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Last I heard, Bose was more interested in figuring out electronic
automotive suspensions. Selling outrageously overpriced boomboxes and
clock radios probably just funds the research for that.



One product that apparently is very good is their noise canceling headsets.
They advertise the commercial versions but they also supply to the military.

Eisboch

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On Dec 20, 10:16*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:08:03 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"





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The "plain box" you described came in a wide variety of quality levels..
Some of the variations in sound imaging involved the exact type of
components used, how they were placed relative to the box edge, etc.
There were and still are "box" speakers that will create a remarkably
interesting audio image. The problem with 901s was that they tended to
create an image which in no way represented what you'd hear at a live
performance, unless the musicians were arranged in a circle around you..
Messy, in other words.

First, a disclaimer. *I am not claiming that Bose 901s are audiophile
level speakers or even close.
My point was that the direct/reflecting concept and the use of multiple,
small drivers was a very different approach to sound duplication in an age
dominated by big, heavy (often sand filled) cabinets, drivers with rigid
cones and surrounds and relatively small or weak voice coil magnets.
Remember ... this was 1968.

Second point ... a box speaker cannot, by itself, accurately reproduce the
sound stage image of a live performance. *All the sound (per channel) is
emitted from a single point source. *They depend on proper mixing and
manipulation of the recording to create a sound stage image, but still
lack backside reflections that would normally occur in a live performance.
Bob Carver even developed a "holographic" processor in some of his amps to
address this and give the speakers a sound stage with a 3 dimensional
image, when properly set up.

Carver's idea was meant to sell his electronics to people with
less-than-decent speakers. It worked. As far as the sound image, though, I
suspect you've never sat very long in front of top of the line Kefs or B&O
speakers. Matter of fact, even in1968, the simplest AR acoustic suspension
speakers could create a pretty remarkable image, if fed a decent signal.
Remember the first & second Blood, Sweat & Tears albums, where somebody
actually cared about the production?

Piffle.

The only speakers worthy of the name are Bozak Concert Grands.

Any other speaker is merely a speaker.

PS: *Yes Bassy, I own four of these little beasties. *:)

PPS: *Analog rules - digital drools!!

PPPS: *Yes Bassy, my personal office stereo system is analog. *:)

PPPPS: *With tubes.

PPPPPS: Which glow in the dark.

PPPPPPS: And transformers - real transformers that weigh a ton.

PPPPPPPS: Ok, maybe not a ton, but a lot.

PPPPPPPPS: *In my opinion, the only true way to test a stereo system
is Derek and the Dominos "Layla" played at 11.- Hide quoted text -

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"PPS: Analog rules - digital drools!!"

Digitial is the only way to store music. No one stores music any
other way these days. Unless you're not using cd's you have digital
music. Professionals are running digital as far as possible before
converting to analog.

"PPPPPPS: And transformers - real transformers that weigh a ton"

And there's what is wrong with tube amps. Tubes are fundamentally
voltage amplifiers while speakers are current devices. To solve this
mismatch any tube amp has to have a big honking transformer in between
the output circuit and the speaker. Problem is that designing a
transformer to work invisibly from 20hz to 20khz is not so easy. In
fact getting 20hz through a transformer at all is pretty difficult.
Power transistors are current amplifiers. The transistor can be
hooked straight to the speaker. An ab amp with transistors is
practically identical to the tube version except no output
transformer. This opens up the power range. Building a 200 rms watt
ab amp is trivial with transistors, impractical with tubes. That
means the transistors have more head room as well as placing normal
operating range much farther down their power curve.

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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:19:38 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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The only speakers worthy of the name are Bozak Concert Grands.

Any other speaker is merely a speaker.

Fat, loose, sloppy bass. Nobody really listened to those.

You have just lost any credibility on this subject after a statement
like that.


Oh well. :-)

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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 05:33:03 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc
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And there's what is wrong with tube amps. Tubes are fundamentally
voltage amplifiers while speakers are current devices. To solve this
mismatch any tube amp has to have a big honking transformer in between
the output circuit and the speaker.

Blah, blah, blah.

Anybody and everybody with a smidgen of listening ability agrees that
transformer/tube nexus is the best quality listening experience -
there is nothing in the digital world that can match it.

Real men live in the analog world. :)

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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:36:57 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:19:38 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

The only speakers worthy of the name are Bozak Concert Grands.

Any other speaker is merely a speaker.

Fat, loose, sloppy bass. Nobody really listened to those.

You have just lost any credibility on this subject after a statement
like that.

Oh well. :-)

Now that we have that settled. :)

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:36:57 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:19:38 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

The only speakers worthy of the name are Bozak Concert Grands.

Any other speaker is merely a speaker.

Fat, loose, sloppy bass. Nobody really listened to those.

You have just lost any credibility on this subject after a statement
like that.

Oh well. :-)

Now that we have that settled. :)


Remember, though: You don't like bass. So, your comments about the quality
of bass response are about as valid as any comments I might make about dogs,
such as "Do they always take this long to cook?"

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On Dec 21, 8:41*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 05:33:03 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc

wrote:
And there's what is wrong with tube amps. *Tubes are fundamentally
voltage amplifiers while speakers are current devices. *To solve this
mismatch any tube amp has to have a big honking transformer in between
the output circuit and the speaker.

Blah, blah, blah.

Anybody and everybody with a smidgen of listening ability agrees that
transformer/tube nexus is the best quality listening experience -
there is nothing in the digital world that can match it.

Real men live in the analog world. *:)

All quality power amps are still analog. And they're still class a or
class ab. That's got nothing to do with the tube/transistor debate.
No one would argue with the fact that the class d switching amps kids
are putting in cars have terrible specs and terrible sound. Digital
is how you store your music and if you're still using analog storage
then you're just stupid.

And some of the tube purests are bi-amping these days and running a
transistor amp for the lows. I won't argue that a lot of people
prefer the warmer sound produced by tube amps. But tube amps have
problems with the lows, it's the physics of the output transformer and
that's just unavoidable. If all you ever listen to is elevator music
predominately between 1khz and 10khz then tube amps are fine. But
you try to push any amount of 20hz through a tube amp and you're going
to run into transformer saturation. When the rest of your signal is
riding on top of that 20hz then it gets impacted as well.

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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:50:35 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:36:57 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:19:38 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

The only speakers worthy of the name are Bozak Concert Grands.

Any other speaker is merely a speaker.

Fat, loose, sloppy bass. Nobody really listened to those.

You have just lost any credibility on this subject after a statement
like that.

Oh well. :-)

Now that we have that settled. :)

Remember, though: You don't like bass. So, your comments about the quality
of bass response are about as valid as any comments I might make about dogs,
such as "Do they always take this long to cook?"

Piffle.

I rule, you drool - get used to it. :)

By the way, I've kind of decided that I'm going to purchase a Yamaha
or Korg synthesizer (X50) to mess around with.

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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 06:08:42 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc
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On Dec 21, 8:41*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 05:33:03 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc

wrote:
And there's what is wrong with tube amps. *Tubes are fundamentally
voltage amplifiers while speakers are current devices. *To solve this
mismatch any tube amp has to have a big honking transformer in between
the output circuit and the speaker.

Blah, blah, blah.

Anybody and everybody with a smidgen of listening ability agrees that
transformer/tube nexus is the best quality listening experience -
there is nothing in the digital world that can match it.

Real men live in the analog world. *:)

All quality power amps are still analog. And they're still class a or
class ab. That's got nothing to do with the tube/transistor debate.
No one would argue with the fact that the class d switching amps kids
are putting in cars have terrible specs and terrible sound. Digital
is how you store your music and if you're still using analog storage
then you're just stupid.

And some of the tube purests are bi-amping these days and running a
transistor amp for the lows. I won't argue that a lot of people
prefer the warmer sound produced by tube amps. But tube amps have
problems with the lows, it's the physics of the output transformer and
that's just unavoidable. If all you ever listen to is elevator music
predominately between 1khz and 10khz then tube amps are fine. But
you try to push any amount of 20hz through a tube amp and you're going
to run into transformer saturation. When the rest of your signal is
riding on top of that 20hz then it gets impacted as well.

I know - Just arguing because I'm bored. :)

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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:50:35 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:36:57 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:19:38 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

The only speakers worthy of the name are Bozak Concert Grands.

Any other speaker is merely a speaker.

Fat, loose, sloppy bass. Nobody really listened to those.

You have just lost any credibility on this subject after a statement
like that.

Oh well. :-)

Now that we have that settled. :)

Remember, though: You don't like bass. So, your comments about the
quality
of bass response are about as valid as any comments I might make about
dogs,
such as "Do they always take this long to cook?"

Piffle.

I rule, you drool - get used to it. :)

By the way, I've kind of decided that I'm going to purchase a Yamaha
or Korg synthesizer (X50) to mess around with.


That will probably make sounds happen.

By the way, I discovered something amazing yesterday. You know how some good
labels contain warnings about ingredients some people might be sensitive to?
Get this: On the back of a bottle of La Choy soy sauce: CONTAINS SOY

I'm going to investigate further. I was shocked.