On Jan 2, 5:35�am, HK wrote:


Our local sheriff and county prosecutors are not very interested in
going after residents who use lethal force to ward off criminals who
attempt latenight break-ins or home invasions.

Maybe not, but the crooks like to know just where to look to find an
arsenal just waiting to be scooped up.

Statistically, you are probably safer with no gun at all than with a
gun to fend off the "boogie man". Add up all the cases where a
homeowner
successfully frightens away or kills an intruder, then subtract the
number of cases where a PO'd family member picks up the gun and kills
husband, wife, son, daughter, etc. Then subtract the number of
"accidental" gun deaths (kids or grandkids knowing just where to look
for the gun and wating until the first opportunity to screw around
with it). Then subtract the substantial number of cases where people
are shot with their own weapons, either because the thief happened
across the gun a few minutes before the homeowners came in and
surprised him or her, or the victims woke up to find some junked up
crook has won the race to the nightstand. The results are probably not
stacked in favor of keeping a handgun in the bedroom. Keeping the
handgun in a safe, with or without a trigger lock, sort of defeats
the
idea of "quick! shoot the bad guy!" for which most people buy a
handgun in the first place.

In most states there is a huge difference in the sentences handed down
for burglary depending upon whether the crook is armed. In fact, it
can become a different class of crime "armed robbery". Few burglars
enter a dwelling intending to harm the occupants- most will plan the
crime for a time when nobody is home. That accounts for the surprising
number of cases where a homeowner is shot with his or her own weapon-
the burglar entered the home unarmed. In the rare case where somebody
actually plans to murder you, the crime is also likely to be planned
with a minimum of confrontation or opportunity to defend yourself.

Do you live in a "three-strikes" state? If so, you actually are at
greater risk than before. (gun or no) Crooks with two prior felony
convictions are more likely to kill any potential witnesses. They know
that if they get busted for robbing the liquor store or breaking in to
steal your stereo they're going to prison for the rest of their
lives......same basic punishment as for murder so might as well clean
up the loose ends. Depressing, ain't it? :-(

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jan 2, 5:35�am, HK wrote:

Our local sheriff and county prosecutors are not very interested in
going after residents who use lethal force to ward off criminals who
attempt latenight break-ins or home invasions.



Maybe not, but the crooks like to know just where to look to find an
arsenal just waiting to be scooped up.

Statistically, you are probably safer with no gun at all than with a
gun to fend off the "boogie man". Add up all the cases where a
homeowner
successfully frightens away or kills an intruder, then subtract the
number of cases where a PO'd family member picks up the gun and kills
husband, wife, son, daughter, etc. Then subtract the number of
"accidental" gun deaths (kids or grandkids knowing just where to look
for the gun and wating until the first opportunity to screw around
with it). Then subtract the substantial number of cases where people
are shot with their own weapons, either because the thief happened
across the gun a few minutes before the homeowners came in and
surprised him or her, or the victims woke up to find some junked up
crook has won the race to the nightstand. The results are probably not
stacked in favor of keeping a handgun in the bedroom. Keeping the
handgun in a safe, with or without a trigger lock, sort of defeats
the
idea of "quick! shoot the bad guy!" for which most people buy a
handgun in the first place.


1. I live in a mostly rural county. Virtually everyone in this county
has firearms. Thus, any burglars engaged in housebreaking already know
there are firearms inside their target houses.

2. If someone breaks into my house late at night, I'd rather have the
opportunity to shoot him before he shoots me. For some burglars, just
the sight of being faced down by a 12-gauge shotgun is enough to make
them exit in a hurry.

3. If there are small children about, the firearms and ammo are locked
up in a safe. The only teen-aged relative that visits is a Southern boy
who hunts.

4. I don't keep firearms in the nightstand, but the handguns are handy.

5. Breaking into my house requires making a "lot" of noise. There's no
way to get in without doing so, either by busting in a door or a window
and then setting off a series of alarms and turning on indoor and
outdoor lights and security cameras.






--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

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On Jan 2, 8:00 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 07:47:06 -0500, HK wrote:
wrote:

Well, although I assume like most things, the handgun is just another
lobsta' boat, seems you have met my challenge...

Tell you what...you attempt to break into my house some night and I'll
post the resulting "news item" here.

Heh...

Is that a challenge?

~~ snerk ~~

I am getting this picture kind of like a Mel Brooks character sitting
there dressed like a german dictator, listening to Motzart, waving a
pistol gently to the music, inadvertantly pulling the trigger every
once in a while, down goes the loud parrot, out goes the photo of
mother in law... I am having a good little laugh here, wish you could
all see it...

Imagine what he might be thinking about doing with those matched dueling
pistols he is waiting for. Does the Virginia required waiting period apply
to concealed carry permit holders? I'm pretty sure Harry claims to have one.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
...
On Jan 2, 5:35�am, HK wrote:


Our local sheriff and county prosecutors are not very interested in
going after residents who use lethal force to ward off criminals who
attempt latenight break-ins or home invasions.

Maybe not, but the crooks like to know just where to look to find an
arsenal just waiting to be scooped up.

Statistically, you are probably safer with no gun at all than with a
gun to fend off the "boogie man". Add up all the cases where a
homeowner
successfully frightens away or kills an intruder, then subtract the
number of cases where a PO'd family member picks up the gun and kills
husband, wife, son, daughter, etc. Then subtract the number of
"accidental" gun deaths (kids or grandkids knowing just where to look
for the gun and wating until the first opportunity to screw around
with it). Then subtract the substantial number of cases where people
are shot with their own weapons, either because the thief happened
across the gun a few minutes before the homeowners came in and
surprised him or her, or the victims woke up to find some junked up
crook has won the race to the nightstand. The results are probably not
stacked in favor of keeping a handgun in the bedroom. Keeping the
handgun in a safe, with or without a trigger lock, sort of defeats
the
idea of "quick! shoot the bad guy!" for which most people buy a
handgun in the first place.

In most states there is a huge difference in the sentences handed down
for burglary depending upon whether the crook is armed. In fact, it
can become a different class of crime "armed robbery". Few burglars
enter a dwelling intending to harm the occupants- most will plan the
crime for a time when nobody is home. That accounts for the surprising
number of cases where a homeowner is shot with his or her own weapon-
the burglar entered the home unarmed. In the rare case where somebody
actually plans to murder you, the crime is also likely to be planned
with a minimum of confrontation or opportunity to defend yourself.

Do you live in a "three-strikes" state? If so, you actually are at
greater risk than before. (gun or no) Crooks with two prior felony
convictions are more likely to kill any potential witnesses. They know
that if they get busted for robbing the liquor store or breaking in to
steal your stereo they're going to prison for the rest of their
lives......same basic punishment as for murder so might as well clean
up the loose ends. Depressing, ain't it? :-(

Funny how Harry the flag burning pacifist has turned into a gun totin tough
angry Rambo type.
I hope he has at least gotten some training in the care and responsible use
of firearms.

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:02:53 -0500, "Jim" wrote:


wrote in message
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On Jan 2, 8:00 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 07:47:06 -0500, HK wrote:
wrote:

Well, although I assume like most things, the handgun is just another
lobsta' boat, seems you have met my challenge...

Tell you what...you attempt to break into my house some night and I'll
post the resulting "news item" here.

Heh...

Is that a challenge?

~~ snerk ~~

I am getting this picture kind of like a Mel Brooks character sitting
there dressed like a german dictator, listening to Motzart, waving a
pistol gently to the music, inadvertantly pulling the trigger every
once in a while, down goes the loud parrot, out goes the photo of
mother in law... I am having a good little laugh here, wish you could
all see it...

Imagine what he might be thinking about doing with those matched dueling
pistols he is waiting for. Does the Virginia required waiting period apply
to concealed carry permit holders? I'm pretty sure Harry claims to have one.

He's not in Virginia, I hope.
--

JohnH

"Opa of 6"

HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jan 2, 5:35�am, HK wrote:

Our local sheriff and county prosecutors are not very interested in
going after residents who use lethal force to ward off criminals who
attempt latenight break-ins or home invasions.



Maybe not, but the crooks like to know just where to look to find an
arsenal just waiting to be scooped up.

Statistically, you are probably safer with no gun at all than with a
gun to fend off the "boogie man". Add up all the cases where a
homeowner
successfully frightens away or kills an intruder, then subtract the
number of cases where a PO'd family member picks up the gun and kills
husband, wife, son, daughter, etc. Then subtract the number of
"accidental" gun deaths (kids or grandkids knowing just where to look
for the gun and wating until the first opportunity to screw around
with it). Then subtract the substantial number of cases where people
are shot with their own weapons, either because the thief happened
across the gun a few minutes before the homeowners came in and
surprised him or her, or the victims woke up to find some junked up
crook has won the race to the nightstand. The results are probably not
stacked in favor of keeping a handgun in the bedroom. Keeping the
handgun in a safe, with or without a trigger lock, sort of defeats
the
idea of "quick! shoot the bad guy!" for which most people buy a
handgun in the first place.


1. I live in a mostly rural county. Virtually everyone in this county
has firearms. Thus, any burglars engaged in housebreaking already know
there are firearms inside their target houses.

2. If someone breaks into my house late at night, I'd rather have the
opportunity to shoot him before he shoots me. For some burglars, just
the sight of being faced down by a 12-gauge shotgun is enough to make
them exit in a hurry.

3. If there are small children about, the firearms and ammo are locked
up in a safe. The only teen-aged relative that visits is a Southern boy
who hunts.

4. I don't keep firearms in the nightstand, but the handguns are handy.

5. Breaking into my house requires making a "lot" of noise. There's no
way to get in without doing so, either by busting in a door or a window
and then setting off a series of alarms and turning on indoor and
outdoor lights and security cameras.

It does sound like someone is very scared of something.

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jan 2, 5:35�am, HK wrote:

Our local sheriff and county prosecutors are not very interested in
going after residents who use lethal force to ward off criminals who
attempt latenight break-ins or home invasions.



Maybe not, but the crooks like to know just where to look to find an
arsenal just waiting to be scooped up.

Statistically, you are probably safer with no gun at all than with a
gun to fend off the "boogie man". Add up all the cases where a
homeowner
successfully frightens away or kills an intruder, then subtract the
number of cases where a PO'd family member picks up the gun and kills
husband, wife, son, daughter, etc. Then subtract the number of
"accidental" gun deaths (kids or grandkids knowing just where to look
for the gun and wating until the first opportunity to screw around
with it). Then subtract the substantial number of cases where people
are shot with their own weapons, either because the thief happened
across the gun a few minutes before the homeowners came in and
surprised him or her, or the victims woke up to find some junked up
crook has won the race to the nightstand. The results are probably not
stacked in favor of keeping a handgun in the bedroom. Keeping the
handgun in a safe, with or without a trigger lock, sort of defeats
the
idea of "quick! shoot the bad guy!" for which most people buy a
handgun in the first place.


1. I live in a mostly rural county. Virtually everyone in this county has
firearms. Thus, any burglars engaged in housebreaking already know there
are firearms inside their target houses.

2. If someone breaks into my house late at night, I'd rather have the
opportunity to shoot him before he shoots me. For some burglars, just the
sight of being faced down by a 12-gauge shotgun is enough to make them
exit in a hurry.

3. If there are small children about, the firearms and ammo are locked up
in a safe. The only teen-aged relative that visits is a Southern boy who
hunts.

4. I don't keep firearms in the nightstand, but the handguns are handy.

5. Breaking into my house requires making a "lot" of noise. There's no way
to get in without doing so, either by busting in a door or a window and
then setting off a series of alarms and turning on indoor and outdoor
lights and security cameras.






--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!
Sounds like you live in an inpenetrable fortress. Good luck with your next
home invasion. It sounds like you are well prepared. Don't forget to leave
out some milk and cookies for the perps. Fool!

"John H." wrote in message
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On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:02:53 -0500, "Jim"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Jan 2, 8:00 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 07:47:06 -0500, HK wrote:
wrote:

Well, although I assume like most things, the handgun is just another
lobsta' boat, seems you have met my challenge...

Tell you what...you attempt to break into my house some night and I'll
post the resulting "news item" here.

Heh...

Is that a challenge?

~~ snerk ~~

I am getting this picture kind of like a Mel Brooks character sitting
there dressed like a german dictator, listening to Motzart, waving a
pistol gently to the music, inadvertantly pulling the trigger every
once in a while, down goes the loud parrot, out goes the photo of
mother in law... I am having a good little laugh here, wish you could
all see it...

Imagine what he might be thinking about doing with those matched dueling
pistols he is waiting for. Does the Virginia required waiting period apply
to concealed carry permit holders? I'm pretty sure Harry claims to have
one.

He's not in Virginia, I hope.
--

JohnH

"Opa of 6"
I thought he was. Where's he hiding now?

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:56:50 -0500, "Jim" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:02:53 -0500, "Jim"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Jan 2, 8:00 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 07:47:06 -0500, HK wrote:
wrote:

Well, although I assume like most things, the handgun is just another
lobsta' boat, seems you have met my challenge...

Tell you what...you attempt to break into my house some night and I'll
post the resulting "news item" here.

Heh...

Is that a challenge?

~~ snerk ~~

I am getting this picture kind of like a Mel Brooks character sitting
there dressed like a german dictator, listening to Motzart, waving a
pistol gently to the music, inadvertantly pulling the trigger every
once in a while, down goes the loud parrot, out goes the photo of
mother in law... I am having a good little laugh here, wish you could
all see it...

Imagine what he might be thinking about doing with those matched dueling
pistols he is waiting for. Does the Virginia required waiting period apply
to concealed carry permit holders? I'm pretty sure Harry claims to have
one.

He's not in Virginia, I hope.
--

JohnH

"Opa of 6"
I thought he was. Where's he hiding now?

Maryland
--

JohnH

"Opa of 6"

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
...
On Jan 2, 5:35?am, HK wrote:


Our local sheriff and county prosecutors are not very interested in
going after residents who use lethal force to ward off criminals who
attempt latenight break-ins or home invasions.

Maybe not, but the crooks like to know just where to look to find an
arsenal just waiting to be scooped up.

Statistically, you are probably safer with no gun at all than with a
gun to fend off the "boogie man". Add up all the cases where a
homeowner
successfully frightens away or kills an intruder, then subtract the
number of cases where a PO'd family member picks up the gun and kills
husband, wife, son, daughter, etc. Then subtract the number of
"accidental" gun deaths (kids or grandkids knowing just where to look
for the gun and wating until the first opportunity to screw around
with it). Then subtract the substantial number of cases where people
are shot with their own weapons, either because the thief happened
across the gun a few minutes before the homeowners came in and
surprised him or her, or the victims woke up to find some junked up
crook has won the race to the nightstand. The results are probably not
stacked in favor of keeping a handgun in the bedroom. Keeping the
handgun in a safe, with or without a trigger lock, sort of defeats
the
idea of "quick! shoot the bad guy!" for which most people buy a
handgun in the first place.

In most states there is a huge difference in the sentences handed down
for burglary depending upon whether the crook is armed. In fact, it
can become a different class of crime "armed robbery". Few burglars
enter a dwelling intending to harm the occupants- most will plan the
crime for a time when nobody is home. That accounts for the surprising
number of cases where a homeowner is shot with his or her own weapon-
the burglar entered the home unarmed. In the rare case where somebody
actually plans to murder you, the crime is also likely to be planned
with a minimum of confrontation or opportunity to defend yourself.

Do you live in a "three-strikes" state? If so, you actually are at
greater risk than before. (gun or no) Crooks with two prior felony
convictions are more likely to kill any potential witnesses. They know
that if they get busted for robbing the liquor store or breaking in to
steal your stereo they're going to prison for the rest of their
lives......same basic punishment as for murder so might as well clean
up the loose ends. Depressing, ain't it? :-(


Parts of your writing are true. But most children that accidently shoot
themselves or someone else are kids that have been sheltered from guns. If
you have a gun in the house, teach the kid about gun safety. Take him / her
to the range and let them shoot the gun. I grew up around guns as my father
was a hunter. I use to hunt ducks and pigs, so there were guns in the
house. They were not in a safe 20 years ago, but the kids got to shoot them
on camping trips, they were taught gun safety. And if a relative is going
to shoot and kill the another relative, the availability of a firearm is
only going to increase the odds of death a small percentage.
If you are going to have a weapon for home protection, you have to be
prepared to shoot the bad guy. Best advice I ever heard was from a Kentucky
sherriff. He said if you think someone is in the house, call 911, and get
behind the bed with the light on and bench rest the weapon pointing at the
door. Do not say a word to the bad guy if he comes to the bedroom door.
Just look at him with the gun pointed at him. 99.999% of the time the guy
will turn and run. If he continues into the room, shoot him twice. And
then keep the gun pointed at him lying there. The cops will come in the
door even if it is locked. And the guy can not get the gun if he is
wounded.