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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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wrote:
On Jan 5, 12:05 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:50:24 -0500, HK wrote:
We built dinghies that looked very much like yours, and rowboats that
were somewhat more stout.
How many did you actually build by yourself ?

I'm guessing zero.



In a word Harry, you know just about zip with regards to boat
building, and you have incredible gall denigrating the skills of
others. Get a life.
Well, probably a little off. In the 50's you could get a locally built
boat like a Brockway, say 16 to 20 feet for a few hundred dollars,
Dynamite Payson sold prams up in Maine for probably 50-75 dollars...

Of course, I was only born in 58 so I am taking it from the old salts
that I have run into over the years..

He's not even right about okoume. It is a relatively weak wood, and
subject to rot. It's use in kit boats came about because the world supply
of real mahogany, a stronger, more rot-resistant wood, got tight and the
resulting marine mahogany ply, became much too expensive and scarce for
boatbuilders. What's really sad is that many purveyors of okoume claim the
product they are selling is mahogany ply, but it ain't.

I'm pretty sure my dad spec'd 3/8" thick *mahogany* marine ply on the
small boats the shop turned out. He used cedar, too. No "sewn together"
boats, either. The boats the shop fiberglassed were built with different
"skins."

Here's a reference you might like...the Stur-Dee dory site. My father did
business with the founder and owner, Ernie Gavin, for at least 25 years.
If you look on the "history" page, you'll see a reference to 16-foot
dories Stur-Dee built and sold in the mid 1950s for $195:

http://www.stur-deeboat.com/history.htm


"The atmosphere at Stur-Dee speaks of the 1950s. In the once, there is no
computer, fax machine or push-button phone. Ernie Gavin believes a rotary
phone and the postal service are sufficient means of communicating.
Shelves are filled with dusty books on such subjects as history and
evolution – Gavin is a voracious reader. Logbooks with transactions dating
back to 1954 also can be found on the shelves.

"Gavin grabbed the 1964 edition, blew a thick layer of dust off it and
turned to a page filled with scribbled notes that only he could decipher.
One transaction, the sale of a 16-foot dory was for $195."


And, because it bears repeating, once again, the misinformation from
WhineB:

"No one in the 50s or 60s could afford to build a wooden boat bigger
than 7 ft for $200, even using the cheapest materials. Nowadays a
sheet of good Okume sells for $200, and fyi, Okume is about as good as
it gets for marine plywood. It is light, strong and highly rot
resistant. Many racing hydroplanes have been built from it, and other
lightweight high performance boats."

Have a nice day.


Up to 7 or 8 years ago a local guy out on the Bedford Highway advertised 8'
plywood prams for $245.00.



Wow! That's exciting!

Go wipe your son's ass now, Donnie.

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"HK" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Jan 5, 12:05 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:50:24 -0500, HK
wrote:
We built dinghies that looked very much like yours, and rowboats
that
were somewhat more stout.
How many did you actually build by yourself ?

I'm guessing zero.


In a word Harry, you know just about zip with regards to boat
building, and you have incredible gall denigrating the skills of
others. Get a life.
Well, probably a little off. In the 50's you could get a locally
built
boat like a Brockway, say 16 to 20 feet for a few hundred dollars,
Dynamite Payson sold prams up in Maine for probably 50-75 dollars...

Of course, I was only born in 58 so I am taking it from the old salts
that I have run into over the years..
He's not even right about okoume. It is a relatively weak wood, and
subject to rot. It's use in kit boats came about because the world
supply of real mahogany, a stronger, more rot-resistant wood, got
tight and the resulting marine mahogany ply, became much too expensive
and scarce for boatbuilders. What's really sad is that many purveyors
of okoume claim the product they are selling is mahogany ply, but it
ain't.

I'm pretty sure my dad spec'd 3/8" thick *mahogany* marine ply on the
small boats the shop turned out. He used cedar, too. No "sewn
together" boats, either. The boats the shop fiberglassed were built
with different "skins."

Here's a reference you might like...the Stur-Dee dory site. My father
did business with the founder and owner, Ernie Gavin, for at least 25
years. If you look on the "history" page, you'll see a reference to
16-foot dories Stur-Dee built and sold in the mid 1950s for $195:

http://www.stur-deeboat.com/history.htm


"The atmosphere at Stur-Dee speaks of the 1950s. In the once, there
is no computer, fax machine or push-button phone. Ernie Gavin believes
a rotary phone and the postal service are sufficient means of
communicating. Shelves are filled with dusty books on such subjects as
history and evolution – Gavin is a voracious reader. Logbooks with
transactions dating back to 1954 also can be found on the shelves.

"Gavin grabbed the 1964 edition, blew a thick layer of dust off it and
turned to a page filled with scribbled notes that only he could
decipher. One transaction, the sale of a 16-foot dory was for $195."


And, because it bears repeating, once again, the misinformation from
WhineB:

"No one in the 50s or 60s could afford to build a wooden boat bigger
than 7 ft for $200, even using the cheapest materials. Nowadays a
sheet of good Okume sells for $200, and fyi, Okume is about as good as
it gets for marine plywood. It is light, strong and highly rot
resistant. Many racing hydroplanes have been built from it, and other
lightweight high performance boats."

Have a nice day.

Up to 7 or 8 years ago a local guy out on the Bedford Highway
advertised 8' plywood prams for $245.00.



Yeah. Don't tell Wayne. He won't believe it, because it doesn't fit into
his mindset.

Can't be much of a boat. OR he is not charging for labor. A couple of
good sheets of plywood is going to get most of a $100 bill, and that may
not even be Marine grade.


You did notice Don said "7 or 8 years ago," right?

Did not notice. But plywood then cost 3 sheets for a boat buck. 5-6 years
ago, when I bought my Kayak, was 10 boat bucks. And less labor involved.

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Jan 5, 12:05 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:50:24 -0500, HK
wrote:
We built dinghies that looked very much like yours, and rowboats
that
were somewhat more stout.
How many did you actually build by yourself ?

I'm guessing zero.



In a word Harry, you know just about zip with regards to boat
building, and you have incredible gall denigrating the skills of
others. Get a life.
Well, probably a little off. In the 50's you could get a locally built
boat like a Brockway, say 16 to 20 feet for a few hundred dollars,
Dynamite Payson sold prams up in Maine for probably 50-75 dollars...

Of course, I was only born in 58 so I am taking it from the old salts
that I have run into over the years..

He's not even right about okoume. It is a relatively weak wood, and
subject to rot. It's use in kit boats came about because the world
supply of real mahogany, a stronger, more rot-resistant wood, got tight
and the resulting marine mahogany ply, became much too expensive and
scarce for boatbuilders. What's really sad is that many purveyors of
okoume claim the product they are selling is mahogany ply, but it
ain't.

I'm pretty sure my dad spec'd 3/8" thick *mahogany* marine ply on the
small boats the shop turned out. He used cedar, too. No "sewn together"
boats, either. The boats the shop fiberglassed were built with
different "skins."

Here's a reference you might like...the Stur-Dee dory site. My father
did business with the founder and owner, Ernie Gavin, for at least 25
years. If you look on the "history" page, you'll see a reference to
16-foot dories Stur-Dee built and sold in the mid 1950s for $195:

http://www.stur-deeboat.com/history.htm


"The atmosphere at Stur-Dee speaks of the 1950s. In the once, there is
no computer, fax machine or push-button phone. Ernie Gavin believes a
rotary phone and the postal service are sufficient means of
communicating. Shelves are filled with dusty books on such subjects as
history and evolution - Gavin is a voracious reader. Logbooks with
transactions dating back to 1954 also can be found on the shelves.

"Gavin grabbed the 1964 edition, blew a thick layer of dust off it and
turned to a page filled with scribbled notes that only he could
decipher. One transaction, the sale of a 16-foot dory was for $195."


And, because it bears repeating, once again, the misinformation from
WhineB:

"No one in the 50s or 60s could afford to build a wooden boat bigger
than 7 ft for $200, even using the cheapest materials. Nowadays a
sheet of good Okume sells for $200, and fyi, Okume is about as good as
it gets for marine plywood. It is light, strong and highly rot
resistant. Many racing hydroplanes have been built from it, and other
lightweight high performance boats."

Have a nice day.


Up to 7 or 8 years ago a local guy out on the Bedford Highway
advertised 8' plywood prams for $245.00.




Yeah. Don't tell Wayne. He won't believe it, because it doesn't fit into
his mindset.

Can't be much of a boat. OR he is not charging for labor. A couple of
good sheets of plywood is going to get most of a $100 bill, and that may
not even be Marine grade.

I'd guess 3/8" spruce exterior good one side. At that time less than
$20.00 per 4' x 8' sheet up here.

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"Dan" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Jan 5, 12:05 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:50:24 -0500, HK wrote:
We built dinghies that looked very much like yours, and rowboats that
were somewhat more stout.
How many did you actually build by yourself ?

I'm guessing zero.



In a word Harry, you know just about zip with regards to boat
building, and you have incredible gall denigrating the skills of
others. Get a life.
Well, probably a little off. In the 50's you could get a locally built
boat like a Brockway, say 16 to 20 feet for a few hundred dollars,
Dynamite Payson sold prams up in Maine for probably 50-75 dollars...

Of course, I was only born in 58 so I am taking it from the old salts
that I have run into over the years..

He's not even right about okoume. It is a relatively weak wood, and
subject to rot. It's use in kit boats came about because the world
supply of real mahogany, a stronger, more rot-resistant wood, got tight
and the resulting marine mahogany ply, became much too expensive and
scarce for boatbuilders. What's really sad is that many purveyors of
okoume claim the product they are selling is mahogany ply, but it ain't.

I'm pretty sure my dad spec'd 3/8" thick *mahogany* marine ply on the
small boats the shop turned out. He used cedar, too. No "sewn together"
boats, either. The boats the shop fiberglassed were built with different
"skins."

Here's a reference you might like...the Stur-Dee dory site. My father
did business with the founder and owner, Ernie Gavin, for at least 25
years. If you look on the "history" page, you'll see a reference to
16-foot dories Stur-Dee built and sold in the mid 1950s for $195:

http://www.stur-deeboat.com/history.htm


"The atmosphere at Stur-Dee speaks of the 1950s. In the once, there is
no computer, fax machine or push-button phone. Ernie Gavin believes a
rotary phone and the postal service are sufficient means of
communicating. Shelves are filled with dusty books on such subjects as
history and evolution – Gavin is a voracious reader. Logbooks with
transactions dating back to 1954 also can be found on the shelves.

"Gavin grabbed the 1964 edition, blew a thick layer of dust off it and
turned to a page filled with scribbled notes that only he could
decipher. One transaction, the sale of a 16-foot dory was for $195."


And, because it bears repeating, once again, the misinformation from
WhineB:

"No one in the 50s or 60s could afford to build a wooden boat bigger
than 7 ft for $200, even using the cheapest materials. Nowadays a
sheet of good Okume sells for $200, and fyi, Okume is about as good as
it gets for marine plywood. It is light, strong and highly rot
resistant. Many racing hydroplanes have been built from it, and other
lightweight high performance boats."

Have a nice day.


Up to 7 or 8 years ago a local guy out on the Bedford Highway advertised
8' plywood prams for $245.00.



Wow! That's exciting!

Go wipe your son's ass now, Donnie.


Not another one infatuated with male buttocks! You guys keep crawling up
from the baseboards.
Where's that Orkin man when you need him?

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Don White wrote:
"Dan" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Jan 5, 12:05 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:50:24 -0500, HK wrote:
We built dinghies that looked very much like yours, and rowboats that
were somewhat more stout.
How many did you actually build by yourself ?

I'm guessing zero.


In a word Harry, you know just about zip with regards to boat
building, and you have incredible gall denigrating the skills of
others. Get a life.
Well, probably a little off. In the 50's you could get a locally built
boat like a Brockway, say 16 to 20 feet for a few hundred dollars,
Dynamite Payson sold prams up in Maine for probably 50-75 dollars...

Of course, I was only born in 58 so I am taking it from the old salts
that I have run into over the years..
He's not even right about okoume. It is a relatively weak wood, and
subject to rot. It's use in kit boats came about because the world
supply of real mahogany, a stronger, more rot-resistant wood, got tight
and the resulting marine mahogany ply, became much too expensive and
scarce for boatbuilders. What's really sad is that many purveyors of
okoume claim the product they are selling is mahogany ply, but it ain't.

I'm pretty sure my dad spec'd 3/8" thick *mahogany* marine ply on the
small boats the shop turned out. He used cedar, too. No "sewn together"
boats, either. The boats the shop fiberglassed were built with different
"skins."

Here's a reference you might like...the Stur-Dee dory site. My father
did business with the founder and owner, Ernie Gavin, for at least 25
years. If you look on the "history" page, you'll see a reference to
16-foot dories Stur-Dee built and sold in the mid 1950s for $195:

http://www.stur-deeboat.com/history.htm


"The atmosphere at Stur-Dee speaks of the 1950s. In the once, there is
no computer, fax machine or push-button phone. Ernie Gavin believes a
rotary phone and the postal service are sufficient means of
communicating. Shelves are filled with dusty books on such subjects as
history and evolution – Gavin is a voracious reader. Logbooks with
transactions dating back to 1954 also can be found on the shelves.

"Gavin grabbed the 1964 edition, blew a thick layer of dust off it and
turned to a page filled with scribbled notes that only he could
decipher. One transaction, the sale of a 16-foot dory was for $195."


And, because it bears repeating, once again, the misinformation from
WhineB:

"No one in the 50s or 60s could afford to build a wooden boat bigger
than 7 ft for $200, even using the cheapest materials. Nowadays a
sheet of good Okume sells for $200, and fyi, Okume is about as good as
it gets for marine plywood. It is light, strong and highly rot
resistant. Many racing hydroplanes have been built from it, and other
lightweight high performance boats."

Have a nice day.

Up to 7 or 8 years ago a local guy out on the Bedford Highway advertised
8' plywood prams for $245.00.


Wow! That's exciting!

Go wipe your son's ass now, Donnie.


Not another one infatuated with male buttocks! You guys keep crawling up
from the baseboards.
Where's that Orkin man when you need him?



He's busy at work on your wife's pant drawer.

See, Donnie, I can be as childish as you!

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"Dan" wrote in message
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He's busy at work on your wife's pant drawer.

See, Donnie, I can be as childish as you!

What a piece of **** you are. Now you've brought 2 of my family members
into this.
Didn't you get your knuckles rapped a while back for this same behaviour by
some of the more moderate members ?

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Don White wrote:
"Dan" wrote in message
...
He's busy at work on your wife's pant drawer.

See, Donnie, I can be as childish as you!

What a piece of **** you are. Now you've brought 2 of my family members
into this.
Didn't you get your knuckles rapped a while back for this same behaviour by
some of the more moderate members ?




Dan plays the same ID game as Reggieturdo:

om
m

As does Herringturdo:





And "Jim":






A$$hats, all of them, but not smart enough to bust through
real filters. :}









--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

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HK wrote:
Don White wrote:
"Dan" wrote in message
...
He's busy at work on your wife's pant drawer.

See, Donnie, I can be as childish as you!

What a piece of **** you are. Now you've brought 2 of my family
members into this.
Didn't you get your knuckles rapped a while back for this same
behaviour by some of the more moderate members ?



Dan plays the same ID game as Reggieturdo:

om
m

As does Herringturdo:





And "Jim":






A$$hats, all of them, but not smart enough to bust through
real filters. :}

Harry, what is so hard about filtering my ID - Reginald P. Smithers
III, you seem to make this way to hard on yourself.

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On Jan 7, 8:12*am, "Don White" wrote:
"Dan" wrote in message

...



He's busy at work on your wife's pant drawer.

See, Donnie, I can be as childish as you!

What a piece of **** you are. *Now you've brought 2 of my family members
into this.
Didn't you get your knuckles rapped a while back for this same behaviour by
some of the more moderate members ?

He's the lowest of the low lifes here. He's trying to beat JimH's
record for saying nasty, untrue things about people's loved ones.
That's why he's rec.boat's **** boy.
His knuckes can take a good rapping, after all, they've always been
dragging on the ground!

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On Jan 5, 2:47*pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 5, 12:01 am, "Mike" wrote:
Harry, you're so full of ****, your parker is stained brown. Scott makes
boats with his own two hands... that is awesome. I'm a carpenter. I can
build a house, right down to the cabinets... I cannot build a boat. I know
1st hand the skill it takes to do what he does, and I can assure you he's
waaay out of your league.

You can say what you want about what he builds, but it does not detract from
the fact, that he can do it, and you cannot. Anyone with a few $$ can go buy
a boat... few can build one.

No one here is buying your line of crap, so why don't you just go away.

--Mike

P.S. Do you have friends in your real life? You sure don't seem to have many
here...

"HK" wrote in message

m...

wrote:
On Jan 4, 8:32 am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 4, 8:28 am, wrote:
On Jan 3, 5:55 pm, "JimH" wrote:
wrote in message
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On Jan 3, 3:17 pm, wrote:
I'm going to ride up and take a look at this, the guy seemed like
he'd
deal, and it's been on the list for quite awhile. Anybody ever owned
one of these motors, or know about them? How about the boat itself?
I'd take that hot foot off, I don't like them, and I think the empty
cigarette packs are throw in for free!
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/boa/526435056.html
Looks like a girls boat...
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Black with pretty little white speckles........probably glittery too.
The
engine cover has started to morph to the same.
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And yet, your the one looking at the Viagra sled....
Have you actually ever built a boat large enough to take a couple of big
guys out fishing on a body of water on which there might be waves?
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Yaimkool.com
Have you ever wet a hull of your own hand.. Of did daddy just give it
to you along with whatever else he gave you to make you so mad and
insecure.??
My father was in the boat business. I had boats. If he were a shoemaker, I
would have had lots of shoes. Just think...if your daddy was a brain
surgeon, you would have had...a brain.
Yeah, I built dinghies that looked like some of yours. I worked at the
boat store, boatyard and marina many Saturdays and Sundays from age nine
on, and many summers, too. I was the "designated detailer" for a few
years, and then I moved on up to simple carpentry repairs on wood boats,
and refinishing of mahogany decks, seats and gunnels. During the winter, I
also helped out in the boatshop, building dinghies and skiffs.
I've seen boats like the ones on your web page being built as part of
classes at the two local marine museums here, over the course of a
weekend, by father-son/father-daughter teams.
If you are really a beginner with hand tools, you can take one of these
classes. Makes a good day date:
Build a Boat in a Day
Class fee: $300.00 ($275.00 FOM) per team.
Each adult and child team uses the stitch-and-glue technique to assemble a
prepared kit for a small flat-bottomed plywood boat suitable for rowing or
paddling. The boat is 7' 10" long, 32" wide, and weighs about 40 pounds.
By the end of the class each boat will be completed to a watertight
condition and clear-coated with epoxy. Detail finishing and painting is
the responsibility of team members and may not be undertaken in the
Watercraft Center. Teams are limited to a maximum of 4 persons, at least
one of whom must be an adult. The minimum age limit for this class only is
8 years. (6 hours).
*Or for those who can tell a saw from a pliers:
One-Week Boatbuilding Class
Class fee: $1,400.00 ($1,350.00 FOM)
Each student builds a traditional flat-bottomed skiff or a small
round-bottomed boat over a one-week period. Class participants will build
their own flat-bottomed skiff or small round-bottomed boat, either carvel
or lapstrake planked, up to 15 feet in length, with an expert's guidance.
Students must discuss the boat they wish to build with the instructor
before the class begins and receive his approval. They take home their
boats, which will be ready for primer, at the end of the class. The class
price includes the cost of all materials. Tools are supplied, but
participants are encouraged to bring their own battery-operated drills
(including charger) and palm or orbital sanders. (64 hours)
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And quite frankly, his post about building dinghys and such in his
dad's shops does not square with the impressions he has given in the
past. I tend to doubt he has ever built a boat.... But that is just my
opinion based on things he has said that would somewhat exclude him
for a group of folks who I think understand construction and
implementation of the tool... *beyond what he has read. I also suspect
he was typical dock rat, hanging around his dad's marina hoping to
pick up some of the leftovers from the boarders...;) Anyone remember
those little assh**es?

I hate to tell you this, but Harry has done everything. *Not only that
but he has done it bigger and better than anyone. *Did he ever tell you
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Was that in his fishing boat? After all, he's stated here many, many
times lately that he only boats to get to fish.