On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 07:33:14 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:05:36 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:00:02 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that was
the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the Steigers
with a 21 degree deadrise.
I think we know how that would turn out. Bring on another case of
shock absorbers.
The 16-degree Parkers do very well in the chop. Very sharp bow entry,
tabs, and you move right along at a decent clip.

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.

While the defense of your favorite boat line is admirable, dude - you
really have to think before you make a statement like that.

That just ain't true.

What part do you disagree with, Tom?

That the guys here with the 16-degree deadrise hulls use their sharp
entry bows and trim tabs to ride through the chop? That the boats are
very popular? That the biggest selling Parkers around here are the 21
and 23 footers with the 16-degree deadrise hulls?

Many of the best guides in the Bay, the entire Bay, are running the
23-foot Parkers with 16-degree deadrise bottoms.

My previous Parker had the 16 degree deadrise hull. If the chop got
noticeable, I just used the tabs to lower the bow and we kept on keeping
on, in conditions that would have had you bouncing right out of your
overwide Wrangler.

I'll talk to you when you become reasonable.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 00:59:19 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:29:39 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Parker owners have no sense of style. :)
We surely know of one case where the owner also lacks class. Style is
in the eye of the beholder however. There is something about the high
transom Parker's no nonsense utilitarian appearance that holds a
certain amount of appeal, sort of like a good work boat. The low
transom, low deadrise models however are for river wussies.

The odd thing is that Steiger started out the same way - making solid,
sound workaday boats and they evolved, changed and developed.

A Parker is a Parker - look at one built 10 years ago and yesterday
and they are the same boat - nothing has changed.

I'm not saying Parker isn't a quality boat - it is, although I have my
reservations about some things just like I do about other quality
boats. There are issues with my Ranger and when I owned the
Fisharound, there were several issues I had with that boat - didn't
mean they were lousy boats.

Here's an example of what I'm talking about. This company basically
builds "lobsta" boats down Maine way. They've taken the basic concept
hull and developed this:

http://www.bigpondboatshop.com/mysticmooring2.htm

This is another example of why a Parker is a Parker.

This is a 1995 Parker 23 cuddy.

http://tinyurl.com/ywcmez

This is a 2008 Parker 23 cuddy.

http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=10

With the exception of the stern bracket, they are the same boat
thirteen years apart.

You would think that Parker could at least update the design, change
things around - or even better, paint their boats a different color.


Parker is a successful, family owned company that sells out its entire
production every year. Most Parker owners are previous Parker owners,
and most Parkers on the used market sell quickly.

I love the fact that my 21' Parker uses the same basic hull form that
has been working well for a long, long time. The hull form has seen
refinements over the years, and there have been other changes in
configuration, accessories, equipment, and so forth, but if I park my
new boat next to a 15 year old Parker of the same model, they are going
to look very, very similar.

As I said the other day, if you want a Parker with metalflake, I am sure
some sort of accommodation could be worked out.

As a matter of fact, I do believe I have seen photos of a Parker that
came out of the factory sporting green or blue sides...I think that boat
was nicknamed "Heresy."

Parkers are like women...they have the perfect shape, with all the
important pieces and parts in just the right places. The accessories may
be a little different from model to model, but when you look at a
well-turned out one, you know it is a Parker.

These days, I can't tell a Ranger bass boat from the other 93 different
models from other bass boat manufacturers. All that metalflake, low
sides, grey carpeting...dull, dull, dull.

Jim wrote:



Well, sure enough. Although, it's not an option on each model.
Different models have a different deadrise ... either 16 degrees or 21
degrees.

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that
was the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the
Steigers with a 21 degree deadrise.

Eisboch

Why are we discussing 25 footers. Harry has a 21 foot slab sided Parker.
Remember when he tried to poke fun of skippers boat with the slab sides.
Here's a stylish little number that might compare favorably with a 21
Parker. http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/boa/511299363.html

You are dead wrong on this. That boat did not have a LT.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 07:33:14 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:05:36 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:00:02 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that was
the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the Steigers
with a 21 degree deadrise.
I think we know how that would turn out. Bring on another case of
shock absorbers.
The 16-degree Parkers do very well in the chop. Very sharp bow entry,
tabs, and you move right along at a decent clip.

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.
While the defense of your favorite boat line is admirable, dude - you
really have to think before you make a statement like that.

That just ain't true.
What part do you disagree with, Tom?

That the guys here with the 16-degree deadrise hulls use their sharp
entry bows and trim tabs to ride through the chop? That the boats are
very popular? That the biggest selling Parkers around here are the 21
and 23 footers with the 16-degree deadrise hulls?

Many of the best guides in the Bay, the entire Bay, are running the
23-foot Parkers with 16-degree deadrise bottoms.

My previous Parker had the 16 degree deadrise hull. If the chop got
noticeable, I just used the tabs to lower the bow and we kept on keeping
on, in conditions that would have had you bouncing right out of your
overwide Wrangler.

I'll talk to you when you become reasonable.


Well, I am not sure what you are talking about here, Tom.
Perhaps you might want to dialogue with Richie Gaines, one of the most
successful guides on Chesapeake Bay:

http://tinyurl.com/3ys3n9




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"HK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:05:36 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:00:02 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that
was the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the
Steigers with a 21 degree deadrise.
I think we know how that would turn out. Bring on another case of
shock absorbers.
The 16-degree Parkers do very well in the chop. Very sharp bow entry,
tabs, and you move right along at a decent clip.

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.

While the defense of your favorite boat line is admirable, dude - you
really have to think before you make a statement like that.

That just ain't true.


What part do you disagree with, Tom?

That the guys here with the 16-degree deadrise hulls use their sharp entry
bows and trim tabs to ride through the chop? That the boats are very
popular? That the biggest selling Parkers around here are the 21 and 23
footers with the 16-degree deadrise hulls?

Many of the best guides in the Bay, the entire Bay, are running the
23-foot Parkers with 16-degree deadrise bottoms.

My previous Parker had the 16 degree deadrise hull. If the chop got
noticeable, I just used the tabs to lower the bow and we kept on keeping
on, in conditions that would have had you bouncing right out of your
overwide Wrangler.

That's what tabs are for? I didn't know that.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:05:36 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:00:02 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that
was the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the
Steigers with a 21 degree deadrise.
I think we know how that would turn out. Bring on another case of
shock absorbers.
The 16-degree Parkers do very well in the chop. Very sharp bow entry,
tabs, and you move right along at a decent clip.

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.
While the defense of your favorite boat line is admirable, dude - you
really have to think before you make a statement like that.

That just ain't true.

What part do you disagree with, Tom?

That the guys here with the 16-degree deadrise hulls use their sharp entry
bows and trim tabs to ride through the chop? That the boats are very
popular? That the biggest selling Parkers around here are the 21 and 23
footers with the 16-degree deadrise hulls?

Many of the best guides in the Bay, the entire Bay, are running the
23-foot Parkers with 16-degree deadrise bottoms.

My previous Parker had the 16 degree deadrise hull. If the chop got
noticeable, I just used the tabs to lower the bow and we kept on keeping
on, in conditions that would have had you bouncing right out of your
overwide Wrangler.

That's what tabs are for? I didn't know that.

Eisboch



Mostly, I used them to balance out passenger load, because the sort of
chop we have in the bay wasn't that noticeable in my barge of a 25'
fishing boat. It was a heavy 25 footer.

With the deeper vee and a more rearward seating position on my
21-footer, I have yet to use the tabs out on the bay. I have messed with
them a little while in the harbors, but for an entirely different reason.

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:05:36 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:00:02 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats that
was the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16 degree and the
Steigers with a 21 degree deadrise.
I think we know how that would turn out. Bring on another case of
shock absorbers.
The 16-degree Parkers do very well in the chop. Very sharp bow entry,
tabs, and you move right along at a decent clip.

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular. The
biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise 21 and 23
footers.
While the defense of your favorite boat line is admirable, dude - you
really have to think before you make a statement like that.

That just ain't true.

What part do you disagree with, Tom?

That the guys here with the 16-degree deadrise hulls use their sharp entry
bows and trim tabs to ride through the chop? That the boats are very
popular? That the biggest selling Parkers around here are the 21 and 23
footers with the 16-degree deadrise hulls?

Many of the best guides in the Bay, the entire Bay, are running the
23-foot Parkers with 16-degree deadrise bottoms.

My previous Parker had the 16 degree deadrise hull. If the chop got
noticeable, I just used the tabs to lower the bow and we kept on keeping
on, in conditions that would have had you bouncing right out of your
overwide Wrangler.

That's what tabs are for? I didn't know that.

Eisboch



It is a little know fact that trim tabs can be used to lower the bow.
Only the best and brightest of blue water fisherman know this.

My concern is what would happen to a LT Parker in 1 ft. chop, it would
end up being a new reef for fish.

HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:05:36 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:00:02 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

It still would be interesting to sea trial the two similar boats
that was the subject of this thread ... the Parker with a 16
degree and the Steigers with a 21 degree deadrise.
I think we know how that would turn out. Bring on another case of
shock absorbers.
The 16-degree Parkers do very well in the chop. Very sharp bow
entry, tabs, and you move right along at a decent clip.

It's too bad you don't know dick about small boat boating on places
where the 16-degree deadrise hulls are popular. Very, very popular.
The biggest selling Parkers hereabouts are the 16-degree deadrise
21 and 23 footers.
While the defense of your favorite boat line is admirable, dude - you
really have to think before you make a statement like that.

That just ain't true.

What part do you disagree with, Tom?

That the guys here with the 16-degree deadrise hulls use their sharp
entry bows and trim tabs to ride through the chop? That the boats are
very popular? That the biggest selling Parkers around here are the 21
and 23 footers with the 16-degree deadrise hulls?

Many of the best guides in the Bay, the entire Bay, are running the
23-foot Parkers with 16-degree deadrise bottoms.

My previous Parker had the 16 degree deadrise hull. If the chop got
noticeable, I just used the tabs to lower the bow and we kept on
keeping on, in conditions that would have had you bouncing right out
of your overwide Wrangler.

That's what tabs are for? I didn't know that.

Eisboch


Mostly, I used them to balance out passenger load, because the sort of
chop we have in the bay wasn't that noticeable in my barge of a 25'
fishing boat. It was a heavy 25 footer.

With the deeper vee and a more rearward seating position on my
21-footer, I have yet to use the tabs out on the bay. I have messed with
them a little while in the harbors, but for an entirely different reason.

Harry,
I would think Eisboch's comment was tongue in cheek.

On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 08:46:18 -0500, HK wrote:

With the deeper vee and a more rearward seating position on my
21-footer, I have yet to use the tabs out on the bay.

That's because you can't go out on the bay in winds over 10 to 12 kts.

On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:22:45 -0500, HK wrote:

If 16 degrees is so great, why does anyone build 23s?


Let's try answering the question this time instead of changing the
subject.