Getting in the spirit ...
 

Reginald Smithers III wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:

I'm surprised that the Christ on a Cross parades that Harry mentioned
would have occured around Christmas. Don't the Catholics concentrate
more on images of the infant Jesus during this portion of the year
and the crucified Jesus during lent? Maybe he saw a Good Friday or
Easter parade back in FL? There are a lot of Hispanics in Florida
these days, which undoubtedly increases the percentage of practicing
Catholics.

Chuck,
I would be willing to give very good odds that there is no Christ on a
Cross parage during the Christmas season. As I said, Harry saw a photo
of it, and didn't understand the time of year it is done, and who was
doing the parade.




How much you willing to put up, sh*t for brains? How about...$100,000?

It's not a Christ on a Cross parade. It is a Christmas parade, and as
part of it, there were guys on floats up there on crosses.

Getting in the spirit ...
 

On Nov 27, 8:29Â*am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 27, 4:05�am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:15:45 -0500, HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:37:04 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:
Colored spotlights, inflatable figures, plastic candy canes.............the
list is endless! � ;-)
Neon palm trees and flamingos are very popular here in south Florida.
(not home yet but making good progress)
One of the aspects of Florida I enjoyed the most when I lived there was
the absolute tastelessness on exhibit almost everywhere. I happened to
be in one dipstick Florida town one holiday season and got to see its
annual Christmas parade, in which the various fundie church
congregations ran floats depicting the crucifixion. Yes, they had live
guys up there on the cross. Well, gag me with a spoon.
Harry, I was raised Roman Catholic, have been to many religious festivals
and parades, and have lived all over this country and several different
parts of the world. I've never seen or heard of a live person displayed on
a cross, except at Oberammergau, Germany.

In the past couple weeks you've described two such incidents.

Remarkable.
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

In San Miguel de Allende, in Mexico, the Good Friday religious parade
includes a live person dragging a heavy cross through the street of
town. To make the spectacle more realistic, they weave a crown of
thorns for the person portraying Jesus and jam it down on his head
until blood starts running down his face. No mention, however, of
anybody willing to have nails driven through the wrists or have his
shins broken to reenact an actual cruicifixion. Not to say that it
couldn't be done somewhere; people beat themselves with whips and
handle poison snakes in the name of religion, so how hard would it be
to imagine that some zealot gets up on a cross and pretends to be
crucified?

Â*http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/trave.../gasemana.html

Most people probably don't know that the actual cause of death in
crucifixion is usually a form of drowning. With the lower legs broken,
the victim must rely upon arm strength to keep from literally
"sagging"
Â*down the cross. When the body hangs down long enough with arms
stretched overhead, the lungs begin to fill up with fluid. Only by
pulling back to an full upright position can the lungs clear enough to
breath properly. Eventually the arms lose the required strength, and
the victim
drowns in his own fluid.

Not something most people would want to portray, I'd think.

I'm surprised that the Christ on a Cross parades that Harry mentioned
would have occured around Christmas. Don't the Catholics concentrate
more on images of Â*the infant Jesus during this portion of the year
and the crucified Jesus during lent? Maybe he saw a Good Friday or
Easter parade back in FL? There are a lot of Hispanics in Florida
these days, which undoubtedly increases the percentage of practicing
Catholics.

A. These weren't Catholics...they were crazed fundies.
B. There were very few Latinos in the area where I saw the parade when I
saw it.
C. It was a Christmas parade.

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I'm not trying to debate what you saw, only remarking that it seemed
unusual.

(activate sense of humor here)
Harry, how do you visually determine the difference between a Catholic
and a "crazed fundie"?

Getting in the spirit ...
 

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 27, 8:29 am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 27, 4:05�am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:15:45 -0500, HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:37:04 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:
Colored spotlights, inflatable figures, plastic candy canes............the
list is endless! � ;-)
Neon palm trees and flamingos are very popular here in south Florida.
(not home yet but making good progress)
One of the aspects of Florida I enjoyed the most when I lived there was
the absolute tastelessness on exhibit almost everywhere. I happened to
be in one dipstick Florida town one holiday season and got to see its
annual Christmas parade, in which the various fundie church
congregations ran floats depicting the crucifixion. Yes, they had live
guys up there on the cross. Well, gag me with a spoon.
Harry, I was raised Roman Catholic, have been to many religious festivals
and parades, and have lived all over this country and several different
parts of the world. I've never seen or heard of a live person displayed on
a cross, except at Oberammergau, Germany.
In the past couple weeks you've described two such incidents.
Remarkable.
--
John H- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
In San Miguel de Allende, in Mexico, the Good Friday religious parade
includes a live person dragging a heavy cross through the street of
town. To make the spectacle more realistic, they weave a crown of
thorns for the person portraying Jesus and jam it down on his head
until blood starts running down his face. No mention, however, of
anybody willing to have nails driven through the wrists or have his
shins broken to reenact an actual cruicifixion. Not to say that it
couldn't be done somewhere; people beat themselves with whips and
handle poison snakes in the name of religion, so how hard would it be
to imagine that some zealot gets up on a cross and pretends to be
crucified?
http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/trave.../gasemana.html
Most people probably don't know that the actual cause of death in
crucifixion is usually a form of drowning. With the lower legs broken,
the victim must rely upon arm strength to keep from literally
"sagging"
down the cross. When the body hangs down long enough with arms
stretched overhead, the lungs begin to fill up with fluid. Only by
pulling back to an full upright position can the lungs clear enough to
breath properly. Eventually the arms lose the required strength, and
the victim
drowns in his own fluid.
Not something most people would want to portray, I'd think.
I'm surprised that the Christ on a Cross parades that Harry mentioned
would have occured around Christmas. Don't the Catholics concentrate
more on images of the infant Jesus during this portion of the year
and the crucified Jesus during lent? Maybe he saw a Good Friday or
Easter parade back in FL? There are a lot of Hispanics in Florida
these days, which undoubtedly increases the percentage of practicing
Catholics.
A. These weren't Catholics...they were crazed fundies.
B. There were very few Latinos in the area where I saw the parade when I
saw it.
C. It was a Christmas parade.

Next?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm not trying to debate what you saw, only remarking that it seemed
unusual.

(activate sense of humor here)
Harry, how do you visually determine the difference between a Catholic
and a "crazed fundie"?



I am very familiar with the Roman Catholic faith in the United States.
None of the Catholics I have ever known, and I have known and know a lot
of them, would ever climb up on a cross during a Christmas parade to
portray themselves as Jesus.

In South America, maybe. I've not seen that.

How do I know they were crazed fundies? When I saw the parade, I asked
my hosts, "Who are those nutcases?" and they told me. They weren't
Catholics; they were fundie Baptists.

Getting in the spirit ...
 

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:30:23 -0500, HK wrote:

How much you willing to put up, sh*t for brains? How about...$100,000?

Harry, I always find it interesting that a guy with your intelligence,
education and writing skills, finds it necessary to resort to
profanity to express your self.

In my opinion it does little to bolster your credibility.

Getting in the spirit ...
 

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:32:43 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

Harry, how do you visually determine the difference between a Catholic
and a "crazed fundie"?

OH OH!! ME!! ME!! ME!!

Oh wait - that's a yarmulke.

Dang - wrong faith. :)

Getting in the spirit ...
 

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:03:31 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Nov 27, 4:05?am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:15:45 -0500, HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:37:04 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:

Colored spotlights, inflatable figures, plastic candy canes............the
list is endless! ? ;-)

Neon palm trees and flamingos are very popular here in south Florida.

(not home yet but making good progress)

One of the aspects of Florida I enjoyed the most when I lived there was
the absolute tastelessness on exhibit almost everywhere. I happened to
be in one dipstick Florida town one holiday season and got to see its
annual Christmas parade, in which the various fundie church
congregations ran floats depicting the crucifixion. Yes, they had live
guys up there on the cross. Well, gag me with a spoon.

Harry, I was raised Roman Catholic, have been to many religious festivals
and parades, and have lived all over this country and several different
parts of the world. I've never seen or heard of a live person displayed on
a cross, except at Oberammergau, Germany.

In the past couple weeks you've described two such incidents.

Remarkable.
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

In San Miguel de Allende, in Mexico, the Good Friday religious parade
includes a live person dragging a heavy cross through the street of
town. To make the spectacle more realistic, they weave a crown of
thorns for the person portraying Jesus and jam it down on his head
until blood starts running down his face. No mention, however, of
anybody willing to have nails driven through the wrists or have his
shins broken to reenact an actual cruicifixion. Not to say that it
couldn't be done somewhere; people beat themselves with whips and
handle poison snakes in the name of religion, so how hard would it be
to imagine that some zealot gets up on a cross and pretends to be
crucified?

http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/trave.../gasemana.html

Most people probably don't know that the actual cause of death in
crucifixion is usually a form of drowning. With the lower legs broken,
the victim must rely upon arm strength to keep from literally
"sagging"
down the cross. When the body hangs down long enough with arms
stretched overhead, the lungs begin to fill up with fluid. Only by
pulling back to an full upright position can the lungs clear enough to
breath properly. Eventually the arms lose the required strength, and
the victim
drowns in his own fluid.

Not something most people would want to portray, I'd think.

I'm surprised that the Christ on a Cross parades that Harry mentioned
would have occured around Christmas. Don't the Catholics concentrate
more on images of the infant Jesus during this portion of the year
and the crucified Jesus during lent? Maybe he saw a Good Friday or
Easter parade back in FL? There are a lot of Hispanics in Florida
these days, which undoubtedly increases the percentage of practicing
Catholics.

He must have seen a "Stations of the Cross" parade around Good Friday.
Catholics celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ, just as do all the
other Christian sects.

Note that the death and crucifixion of Christ are something to be made fun
of by Harry. I find little redeeming quality in his comments or attitude.
--
John H

Getting in the spirit ...
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:30:23 -0500, HK wrote:

How much you willing to put up, sh*t for brains? How about...$100,000?

Harry, I always find it interesting that a guy with your intelligence,
education and writing skills, finds it necessary to resort to
profanity to express your self.

In my opinion it does little to bolster your credibility.



What profanity? Sh*t is neatly expurgated.

Getting in the spirit ...
 

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:03:31 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Nov 27, 4:05?am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:15:45 -0500, HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:37:04 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:
Colored spotlights, inflatable figures, plastic candy canes............the
list is endless! ? ;-)
Neon palm trees and flamingos are very popular here in south Florida.
(not home yet but making good progress)
One of the aspects of Florida I enjoyed the most when I lived there was
the absolute tastelessness on exhibit almost everywhere. I happened to
be in one dipstick Florida town one holiday season and got to see its
annual Christmas parade, in which the various fundie church
congregations ran floats depicting the crucifixion. Yes, they had live
guys up there on the cross. Well, gag me with a spoon.
Harry, I was raised Roman Catholic, have been to many religious festivals
and parades, and have lived all over this country and several different
parts of the world. I've never seen or heard of a live person displayed on
a cross, except at Oberammergau, Germany.

In the past couple weeks you've described two such incidents.

Remarkable.
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
In San Miguel de Allende, in Mexico, the Good Friday religious parade
includes a live person dragging a heavy cross through the street of
town. To make the spectacle more realistic, they weave a crown of
thorns for the person portraying Jesus and jam it down on his head
until blood starts running down his face. No mention, however, of
anybody willing to have nails driven through the wrists or have his
shins broken to reenact an actual cruicifixion. Not to say that it
couldn't be done somewhere; people beat themselves with whips and
handle poison snakes in the name of religion, so how hard would it be
to imagine that some zealot gets up on a cross and pretends to be
crucified?

http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/trave.../gasemana.html

Most people probably don't know that the actual cause of death in
crucifixion is usually a form of drowning. With the lower legs broken,
the victim must rely upon arm strength to keep from literally
"sagging"
down the cross. When the body hangs down long enough with arms
stretched overhead, the lungs begin to fill up with fluid. Only by
pulling back to an full upright position can the lungs clear enough to
breath properly. Eventually the arms lose the required strength, and
the victim
drowns in his own fluid.

Not something most people would want to portray, I'd think.

I'm surprised that the Christ on a Cross parades that Harry mentioned
would have occured around Christmas. Don't the Catholics concentrate
more on images of the infant Jesus during this portion of the year
and the crucified Jesus during lent? Maybe he saw a Good Friday or
Easter parade back in FL? There are a lot of Hispanics in Florida
these days, which undoubtedly increases the percentage of practicing
Catholics.

He must have seen a "Stations of the Cross" parade around Good Friday.
Catholics celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ, just as do all the
other Christian sects.

Note that the death and crucifixion of Christ are something to be made fun
of by Harry. I find little redeeming quality in his comments or attitude.


It wasn't a Stations of the Cross parade. It was a Christmas parade. The
paraders with the guys on a cross floats were not Catholics, nor did I
say or imply they were. You did. D'oh.

Also, I am not making fun of Jesus or the crucifixion. If you were a bit
more sophisticated, you might understand.

Getting in the spirit ...
 

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:44:55 -0500, HK wrote:

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 27, 8:29 am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 27, 4:05?am, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:15:45 -0500, HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:37:04 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:
Colored spotlights, inflatable figures, plastic candy canes............the
list is endless! ? ;-)
Neon palm trees and flamingos are very popular here in south Florida.
(not home yet but making good progress)
One of the aspects of Florida I enjoyed the most when I lived there was
the absolute tastelessness on exhibit almost everywhere. I happened to
be in one dipstick Florida town one holiday season and got to see its
annual Christmas parade, in which the various fundie church
congregations ran floats depicting the crucifixion. Yes, they had live
guys up there on the cross. Well, gag me with a spoon.
Harry, I was raised Roman Catholic, have been to many religious festivals
and parades, and have lived all over this country and several different
parts of the world. I've never seen or heard of a live person displayed on
a cross, except at Oberammergau, Germany.
In the past couple weeks you've described two such incidents.
Remarkable.
--
John H- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
In San Miguel de Allende, in Mexico, the Good Friday religious parade
includes a live person dragging a heavy cross through the street of
town. To make the spectacle more realistic, they weave a crown of
thorns for the person portraying Jesus and jam it down on his head
until blood starts running down his face. No mention, however, of
anybody willing to have nails driven through the wrists or have his
shins broken to reenact an actual cruicifixion. Not to say that it
couldn't be done somewhere; people beat themselves with whips and
handle poison snakes in the name of religion, so how hard would it be
to imagine that some zealot gets up on a cross and pretends to be
crucified?
http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/trave.../gasemana.html
Most people probably don't know that the actual cause of death in
crucifixion is usually a form of drowning. With the lower legs broken,
the victim must rely upon arm strength to keep from literally
"sagging"
down the cross. When the body hangs down long enough with arms
stretched overhead, the lungs begin to fill up with fluid. Only by
pulling back to an full upright position can the lungs clear enough to
breath properly. Eventually the arms lose the required strength, and
the victim
drowns in his own fluid.
Not something most people would want to portray, I'd think.
I'm surprised that the Christ on a Cross parades that Harry mentioned
would have occured around Christmas. Don't the Catholics concentrate
more on images of the infant Jesus during this portion of the year
and the crucified Jesus during lent? Maybe he saw a Good Friday or
Easter parade back in FL? There are a lot of Hispanics in Florida
these days, which undoubtedly increases the percentage of practicing
Catholics.
A. These weren't Catholics...they were crazed fundies.
B. There were very few Latinos in the area where I saw the parade when I
saw it.
C. It was a Christmas parade.

Next?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm not trying to debate what you saw, only remarking that it seemed
unusual.

(activate sense of humor here)
Harry, how do you visually determine the difference between a Catholic
and a "crazed fundie"?



I am very familiar with the Roman Catholic faith in the United States.
None of the Catholics I have ever known, and I have known and know a lot
of them, would ever climb up on a cross during a Christmas parade to
portray themselves as Jesus.

In South America, maybe. I've not seen that.

How do I know they were crazed fundies? When I saw the parade, I asked
my hosts, "Who are those nutcases?" and they told me. They weren't
Catholics; they were fundie Baptists.

Harry, I really believe you are making this up as you go. Hopefully,
someone will believe you.
--
John H

Getting in the spirit ...
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..


How do I know they were crazed fundies? When I saw the parade, I asked my
hosts, "Who are those nutcases?" and they told me. They weren't Catholics;
they were fundie Baptists.



That is a bit strange Harry.

The figure of Jesus on the cross is more of a Catholic and "high" Protestant
tradition.
Baptists ... "fundie" or not .... don't depict a figure hanging on a cross,
not even in their churches.

Baptists, by tradition, celebrate the life, not the death of Christ in their
rituals.

http://www.teddingtonbaptist.org.uk/tbctour.htm

Eisboch