son never got any sort of slanted crap. Matter of fact, his social studies books were neutral to the point of being as boring as the airbrushed bras in the old Sears catalogs. Does Floriduh have a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local level, by the Klan, church, or whoever's in charge? Just wondering.... How much of your sons Social Studies curriculum was dedicated to the Revolutionary War, and to the Founding Fathers? |
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