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On Jan 26, 11:01*pm, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:

You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental
purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide
an outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those
that need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a
national and
world-wide level.

I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove
itself in my life.

Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons show
up at the door. I tell them I will listen to their pitch
but, they first have to listen to my pitch to become a
Catholic. Usually the say not thank you and get on their way.

You really truly are a dumb foch. I am not talking here about
the door to door church people.

Enlighten me Mr. Genius! What is the difference between the
President of the US saying God Bless and the guy knocking on
your door with the intent on converting you to his religion?

Neither of those events concern me.

Ok, what specific events concern you?

There are quite a few. Most of them concern churchies trying to
force their beliefs on the rest of society. I'll bet with that
hint, you can figure out one or two of them.

Don't Mormon's and Jehovah's Witness' fall into that category?

Let's see if you have any smarts...

I don't care what religions do (within reason) within their houses
of worship, nor do I care what believers do in their homes. I am
only concerned when those religions or believers try to shove their
beliefs onto my secular society. This is NOT a Christian nation, a
Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, et cetera. I don't want a bunch of
Christian nut cases determining what is taught in public schools,
when "life" begins, whether we should have abortions, what sort of
stem cell research is ok, what stores can remain open on Sunday, et
cetera.

Got it now?

I understand that you come across as a spoiled brat. If things are
not the way you expect or want then they are wrong.

It is not your secular society, it is our society. The majority of
our society disagrees with your view of religion in the public
square. This country was founded and formed by those who publicly
professed a belief in God. You don't have to like you just have to
accept it and live with it.

Like it or not those "Christian nut cases" determine a lot of what
happens in our society.

Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooosh.
I'm not talking about a profession of faith. D'uh.

Sure you are. What is the differences between someone saying God Bless
You and asking you if your have been saved?

BTW, when I am asked if I have been saved I quickly respond back with
yes I am saved, I am a Catholic. They quickly walk away.

Just what the hell are you afraid of hearing and why can such a
erudite word smith such as yourself come up with a retort that stops
the asker dead in their tracks?

You are not discussing what I am discussing.

What are you discussing. You keep referring to they and them and for
some reason you won't name them specifically.

Using descriptions what group of "Christian nut cases" are you afraid of
and why?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

He talks of religeon being shoved down his throat but only gives
opinions and talking points as examples. He still has not answered the
origional question of who has shoved it down his throat, because
nobody has..

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"HK" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
On Jan 26, 7:56 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 26, 6:30 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 26, 5:31 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 26, 5:16 pm, hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:
You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental
purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide
an
outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those
that
need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a
national and
world-wide level.
I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove
itself in my life.
Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons
show up
at the door. I tell them I will listen to their pitch but,
they
first have to listen to my pitch to become a Catholic.
Usually
the say not thank you and get on their way.
You really truly are a dumb foch. I am not talking here
about the
door to door church people.
Enlighten me Mr. Genius! What is the difference between the
President of the US saying God Bless and the guy knocking on
your
door with the intent on converting you to his religion?
Neither of those events concern me.
Ok, what specific events concern you?
There are quite a few. Most of them concern churchies trying to
force
their beliefs on the rest of society. I'll bet with that hint,
you can
figure out one or two of them.
Don't Mormon's and Jehovah's Witness' fall into that category?
Let's see if you have any smarts...
I don't care what religions do (within reason) within their houses
of
worship, nor do I care what believers do in their homes. I am only
concerned when those religions or believers try to shove their
beliefs
onto my secular society. This is NOT a Christian nation, a Jewish
nation, a Muslim nation, et cetera. I don't want a bunch of
Christian
nut cases determining what is taught in public schools, when
"life"
begins, whether we should have abortions, what sort of stem cell
research is ok, what stores can remain open on Sunday, et cetera.
Got it now?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes, it is more about political agenda than compassion or logic...
I
get it...
No, you don't get it, either. In the examples I have given, people
of
a certain belief are trying to shove their sect's religious
doctrine on
others. It has nothing to do with compassion and it certainly has
nothing to do with logic.- Hide quoted text -
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So tell us well heeled son, who has shoved religeon down your throat,
and what did it take to stop them? I mean, Vonage and Free Credit
Report.com try to give me a message every day, I don't mind, I just
don't pay attention. Have you ever been refused anything because you
were not willing to listen?
Oi!
--
C'mon Harry, I treat you honestly, answer my question...
We're not discussing the same thing here. The fundamentalist retardos
have limited the federal government's involvement in stem cell research.
Work on that awhile.

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I did some research a while back with my kid (the one in DC working
for the lib lobby group) and she concluded as did I that there has
been many more successful projects from other forms of stem cells and
none from the embrionic type.. Aside from a desire to spend a lot of
money on projects that have resulted in zero progress is just not
practical to a lot of secularists like her either... Besides, I still
contend that we are not a secular society, that is the change that
your party wants. I don't fault you, just think you are wrong and
shortsighted...

The point I am making is that President Idiot restricted federal
involvement in stem cell research for religious reasons. On that basis
alone, the stupid SOB should have been impeached.




--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!


The reason he did it may be wrong, but keeping the government out of stem
cell research is probably a good thing. More progress, and better research
from private groups. Most of the government research goes 95% and then the
private Pharm companies go the last 5% and make the 100% money.

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On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 21:49:05 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .

I was thinking maybe we were getting to the core difference between
classic
liberal and classic conservative philosophies.

The former seems to think they are responsible for all.
The latter focuses on individual responsibility.

I would agree with that, only I would substitute they for government.

I meant to say government for they.

~~ sheesh ~~

It's past my nap time. :)

It's ok. We make certain exceptions for the elderly.

As you damn well should dang gummit.

Why back in my day...

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BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:

You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental
purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide
an outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those
that need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a
national and
world-wide level.

I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove
itself in my life.

Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons
show up at the door. I tell them I will listen to their
pitch but, they first have to listen to my pitch to become
a Catholic. Usually the say not thank you and get on their
way.


You really truly are a dumb foch. I am not talking here
about the door to door church people.

Enlighten me Mr. Genius! What is the difference between the
President of the US saying God Bless and the guy knocking on
your door with the intent on converting you to his religion?


Neither of those events concern me.

Ok, what specific events concern you?



There are quite a few. Most of them concern churchies trying to
force their beliefs on the rest of society. I'll bet with that
hint, you can figure out one or two of them.

Don't Mormon's and Jehovah's Witness' fall into that category?


Let's see if you have any smarts...

I don't care what religions do (within reason) within their houses
of worship, nor do I care what believers do in their homes. I am
only concerned when those religions or believers try to shove
their beliefs onto my secular society. This is NOT a Christian
nation, a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, et cetera. I don't want
a bunch of Christian nut cases determining what is taught in
public schools, when "life" begins, whether we should have
abortions, what sort of stem cell research is ok, what stores can
remain open on Sunday, et cetera.

Got it now?

I understand that you come across as a spoiled brat. If things are
not the way you expect or want then they are wrong.

It is not your secular society, it is our society. The majority of
our society disagrees with your view of religion in the public
square. This country was founded and formed by those who publicly
professed a belief in God. You don't have to like you just have to
accept it and live with it.

Like it or not those "Christian nut cases" determine a lot of what
happens in our society.



Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooosh.
I'm not talking about a profession of faith. D'uh.

Sure you are. What is the differences between someone saying God
Bless You and asking you if your have been saved?

BTW, when I am asked if I have been saved I quickly respond back with
yes I am saved, I am a Catholic. They quickly walk away.

Just what the hell are you afraid of hearing and why can such a
erudite word smith such as yourself come up with a retort that stops
the asker dead in their tracks?



You are not discussing what I am discussing.


What are you discussing. You keep referring to they and them and for
some reason you won't name them specifically.

Using descriptions what group of "Christian nut cases" are you afraid of
and why?




I've explained it three times, in simple language.

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

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HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:

You probably don't realize that is one of the
fundamental purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide
an outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those
that need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a
national and
world-wide level.

I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to
shove itself in my life.

Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons
show up at the door. I tell them I will listen to their
pitch but, they first have to listen to my pitch to become
a Catholic. Usually the say not thank you and get on their
way.


You really truly are a dumb foch. I am not talking here
about the door to door church people.

Enlighten me Mr. Genius! What is the difference between the
President of the US saying God Bless and the guy knocking on
your door with the intent on converting you to his religion?


Neither of those events concern me.

Ok, what specific events concern you?



There are quite a few. Most of them concern churchies trying to
force their beliefs on the rest of society. I'll bet with that
hint, you can figure out one or two of them.

Don't Mormon's and Jehovah's Witness' fall into that category?


Let's see if you have any smarts...

I don't care what religions do (within reason) within their
houses of worship, nor do I care what believers do in their
homes. I am only concerned when those religions or believers try
to shove their beliefs onto my secular society. This is NOT a
Christian nation, a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, et cetera. I
don't want a bunch of Christian nut cases determining what is
taught in public schools, when "life" begins, whether we should
have abortions, what sort of stem cell research is ok, what
stores can remain open on Sunday, et cetera.

Got it now?

I understand that you come across as a spoiled brat. If things are
not the way you expect or want then they are wrong.

It is not your secular society, it is our society. The majority of
our society disagrees with your view of religion in the public
square. This country was founded and formed by those who publicly
professed a belief in God. You don't have to like you just have to
accept it and live with it.

Like it or not those "Christian nut cases" determine a lot of what
happens in our society.



Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooosh.
I'm not talking about a profession of faith. D'uh.

Sure you are. What is the differences between someone saying God
Bless You and asking you if your have been saved?

BTW, when I am asked if I have been saved I quickly respond back
with yes I am saved, I am a Catholic. They quickly walk away.

Just what the hell are you afraid of hearing and why can such a
erudite word smith such as yourself come up with a retort that stops
the asker dead in their tracks?



You are not discussing what I am discussing.


What are you discussing. You keep referring to they and them and for
some reason you won't name them specifically.

Using descriptions what group of "Christian nut cases" are you afraid
of and why?




I've explained it three times, in simple language.


You haven't explained anything. You have alluded too, made veiled
references, and talked around the reasons but, you have not stated what
religious organization has tried to shove religion down your throat.

Where is the substance of your claim.

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On Jan 27, 7:18*am, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:

You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental
purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide
an outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those
that need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a
national and
world-wide level.

I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove
itself in my life.

Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons
show up at the door. I tell them I will listen to their
pitch but, they first have to listen to my pitch to become
a Catholic. Usually the say not thank you and get on their
way.

You really truly are a dumb foch. I am not talking here
about the door to door church people.

Enlighten me Mr. Genius! What is the difference between the
President of the US saying God Bless and the guy knocking on
your door with the intent on converting you to his religion?

Neither of those events concern me.

Ok, what specific events concern you?

There are quite a few. Most of them concern churchies trying to
force their beliefs on the rest of society. I'll bet with that
hint, you can figure out one or two of them.

Don't Mormon's and Jehovah's Witness' fall into that category?

Let's see if you have any smarts...

I don't care what religions do (within reason) within their houses
of worship, nor do I care what believers do in their homes. I am
only concerned when those religions or believers try to shove
their beliefs onto my secular society. This is NOT a Christian
nation, a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, et cetera. I don't want
a bunch of Christian nut cases determining what is taught in
public schools, when "life" begins, whether we should have
abortions, what sort of stem cell research is ok, what stores can
remain open on Sunday, et cetera.

Got it now?

I understand that you come across as a spoiled brat. If things are
not the way you expect or want then they are wrong.

It is not your secular society, it is our society. The majority of
our society disagrees with your view of religion in the public
square. This country was founded and formed by those who publicly
professed a belief in God. You don't have to like you just have to
accept it and live with it.

Like it or not those "Christian nut cases" determine a lot of what
happens in our society.

Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooosh.
I'm not talking about a profession of faith. D'uh.

Sure you are. What is the differences between someone saying God
Bless You and asking you if your have been saved?

BTW, when I am asked if I have been saved I quickly respond back with
yes I am saved, I am a Catholic. They quickly walk away.

Just what the hell are you afraid of hearing and why can such a
erudite word smith such as yourself come up with a retort that stops
the asker dead in their tracks?

You are not discussing what I am discussing.

What are you discussing. You keep referring to they and them and for
some reason you won't name them specifically.

Using descriptions what group of "Christian nut cases" are you afraid of
and why?

I've explained it three times, in simple language.

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You have not given me one example where religeon has been shoved down
your throat beyond general advertizing tactics similar to Fuller
Brush, or any phone bank... No one has shoved anything down your
throat, it is a hollow lie...

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On Jan 27, 11:30*am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 27, 7:18 am, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:
You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental
purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide
an outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those
that need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a
national and
world-wide level.
I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove
itself in my life.
Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons
show up at the door. I tell them I will listen to their
pitch but, they first have to listen to my pitch to become
a Catholic. Usually the say not thank you and get on their
way.
You really truly are a dumb foch. I am not talking here
about the door to door church people.
Enlighten me Mr. Genius! What is the difference between the
President of the US saying God Bless and the guy knocking on
your door with the intent on converting you to his religion?
Neither of those events concern me.
Ok, what specific events concern you?
There are quite a few. Most of them concern churchies trying to
force their beliefs on the rest of society. I'll bet with that
hint, you can figure out one or two of them.
Don't Mormon's and Jehovah's Witness' fall into that category?
Let's see if you have any smarts...
I don't care what religions do (within reason) within their houses
of worship, nor do I care what believers do in their homes. I am
only concerned when those religions or believers try to shove
their beliefs onto my secular society. This is NOT a Christian
nation, a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, et cetera. I don't want
a bunch of Christian nut cases determining what is taught in
public schools, when "life" begins, whether we should have
abortions, what sort of stem cell research is ok, what stores can
remain open on Sunday, et cetera.
Got it now?
I understand that you come across as a spoiled brat. If things are
not the way you expect or want then they are wrong.
It is not your secular society, it is our society. The majority of
our society disagrees with your view of religion in the public
square. This country was founded and formed by those who publicly
professed a belief in God. You don't have to like you just have to
accept it and live with it.
Like it or not those "Christian nut cases" determine a lot of what
happens in our society.
Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooosh.
I'm not talking about a profession of faith. D'uh.
Sure you are. What is the differences between someone saying God
Bless You and asking you if your have been saved?
BTW, when I am asked if I have been saved I quickly respond back with
yes I am saved, I am a Catholic. They quickly walk away.
Just what the hell are you afraid of hearing and why can such a
erudite word smith such as yourself come up with a retort that stops
the asker dead in their tracks?
You are not discussing what I am discussing.
What are you discussing. You keep referring to they and them and for
some reason you won't name them specifically.
Using descriptions what group of "Christian nut cases" are you afraid of
and why?
I've explained it three times, in simple language.

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You have not given me one example where religeon has been shoved down
your throat beyond general advertizing tactics similar to Fuller
Brush, or any phone bank... No one has shoved anything down your
throat, it is a hollow lie...

You and Bert and one or two others seem incapable of understanding
abstract thinking. This is not my fault or my problem.

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well then, bring the level down a notch for me. You know I am
listening, and trying to catch up. It's not like you are pressed for
time to the point you can't take 3 minutes and post a simple one just
for me, I give you the time of day:) Who else has shoved religeon down
your throat in your lifetime? I am pretty sure you have the time to
answer that one, I addressed your last issue, throw me another..

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On Jan 27, 11:38*am, wrote:
On Jan 27, 11:30*am, HK wrote:





wrote:
On Jan 27, 7:18 am, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:
You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental
purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide
an outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those
that need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a
national and
world-wide level.
I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove
itself in my life.
Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons
show up at the door. I tell them I will listen to their
pitch but, they first have to listen to my pitch to become
a Catholic. Usually the say not thank you and get on their
way.
You really truly are a dumb foch. I am not talking here
about the door to door church people.
Enlighten me Mr. Genius! What is the difference between the
President of the US saying God Bless and the guy knocking on
your door with the intent on converting you to his religion?
Neither of those events concern me.
Ok, what specific events concern you?
There are quite a few. Most of them concern churchies trying to
force their beliefs on the rest of society. I'll bet with that
hint, you can figure out one or two of them.
Don't Mormon's and Jehovah's Witness' fall into that category?
Let's see if you have any smarts...
I don't care what religions do (within reason) within their houses
of worship, nor do I care what believers do in their homes. I am
only concerned when those religions or believers try to shove
their beliefs onto my secular society. This is NOT a Christian
nation, a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, et cetera. I don't want
a bunch of Christian nut cases determining what is taught in
public schools, when "life" begins, whether we should have
abortions, what sort of stem cell research is ok, what stores can
remain open on Sunday, et cetera.
Got it now?
I understand that you come across as a spoiled brat. If things are
not the way you expect or want then they are wrong.
It is not your secular society, it is our society. The majority of
our society disagrees with your view of religion in the public
square. This country was founded and formed by those who publicly
professed a belief in God. You don't have to like you just have to
accept it and live with it.
Like it or not those "Christian nut cases" determine a lot of what
happens in our society.
Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooosh.
I'm not talking about a profession of faith. D'uh.
Sure you are. What is the differences between someone saying God
Bless You and asking you if your have been saved?
BTW, when I am asked if I have been saved I quickly respond back with
yes I am saved, I am a Catholic. They quickly walk away.
Just what the hell are you afraid of hearing and why can such a
erudite word smith such as yourself come up with a retort that stops
the asker dead in their tracks?
You are not discussing what I am discussing.
What are you discussing. You keep referring to they and them and for
some reason you won't name them specifically.
Using descriptions what group of "Christian nut cases" are you afraid of
and why?
I've explained it three times, in simple language.

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You have not given me one example where religeon has been shoved down
your throat beyond general advertizing tactics similar to Fuller
Brush, or any phone bank... No one has shoved anything down your
throat, it is a hollow lie...

You and Bert and one or two others seem incapable of understanding
abstract thinking. This is not my fault or my problem.

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well then, bring the level down a notch for me. You know I am
listening, and trying to catch up. It's not like you are pressed for
time to the point you can't take 3 minutes and post a simple one just
for me, I give you the time of day:) Who else has shoved religeon down
your throat in your lifetime? I am pretty sure you have the time to
answer that one, I addressed your last issue, throw me another..- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And while you are at it, how do you feel about teachers being paid to
intimidate kids in middleschool? My kid is in a class where the
teacher constantly calls President Bush names, says republicans are
stupid, and allows merciless attacks from the students toward anybody
Mormon. My kid and a friend who is a Mormon in the class and is
scared to death to say anything in the class.. this is way more
dangerous than a moment of silence. This teacher may soon be on the
news as a couple of the kids are sick of it and may just take some
cell phone footage....;)