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Yo!! Harry!! What is it about Democrat leaders
On Jan 26, 5:56�pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
Why didn't Big Bill do something? Eisboch Some non-YouTube items that might be of interest to you. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n3749494.shtml *** Weapons inspectors, on the ground in Iraq from 1991-1998 (Clinton years. mostly) were able to verify with "90-95% certainty that Iraq had disarmed from the proscribed weapons", according to the chief weapons inspector at that time. Obviously this intel was available to Clinton, as well as to his successor. http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0721-02.htm *** Bill Clinton bombed Iraq for four days in 1998, reportedly because Hussein had suddenly refused the weapons inspectors access to certain areas. At the time, he was *severely* criticized by the Republican majority in congress- most of whom claimed he was "wagging the dog" to divert attention from the impeachment proceedings. Obviously as recently as 1998 the Republicans thought a blow job in the oval office was a greater threat to national security than any potential weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...s/clinton.html *********** It is popular to criticize Clinton for "doing nothing to combat Al Qaida" during his term in office. It is not true that Clinton, "did nothing". On August 20 1998, he ordered a cruise missle attack on Al Qiada training camps in Afghanistan, and in a speech warned the American public that Al Qaida was specifically planning to attack the US. This was also the time that Clinton bombed a pharmacuetical factory in the Sudan suspected of making or researching chemical weapons. You undoubtedly remember all of the Sudanese protests (echoed loudly by Limbaugh and the Republican party) that the factory was actually producing aspirin. Once again, the majority of Republicans were charging that there was no actual basis for these attacks and that Clinton was "wagging the dog" to divert attention away from his marital infidelity and the impending impeachment. http://www.cnn.com/US/9808/20/us.strikes.02/ ********** And finally, here's a good synopsis of conservative reaction to the Clinton attacks on Iraq: http://www.conservativeusa.org/wagdog.htm I can't avoid smiling at the outraged comments that those cruise missles "Cost $2-million apiece!". Don't we now spend $2million every few minutes in Iraq? ********************* Carry on, gentlemen. Just thought I'd toss a few facts into the mix. |
#202
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Yo!! Harry!! What is it about Democrat leaders
On Jan 26, 9:03�pm, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:56:22 -0500, Eisboch wrote: Yet most of the Democratic leadership at the time, well before Bush took office, trusted the intel and advocated action. �You've been provided with a partial list. �The names are very familiar. Why didn't Big Bill do something? Eisboch A better question is, why are Republicans so slow? �Clinton did attack Iraq. �On 12/16/98, he launched 200 cruise missiles at Iraq. �What was the Republican response? �Clinton's "Wagging the Dog" to avoid dealing with the Lewinsky matter. �Fast forward 5 years, and the Republicans are all on board invading Iraq. �Clearly there were no political motivations as this was a matter of national security, so one just has to assume Republicans are slow. Almost forgotten by so many today is the situation described by this broadcast in November of 1998. Clinton's response to Iraq went far beyond lobbing a few cruise missles. And you are right, the opposition generally refused to consider that he could have any motivation beyond "wagging the dog". http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middl...raq_11-13.html |
#203
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Yo!! Harry!! What is it about Democrat leaders
On Jan 27, 10:18*am, Chuck Gould wrote:
Obviously as recently as 1998 the Republicans thought a blow job in the oval office was a greater threat to national security than any potential weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. ********************* Carry on, gentlemen. Just thought I'd toss a few facts into the mix. Yeah, facts that are obvious to you and Harry.. You cry about political rants, just because yours are subtile and hidden? Like Harry and Joe, you have no idea what any of these folks really knew/know and less of what their motivations were. At least you should admit to putting on the suit and jumping in.... |
#204
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Yo!! Harry!! What is it about Democrat leaders
On Jan 27, 7:47�am, "JimH" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message ... On Jan 26, 5:56?pm, "Eisboch" wrote: Why didn't Big Bill do something? Eisboch Some non-YouTube items that might be of interest to you. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n3749494.shtml *** Weapons inspectors, on the ground in Iraq from 1991-1998 (Clinton years. mostly) were able to verify with "90-95% certainty that Iraq had disarmed from the proscribed weapons", according to the chief weapons inspector at that time. Obviously this intel was available to Clinton, as well as to his successor. http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0721-02.htm *** Bill Clinton bombed Iraq for four days in 1998, reportedly because Hussein had suddenly refused the weapons inspectors access to certain areas. At the time, he was *severely* criticized by the Republican majority in congress- most of whom claimed he was "wagging the dog" to divert attention from the impeachment proceedings. Obviously as recently as 1998 the Republicans thought a blow job in the oval office was a greater threat to national security than any potential weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...cripts/clinton... *********** It is popular to criticize Clinton for "doing nothing to combat Al Qaida" during his term in office. It is not true that Clinton, "did nothing". On August 20 1998, he ordered a cruise missle attack on Al Qiada training camps in Afghanistan, and in a speech warned the American public that Al Qaida was specifically planning to attack the US. This was also the time that Clinton bombed a pharmacuetical factory in the Sudan suspected of making or researching chemical weapons. You undoubtedly remember all of the Sudanese protests (echoed loudly by Limbaugh and the Republican party) that the factory was actually producing aspirin. Once again, the majority of Republicans were charging that there was no actual basis for these attacks and that Clinton was "wagging the dog" to divert attention away from his marital infidelity and the impending impeachment. http://www.cnn.com/US/9808/20/us.strikes.02/ ********** And finally, here's a good synopsis of �conservative reaction to the Clinton attacks on Iraq: http://www.conservativeusa.org/wagdog.htm I can't avoid smiling at the outraged comments that those cruise missles "Cost $2-million apiece!". Don't we now spend $2million every few minutes in Iraq? ********************* Carry on, gentlemen. Just thought I'd toss a few facts into the mix. =============== I thought you were just blowing a gasket about political and OT posts here Chuck. �Strange. You're right, Jim. I get sucked in once in a while. 243 posts in this thread and four of them are mine (including this one). Eisboch is a pretty stand up guy who wouldn't deliberately make a false statement to promote his political agenda. When he commented that Big Bill didn't do anything about Iraq, I thought that perhaps it would be a kind gesture to refresh his memory. Otherwise, I'm staying out of this. Let the name calling and personal attacks continue..... |
#206
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Yo!! Harry!! What is it about Democrat leaders
On Jan 27, 10:56Â*am, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jan 27, 7:47�am, "JimH" wrote: "Chuck Gould" wrote in message ... On Jan 26, 5:56?pm, "Eisboch" wrote: Why didn't Big Bill do something? Eisboch Some non-YouTube items that might be of interest to you. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n3749494.shtml *** Weapons inspectors, on the ground in Iraq from 1991-1998 (Clinton years. mostly) were able to verify with "90-95% certainty that Iraq had disarmed from the proscribed weapons", according to the chief weapons inspector at that time. Obviously this intel was available to Clinton, as well as to his successor. http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0721-02.htm *** Bill Clinton bombed Iraq for four days in 1998, reportedly because Hussein had suddenly refused the weapons inspectors access to certain areas. At the time, he was *severely* criticized by the Republican majority in congress- most of whom claimed he was "wagging the dog" to divert attention from the impeachment proceedings. Obviously as recently as 1998 the Republicans thought a blow job in the oval office was a greater threat to national security than any potential weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...cripts/clinton... *********** It is popular to criticize Clinton for "doing nothing to combat Al Qaida" during his term in office. It is not true that Clinton, "did nothing". On August 20 1998, he ordered a cruise missle attack on Al Qiada training camps in Afghanistan, and in a speech warned the American public that Al Qaida was specifically planning to attack the US. This was also the time that Clinton bombed a pharmacuetical factory in the Sudan suspected of making or researching chemical weapons. You undoubtedly remember all of the Sudanese protests (echoed loudly by Limbaugh and the Republican party) that the factory was actually producing aspirin. Once again, the majority of Republicans were charging that there was no actual basis for these attacks and that Clinton was "wagging the dog" to divert attention away from his marital infidelity and the impending impeachment. http://www.cnn.com/US/9808/20/us.strikes.02/ ********** And finally, here's a good synopsis of �conservative reaction to the Clinton attacks on Iraq: http://www.conservativeusa.org/wagdog.htm I can't avoid smiling at the outraged comments that those cruise missles "Cost $2-million apiece!". Don't we now spend $2million every few minutes in Iraq? ********************* Carry on, gentlemen. Just thought I'd toss a few facts into the mix. =============== I thought you were just blowing a gasket about political and OT posts here Chuck. �Strange. You're right, Jim. I get sucked in once in a while. 243 posts in this thread and four of them are mine (including this one). Eisboch is a pretty stand up guy who wouldn't deliberately make a false statement to promote his political agenda. When he commented that Big Bill didn't do anything about Iraq, I thought that perhaps it would be a kind gesture to refresh his memory. Otherwise, I'm staying out of this. Let the name calling and personal attacks continue.....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you read carefully, you will find that there is actually a lot of non-namecalling going on, and even some discussion. Personally, I always welcome your input, just wish you would admit to being interested and wanting to participate. |
#207
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Yo!! Harry!! What is it about Democrat leaders
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 07:18:07 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote: Hey Chuck - Stay out of the political ****. After your rant the other day, you make yourself look the fool when you chime in with your liberal crap. Stay above it, although, if I remember correctly, you were on the political bandwagon several months ago when Harry first started again. -- John H |
#208
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What is it about Democrat leaders
On Jan 26, 9:23*pm, wrote:
On Jan 26, 9:59*pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ... On Jan 26, 1:42 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:dppmp3pdv23mnd9vi1mb8icepan7qciei7@4ax .com... On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:47:10 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "hk" wrote in message m... I've seen all that crap a zillion times. Bush lied us into war. No way out of it. Pretty much sums it up. I gave him another chance at it - let's see if he'll man up and say the right thing. It's my considered opinion that Bush was set up by the Clintons and their main henchman in the process was George Tenant. I suppose you think Reagan was set up by Carter, in terms of inheriting the Pakistan nightmare.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, with my tin hat firmly pulled down I have always thought just the opposite. Regan set up Carter with some kind of back room deal or threat to Iran... =============== Reagan set up Carter? In what capacity (job) did Reagan do that?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - none- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, maybe this..... Might get all orgasmic too! http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_...27011009990008 |
#209
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Yo!! Harry!! What is it about Democrat leaders
On Jan 27, 8:32�am, Smoked Herring
wrote: On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 07:18:07 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: Hey Chuck - Stay out of the political ****. After your rant the other day, you make yourself look the fool when you chime in with your liberal crap. Operation Desert Fox isn't "liberal crap" John, it's history. Inconvenient for some who want to insist that "Clinton stood by and did nothing", but history none the less. You guys go ahead and argue politics. I simply wanted to inject some historical perspective. Nothing more. Have a nice day, I'm off to the Boat Show. Stay above it, although, if I remember correctly, you were on the political bandwagon several months ago when Harry first started again. -- John H |
#210
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What is it about Democrat leaders
"Smoked Herring" wrote in message
... On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:18:31 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Smoked Herring" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 02:57:30 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Smoked Herring" wrote in message m... On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:03:44 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Smoked Herring" wrote in message news:rgenp3hlev85bolg14p383icee66l7jr0i@4ax. com... On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:39:27 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Smoked Herring" wrote in message news:tcdnp318b456aadm8h4lkdp83r8l6hinsp@4a x.com... On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:37:19 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Kippered" wrote in message news:hnjmp3ht9pue2tp4dv1imbqb0qrvl3c3en@ 4ax.com... On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:42:05 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Kippered" wrote in message news:hvcmp3tqorgj6ulot8732op3hapktbe70 ... On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 02:22:22 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "JG2U" wrote in message news:gi5lp3ph0vpuv5blqs6ae6htl9agct4 ... On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 01:05:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "JG2U" wrote in message news:271lp3lvkn4ovp9po2ta8suv0hr9f ... On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 00:44:45 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "JG2U" wrote in message news:9vukp3llhf10ko0rpqv5h4rk6r2 ... On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:55:10 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "BAR" wrote in message news:MLWdnS7E37GyoAfanZ2dnUVZ_ ... wrote: On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:24:18 -0500, Kippered wrote: Harry, it's not the sex. I know this is, for you, especially hard to understand. The guy *perjured* himself. That means lying. Believe it or not, most folks consider that wrong. Of course, you and your buddy find nothing wrong with that because it gains you notoriety, and some probably think it's right cool. But it isn't. Uh, perjury and lying are not the same thing. Clinton was guilty of one, but we was not guilty of the other. Don't you remember Bill pointing his finger at us and saying "I did not have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinski!" Let's ask the wives if a blow job is sex or not before you parse Bill's answer. I wonder if it's illegal for presidents to have sex with anyone they want, wherever they want. I said ILLEGAL. Yes, it IS illegal. A president can not have sex with anyone they want, wherever they want. Period. Do you think they can? If so, explain how. I might be wrong, but I don't think it's illegal. You sound pretty sure of it, though. Do you recall where you heard or read that? As far as my explaining "how", that's really a subject better discussed with your dad. You *are* wrong. Anyone? OK, your ex-wife. Anywhere? Town Square at noon. Illegal on two counts, rape (unless she's easy) and indecent exposure. Hell, you made the rules. You made it too easy. Anyway, being pres does NOT let you have sex with anyone, anywhere you choose. You know that. You've now been taught why. ;-) Bye You knew I meant "consenting adults", but you're now using that technicality to wiggle out of proving your legal theory. You also knew I meant that the act would not happen in the place where it would be illegal for ANYONE. You're also using that as an excuse to not prove your point. I can't (and wouldn't want to) read your mind. I can't help that your statement was poorly defined. My statement your original statement stands as true. Prove that it was illegal for Clinton to have sex with Lewinski. Do it now. Unless he coerced her, that was not illegal. Unethical, sleazy, immoral, indicative of his moral values, proof of his lack of a moral compass, proving him to ba a risk to national security, YES. Illegal, no. It was the purgery that was illegal. But I never said otherwise. You know that. Great. We agree. It wasn't illegal. Now, you can agree that the fake saints asked him the infamous question only for political gain. There were no ***SINCERE*** concerns about blackmail or national security. Only a child pretends that the president cannot make a problem like that vanish. He was questioned about his unethical, sleazy, and immoral activities. Or is unethical behavior something that you don't believe can exist? You never saw me claim that his behavior was NOT unethical. If you disagree, please find the text, written by me, which suggests that I approve of what he did. Copy & past a sample of that text into your next response. "Now, you can agree that the fake saints asked him the infamous question only for political gain." No. They asked him the question because of his unethical, sleazy, and immoral behavior. Your implication that they had no reason to question his behavior is horse****. You will (or should) recall that the biggest mouth during the inquisition belonged to Gingrich, who later said he was having an affair at the time. He didn't think HIS OWN behavior was wrong. Therefore, he didn't REALLY believe Clinton's behavior was wrong. Based on these FACTS, we can only conclude that he led the charge for political gain, not because of his opinion of Clinton's behavior. How can you possibly claim to know what Gingrich thought. You are way too full of yourself. Your implication is still horse****. -- John H Do you think Gingrich was wracked with guilt during his affair? Of course not. He did it because he thought it was enjoyable. Gingrich's guilt or lack thereof has no bearing on your horse**** implication. -- John H My implication is perfect. Gingrich went after Clinton for only one reason: To make political hay because he needed to at the time. Nobody gave a damn about Clinton's sex life. Clinton simply provided them with a tool to use against him. That was his biggest mistake. Other than the fact that his sex life was sleazy, unethical, and immoral, no one gave a **** about it. But, he perjured himself. That's what gave 'them' the tool to use. -- John H Work backwards, John. He perjured himself because he was asked a question. The question was asked because someone needed ammunition. The question should never have been asked, particularly because the loudest proponent of the question was Gingrich, who was equally guilty AT THE VERY TIME THE QUESTION WAS ASKED. Backwards my ass. He perjured himself, regardless of your 'reason'. Your implication remains horse****. -- John H It's obvious that he committed perjury. That is not my point. How many repetitions do you need before you understand that we agree on the perjury issue? Good. Sex wasn't the issue. Perjury was. QED -- John H They asked him about sex because he committed perjury? How can you be guilty of lying about a question that hasn't been asked yet? |
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