"John H." wrote in message
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Quote of the day: "I did get to use that condom when I was 13, and several
more that
summer, thanks to a "fast" 14 year old young lady..." (Harry Krause,
bragging again!)

John H

"Bragging" implys that he's telling the truth.

wrote:
On Jan 2, 8:36 pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:08:03 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
I think it's time for some new thinkers, who have knowledge and respect
for
the culture of the company to take over and set some new directions.
Yep.
However, remember Not Invented Here Syndrome.
Speaking of which, you ought to hear my verison of the Marine Corps
Hymn on my new toy.
If I can figure out how to get it to the computer, I'll send it to
you.
It's a riot. Music plus 'Splosions, gun fire and ooorahs!
Next up - Anchors Aweigh - with drowning sounds.
I got envious of Mrs.E's "system" (which I bought, set up and
optimized), so today I set out on a mission and found another SACD player
for "my" setup.
Sorry, JimH. I have same recording of Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture
http://www.amazon.com/Tchaikovsky-Ov...nnati-Multicha...
three formats, SACD, DVD-A and conventional CD.There's no comparison.
SACD rules!Eisboch
I think it's time for a new keyboard or something for this computer. It
doesn't accept all the keys I hit unless I really punch down on them.
I've tried turning it upside down and vacuuming the keys (which seems to
help) but, unless I really take my time and punch every key with
authority, it seems to ignore half the inputs.
Eisboch
More power to you. My research shows otherwise.

Please show this research, I'll bet there are others besides me that
would love to see it. Include the data you've compiled, please.


From my limited reading, it seems that SACD has a "warmer" "smoother"
tone than DVD-A, but to me the reason SACD might become "THE" format is
it's ability to be played on by both SACD player and conventional CD
player. You can listen to it in your home SACD player and car
conventional CD player, and probably the most important feature is the
retailer will not have to double his inventory to provide HD audio.

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 04:33:15 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..

Eisboch wrote:
I think it's time for a new keyboard or something for this computer. It
doesn't accept all the keys I hit unless I really punch down on them.
I've tried turning it upside down and vacuuming the keys (which seems to
help) but, unless I really take my time and punch every key with
authority, it seems to ignore half the inputs.
Stop using it as a crumb catcher.


That's probably it. I've been doing some minor construction in the general
area that the computer sits in and I haven't always taken precautions to
cover it or even close the display (it's a laptop). It probably is loaded
with sawdust and drywall dust.

Eisboch


Hey! We're talking nineteen bucks! Go get a new one. Hell, buy two or three
so you don't have to waste gas next time!

http://tinyurl.com/27hd3j

I'm a proud owner of this one, which costs a little more, but works well.

http://tinyurl.com/2h6hjw
--
Quote of the day: "I did get to use that condom when I was 13, and several more that
summer, thanks to a "fast" 14 year old young lady..." (Harry Krause, bragging again!)

John H

The ONLY keyboard I will use now is the ergonimic/natural keyboard.
They really do make a world of difference when typing a long report.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=4861577

or

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=5238395

Once you try ergonomic, you will never go back, especially if it is black.

Jim wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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Quote of the day: "I did get to use that condom when I was 13, and
several more that
summer, thanks to a "fast" 14 year old young lady..." (Harry Krause,
bragging again!)

John H

"Bragging" implys that he's telling the truth.

We are talking about Lobster boy here, but JohnH would be more accurate
if he said "fabricating again".

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On Jan 2, 8:36 pm, "JimH" wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message

Sorry, JimH. I have same recording of Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture

http://www.amazon.com/Tchaikovsky-Ov...nnati-Multicha...
three formats, SACD, DVD-A and conventional CD.There's no comparison.
SACD rules!Eisboch


More power to you. My research shows otherwise.


Please show this research, I'll bet there are others besides me that
would love to see it. Include the data you've compiled, please.


JimH provided some links to tests performed on the various formats that
suggest SACD as being inferior.
If so inclined, one could Google up tests indicating otherwise, but it
doesn't matter. Sterile laboratory tests of frequency response, modulation
percentages, sampling rates, etc. of small, little snippets of a recording
on a computer are interesting, but don't reflect a whole bunch of other
immeasurable aspects of the content.

Since the early days of "Hi-Fi", recordings have been modified and biased to
correct for deficiencies in the media, vinyl, tape and optical disks and
standards developed. Then you have to take into account the quality of
the home equipment used to play the recordings and the acoustics of the
room. Heck, even symphony halls, like Boston's have acoustic panels
installed to correct for standing waves that alter the original, live sounds
of the orchestra instruments.

I am not an audiophile by any means and the equipment I have is not top
shelf, "high end" stuff. I'd say it's better than the average home music
systems though. Despite the computer snippet analysis of the waveforms in
the laboratory tests, SACD sounds best on my systems, followed by DVD-A,
and then CD. That opinion is not just mine. I've done my own version of
"blind tests" on cooperative subjects that enjoy music and they all, without
exception, share my conclusion, picking the SACD recordings over DVD-A and
certainly CD. There's no way even the best of the CDs I have (probably a
couple of the non-SACD Telarc Samplers) comes close to a well recorded and
mixed SACD.

It also takes some time to properly setup and adjust a total music system,
but it's well worth the effort. For example, with some peaking, tweaking
and experimentation, the subwoofer ends up producing nice, clear, tight bass
rather than the thumps you often hear in the stores. If using a surround
sound system playing Dolby, DTS or THX encoded data, things like the audio
delay settings are critical, depending on room size. When I get a new amp
I don't even bother unpacking the microphone that usually comes with them
for "Automatic" setup adjustments to compensate for room acoustics.
Instead, I spend hours playing with the system, making adjustments until it
sounds "right".

I just wish more variety and selections were available on SACD media.
Unfortunately it probably won't happen because of the influence and
convenience of mp3's played on iPod docking stations and ear "pods". It's
too bad.

Eisboch

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"HK" wrote in message
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D-unit wrote:
Small offset printing Gene.

We make IR dryers/Powder Spray attachments
for the 11x17 market (and a few larger ones)

AB Dick, ATF Davidson, Multigraphics, Heidelberg, etc...

We have a machine shop and make all our own parts (I think
Im going to miss having access to that the most. It came in
quite handy back during the Maco refurb days. I could walk
in with a mini-project back in those days and 3 guys would
fight over who was going to get to work on it.)



Don




"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:28:13 -0500, D-unit penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|I've worked for the same
|company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and
|watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early
|90's.

Doing what? Rotogravure? Blanking? Steel Rule Dies/Embossing?

Been there done that.... it sucks....

--

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I've love to have a nice 11x17 offset press. It's the workhorse of all
manner of campaigns!

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

Hell,

AB Dick 360's are practically free these days.
Supplies aren't however.

db

My brother was president of AB Dick in the early 90's.



Those were the days my friend. AB Dick was manufacturing 28
9800 series presses a day, and our equipment installed
on about 1/2 of those. I visited the factory on Touhy Ave. many
times back in those days. That building was massive.
(never met the prez. though, just the marketing/tech guys)
Fun times indeed.

They have since been bought out by "Presstech".


db

On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:18:51 -0500, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com
wrote:


"D.Duck" wrote in message ...

"D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
news D-unit wrote:
Small offset printing Gene.

We make IR dryers/Powder Spray attachments
for the 11x17 market (and a few larger ones)

AB Dick, ATF Davidson, Multigraphics, Heidelberg, etc...

We have a machine shop and make all our own parts (I think
Im going to miss having access to that the most. It came in
quite handy back during the Maco refurb days. I could walk
in with a mini-project back in those days and 3 guys would
fight over who was going to get to work on it.)



Don




"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:28:13 -0500, D-unit penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|I've worked for the same
|company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and
|watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early
|90's.

Doing what? Rotogravure? Blanking? Steel Rule Dies/Embossing?

Been there done that.... it sucks....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats
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I've love to have a nice 11x17 offset press. It's the workhorse of all
manner of campaigns!

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

Hell,

AB Dick 360's are practically free these days.
Supplies aren't however.

db

My brother was president of AB Dick in the early 90's.



Those were the days my friend. AB Dick was manufacturing 28
9800 series presses a day, and our equipment installed
on about 1/2 of those. I visited the factory on Touhy Ave. many
times back in those days. That building was massive.
(never met the prez. though, just the marketing/tech guys)
Fun times indeed.

They have since been bought out by "Presstech".

My ma was a linotype operator in Chicago, finishing out with Black
Dot. Set the type for Playboy for years, and remarked about how
many revisions they did to "Letters to the Editor."
That's my only connection to printing.

--Vic

"D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message
...

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...

"D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
news D-unit wrote:
Small offset printing Gene.

We make IR dryers/Powder Spray attachments
for the 11x17 market (and a few larger ones)

AB Dick, ATF Davidson, Multigraphics, Heidelberg, etc...

We have a machine shop and make all our own parts (I think
Im going to miss having access to that the most. It came in
quite handy back during the Maco refurb days. I could walk
in with a mini-project back in those days and 3 guys would
fight over who was going to get to work on it.)



Don




"Gene Kearns" wrote in
message
...
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:28:13 -0500, D-unit penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|I've worked for the same
|company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and
|watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early
|90's.

Doing what? Rotogravure? Blanking? Steel Rule Dies/Embossing?

Been there done that.... it sucks....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats
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I've love to have a nice 11x17 offset press. It's the workhorse of all
manner of campaigns!

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

Hell,

AB Dick 360's are practically free these days.
Supplies aren't however.

db

My brother was president of AB Dick in the early 90's.



Those were the days my friend. AB Dick was manufacturing 28
9800 series presses a day, and our equipment installed
on about 1/2 of those. I visited the factory on Touhy Ave. many
times back in those days. That building was massive.
(never met the prez. though, just the marketing/tech guys)
Fun times indeed.

They have since been bought out by "Presstech".


db

Yep, my brother said when British GE, I think that was the name, bought ABD,
the hand writing was on the wall.

As a point of interest, my brother and I grew up about 5 miles west of ABD
and two blocks south of Touhy. I, not he, hunted rabbits in the '50s on the
land where ABD now stands.

I started my career with AT&T across the street from ABD at what in the 60s
was Teletype Corp. We moved out of that building in '89 and moved to
Naperville. Then in '92 I transferred down here to Florida and retired in
'94. Haven't been back in the winter since!

Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
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On Jan 2, 8:36 pm, "JimH" wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message

Sorry, JimH. I have same recording of Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture
http://www.amazon.com/Tchaikovsky-Ov...nnati-Multicha...
three formats, SACD, DVD-A and conventional CD.There's no comparison.
SACD rules!Eisboch

More power to you. My research shows otherwise.


Please show this research, I'll bet there are others besides me that
would love to see it. Include the data you've compiled, please.


JimH provided some links to tests performed on the various formats that
suggest SACD as being inferior.
If so inclined, one could Google up tests indicating otherwise, but it
doesn't matter. Sterile laboratory tests of frequency response, modulation
percentages, sampling rates, etc. of small, little snippets of a recording
on a computer are interesting, but don't reflect a whole bunch of other
immeasurable aspects of the content.

Since the early days of "Hi-Fi", recordings have been modified and biased to
correct for deficiencies in the media, vinyl, tape and optical disks and
standards developed. Then you have to take into account the quality of
the home equipment used to play the recordings and the acoustics of the
room. Heck, even symphony halls, like Boston's have acoustic panels
installed to correct for standing waves that alter the original, live sounds
of the orchestra instruments.

I am not an audiophile by any means and the equipment I have is not top
shelf, "high end" stuff. I'd say it's better than the average home music
systems though. Despite the computer snippet analysis of the waveforms in
the laboratory tests, SACD sounds best on my systems, followed by DVD-A,
and then CD. That opinion is not just mine. I've done my own version of
"blind tests" on cooperative subjects that enjoy music and they all, without
exception, share my conclusion, picking the SACD recordings over DVD-A and
certainly CD. There's no way even the best of the CDs I have (probably a
couple of the non-SACD Telarc Samplers) comes close to a well recorded and
mixed SACD.

It also takes some time to properly setup and adjust a total music system,
but it's well worth the effort. For example, with some peaking, tweaking
and experimentation, the subwoofer ends up producing nice, clear, tight bass
rather than the thumps you often hear in the stores. If using a surround
sound system playing Dolby, DTS or THX encoded data, things like the audio
delay settings are critical, depending on room size. When I get a new amp
I don't even bother unpacking the microphone that usually comes with them
for "Automatic" setup adjustments to compensate for room acoustics.
Instead, I spend hours playing with the system, making adjustments until it
sounds "right".

I just wish more variety and selections were available on SACD media.
Unfortunately it probably won't happen because of the influence and
convenience of mp3's played on iPod docking stations and ear "pods". It's
too bad.

Eisboch




I only care whether the sound I hear for the music I like sounds close
at home to the way it sounds in a concert hall.


--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:48:57 -0500, WaIIy penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


|That's total baloney.
|
|You obviously know nothing about the printing industry.
|
|Look at "little" companies like RR Donnelley and Quebecor, to
|name just two.
|
|Consolidation has been happening in the printing business for years.

First, I'd like to observe your post as a lame-ass troll.... but, I'll
calmly respond. That seems important to some....

RR Donnelley.... what can I say? This is straight from their web site:
"We provide integrated onsite-offshore Business Process Outsourcing
services to Fortune 500 companies and to professional services firms
through our operations in North America, Europe, India, Sri Lanka and
the Philippines. Our judgment-based outsourcing solutions address a
variety of needs for vertical segments that include financial
services, publishing, manufacturing, transportation,
telecommunications, healthcare, advertising, investment banking and
more."
http://www.rrdonnelley.com/wwwRRD1/S...fficeTiger.asp

A rose by any other name???? What does "offshore" mean to you?

Quebecor? What has that got to do with anything? Their "global
presence" doesn't even include a location in the US. They don't even
make a pretext of being "ONshore!"

Your posting address shows West Monroe, LA. I used to call frequently
on a printing outfit there - Manville. If you are anywhere near there,
you must know the story of Manville = Riverwood = Riverwood Holding
(which is now "...a global packaging company..." ).


As I calmly noted, a lame-ass troll devoid of any truth.... but you
knew that.

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
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