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[email protected] December 28th 07 03:08 PM

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:35:33 -0500, John H. wrote:


"Michael Flatley - Celtic Dance - 01 - Reel Around the Sun.mp3"


I thought he was a dancer.

D.Duck December 28th 07 03:31 PM

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:04:55 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


"JG2U" wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:47:59 +0000, Larry wrote:

"Del Cecchi" wrote in
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And isn't that 44k Bytes per second?

Oh, sorry....44.1K 16-bit SAMPLES per second. Bytes are 8 bit. Here, a
little background reality:
http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_cdfaqb.html

Frequency response: 5 to 20,000 Hz +/- 3 dB.
Harmonic distortion: .008 % at 1 KHz.
Dynamic range: Greater than 90 dB.
Signal to noise ratio: Greater than 85 dB.

The frequency response is a dirty lie. That's the DISK frequency
response. If they want to SELL the music on FM radio, they use the RIAA
equalization standard of 50-15000 Hz....which is exactly the audio
bandwidth allowed on FM radio since World War 2 and what's been recorded
on all 33 RPM LPs since the first one was pressed. All the music you
listen to is recorded for FM transmission. Notice the freq response is
+/- 3%, not .3 or .03 or .00001. This means nothing because the worst
instrument in the listening string is YOU and your rotten human
frequency
response. Drop by an audiologist and have your own hearing swept
frequency tested. It's just awful, even if you are 16 and never used
hiphop headphones so loud they could hear you in the next car.

Larry

A couple of corrections...

Nyquist's Theorum says that you must sample audio at a rate of at
least two times the highest frequency you want to recover, our else
aliasing (distortion) will occur. So 20,000 hz times 2 = 40,000. So,
the 44,100 samples per second rate allows up to 20,000 hz to be
recorded and played back. While it's true that most pop music is
recorded with a mix that will sound good on FM radio, the frequency
response on those recordings are not necessarily limited to 15kHz. The
FM transmission by its nature just rolls off anything above 15k in the
source material.

Also, the frequency response is +/- 3dB, not %. 3dB is about the
minimum volume change the human ear can detect in a complex audio
waveform (such as music). While the human ear does not have a flat
frequency response by any means, it CAN detect any changes from the
response curve it is used to hearing. Crank up your bass and treble
control to see what I mean.

What that means is that when you hear the playback of a particular
musical instrument through your sound system, you hear not only the
instrument, but also whatever was added and/or subtracted by the
recording and playback equipment. The less the equipment changes the
sound, the better and more accurate the instrument sounds compared to
the original source. That's why those specification numbers have to
be so good... your ear can hear the coloration that a limited or a
non-flat flat frequency response adds to the source. Even if the
sound is slightly outside of your audible hearing range, studies have
shown that those sounds still contribute to what your brain perceives.

Oh, and TVs don't whine anymore because they figured out ways to
mannufacture them so they are quieter. When one gets noisy I can
still hear it.


This biggest single contributor to the horizontal scanning frequency noise
came for a poorly constructed flyback transformer.


The windings on the yokes were a major source of high frequency noise.



That too.



Del Cecchi December 28th 07 04:04 PM

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On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:01:27 -0600, Del Cecchi wrote:


free version supports it. there are also programs to compress flac
and
convert to mp3.


Flac is already compressed, but it's a loss-less compression.

http://flac.sourceforge.net/faq.html


Of course. But a flac file is pretty big. Converting to MP3 makes it
considerably smaller is what I was trying to get across. I guess I
should have said "by converting it to mp3" instead of "and
converting...".

del



Short Wave Sportfishing December 28th 07 04:59 PM

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:48:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

So, Wal-Mart ain't all bad in my book.


I buy stuff at Wal-Mart all the time and could really give a damn
about the slave labor nonsense.

I will say this for the local Wal-Mart - they are very active in local
charities and every year hands out $20,000 worth of $1000 to $1500
scholarships to high school seniors going to college. Plus their
other charity sponsorships like Relay, Deary road race, Turkey Dip and
quite a few others. This past year, Putnam wasn't going to have
fireworks in July - Rotary Club and Wal-Mart stepped up with the money
and there were fireworks.

And here's another thing. Young girl of my wife's aquaintence make a
big mistake and started off as a cashier at Wal-Mart to support her
baby. Fast forward six years and she's now Assistant Store Manager,
has an associate business degree going for her BA in Business, has a
nice little house, relatively new car and is going places all because
of Wal-Mart. And I've heard similar stories.

It's all about perception.

Short Wave Sportfishing December 28th 07 05:00 PM

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:46:59 -0500, JG2U wrote:

Oh, and TVs don't whine anymore because they figured out ways to
mannufacture them so they are quieter. When one gets noisy I can
still hear it


Completely off subject.

Do you have a Japanese Amateur Radio License? :)

Short Wave Sportfishing December 28th 07 05:02 PM

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:04:55 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

This biggest single contributor to the horizontal scanning frequency noise
came for a poorly constructed flyback transformer.


Oh for the days of practical jokes in the TV shop done with flyback
transformers. :)

HK December 28th 07 05:04 PM

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:48:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

So, Wal-Mart ain't all bad in my book.


I buy stuff at Wal-Mart all the time and could really give a damn
about the slave labor nonsense.

I will say this for the local Wal-Mart - they are very active in local
charities and every year hands out $20,000 worth of $1000 to $1500
scholarships to high school seniors going to college. Plus their
other charity sponsorships like Relay, Deary road race, Turkey Dip and
quite a few others. This past year, Putnam wasn't going to have
fireworks in July - Rotary Club and Wal-Mart stepped up with the money
and there were fireworks.

And here's another thing. Young girl of my wife's aquaintence make a
big mistake and started off as a cashier at Wal-Mart to support her
baby. Fast forward six years and she's now Assistant Store Manager,
has an associate business degree going for her BA in Business, has a
nice little house, relatively new car and is going places all because
of Wal-Mart. And I've heard similar stories.

It's all about perception.



That's right. Mussolini made the trains run on time.

Short Wave Sportfishing December 28th 07 05:15 PM

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:04:51 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:48:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

So, Wal-Mart ain't all bad in my book.


I buy stuff at Wal-Mart all the time and could really give a damn
about the slave labor nonsense.

I will say this for the local Wal-Mart - they are very active in local
charities and every year hands out $20,000 worth of $1000 to $1500
scholarships to high school seniors going to college. Plus their
other charity sponsorships like Relay, Deary road race, Turkey Dip and
quite a few others. This past year, Putnam wasn't going to have
fireworks in July - Rotary Club and Wal-Mart stepped up with the money
and there were fireworks.

And here's another thing. Young girl of my wife's aquaintence make a
big mistake and started off as a cashier at Wal-Mart to support her
baby. Fast forward six years and she's now Assistant Store Manager,
has an associate business degree going for her BA in Business, has a
nice little house, relatively new car and is going places all because
of Wal-Mart. And I've heard similar stories.

It's all about perception.


That's right. Mussolini made the trains run on time.


And your point is?

HK December 28th 07 05:22 PM

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:04:51 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:48:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

So, Wal-Mart ain't all bad in my book.
I buy stuff at Wal-Mart all the time and could really give a damn
about the slave labor nonsense.

I will say this for the local Wal-Mart - they are very active in local
charities and every year hands out $20,000 worth of $1000 to $1500
scholarships to high school seniors going to college. Plus their
other charity sponsorships like Relay, Deary road race, Turkey Dip and
quite a few others. This past year, Putnam wasn't going to have
fireworks in July - Rotary Club and Wal-Mart stepped up with the money
and there were fireworks.

And here's another thing. Young girl of my wife's aquaintence make a
big mistake and started off as a cashier at Wal-Mart to support her
baby. Fast forward six years and she's now Assistant Store Manager,
has an associate business degree going for her BA in Business, has a
nice little house, relatively new car and is going places all because
of Wal-Mart. And I've heard similar stories.

It's all about perception.

That's right. Mussolini made the trains run on time.


And your point is?



That because a person or entity does some thing that some perceive as
"Good" doesn't mean that same person or entity isn't engaging in
activities that do a lot of harm.

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

John H.[_3_] December 28th 07 05:28 PM

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:39:49 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:37:02 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:48:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
om...


You are talking about "operations." I am talking about Wal-Mart as an
operation, one that violates wage-hour laws, hires illegals and then lies
about it, facilitates the slave labor trade in China.



Frankly, I don't follow those allegations with the vigor that you obviously
do.

The bottom line is that Wal-Mart effectively serves a large part of the
population. I don't go "shopping" often and go to Wal-Mart even less but
when I do I always take note of the number of young families shopping for
necessities for the household or personal needs. They do so because they
need to stretch their buying power and the prices at Wal-Mart are
attractive. I certainly remember those days.

The other day I noticed that a couple of those miniature 12 volt, 10 watt
halogen lights were out on the Navigator.
I stopped by West Marine to pick up half a dozen or so and had sticker shock
at the price. Over 5 bucks each.
I am not exactly a penny-pincher, but I couldn't bring myself to pay that
much for a stupid little light.

Went to our local hardware store and they were priced at about the same.
Now I was on a mission.
Went to Wal-Mart and found a larger stock of the same bulb, in the same
Phillips packaging for almost a dollar less per bulb.

Then, I was hooking up a DLP projector and needed an extra long "S" video
cord. Radio Shack only had 12 footers.
Same with Best Buy and Circuit City. None carried the "S" video barrel
connectors that allow hooking two or more cords together. The guy at
Circuit City turned his head back and forth to make sure we weren't being
overheard and then suggested Wal-Mart. Sure enough, they carried 25 foot
"S" video cords and the hard to find barrel connectors as well.

So, Wal-Mart ain't all bad in my book.

Eisboch


Careful. If you disagree too much, you'll join us in his 'bozo bin'. We who
are so defiled are having a nice time in there, and we don't want it to get
too crowded!


I think the plan is that we ALL make sure we are put in his bozo bin.
That constructively ousts Harry and leaves the rest of us here
participating as always but without his input.


There are a couple here who still find Harry 'enlightening'! But, I like
the idea.

However, he seems to find a way to respond to most of the posts from those
who are in his 'killfile'.


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