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"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

Really? Does Larry also think the bitty Bose speaker systems are crap,
and that you cannot violate the laws of physics when it comes to sound
reproduction?

Bitty Bose speaker systems may be crap, but the ol' Doc has done pretty
well:

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/compa...y-History.html


Eisboch

So has Dick Cheney. Doesn't mean he isn't crap, too. Sometimes there is a
connection between money and quality, and sometimes there isn't. Wal-Mart
does a tremendous amount of business, and yet it is a crap operation.


You must feel like a voice in the wilderness since thousands, hundreds of
thousands and millions of people feel otherwise everyday.

I saw a documentary about Wal-Mart the other day. They have a central
computer system that is second in size only to that used by the Pentagon.
The sale of any item, from a plasma TV to a tube of toothpaste at any store
nationwide is reported to the central computer within an hour of the sale.
Trends are monitored as well as weather forecasts for all areas because a
storm or unusual weather event historically raises the demand for certain
items. The computer data results in extra stock of those items being
shipped to the affected area from several distribution centers, days before
the storm system arrives.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Really? Does Larry also think the bitty Bose speaker systems are crap,
and that you cannot violate the laws of physics when it comes to sound
reproduction?
Bitty Bose speaker systems may be crap, but the ol' Doc has done pretty
well:

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/compa...y-History.html


Eisboch
So has Dick Cheney. Doesn't mean he isn't crap, too. Sometimes there is a
connection between money and quality, and sometimes there isn't. Wal-Mart
does a tremendous amount of business, and yet it is a crap operation.


You must feel like a voice in the wilderness since thousands, hundreds of
thousands and millions of people feel otherwise everyday.

I saw a documentary about Wal-Mart the other day. They have a central
computer system that is second in size only to that used by the Pentagon.
The sale of any item, from a plasma TV to a tube of toothpaste at any store
nationwide is reported to the central computer within an hour of the sale.
Trends are monitored as well as weather forecasts for all areas because a
storm or unusual weather event historically raises the demand for certain
items. The computer data results in extra stock of those items being
shipped to the affected area from several distribution centers, days before
the storm system arrives.

Eisboch





You are talking about "operations." I am talking about Wal-Mart as an
operation, one that violates wage-hour laws, hires illegals and then
lies about it, facilitates the slave labor trade in China.

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:14:05 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:47:59 +0000, Larry wrote:

Armed with this information, why would you buy a $5000 stereo receiver
that has a frequency response so wonderful it can reproduce 30 Khz to
drive the neighbor's ultrasonic-hearing dogs just crazy? You also don't
need a $1200 woofer that can reproduce 10-50 Hz, because the only thing
down there is turntable rumble and a few heavy trucks rattling FM
detector's tuned circuits, in older radios. Shhh...this farce has been
successfully sold the the public since WW2. It made many billionaires!

Anybody notice that Larry is just like Harry if you change the L and H
around?

Same attitudes, same theory system - same everything only the focus is
different.

The big difference is that Larry sometimes provides some good information!

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:40:31 -0500, "Jim"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:47:59 +0000, Larry wrote:

Armed with this information, why would you buy a $5000 stereo receiver
that has a frequency response so wonderful it can reproduce 30 Khz to
drive the neighbor's ultrasonic-hearing dogs just crazy? You also don't
need a $1200 woofer that can reproduce 10-50 Hz, because the only thing
down there is turntable rumble and a few heavy trucks rattling FM
detector's tuned circuits, in older radios. Shhh...this farce has been
successfully sold the the public since WW2. It made many billionaires!

Anybody notice that Larry is just like Harry if you change the L and H
around?

Same attitudes, same theory system - same everything only the focus is
different.
Actually, there is a difference. The delivery is similar, but there is some
interesting content in what Larry posts. On the other hand. Harry's repatoir
consists of "I hate you", I hate Bush", "America sucks", "If you join the
military you're a loser", "I have the best boat",
I have the best guns", "My wife is younger than yours", I know everything
there is to know about anything worth knowing". Another thing. Larry has a
parrot. Harry is one. He repeats the same old **** ad nauseum.
Rant mode off. That felt good.

Yeah, what he said.

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HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Really? Does Larry also think the bitty Bose speaker systems are
crap, and that you cannot violate the laws of physics when it comes
to sound reproduction?
Bitty Bose speaker systems may be crap, but the ol' Doc has done
pretty well:

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/compa...y-History.html



Eisboch
So has Dick Cheney. Doesn't mean he isn't crap, too. Sometimes there
is a connection between money and quality, and sometimes there isn't.
Wal-Mart does a tremendous amount of business, and yet it is a crap
operation.


You must feel like a voice in the wilderness since thousands, hundreds
of thousands and millions of people feel otherwise everyday.

I saw a documentary about Wal-Mart the other day. They have a central
computer system that is second in size only to that used by the
Pentagon. The sale of any item, from a plasma TV to a tube of
toothpaste at any store nationwide is reported to the central computer
within an hour of the sale. Trends are monitored as well as weather
forecasts for all areas because a storm or unusual weather event
historically raises the demand for certain items. The computer data
results in extra stock of those items being shipped to the affected
area from several distribution centers, days before the storm system
arrives.

Eisboch





You are talking about "operations." I am talking about Wal-Mart as an
operation, one that violates wage-hour laws, hires illegals and then
lies about it, facilitates the slave labor trade in China.


If you think WalMart is such a terrible organization, why in the world
would you save a coupon to Walmart?

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"HK" wrote in message
. ..


You are talking about "operations." I am talking about Wal-Mart as an
operation, one that violates wage-hour laws, hires illegals and then lies
about it, facilitates the slave labor trade in China.



Frankly, I don't follow those allegations with the vigor that you obviously
do.

The bottom line is that Wal-Mart effectively serves a large part of the
population. I don't go "shopping" often and go to Wal-Mart even less but
when I do I always take note of the number of young families shopping for
necessities for the household or personal needs. They do so because they
need to stretch their buying power and the prices at Wal-Mart are
attractive. I certainly remember those days.

The other day I noticed that a couple of those miniature 12 volt, 10 watt
halogen lights were out on the Navigator.
I stopped by West Marine to pick up half a dozen or so and had sticker shock
at the price. Over 5 bucks each.
I am not exactly a penny-pincher, but I couldn't bring myself to pay that
much for a stupid little light.

Went to our local hardware store and they were priced at about the same.
Now I was on a mission.
Went to Wal-Mart and found a larger stock of the same bulb, in the same
Phillips packaging for almost a dollar less per bulb.

Then, I was hooking up a DLP projector and needed an extra long "S" video
cord. Radio Shack only had 12 footers.
Same with Best Buy and Circuit City. None carried the "S" video barrel
connectors that allow hooking two or more cords together. The guy at
Circuit City turned his head back and forth to make sure we weren't being
overheard and then suggested Wal-Mart. Sure enough, they carried 25 foot
"S" video cords and the hard to find barrel connectors as well.

So, Wal-Mart ain't all bad in my book.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..

You are talking about "operations." I am talking about Wal-Mart as an
operation, one that violates wage-hour laws, hires illegals and then lies
about it, facilitates the slave labor trade in China.



Frankly, I don't follow those allegations with the vigor that you obviously
do.


They're not allegations.




--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:04:33 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

Really? Does Larry also think the bitty Bose speaker systems are crap,
and that you cannot violate the laws of physics when it comes to sound
reproduction?

Bitty Bose speaker systems may be crap, but the ol' Doc has done pretty
well:

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/compa...y-History.html


Eisboch

So has Dick Cheney. Doesn't mean he isn't crap, too. Sometimes there is a
connection between money and quality, and sometimes there isn't. Wal-Mart
does a tremendous amount of business, and yet it is a crap operation.


You must feel like a voice in the wilderness since thousands, hundreds of
thousands and millions of people feel otherwise everyday.

I saw a documentary about Wal-Mart the other day. They have a central
computer system that is second in size only to that used by the Pentagon.
The sale of any item, from a plasma TV to a tube of toothpaste at any store
nationwide is reported to the central computer within an hour of the sale.
Trends are monitored as well as weather forecasts for all areas because a
storm or unusual weather event historically raises the demand for certain
items. The computer data results in extra stock of those items being
shipped to the affected area from several distribution centers, days before
the storm system arrives.

Eisboch



Not to change the subject, but I'm listening to:

"Michael Flatley - Celtic Dance - 01 - Reel Around the Sun.mp3"

from alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.celtic

Very nice.

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:48:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...


You are talking about "operations." I am talking about Wal-Mart as an
operation, one that violates wage-hour laws, hires illegals and then lies
about it, facilitates the slave labor trade in China.



Frankly, I don't follow those allegations with the vigor that you obviously
do.

The bottom line is that Wal-Mart effectively serves a large part of the
population. I don't go "shopping" often and go to Wal-Mart even less but
when I do I always take note of the number of young families shopping for
necessities for the household or personal needs. They do so because they
need to stretch their buying power and the prices at Wal-Mart are
attractive. I certainly remember those days.

The other day I noticed that a couple of those miniature 12 volt, 10 watt
halogen lights were out on the Navigator.
I stopped by West Marine to pick up half a dozen or so and had sticker shock
at the price. Over 5 bucks each.
I am not exactly a penny-pincher, but I couldn't bring myself to pay that
much for a stupid little light.

Went to our local hardware store and they were priced at about the same.
Now I was on a mission.
Went to Wal-Mart and found a larger stock of the same bulb, in the same
Phillips packaging for almost a dollar less per bulb.

Then, I was hooking up a DLP projector and needed an extra long "S" video
cord. Radio Shack only had 12 footers.
Same with Best Buy and Circuit City. None carried the "S" video barrel
connectors that allow hooking two or more cords together. The guy at
Circuit City turned his head back and forth to make sure we weren't being
overheard and then suggested Wal-Mart. Sure enough, they carried 25 foot
"S" video cords and the hard to find barrel connectors as well.

So, Wal-Mart ain't all bad in my book.

Eisboch


Careful. If you disagree too much, you'll join us in his 'bozo bin'. We who
are so defiled are having a nice time in there, and we don't want it to get
too crowded!

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"JG2U" wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:47:59 +0000, Larry wrote:

"Del Cecchi" wrote in
:

And isn't that 44k Bytes per second?

Oh, sorry....44.1K 16-bit SAMPLES per second. Bytes are 8 bit. Here, a
little background reality:
http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_cdfaqb.html

Frequency response: 5 to 20,000 Hz +/- 3 dB.
Harmonic distortion: .008 % at 1 KHz.
Dynamic range: Greater than 90 dB.
Signal to noise ratio: Greater than 85 dB.

The frequency response is a dirty lie. That's the DISK frequency
response. If they want to SELL the music on FM radio, they use the RIAA
equalization standard of 50-15000 Hz....which is exactly the audio
bandwidth allowed on FM radio since World War 2 and what's been recorded
on all 33 RPM LPs since the first one was pressed. All the music you
listen to is recorded for FM transmission. Notice the freq response is
+/- 3%, not .3 or .03 or .00001. This means nothing because the worst
instrument in the listening string is YOU and your rotten human frequency
response. Drop by an audiologist and have your own hearing swept
frequency tested. It's just awful, even if you are 16 and never used
hiphop headphones so loud they could hear you in the next car.

Larry

A couple of corrections...

Nyquist's Theorum says that you must sample audio at a rate of at
least two times the highest frequency you want to recover, our else
aliasing (distortion) will occur. So 20,000 hz times 2 = 40,000. So,
the 44,100 samples per second rate allows up to 20,000 hz to be
recorded and played back. While it's true that most pop music is
recorded with a mix that will sound good on FM radio, the frequency
response on those recordings are not necessarily limited to 15kHz. The
FM transmission by its nature just rolls off anything above 15k in the
source material.

Also, the frequency response is +/- 3dB, not %. 3dB is about the
minimum volume change the human ear can detect in a complex audio
waveform (such as music). While the human ear does not have a flat
frequency response by any means, it CAN detect any changes from the
response curve it is used to hearing. Crank up your bass and treble
control to see what I mean.

What that means is that when you hear the playback of a particular
musical instrument through your sound system, you hear not only the
instrument, but also whatever was added and/or subtracted by the
recording and playback equipment. The less the equipment changes the
sound, the better and more accurate the instrument sounds compared to
the original source. That's why those specification numbers have to
be so good... your ear can hear the coloration that a limited or a
non-flat flat frequency response adds to the source. Even if the
sound is slightly outside of your audible hearing range, studies have
shown that those sounds still contribute to what your brain perceives.

Oh, and TVs don't whine anymore because they figured out ways to
mannufacture them so they are quieter. When one gets noisy I can
still hear it.

This biggest single contributor to the horizontal scanning frequency noise
came for a poorly constructed flyback transformer.