Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:05:42 -0500, hk wrote:

Come on - you are smarter than that.
Yup. Bill Lied About Sex.

It not about WHAT he lied about - it's that he LIED about it.


Yeah, well, if it had been something important, it might have mattered.
As it was over sex, it didn't.

Now, lying us into a war - as Bush has done - that matters.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:05:42 -0500, hk wrote:

Come on - you are smarter than that.
Yup. Bill Lied About Sex.

It not about WHAT he lied about - it's that he LIED about it.


Yeah, well, if it had been something important, it might have mattered. As
it was over sex, it didn't.

Now, lying us into a war - as Bush has done - that matters.


Forget the issue for a moment and consider the character of the person. How
do you pick and choose dishonesty?
My opinion is that Bill Clinton is one of the most intellectually dishonest
people I've ever seen with his wife a close second.

Eisboch

Eisboch

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:05:42 -0500, hk wrote:

Come on - you are smarter than that.
Yup. Bill Lied About Sex.

It not about WHAT he lied about - it's that he LIED about it.


Yeah, well, if it had been something important, it might have mattered.
As it was over sex, it didn't.

Now, lying us into a war - as Bush has done - that matters.


Forget the issue for a moment and consider the character of the person.
How do you pick and choose dishonesty?
My opinion is that Bill Clinton is one of the most intellectually
dishonest people I've ever seen with his wife a close second.

Eisboch


I should add: Bush can't be intellectually dishonest for obvious reasons.

Eisboch

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:55:37 -0500, Eisboch wrote:


Forget the issue for a moment and consider the character of the person.
How do you pick and choose dishonesty?
My opinion is that Bill Clinton is one of the most intellectually
dishonest people I've ever seen with his wife a close second.

I wouldn't dispute that about Bill. He's the consummate politician, and
there is something fundamentally dishonest about that.

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:04:26 -0000, wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:55:37 -0500, Eisboch wrote:


Forget the issue for a moment and consider the character of the person.
How do you pick and choose dishonesty?
My opinion is that Bill Clinton is one of the most intellectually
dishonest people I've ever seen with his wife a close second.

I wouldn't dispute that about Bill. He's the consummate politician, and
there is something fundamentally dishonest about that.

It's the nature of politics I think.

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:05:42 -0500, hk wrote:

Come on - you are smarter than that.
Yup. Bill Lied About Sex.
It not about WHAT he lied about - it's that he LIED about it.

Yeah, well, if it had been something important, it might have mattered. As
it was over sex, it didn't.

Now, lying us into a war - as Bush has done - that matters.


Forget the issue for a moment and consider the character of the person. How
do you pick and choose dishonesty?
My opinion is that Bill Clinton is one of the most intellectually dishonest
people I've ever seen with his wife a close second.

Eisboch

Eisboch




Bush is far, far more dishonest, though I will give you this: Bush's
dishonesty is not based on intellectuality.

On Jan 26, 8:48*am, hk wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:05:42 -0500, hk wrote:

Come on - you are smarter than that.
Yup. Bill Lied About Sex.

It not about WHAT he lied about - it's that he LIED about it.

Yeah, well, if it had been something important, it might have mattered.
As it was over sex, it didn't.

Now, lying us into a war - as Bush has done - that matters.

Why do you always find a justification for bad behavior. Anyone paying
attention knows the Clintons were into a lot more than just sex, it
does not matter that witnesses committed Arkansas Suicide and they
were never convicted.

wrote:
On Jan 26, 8:48 am, hk wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:05:42 -0500, hk wrote:
Come on - you are smarter than that.
Yup. Bill Lied About Sex.
It not about WHAT he lied about - it's that he LIED about it.
Yeah, well, if it had been something important, it might have mattered.
As it was over sex, it didn't.

Now, lying us into a war - as Bush has done - that matters.

Why do you always find a justification for bad behavior. Anyone paying
attention knows the Clintons were into a lot more than just sex, it
does not matter that witnesses committed Arkansas Suicide and they
were never convicted.


I find no justificaiton for the bad behavior of the BushAdmin.

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:48:42 -0500, hk wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:05:42 -0500, hk wrote:

Come on - you are smarter than that.
Yup. Bill Lied About Sex.

It not about WHAT he lied about - it's that he LIED about it.

Yeah, well, if it had been something important, it might have mattered.
As it was over sex, it didn't.

It's not the issue - the issue is that he lied. Period. End of
Dicsussion.

Now, lying us into a war - as Bush has done - that matters.

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of
threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction,
ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond
today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be
emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the
U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if
appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to
respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its
weapons of mass destruction programs." Joe Lieberman, Dianne
Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry, October 9,
1998.

"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors
last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam
Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that
biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be
back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine
delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile
program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the
United States and our allies." Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford,
& Tom Lantos.

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while
retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs.
We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline
Albright, 1998

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and
some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he
has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger,
Feb 18, 1998

"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence
back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from
gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up
and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense
William Cohen in April of 2003

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass
destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them
against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware
that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue
of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in
the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a
threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the
weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible
intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq
still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and
clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen
bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue
manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons
of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and
mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and
ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use
industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute
large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons Inspector
Scott Ritter in 1998

So, Harry, be honest.

Did all those people also lie?

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:48:42 -0500, hk wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:05:42 -0500, hk wrote:

Come on - you are smarter than that.
Yup. Bill Lied About Sex.
It not about WHAT he lied about - it's that he LIED about it.
Yeah, well, if it had been something important, it might have mattered.
As it was over sex, it didn't.

It's not the issue - the issue is that he lied. Period. End of
Dicsussion.

Now, lying us into a war - as Bush has done - that matters.

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of
threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction,
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I've seen all that crap a zillion times.

Bush lied us into war. No way out of it.