Getting in the spirit ...
 

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:17:48 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:50:14 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:33:08 -0500, HK wrote:

Reginald Smithers III wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:51:02 -0500, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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How do I know they were crazed fundies? When I saw the parade, I
asked my hosts, "Who are those nutcases?" and they told me. They
weren't Catholics; they were fundie Baptists.
That is a bit strange Harry.

The figure of Jesus on the cross is more of a Catholic and "high"
Protestant tradition.
Baptists ... "fundie" or not .... don't depict a figure hanging on a
cross, not even in their churches.

Baptists, by tradition, celebrate the life, not the death of Christ
in their rituals.

http://www.teddingtonbaptist.org.uk/tbctour.htm

Eisboch

I had no idea you were a theologian, and empowered to speak for all
the fundie sects. :} If the town I saw the parade in wasn't such a
backwater place, it probably would have a newspaper with photos. But
it doesn't.
What town?
sorry, didn't see your post.
Hehehe. This is funny.

What town, what town, what town?

I told you: a small town in NE Florida.

I believe I mentioned this was in the early 1990 to mid 1990s. I have no
idea whether the same sort of parade is still taking place now, since I
haven't been in that area during the holiday season for many years.

Oh, I get it you want to use your highly refined internet research
skills to see what you can google.

Well, it may not be on google.

Then what? It didn't happen?

What a pair of plonkers the two of you are.
Telephones, Harry. There's bound to be someone down there who remembers
something like men being paraded through town tied to crosses in
celebration of Christmas by a fundamental Baptist sect.

I'd like to know which of the Baptist organizations was doing such a thing.
They are not big on portrayals of Christ on the cross, although the Roman
Catholic church is.

Besides, you said the town 'doesn't' have a newspaper with photos. I assume
you used the present tense because you checked. Well, that's what I want to
do.

I think you're making it all up.
A, I don't believe you think.
B, If by a stretch you do, I don't care what you think.



I don't recall a real newspaper in the town.
Fine, so what is the town? Do you need more information about me to provide
it?

Are personal attacks necessary?

It's not my purpose in life to add to your knowledge base. If you are
that interested, do some research and you'll find the answer. My guess
is that more than one town in North Florida has these religious parades,
though, so you may find a significant number of fundie churches with
live Jesus on a cross floats.

Let me know what you find out. I have some actor friends in NY who were
put out of work temporarily by the Broadway strike. They might
appreciate the gig if it pays scale, and several are Jewish, so that
would lend authenticity to the parades.

(Actually, I could find out the specifics easily, from someone I know
who lives in the town...)


Never mind, Harry. All is now clear.


I doubt it.

Getting in the spirit ...
 

"HK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:03:10 -0000, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:47:21 -0500, John H. wrote:


I think you're making it all up.
Maybe he saw this Christmas parade. Scroll down to the great Bleedin'
Jesus controversy.

http://1episcopalvoice.blogspot.com/...1_archive.html

She hit it right on the head.

Some people just don't get it.


That pastor probably moved to Central Florida from North Florida.

I don't have the slightest problem with folks celebrating their religious
holidays publicly, so long as public funds are not involved, or if proper
compensation is paid if the public's facilities are used.

That said, I find it odious for live people to pretend they are Jesus on a
cross, being paraded through the streets. I'm not a big fan of idolatry.

I like fun religious festivals. When I was a kid the biggest summer
festival was always the Feast of the Assumption, which the Catholics
celebrated with a huge carnival in New Haven. Great eats, great fun, and
many spectacular looking Italian gals with beautiful dark hair and
Mediterranean skintones. Everything was yummy. Down here, we hit some of
the Greek festivals. Same reasons.


From Firesign Theatre's Powerhouse Church of the Presumptuous Assumption of
the Blinding Light, a hymn:


"Oh Blinding Light,
Oh Light that blinds,
I cannot see.
Look out for me."

Never mind.

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On Nov 27, 12:35 pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:03:31 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould





wrote:
On Nov 27, 4:05?am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:15:45 -0500, HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:37:04 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:

Colored spotlights, inflatable figures, plastic candy canes............the
list is endless! ? ;-)

Neon palm trees and flamingos are very popular here in south Florida.

(not home yet but making good progress)

One of the aspects of Florida I enjoyed the most when I lived there was
the absolute tastelessness on exhibit almost everywhere. I happened to
be in one dipstick Florida town one holiday season and got to see its
annual Christmas parade, in which the various fundie church
congregations ran floats depicting the crucifixion. Yes, they had live
guys up there on the cross. Well, gag me with a spoon.

Harry, I was raised Roman Catholic, have been to many religious festivals
and parades, and have lived all over this country and several different
parts of the world. I've never seen or heard of a live person displayed on
a cross, except at Oberammergau, Germany.

In the past couple weeks you've described two such incidents.

Remarkable.
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In San Miguel de Allende, in Mexico, the Good Friday religious parade
includes a live person dragging a heavy cross through the street of
town. To make the spectacle more realistic, they weave a crown of
thorns for the person portraying Jesus and jam it down on his head
until blood starts running down his face. No mention, however, of
anybody willing to have nails driven through the wrists or have his
shins broken to reenact an actual cruicifixion. Not to say that it
couldn't be done somewhere; people beat themselves with whips and
handle poison snakes in the name of religion, so how hard would it be
to imagine that some zealot gets up on a cross and pretends to be
crucified?

http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/trave.../gasemana.html

Most people probably don't know that the actual cause of death in
crucifixion is usually a form of drowning. With the lower legs broken,
the victim must rely upon arm strength to keep from literally
"sagging"
down the cross. When the body hangs down long enough with arms
stretched overhead, the lungs begin to fill up with fluid. Only by
pulling back to an full upright position can the lungs clear enough to
breath properly. Eventually the arms lose the required strength, and
the victim
drowns in his own fluid.

Not something most people would want to portray, I'd think.

I'm surprised that the Christ on a Cross parades that Harry mentioned
would have occured around Christmas. Don't the Catholics concentrate
more on images of the infant Jesus during this portion of the year
and the crucified Jesus during lent? Maybe he saw a Good Friday or
Easter parade back in FL? There are a lot of Hispanics in Florida
these days, which undoubtedly increases the percentage of practicing
Catholics.

He must have seen a "Stations of the Cross" parade around Good Friday.
Catholics celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ, just as do all the
other Christian sects.

Note that the death and crucifixion of Christ are something to be made fun
of by Harry. I find little redeeming quality in his comments or attitude.
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Well, you have to remember here, you are dealing with a fundie
liberal, they are among the most intolerant segments of our society.

Getting in the spirit ...
 

wrote:
On Nov 27, 12:35 pm, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:03:31 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould





wrote:
On Nov 27, 4:05?am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:15:45 -0500, HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:37:04 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:
Colored spotlights, inflatable figures, plastic candy canes............the
list is endless! ? ;-)
Neon palm trees and flamingos are very popular here in south Florida.
(not home yet but making good progress)
One of the aspects of Florida I enjoyed the most when I lived there was
the absolute tastelessness on exhibit almost everywhere. I happened to
be in one dipstick Florida town one holiday season and got to see its
annual Christmas parade, in which the various fundie church
congregations ran floats depicting the crucifixion. Yes, they had live
guys up there on the cross. Well, gag me with a spoon.
Harry, I was raised Roman Catholic, have been to many religious festivals
and parades, and have lived all over this country and several different
parts of the world. I've never seen or heard of a live person displayed on
a cross, except at Oberammergau, Germany.
In the past couple weeks you've described two such incidents.
Remarkable.
--
John H- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
In San Miguel de Allende, in Mexico, the Good Friday religious parade
includes a live person dragging a heavy cross through the street of
town. To make the spectacle more realistic, they weave a crown of
thorns for the person portraying Jesus and jam it down on his head
until blood starts running down his face. No mention, however, of
anybody willing to have nails driven through the wrists or have his
shins broken to reenact an actual cruicifixion. Not to say that it
couldn't be done somewhere; people beat themselves with whips and
handle poison snakes in the name of religion, so how hard would it be
to imagine that some zealot gets up on a cross and pretends to be
crucified?
http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/trave.../gasemana.html
Most people probably don't know that the actual cause of death in
crucifixion is usually a form of drowning. With the lower legs broken,
the victim must rely upon arm strength to keep from literally
"sagging"
down the cross. When the body hangs down long enough with arms
stretched overhead, the lungs begin to fill up with fluid. Only by
pulling back to an full upright position can the lungs clear enough to
breath properly. Eventually the arms lose the required strength, and
the victim
drowns in his own fluid.
Not something most people would want to portray, I'd think.
I'm surprised that the Christ on a Cross parades that Harry mentioned
would have occured around Christmas. Don't the Catholics concentrate
more on images of the infant Jesus during this portion of the year
and the crucified Jesus during lent? Maybe he saw a Good Friday or
Easter parade back in FL? There are a lot of Hispanics in Florida
these days, which undoubtedly increases the percentage of practicing
Catholics.
He must have seen a "Stations of the Cross" parade around Good Friday.
Catholics celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ, just as do all the
other Christian sects.

Note that the death and crucifixion of Christ are something to be made fun
of by Harry. I find little redeeming quality in his comments or attitude.
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, you have to remember here, you are dealing with a fundie
liberal, they are among the most intolerant segments of our society.


Neither you nor Herring have a clue about this.

Getting in the spirit ...
 

"HK" wrote in message
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Note that the death and crucifixion of Christ are something to be made
fun
of by Harry. I find little redeeming quality in his comments or
attitude.
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, you have to remember here, you are dealing with a fundie
liberal, they are among the most intolerant segments of our society.


Neither you nor Herring have a clue about this.


Remember the newsgroup rule:

"If I ain't seen it, it doesn't exist".

It's related to another rule:

"Without a web link, nothing exists".

Getting in the spirit ...
 

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

Note that the death and crucifixion of Christ are something to be made
fun
of by Harry. I find little redeeming quality in his comments or
attitude.
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Well, you have to remember here, you are dealing with a fundie
liberal, they are among the most intolerant segments of our society.

Neither you nor Herring have a clue about this.


Remember the newsgroup rule:

"If I ain't seen it, it doesn't exist".

It's related to another rule:

"Without a web link, nothing exists".




Ahh, yes, the "totally dependent upon Google newsgroup researchers."

Hey...it is free, and worthy every penny.

Getting in the spirit ...
 

HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

Note that the death and crucifixion of Christ are something to be
made fun
of by Harry. I find little redeeming quality in his comments or
attitude.
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Well, you have to remember here, you are dealing with a fundie
liberal, they are among the most intolerant segments of our society.

Neither you nor Herring have a clue about this.


Remember the newsgroup rule:

"If I ain't seen it, it doesn't exist".

It's related to another rule:

"Without a web link, nothing exists".



Ahh, yes, the "totally dependent upon Google newsgroup researchers."

Hey...it is free, and worthy every penny.

Harry,
I would doubt a small town would have any info on a small parade, and I
am sure you are correct, but I am curious, what town is it?

Getting in the spirit ...
 

HK wrote:


No, John, for the fifth time, it was not DONE by a Baptist church. It
was a Christmas parade. I don't know who the overall sponsor was, but
there were many organizations participating, including a bunch of fundie
churches with live Jesus on a cross floats. Got it? Now, how do I know
they were fundie churches? There isn't hardly anything else out there,
or wasn't when I was a visitor. Even the Presbyterians weren't out there
back then.

That must have been real lucky for you to bump into a Christmas parade
in a tiny little town, without any newspapers, that was actually having
a Christmas parade as you were driving through. The best part is that
this parade was done by fundie's who tied people to the cross to
celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.

You are a very lucky guy. Was this about the same time you ran into
that bungler of a robber with your car?

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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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HK wrote:


No, John, for the fifth time, it was not DONE by a Baptist church. It was
a Christmas parade. I don't know who the overall sponsor was, but there
were many organizations participating, including a bunch of fundie
churches with live Jesus on a cross floats. Got it? Now, how do I know
they were fundie churches? There isn't hardly anything else out there, or
wasn't when I was a visitor. Even the Presbyterians weren't out there
back then.

That must have been real lucky for you to bump into a Christmas parade in
a tiny little town, without any newspapers, that was actually having a
Christmas parade as you were driving through. The best part is that this
parade was done by fundie's who tied people to the cross to celebrate the
birth of Jesus Christ.


Why are you pretending you didn't see this?
http://1episcopalvoice.blogspot.com/...1_archive.html

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On Nov 27, 4:38 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:
HK wrote:

No, John, for the fifth time, it was not DONE by a Baptist church. It
was a Christmas parade. I don't know who the overall sponsor was, but
there were many organizations participating, including a bunch of fundie
churches with live Jesus on a cross floats. Got it? Now, how do I know
they were fundie churches? There isn't hardly anything else out there,
or wasn't when I was a visitor. Even the Presbyterians weren't out there
back then.

That must have been real lucky for you to bump into a Christmas parade
in a tiny little town, without any newspapers, that was actually having
a Christmas parade as you were driving through. The best part is that
this parade was done by fundie's who tied people to the cross to
celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.

You are a very lucky guy. Was this about the same time you ran into
that bungler of a robber with your car?

Hey, are you trying to Lobsta' boat the guy during a political season?
Shame on you.