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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:17:44 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those
schools?
That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean,
too?

My daughter went to Lee County schools for 10 years and I volunteered
at the middle schools for a while, talking about water quality until
we figured out I wasn't preaching the company line (all evel is caused
by boaters and "Big Sugar"). I just told it the way I saw if from 8
years of actual water sampling.


I hereby offer my condolences. That's what you get for living in a
backward state, I guess. Here (NY), my son never got any sort of slanted
crap. Matter of fact, his social studies books were neutral to the point
of being as boring as the airbrushed bras in the old Sears catalogs. Does
Floriduh have a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local
level, by the Klan, church, or whoever's in charge?


Just wondering.... How much of your sons Social Studies curriculum was
dedicated to the Revolutionary War, and to the Founding Fathers?



Just the right amount.

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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:17:44 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those
schools?
That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean,
too?
My daughter went to Lee County schools for 10 years and I volunteered
at the middle schools for a while, talking about water quality until
we figured out I wasn't preaching the company line (all evel is caused
by boaters and "Big Sugar"). I just told it the way I saw if from 8
years of actual water sampling.

I hereby offer my condolences. That's what you get for living in a
backward state, I guess. Here (NY), my son never got any sort of slanted
crap. Matter of fact, his social studies books were neutral to the point
of being as boring as the airbrushed bras in the old Sears catalogs. Does
Floriduh have a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local
level, by the Klan, church, or whoever's in charge?

Just wondering.... How much of your sons Social Studies curriculum was
dedicated to the Revolutionary War, and to the Founding Fathers?



Just the right amount.



Florida used to grossly underpay its classroom teachers. I hope that has
changed. The state used to rank about 30th in teacher pay. Blech.

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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:31:12 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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OK. So, did you surround your daughter with many alternative forms of
information so she could see other viewpoints and form her own opinions?

Separate question: When you spoke to the principal, teachers and school
board about these problems, what did they tell you?

Blank stares



Oy. People like that respond very well to shock, pain and embarrassment. You
needed to crank it up.

Did I ever tell you about my son's petition adventure with his math teacher
in 10th grade?

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On Jan 29, 11:24*am, HK wrote:
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:17:44 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those
schools?
That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean,
too?
My daughter went to Lee County schools for 10 years and I volunteered
at the middle schools for a while, talking about water quality until
we figured out I wasn't preaching the company line (all evel is caused
by boaters and "Big Sugar"). I just told it the way I saw if from 8
years of actual water sampling.

I hereby offer my condolences. That's what you get for living in a
backward state, I guess. Here (NY), my son never got any sort of slanted
crap. Matter of fact, his social studies books were neutral to the point
of being as boring as the airbrushed bras in the old Sears catalogs. Does
Floriduh have a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local
level, by the Klan, church, or whoever's in charge?

Just wondering.... How much of your sons Social Studies curriculum was
dedicated to the Revolutionary War, and to the Founding Fathers?

Just the right amount.

Florida used to grossly underpay its classroom teachers. I hope that has
changed. The state used to rank about 30th in teacher pay. Blech.- Hide quoted text -

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Why would their curriculum change because they get paid more?

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On Jan 28, 11:37*pm, wrote:
On Jan 28, 11:29*pm, Tim wrote:

On Jan 28, 3:52*pm, HK wrote:

No, it isn't. I'm not much of a fan of the music "created" by oddly
shaped guitars-

I am!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1Vjw...eature=related

Nice, I have the G3 Live in Tokyo DVD with Vai, Satriani, and
Petrucci. I think I will have to pull it out and see if I can find an
oddly shaped guitar and play along;)

Harry would never make a decent musician because of his narrow minded
views toward, well, everything. Most real, talented musicians love to
cross over to other genres and jamb with other musicians of other
genres.

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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:17:44 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those
schools?
That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you
mean,
too?

My daughter went to Lee County schools for 10 years and I
volunteered
at the middle schools for a while, talking about water quality
until
we figured out I wasn't preaching the company line (all evel is
caused
by boaters and "Big Sugar"). I just told it the way I saw if from
8
years of actual water sampling.

I hereby offer my condolences. That's what you get for living in a
backward
state, I guess. Here (NY), my son never got any sort of slanted
crap.
Matter
of fact, his social studies books were neutral to the point of being
as
boring as the airbrushed bras in the old Sears catalogs. Does
Floriduh
have
a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local level, by
the
Klan, church, or whoever's in charge?

you are a miserable son of a bitch....

============================

The syllabus (go look it up in a dictionary) comes from SOMEWHERE.
It's at
the state level, or the local level. If the syllabus is meddled with
by
special interest groups, it's usually at the local level, although in
some
backwaters like Kansas, it's at higher levels. If gretwell didn't like
what
went on in his daughter's school, he knew who to blame. It's not that
difficult to melt those evil forces.- Hide quoted text -

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You are clueless... drunk, fat, and lazy is no way to live your life
son...- Hide quoted text -

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Great, now you're stooping to Harry's level.....- Hide quoted text -

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Nope, just not going to have a discussion with someone who knows
nothing but how to insult and diminish.. When some butt****ed drunken
child starts questioning my parenting skills and the decisions me and
my kids make, it is just over the line. Joe needs a good bitch
slappin'. I would love to give it to him but you know the little pussy
would cry and sue....

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Oh please. Come on over, cupcake.- Hide quoted text -

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I don't fight assholes anymore, don't feel like going to jail. But if
you are ever in the area you are welcome to stop by the gym. They have
a ring and first aid on site. Only two requirements, you need to sign
a release, and my bud gets to videotape the match. Until then, ****
off....

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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:17:44 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend
those
schools?
That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what
you
mean,
too?

My daughter went to Lee County schools for 10 years and I
volunteered
at the middle schools for a while, talking about water quality
until
we figured out I wasn't preaching the company line (all evel is
caused
by boaters and "Big Sugar"). I just told it the way I saw if
from
8
years of actual water sampling.

I hereby offer my condolences. That's what you get for living in a
backward
state, I guess. Here (NY), my son never got any sort of slanted
crap.
Matter
of fact, his social studies books were neutral to the point of
being
as
boring as the airbrushed bras in the old Sears catalogs. Does
Floriduh
have
a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local level,
by
the
Klan, church, or whoever's in charge?

you are a miserable son of a bitch....

============================

The syllabus (go look it up in a dictionary) comes from SOMEWHERE.
It's at
the state level, or the local level. If the syllabus is meddled with
by
special interest groups, it's usually at the local level, although
in
some
backwaters like Kansas, it's at higher levels. If gretwell didn't
like
what
went on in his daughter's school, he knew who to blame. It's not
that
difficult to melt those evil forces.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You are clueless... drunk, fat, and lazy is no way to live your life
son...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Great, now you're stooping to Harry's level.....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nope, just not going to have a discussion with someone who knows
nothing but how to insult and diminish.. When some butt****ed drunken
child starts questioning my parenting skills and the decisions me and
my kids make, it is just over the line. Joe needs a good bitch
slappin'. I would love to give it to him but you know the little pussy
would cry and sue....

=============

Oh please. Come on over, cupcake.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I don't fight assholes anymore, don't feel like going to jail. But if
you are ever in the area you are welcome to stop by the gym. They have
a ring and first aid on site. Only two requirements, you need to sign
a release, and my bud gets to videotape the match. Until then, ****
off....

===================


I promise you won't go to jail, cupcake.

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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:17:44 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend
those
schools?
That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what
you
mean,
too?

My daughter went to Lee County schools for 10 years and I
volunteered
at the middle schools for a while, talking about water quality
until
we figured out I wasn't preaching the company line (all evel is
caused
by boaters and "Big Sugar"). I just told it the way I saw if
from
8
years of actual water sampling.

I hereby offer my condolences. That's what you get for living in a
backward
state, I guess. Here (NY), my son never got any sort of slanted
crap.
Matter
of fact, his social studies books were neutral to the point of
being
as
boring as the airbrushed bras in the old Sears catalogs. Does
Floriduh
have
a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local level,
by
the
Klan, church, or whoever's in charge?

you are a miserable son of a bitch....

============================

The syllabus (go look it up in a dictionary) comes from SOMEWHERE.
It's at
the state level, or the local level. If the syllabus is meddled with
by
special interest groups, it's usually at the local level, although
in
some
backwaters like Kansas, it's at higher levels. If gretwell didn't
like
what
went on in his daughter's school, he knew who to blame. It's not
that
difficult to melt those evil forces.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You are clueless... drunk, fat, and lazy is no way to live your life
son...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Great, now you're stooping to Harry's level.....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nope, just not going to have a discussion with someone who knows
nothing but how to insult and diminish.. When some butt****ed drunken
child starts questioning my parenting skills and the decisions me and
my kids make, it is just over the line. Joe needs a good bitch
slappin'. I would love to give it to him but you know the little pussy
would cry and sue....

=============

Oh please. Come on over, cupcake.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I don't fight assholes anymore, don't feel like going to jail. But if
you are ever in the area you are welcome to stop by the gym. They have
a ring and first aid on site. Only two requirements, you need to sign
a release, and my bud gets to videotape the match. Until then, ****
off....

===================

I promise you won't go to jail, cupcake.- Hide quoted text -

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until then, **** off...

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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:17:44 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend
those
schools?
That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what
you
mean,
too?

My daughter went to Lee County schools for 10 years and I
volunteered
at the middle schools for a while, talking about water quality
until
we figured out I wasn't preaching the company line (all evel
is
caused
by boaters and "Big Sugar"). I just told it the way I saw if
from
8
years of actual water sampling.

I hereby offer my condolences. That's what you get for living in
a
backward
state, I guess. Here (NY), my son never got any sort of slanted
crap.
Matter
of fact, his social studies books were neutral to the point of
being
as
boring as the airbrushed bras in the old Sears catalogs. Does
Floriduh
have
a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local
level,
by
the
Klan, church, or whoever's in charge?

you are a miserable son of a bitch....

============================

The syllabus (go look it up in a dictionary) comes from SOMEWHERE.
It's at
the state level, or the local level. If the syllabus is meddled
with
by
special interest groups, it's usually at the local level, although
in
some
backwaters like Kansas, it's at higher levels. If gretwell didn't
like
what
went on in his daughter's school, he knew who to blame. It's not
that
difficult to melt those evil forces.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You are clueless... drunk, fat, and lazy is no way to live your life
son...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Great, now you're stooping to Harry's level.....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nope, just not going to have a discussion with someone who knows
nothing but how to insult and diminish.. When some butt****ed drunken
child starts questioning my parenting skills and the decisions me and
my kids make, it is just over the line. Joe needs a good bitch
slappin'. I would love to give it to him but you know the little pussy
would cry and sue....

=============

Oh please. Come on over, cupcake.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I don't fight assholes anymore, don't feel like going to jail. But if
you are ever in the area you are welcome to stop by the gym. They have
a ring and first aid on site. Only two requirements, you need to sign
a release, and my bud gets to videotape the match. Until then, ****
off....

===================

I promise you won't go to jail, cupcake.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

until then, **** off...

===================


Maybe you should contain your childish wishes and refrain from talking about
bitch slapping people because you don't agree with them. When kids throw
tantrums like that, they get in trouble. When they grow up and act out those
fantasies, they get arrested, or worse.

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On Jan 29, 1:38*pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:43:03 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Jan 28, 11:37 pm, wrote:
On Jan 28, 11:29 pm, Tim wrote:

On Jan 28, 3:52 pm, HK wrote:

No, it isn't. I'm not much of a fan of the music "created" by oddly
shaped guitars-

I am!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1Vjw...eature=related

Nice, I have the G3 Live in Tokyo DVD with Vai, Satriani, and
Petrucci. I think I will have to pull it out and see if I can find an
oddly shaped guitar and play along;)

Harry would never make a decent musician because of his narrow minded
views toward, well, everything. Most real, talented musicians love to
cross over to other genres and jamb with other musicians of other
genres.

Pablo Casals (cello) and Andres Segovia (guitar) are just two examples
of extremely narrow minded but completely "decent" musicians. They
both spoke very harshly about how all music other than their own was
total crap. There are countless others who are very accomplished
musically, but feel the same way. I'm not, of course suggesting that
all great musicians are narrow minded.

I'm sure there are other reasions why Harry would never make a decent
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Andres Segovia collaborated with a LOT of musicians outside of his
genre.
He even persuaded a lot of composers who wouldn't compose for the
guitar, to do so, one being the late Albert Harris.

========================

Here's an interesting collaboration from the category of "Whuh???"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCIyzNISw1Q- Hide quoted text -

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Exactly!

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One of the delights of New Haven in those days was the mish-mash of
cultures and religions, to the point where no group or sect really
dominated. The public schools did close, though, on the Jewish high
holidays, for which everyone was thankful!

The only kid in my grammar school days that didn't do "the pledge"
quietly
stood in the back of the room while the rest of us went through the
morning ritual.

I remember asking him one day why he didn't do it. (this was like 5th
grade) He told me he was a Jehovah's Witness and they didn't believe in
it.

I didn't know what a Jehovah's Witness was from the man in the moon, but
I
thought it was cool and said, "Ok".

Eisboch

My best friend all though high school was and still is a JW. 3 of us ran
around together. One JW, one Jew and me the agnostic. No religious
battles, as no one tried to force any religion on the others. When I
married a Catholic girl in a Catholic Church, with the Monsigeur
presiding,
the JW was my best man and had to teach me how to genuflect. He also did
not say the pledge and did not get in trouble. And this was in the
1950's.- Hide quoted text -

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Yes, but your school, like the schools here in CT had not dismissed
the pledge for those who wanted to participate, also a moment of
silence I would imagine.. But no matter, we all know what we are
argueing with an ideology, not historical facts...;)

True. And we used to "Duck and Cover". My parents said if we get attacked
just come home. Forget about the Duck and cover. We were toast anyway.
There were evacuation plans for the SF Bay area. Yup, all these people were
going to drive towards Sacramento, on US-40. A 2 lane eachway highway.

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One of the delights of New Haven in those days was the mish-mash of
cultures and religions, to the point where no group or sect really
dominated. The public schools did close, though, on the Jewish high
holidays, for which everyone was thankful!
The only kid in my grammar school days that didn't do "the pledge"
quietly
stood in the back of the room while the rest of us went through the
morning ritual.
I remember asking him one day why he didn't do it. (this was like 5th
grade) He told me he was a Jehovah's Witness and they didn't believe in
it.
I didn't know what a Jehovah's Witness was from the man in the moon, but
I
thought it was cool and said, "Ok".
Eisboch
My best friend all though high school was and still is a JW. 3 of us ran
around together. One JW, one Jew and me the agnostic. No religious
battles, as no one tried to force any religion on the others. When I
married a Catholic girl in a Catholic Church, with the Monsigeur
presiding,
the JW was my best man and had to teach me how to genuflect. He also did
not say the pledge and did not get in trouble. And this was in the
1950's.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, but your school, like the schools here in CT had not dismissed
the pledge for those who wanted to participate, also a moment of
silence I would imagine.. But no matter, we all know what we are
argueing with an ideology, not historical facts...;)

True. And we used to "Duck and Cover". My parents said if we get attacked
just come home. Forget about the Duck and cover. We were toast anyway.
There were evacuation plans for the SF Bay area. Yup, all these people were
going to drive towards Sacramento, on US-40. A 2 lane eachway highway.




It's amazing how some here go from the specific to the general.

As an example, the fact that some schools in a state didn't bother with
school prayer or the pledge does not mean that many, most, or all
schools in the state followed the same practice, especially with
independent, local school boards. I grew up in a part of southern
Connecticut that at the time was a lot more progressive than the more
rural parts of the state in the far northeast or northwest counties.

It's also amazing how some of the "great thinkers" here devolved a
conversation down to the level of religious conversion, which I
explained at least three times in plain language was NOT what I was
talking about.

The "d'oh" factor is alive and well in rec.boats.

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On Jan 29, 5:19*pm, HK wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
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One of the delights of New Haven in those days was the mish-mash of
cultures and religions, to the point where no group or sect really
dominated. The public schools did close, though, on the Jewish high
holidays, for which everyone was thankful!
The only kid in my grammar school days that didn't do "the pledge"
quietly
stood in the back of the room while the rest of us went through the
morning ritual.
I remember asking him one day why he didn't do it. (this was like 5th
grade) He told me he was a Jehovah's Witness and they didn't believe in
it.
I didn't know what a Jehovah's Witness was from the man in the moon, but
I
thought it was cool and said, "Ok".
Eisboch
My best friend all though high school was and still is a JW. 3 of us ran
around together. One JW, one Jew and me the agnostic. No religious
battles, as no one tried to force any religion on the others. When I
married a Catholic girl in a Catholic Church, with the Monsigeur
presiding,
the JW was my best man and had to teach me how to genuflect. He also did
not say the pledge and did not get in trouble. And this was in the
1950's.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, but your school, like the schools here in CT had not dismissed
the pledge for those who wanted to participate, also a moment of
silence I would imagine.. But no matter, we all know what we are
argueing with an ideology, not historical facts...;)

True. *And we used to "Duck and Cover". *My parents said if we get attacked
just come home. *Forget about the Duck and cover. *We were toast anyway.
There were evacuation plans for the SF Bay area. *Yup, all these people were
going to drive towards Sacramento, on US-40. *A 2 lane eachway highway..

It's amazing how some here go from the specific to the general.

As an example, the fact that some schools in a state didn't bother with
school prayer or the pledge does not mean that many, most, or all
schools in the state followed the same practice, especially with
independent, local school boards. I grew up in a part of southern
Connecticut that at the time was a lot more progressive than the more
rural parts of the state in the far northeast or northwest counties.

It's also amazing how some of the "great thinkers" here devolved a
conversation down to the level of religious conversion, which I
explained at least three times in plain language was NOT what I was
talking about.

The "d'oh" factor is alive and well in rec.boats.- Hide quoted text -

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I guess you told me;)

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Calif Bill wrote:
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On Jan 29, 2:40 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
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One of the delights of New Haven in those days was the mish-mash of
cultures and religions, to the point where no group or sect really
dominated. The public schools did close, though, on the Jewish high
holidays, for which everyone was thankful!
The only kid in my grammar school days that didn't do "the pledge"
quietly
stood in the back of the room while the rest of us went through the
morning ritual.
I remember asking him one day why he didn't do it. (this was like 5th
grade) He told me he was a Jehovah's Witness and they didn't believe in
it.
I didn't know what a Jehovah's Witness was from the man in the moon,
but I
thought it was cool and said, "Ok".
Eisboch
My best friend all though high school was and still is a JW. 3 of us ran
around together. One JW, one Jew and me the agnostic. No religious
battles, as no one tried to force any religion on the others. When I
married a Catholic girl in a Catholic Church, with the Monsigeur
presiding,
the JW was my best man and had to teach me how to genuflect. He also did
not say the pledge and did not get in trouble. And this was in the
1950's.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, but your school, like the schools here in CT had not dismissed
the pledge for those who wanted to participate, also a moment of
silence I would imagine.. But no matter, we all know what we are
argueing with an ideology, not historical facts...;)

True. And we used to "Duck and Cover". My parents said if we get
attacked just come home. Forget about the Duck and cover. We were toast
anyway. There were evacuation plans for the SF Bay area. Yup, all these
people were going to drive towards Sacramento, on US-40. A 2 lane
eachway highway.


It's amazing how some here go from the specific to the general.

As an example, the fact that some schools in a state didn't bother with
school prayer or the pledge does not mean that many, most, or all schools
in the state followed the same practice, especially with independent,
local school boards. I grew up in a part of southern Connecticut that at
the time was a lot more progressive than the more rural parts of the state
in the far northeast or northwest counties.

It's also amazing how some of the "great thinkers" here devolved a
conversation down to the level of religious conversion, which I explained
at least three times in plain language was NOT what I was talking about.

The "d'oh" factor is alive and well in rec.boats.

It is amazing how some in here can take a post on any subject and turn it in
to a Political Troll. Even trolling with an LT.

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On Jan 29, 6:59*pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 29, 5:19 pm, HK wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
wrote in message
....
On Jan 29, 2:40 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"HK" wrote in message
...
wrote:
One of the delights of New Haven in those days was the mish-mash of
cultures and religions, to the point where no group or sect really
dominated. The public schools did close, though, on the Jewish high
holidays, for which everyone was thankful!
The only kid in my grammar school days that didn't do "the pledge"
quietly
stood in the back of the room while the rest of us went through the
morning ritual.
I remember asking him one day why he didn't do it. (this was like 5th
grade) He told me he was a Jehovah's Witness and they didn't believe in
it.
I didn't know what a Jehovah's Witness was from the man in the moon, but
I
thought it was cool and said, "Ok".
Eisboch
My best friend all though high school was and still is a JW. 3 of us ran
around together. One JW, one Jew and me the agnostic. No religious
battles, as no one tried to force any religion on the others. When I
married a Catholic girl in a Catholic Church, with the Monsigeur
presiding,
the JW was my best man and had to teach me how to genuflect. He also did
not say the pledge and did not get in trouble. And this was in the
1950's.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes, but your school, like the schools here in CT had not dismissed
the pledge for those who wanted to participate, also a moment of
silence I would imagine.. But no matter, we all know what we are
argueing with an ideology, not historical facts...;)
True. *And we used to "Duck and Cover". *My parents said if we get attacked
just come home. *Forget about the Duck and cover. *We were toast anyway.
There were evacuation plans for the SF Bay area. *Yup, all these people were
going to drive towards Sacramento, on US-40. *A 2 lane eachway highway.
It's amazing how some here go from the specific to the general.

As an example, the fact that some schools in a state didn't bother with
school prayer or the pledge does not mean that many, most, or all
schools in the state followed the same practice, especially with
independent, local school boards. I grew up in a part of southern
Connecticut that at the time was a lot more progressive than the more
rural parts of the state in the far northeast or northwest counties.

It's also amazing how some of the "great thinkers" here devolved a
conversation down to the level of religious conversion, which I
explained at least three times in plain language was NOT what I was
talking about.

The "d'oh" factor is alive and well in rec.boats.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I guess you told me;)

I told you THREE times I was not talking about religious converters.
THREE times. Yet you insisted on bringing that up over and over and over.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I like to see you get excited..

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wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:43:03 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 28, 11:37?pm, wrote:
On Jan 28, 11:29?pm, Tim wrote:

On Jan 28, 3:52?pm, HK wrote:

No, it isn't. I'm not much of a fan of the music "created" by oddly
shaped guitars-

I am!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1Vjw...eature=related

Nice, I have the G3 Live in Tokyo DVD with Vai, Satriani, and
Petrucci. I think I will have to pull it out and see if I can find an
oddly shaped guitar and play along;)

Harry would never make a decent musician because of his narrow minded
views toward, well, everything. Most real, talented musicians love to
cross over to other genres and jamb with other musicians of other
genres.

Pablo Casals (cello) and Andres Segovia (guitar) are just two examples
of extremely narrow minded but completely "decent" musicians. They
both spoke very harshly about how all music other than their own was
total crap. There are countless others who are very accomplished
musically, but feel the same way. I'm not, of course suggesting that
all great musicians are narrow minded.

I'm sure there are other reasions why Harry would never make a decent
musician, but that isn't one of them.

And Segovia, and Jorge Morale, are two of the greatest inspiration to
the likes of Al DiMeola and Paco DeLuccia. two of the most open minded
cross genera guitarists alive.

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On Jan 29, 7:02*pm, Tim wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:43:03 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 28, 11:37?pm, wrote:
On Jan 28, 11:29?pm, Tim wrote:

On Jan 28, 3:52?pm, HK wrote:

No, it isn't. I'm not much of a fan of the music "created" by oddly
shaped guitars-

I am!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1Vjw...eature=related

Nice, I have the G3 Live in Tokyo DVD with Vai, Satriani, and
Petrucci. I think I will have to pull it out and see if I can find an
oddly shaped guitar and play along;)

Harry would never make a decent musician because of his narrow minded
views toward, well, everything. Most real, talented musicians love to
cross over to other genres and jamb with other musicians of other
genres.

Pablo Casals (cello) and Andres Segovia (guitar) are just two examples
of extremely narrow minded but completely "decent" musicians. They
both spoke very harshly about how all music other than their own was
total crap. There are countless others who are very accomplished
musically, but feel the same way. I'm not, of course suggesting that
all great musicians are narrow minded.

I'm sure there are other reasions why Harry would never make a decent
musician, but that isn't one of them.

And Segovia, and Jorge Morale, *are two of the greatest inspiration to
the likes of Al DiMeola and Paco DeLuccia. two of the most open minded
cross genera guitarists alive.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

For the sake of my participation in discussions about guitars and
such, I will note that not one of these names is even familiar to
me...;( guess I will just stick to making noise;)

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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:02:45 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:



wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:43:03 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 28, 11:37?pm, wrote:
On Jan 28, 11:29?pm, Tim wrote:

On Jan 28, 3:52?pm, HK wrote:

No, it isn't. I'm not much of a fan of the music "created" by oddly
shaped guitars-

I am!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1Vjw...eature=related

Nice, I have the G3 Live in Tokyo DVD with Vai, Satriani, and
Petrucci. I think I will have to pull it out and see if I can find an
oddly shaped guitar and play along;)

Harry would never make a decent musician because of his narrow minded
views toward, well, everything. Most real, talented musicians love to
cross over to other genres and jamb with other musicians of other
genres.

Pablo Casals (cello) and Andres Segovia (guitar) are just two examples
of extremely narrow minded but completely "decent" musicians. They
both spoke very harshly about how all music other than their own was
total crap. There are countless others who are very accomplished
musically, but feel the same way. I'm not, of course suggesting that
all great musicians are narrow minded.

I'm sure there are other reasions why Harry would never make a decent
musician, but that isn't one of them.

And Segovia, and Jorge Morale, are two of the greatest inspiration to
the likes of Al DiMeola and Paco DeLuccia. two of the most open minded
cross genera guitarists alive.

Segovia wasn't somebody that I really appreciated much. As a
technician, brilliant. As an artist - eh.

I like DiMeola's music.

However, I have always appreciated Django Reinhardt. Definitely an
air head, but his music is uncompromised.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Django_Reinhardt

Also a big fan of Acoustic Alchemy and Greg Carmichael in particular.
Nick Webb was a great arranger/player in the original band and when he
passed, Carmichael brought in Miles Gilderdale who is a very
unheralded guitarist.

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Music
 

On Jan 29, 7:57*pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 29, 6:59 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 29, 5:19 pm, HK wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Jan 29, 2:40 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"HK" wrote in message
.. .
wrote:
One of the delights of New Haven in those days was the mish-mash of
cultures and religions, to the point where no group or sect really
dominated. The public schools did close, though, on the Jewish high
holidays, for which everyone was thankful!
The only kid in my grammar school days that didn't do "the pledge"
quietly
stood in the back of the room while the rest of us went through the
morning ritual.
I remember asking him one day why he didn't do it. (this was like 5th
grade) He told me he was a Jehovah's Witness and they didn't believe in
it.
I didn't know what a Jehovah's Witness was from the man in the moon, but
I
thought it was cool and said, "Ok".
Eisboch
My best friend all though high school was and still is a JW. 3 of us ran
around together. One JW, one Jew and me the agnostic. No religious
battles, as no one tried to force any religion on the others. When I
married a Catholic girl in a Catholic Church, with the Monsigeur
presiding,
the JW was my best man and had to teach me how to genuflect. He also did
not say the pledge and did not get in trouble. And this was in the
1950's.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes, but your school, like the schools here in CT had not dismissed
the pledge for those who wanted to participate, also a moment of
silence I would imagine.. But no matter, we all know what we are
argueing with an ideology, not historical facts...;)
True. *And we used to "Duck and Cover". *My parents said if we get attacked
just come home. *Forget about the Duck and cover. *We were toast anyway.
There were evacuation plans for the SF Bay area. *Yup, all these people were
going to drive towards Sacramento, on US-40. *A 2 lane eachway highway.
It's amazing how some here go from the specific to the general.
As an example, the fact that some schools in a state didn't bother with
school prayer or the pledge does not mean that many, most, or all
schools in the state followed the same practice, especially with
independent, local school boards. I grew up in a part of southern
Connecticut that at the time was a lot more progressive than the more
rural parts of the state in the far northeast or northwest counties.
It's also amazing how some of the "great thinkers" here devolved a
conversation down to the level of religious conversion, which I
explained at least three times in plain language was NOT what I was
talking about.
The "d'oh" factor is alive and well in rec.boats.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I guess you told me;)
I told you THREE times I was not talking about religious converters.
THREE times. Yet you insisted on bringing that up over and over and over.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I like to see you get excited..

You'd have to be my wife naked, or Jennifer Lopez or Salma Hayek almost
naked and knocking on the door for me to get excited.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Thank any overlord you want, I am not one of those..

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On Jan 29, 6:20*pm, wrote:
On Jan 29, 7:02*pm, Tim wrote:





wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:43:03 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 28, 11:37?pm, wrote:
On Jan 28, 11:29?pm, Tim wrote:

On Jan 28, 3:52?pm, HK wrote:

No, it isn't. I'm not much of a fan of the music "created" by oddly
shaped guitars-

I am!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1Vjw...eature=related

Nice, I have the G3 Live in Tokyo DVD with Vai, Satriani, and
Petrucci. I think I will have to pull it out and see if I can find an
oddly shaped guitar and play along;)

Harry would never make a decent musician because of his narrow minded
views toward, well, everything. Most real, talented musicians love to
cross over to other genres and jamb with other musicians of other
genres.

Pablo Casals (cello) and Andres Segovia (guitar) are just two examples
of extremely narrow minded but completely "decent" musicians. They
both spoke very harshly about how all music other than their own was
total crap. There are countless others who are very accomplished
musically, but feel the same way. I'm not, of course suggesting that
all great musicians are narrow minded.

I'm sure there are other reasions why Harry would never make a decent
musician, but that isn't one of them.

And Segovia, and Jorge Morale, *are two of the greatest inspiration to
the likes of Al DiMeola and Paco DeLuccia. two of the most open minded
cross genera guitarists alive.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

For the sake of my participation in discussions about guitars and
such, I will note that not one of these names is even familiar to
me...;( guess I will just stick to making noise;)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Here youu go, man. two for the price of one click.

Al's the guy with the glass's ,Paco has the beard.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yiYBW0Alac8

Excellent flaminco, You ought to hear 'em do metal!

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On Jan 29, 6:33*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:02:45 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:







wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:43:03 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 28, 11:37?pm, wrote:
On Jan 28, 11:29?pm, Tim wrote:

On Jan 28, 3:52?pm, HK wrote:

No, it isn't. I'm not much of a fan of the music "created" by oddly
shaped guitars-

I am!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1Vjw...eature=related

Nice, I have the G3 Live in Tokyo DVD with Vai, Satriani, and
Petrucci. I think I will have to pull it out and see if I can find an
oddly shaped guitar and play along;)

Harry would never make a decent musician because of his narrow minded
views toward, well, everything. Most real, talented musicians love to
cross over to other genres and jamb with other musicians of other
genres.

Pablo Casals (cello) and Andres Segovia (guitar) are just two examples
of extremely narrow minded but completely "decent" musicians. They
both spoke very harshly about how all music other than their own was
total crap. There are countless others who are very accomplished
musically, but feel the same way. I'm not, of course suggesting that
all great musicians are narrow minded.

I'm sure there are other reasions why Harry would never make a decent
musician, but that isn't one of them.

And Segovia, and Jorge Morale, *are two of the greatest inspiration to
the likes of Al DiMeola and Paco DeLuccia. two of the most open minded
cross genera guitarists alive.

Segovia wasn't somebody that I really appreciated much. *As a
technician, brilliant. *As an artist - eh.

I like DiMeola's music.

However, I have always appreciated Django Reinhardt. *Definitely an
air head, but his music is uncompromised.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Django_Reinhardt

Also a big fan of Acoustic Alchemy and Greg Carmichael in particular.
Nick Webb was a great arranger/player in the original band and when he
passed, Carmichael brought in Miles Gilderdale who is a very
unheralded guitarist.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Agreed about Segovia, but he was a benchmark of the Spanish guitar,
kind of like Picaso was a benchmark of er...whatever.

Django? It's amazing what he can do with a couple fingers burnt off.

Totally different style (gypsy jazz) but amazing.

now, shall we go to Joe Pass and Barney Kessel?

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On Jan 29, 6:33*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:


Also a big fan of Acoustic Alchemy and Greg Carmichael in particular.
Nick Webb was a great arranger/player in the original band and when he
passed, Carmichael brought in Miles Gilderdale who is a very
unheralded guitarist

Agreed!

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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:05:41 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


now, shall we go to Joe Pass and Barney Kessel?

Joe Pass was a big influence on me - I love messing around with
chording.

Don't know much about Kessel other than that he was a session musician
for a long time and pretty good at it.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:05:41 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


now, shall we go to Joe Pass and Barney Kessel?

Joe Pass was a big influence on me - I love messing around with
chording.

Don't know much about Kessel other than that he was a session musician
for a long time and pretty good at it.

What ever happened with your bass guitar. I understand Metallica is
looking for a new bass.

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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 06:37:13 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:05:41 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


now, shall we go to Joe Pass and Barney Kessel?

Joe Pass was a big influence on me - I love messing around with
chording.

Don't know much about Kessel other than that he was a session musician
for a long time and pretty good at it.

What ever happened with your bass guitar. I understand Metallica is
looking for a new bass.

I went in a different direction.

Music
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 06:37:13 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:05:41 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


now, shall we go to Joe Pass and Barney Kessel?

Joe Pass was a big influence on me - I love messing around with
chording.

Don't know much about Kessel other than that he was a session musician
for a long time and pretty good at it.

What ever happened with your bass guitar. I understand Metallica is
looking for a new bass.

I went in a different direction.

Down?

Music
 

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:12:42 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:



Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 06:37:13 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:05:41 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


now, shall we go to Joe Pass and Barney Kessel?

Joe Pass was a big influence on me - I love messing around with
chording.

Don't know much about Kessel other than that he was a session musician
for a long time and pretty good at it.

What ever happened with your bass guitar. I understand Metallica is
looking for a new bass.

I went in a different direction.

Down?

Depends on your viewpoint I suppose. :)