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Yet Another Tragic Case......
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message ... I'd be OK with a system where the guy who chooses not to wear a motorcyle helmet or a pfd agrees that in any situation where his choice to avoid mitigating his personal risk develops into an emergency the paramedics, USCG, etc can elect *not* to respond. That's what taking the risk means. As it is now, the people who refuse to take basic safety precautions not only risk their own lives, but they cost the rest of us $$$$$$$$$$ in S&R costs, publicly subsidized medical care, welfare and Social Security payments made to orphaned children, etc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, following that logic emergency services should be optional for anyone involved in an accident while driving a car in inclement weather, after midnight (might get sleepy), or on busy highways at rush hour. Not wearing a PFD while boating in rough seas is stupid, I agree. I *do* have a problem with mandatory helmet laws. All the arguements about beoming a burden to society due to medical costs and increased insurance premiums for all just don't hold up under close scrutiny. Sorry. Eisboch |
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:51:03 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
I *do* have a problem with mandatory helmet laws. All the arguements about beoming a burden to society due to medical costs and increased insurance premiums for all just don't hold up under close scrutiny. Not to take this in a different direction, but I'm of the opinion that if I am required to wear a seatbelt under the dubious rational that it will "save" my life and reduce medical costs, then helmets should also be required along with full leathers and body armor for motorcycle riders. The stated rational for seatbelts is BS for a number of reasons, but the most important is that seatbelt use is over stated and over reported in vehicle accidents resulting in skewed "safety" statistics. The same basic stats apply that MC riders use to validate their claim, by extrapolation, can be used for automobiles. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :) |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:51:03 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: I *do* have a problem with mandatory helmet laws. All the arguements about beoming a burden to society due to medical costs and increased insurance premiums for all just don't hold up under close scrutiny. Not to take this in a different direction, but I'm of the opinion that if I am required to wear a seatbelt under the dubious rational that it will "save" my life and reduce medical costs, then helmets should also be required along with full leathers and body armor for motorcycle riders. The stated rational for seatbelts is BS for a number of reasons, but the most important is that seatbelt use is over stated and over reported in vehicle accidents resulting in skewed "safety" statistics. Let's consider the opposite: In the subset consisting of people ejected from their vehicles during an accident, what percentage survive? |
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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 01:32:55 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:51:03 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: I *do* have a problem with mandatory helmet laws. All the arguements about beoming a burden to society due to medical costs and increased insurance premiums for all just don't hold up under close scrutiny. Not to take this in a different direction, but I'm of the opinion that if I am required to wear a seatbelt under the dubious rational that it will "save" my life and reduce medical costs, then helmets should also be required along with full leathers and body armor for motorcycle riders. The stated rational for seatbelts is BS for a number of reasons, but the most important is that seatbelt use is over stated and over reported in vehicle accidents resulting in skewed "safety" statistics. Let's consider the opposite: In the subset consisting of people ejected from their vehicles during an accident, what percentage survive? If I were a betting man, I would say, proportionally, about the same as a motorcycle rider's. However, the more important question is how many major accidents result in ejection? Probably about the same number as high speed motorcycle accidents. |
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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 01:32:55 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:51:03 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: I *do* have a problem with mandatory helmet laws. All the arguements about beoming a burden to society due to medical costs and increased insurance premiums for all just don't hold up under close scrutiny. Not to take this in a different direction, but I'm of the opinion that if I am required to wear a seatbelt under the dubious rational that it will "save" my life and reduce medical costs, then helmets should also be required along with full leathers and body armor for motorcycle riders. The stated rational for seatbelts is BS for a number of reasons, but the most important is that seatbelt use is over stated and over reported in vehicle accidents resulting in skewed "safety" statistics. Let's consider the opposite: In the subset consisting of people ejected from their vehicles during an accident, what percentage survive? My best Navy buddy didn't when he flipped his car on the DC loop and it cut his legs off. He was 21. That's when I started wearing a belt. Aside from that, I found the belt holding me tight behind the wheel gave me a better sense of control when maneuvering hard. Not that I did much of that, but a hard corner can move you off center, especially with a bench seat. --Vic |
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
news On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 01:32:55 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:51:03 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: I *do* have a problem with mandatory helmet laws. All the arguements about beoming a burden to society due to medical costs and increased insurance premiums for all just don't hold up under close scrutiny. Not to take this in a different direction, but I'm of the opinion that if I am required to wear a seatbelt under the dubious rational that it will "save" my life and reduce medical costs, then helmets should also be required along with full leathers and body armor for motorcycle riders. The stated rational for seatbelts is BS for a number of reasons, but the most important is that seatbelt use is over stated and over reported in vehicle accidents resulting in skewed "safety" statistics. Let's consider the opposite: In the subset consisting of people ejected from their vehicles during an accident, what percentage survive? My best Navy buddy didn't when he flipped his car on the DC loop and it cut his legs off. He was 21. That's when I started wearing a belt. Aside from that, I found the belt holding me tight behind the wheel gave me a better sense of control when maneuvering hard. Not that I did much of that, but a hard corner can move you off center, especially with a bench seat. --Vic Losing my legs would not fall under my personal definition of survival. But, I'm funny that way. YMMV |
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Chuck Gould wrote in news:0b23b105-
: Then there's the old "it's my life, I'll risk it" BS. Unfortunately, society doesn't work that way. It does or we'd bust anyone's ass that was caught with beer or wine or other booze not sealed away in the trunk.....just like we do to CARS. We'd **** on the boat dealers' feet by making them all take a competency boat DRIVERS LICENSE test BEFORE we allowed them to drive off in a 55 ton Hatteras with 1500 HP diesels. Just having money isn't a competency test, but that's all we got now. At least SOME of the drivers on the road don't do the really stupid things boaters do, like driving drunk on booze, for fear of losing that LICENSE TO DRIVE. I know lots of boaters who drink and wouldn't do so if they lost that Boat Driver's License, or stood a chance of losing it... Of course, if we really cared, we'd say: NO PFD....NO BOATING But, a thousand yachties will come to that aid. Larry -- Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you you're downloads threaten their networks...... .....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems? http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v |
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HK wrote:
wrote: On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 01:42:14 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 01:32:55 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:51:03 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: I *do* have a problem with mandatory helmet laws. All the arguements about beoming a burden to society due to medical costs and increased insurance premiums for all just don't hold up under close scrutiny. Not to take this in a different direction, but I'm of the opinion that if I am required to wear a seatbelt under the dubious rational that it will "save" my life and reduce medical costs, then helmets should also be required along with full leathers and body armor for motorcycle riders. The stated rational for seatbelts is BS for a number of reasons, but the most important is that seatbelt use is over stated and over reported in vehicle accidents resulting in skewed "safety" statistics. Let's consider the opposite: In the subset consisting of people ejected from their vehicles during an accident, what percentage survive? If I were a betting man, I would say, proportionally, about the same as a motorcycle rider's. However, the more important question is how many major accidents result in ejection? Probably about the same number as high speed motorcycle accidents. FAR more people suffer tramatic brain injury or death from head injuries in cars than on motorcycles. If you aren't wearing a helmet when in a car, you are simply asking for it! I always urge all rightwingers everywhere to ride their motorcycles in as macho a fashion as possible and without helmets or other protective gear, and, whenever possible, to make sure at least one of their fertile family members is on the back seat. Oh. And make sure a handgun is in the saddlebag. Is that directed towards SWF? I think he would be considered a rightwinger? He is definitely right of my political views. While I disagree with many individual's politics and/or religious viewpoints, I know I would wish ill will on them. I am glad you are not reflective of most people I have meet. |
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