"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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Even those of us who usually burn B20 are still using 80% dino-diesel.
Most of the crude oil the refiners use to create gasoline and diesel
comes from places that are explicitly unfriendly to the US, (and
according to the following article the Bush Administration is
concerned that some of those sources are bankrolling huge amounts of
capital for an eventual destabilizing financial assualt on the US
economy. It's not too late for Russia or China to win the final battle
in the Cold War).

However, also acording to the following article there is a source for
crude oil that takes a very enlightened approach to using its oil
wealth. The citizens of this country earn a per capita income (not
"family income", but per capita) of $65,509 per year, spend a maximum
of $200 per yar for health care, are in better physical shape and
enjoy a longer life expectancy than most Americans.

I hope that the next time I buy fuel, the crude oil comes from Norway.
(Probably won't, though).


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...=1&cs et=true

You don't get much health care for 200 dollars per year. Laundering it
through the government or paying for it with oil revenue instead of
distributing the revenue to the people doesn't mean you aren't spending
it. What is the per capita spending on health care?

On Nov 21, 4:58�pm, "Del Cecchi"
wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

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Even those of us who usually burn B20 are still using 80% dino-diesel.
Most of the crude oil the refiners use to create gasoline and diesel
comes from places that are explicitly unfriendly to the US, (and
according to the following article the Bush Administration is
concerned that some of those sources are bankrolling huge amounts of
capital for an eventual destabilizing financial assualt on the US
economy. It's not too late for Russia or China to win the final battle
in the Cold War).

However, also acording to the following article there is a source for
crude oil that takes a very enlightened approach to using its oil
wealth. The citizens of this country earn a per capita income (not
"family income", but per capita) of $65,509 per year, spend a maximum
of $200 per yar for health care, are in better physical shape and
enjoy a longer life expectancy than most Americans.

I hope that the next time I buy fuel, the crude oil comes from Norway.
(Probably won't, though).

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...ay_hundley_bdn...

You don't get much health care for 200 dollars per year. �Laundering it
through the government or paying for it with oil revenue instead of
distributing the revenue to the people doesn't mean you aren't spending
it. �What is the per capita spending on health care?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The rest of the health care is paid for with tax dollars. As Bill P
posted above, the Norwegians make enough money to pay the higher taxes
and still have just a whisker more per-capita "spending money" than
the average US resident.

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:41:14 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Nov 21, 4:58?pm, "Del Cecchi"
wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

...



Even those of us who usually burn B20 are still using 80% dino-diesel.
Most of the crude oil the refiners use to create gasoline and diesel
comes from places that are explicitly unfriendly to the US, (and
according to the following article the Bush Administration is
concerned that some of those sources are bankrolling huge amounts of
capital for an eventual destabilizing financial assualt on the US
economy. It's not too late for Russia or China to win the final battle
in the Cold War).

However, also acording to the following article there is a source for
crude oil that takes a very enlightened approach to using its oil
wealth. The citizens of this country earn a per capita income (not
"family income", but per capita) of $65,509 per year, spend a maximum
of $200 per yar for health care, are in better physical shape and
enjoy a longer life expectancy than most Americans.

I hope that the next time I buy fuel, the crude oil comes from Norway.
(Probably won't, though).

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...ay_hundley_bdn...

You don't get much health care for 200 dollars per year. ?Laundering it
through the government or paying for it with oil revenue instead of
distributing the revenue to the people doesn't mean you aren't spending
it. ?What is the per capita spending on health care?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The rest of the health care is paid for with tax dollars. As Bill P
posted above, the Norwegians make enough money to pay the higher taxes
and still have just a whisker more per-capita "spending money" than
the average US resident.

Because they had enough sense to drill for oil in their back yard. Don't
forget that. They've purposely destroyed their entire environment just so
their people could live like kings and queens.
--
John H

On Nov 21, 5:55�pm, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:41:14 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould





wrote:
On Nov 21, 4:58?pm, "Del Cecchi"
wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

...

Even those of us who usually burn B20 are still using 80% dino-diesel..
Most of the crude oil the refiners use to create gasoline and diesel
comes from places that are explicitly unfriendly to the US, (and
according to the following article the Bush Administration is
concerned that some of those sources are bankrolling huge amounts of
capital for an eventual destabilizing financial assualt on the US
economy. It's not too late for Russia or China to win the final battle
in the Cold War).

However, also acording to the following article there is a source for
crude oil that takes a very enlightened approach to using its oil
wealth. The citizens of this country earn a per capita income (not
"family income", but per capita) of $65,509 per year, spend a maximum
of $200 per yar for health care, are in better physical shape and
enjoy a longer life expectancy than most Americans.

I hope that the next time I buy fuel, the crude oil comes from Norway..
(Probably won't, though).

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...ay_hundley_bdn....

You don't get much health care for 200 dollars per year. ?Laundering it
through the government or paying for it with oil revenue instead of
distributing the revenue to the people doesn't mean you aren't spending
it. ?What is the per capita spending on health care?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The rest of the health care is paid for with tax dollars. As Bill P
posted above, the Norwegians make enough money to pay the higher taxes
and still have just a whisker more per-capita "spending money" than
the average US resident.

Because they had enough sense to drill for oil in their back yard. Don't
forget that. They've purposely destroyed their entire environment just so
their people could live like kings and queens.
--
John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

John, we drilled for oil in our own backyard decades ago. Found a lot
of it, too. That cheap and abundant oil fostered some incredible
economic prosperity in this country for many decades. It's no longer
cheap or abundant. There is more oil that could be drilled, but we
have picked all the low-hanging fruit.

At some point we need to evaluate the trade-offs between oil and other
valid considerations. For instance, we know there is enough oil in the
Artic National Wildlife Refuge to supply all of this nation's oil
requirements for about 90 days (if we were getting oil from no other
source at the same time). There is a legitimate question to consider;
is the limited amount of oil to be recovered worth despoiling the
irreplaceable ANWR? People hold differing opinions.

Where should we drill? How about Yellowstone National Park?
Maybe we should line the bottom of the Grand Canyon with derricks?
How about the vacant lot across the street from your house, or your
neighborhood playground.....good spots for oil rigs?

The secret to future prosperity in the US does not (IMO) rest in
finding additional fuel to get another decade or two out of what can
only be a transitional technology (petro-fueled internal combution
engines). We should be working non-stop to be the *first*
technologically adept society to leave the IC engine behind for
good.That's what we did when we gave up on the steam engine 75-80
years ago, and look how we flourished for a while. I wonder if, back
then, lots of people were campaigning to mine more coal to provide a
constant supply of cheap fuel for steam engines?

Because they had enough sense to drill for oil in their back yard. Don't
forget that. They've purposely destroyed their entire environment just so
their people could live like kings and queens.

It's phenomenally short-sighted to think drilling locally is a good idea,
it's not. Given the rapidly declining oil reserves world-wide it's FAR
BETTER to buy oil from overseas NOW and bleed them dry. Sure, you boost
their local economies, but that'll crash and burn HARD once their oil runs
out. By then we'll have engineered our own superior solutions and continue
to march forward.

On Nov 23, 7:20�am, "Bill Kearney" wkearney-99@hot-mail-com wrote:
Because they had enough sense to drill for oil in their back yard. Don't
forget that. They've purposely destroyed their entire environment just so
their people could live like kings and queens.

It's phenomenally short-sighted to think drilling locally is a good idea,
it's not. �Given the rapidly declining oil reserves world-wide it's FAR
BETTER to buy oil from overseas NOW and bleed them dry. �Sure, you boost
their local economies, but that'll crash and burn HARD once their oil runs
out. �By then we'll have engineered our own superior solutions and continue
to march forward.

There is mounting concern that many of the countries who sell us oil
but hate our guts (and there's a long list) may be stockpiling cash
for a financial assault on the American economy.

Think of the damage that even a 100 billion dollars, used without
regard to whether it would ever be recovered, could do to the US
securities market.....the chain reaction throughout the economy could
be catastrophic. The people who hate our guts know that trying to
bring America down by defeating the military is almost
impossible....but destroying the country by first destroying the
economy is a little more doable.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
...
On Nov 23, 7:20?am, "Bill Kearney" wkearney-99@hot-mail-com wrote:
Because they had enough sense to drill for oil in their back yard. Don't
forget that. They've purposely destroyed their entire environment just
so
their people could live like kings and queens.

It's phenomenally short-sighted to think drilling locally is a good idea,
it's not. ?Given the rapidly declining oil reserves world-wide it's FAR
BETTER to buy oil from overseas NOW and bleed them dry. ?Sure, you boost
their local economies, but that'll crash and burn HARD once their oil runs
out. ?By then we'll have engineered our own superior solutions and
continue
to march forward.

There is mounting concern that many of the countries who sell us oil
but hate our guts (and there's a long list) may be stockpiling cash
for a financial assault on the American economy.

Think of the damage that even a 100 billion dollars, used without
regard to whether it would ever be recovered, could do to the US
securities market.....the chain reaction throughout the economy could
be catastrophic. The people who hate our guts know that trying to
bring America down by defeating the military is almost
impossible....but destroying the country by first destroying the
economy is a little more doable.

Japanese have been trying it for years.

CalifBill wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
...
On Nov 23, 7:20?am, "Bill Kearney" wkearney-99@hot-mail-com wrote:
Because they had enough sense to drill for oil in their back yard. Don't
forget that. They've purposely destroyed their entire environment just
so
their people could live like kings and queens.
It's phenomenally short-sighted to think drilling locally is a good idea,
it's not. ?Given the rapidly declining oil reserves world-wide it's FAR
BETTER to buy oil from overseas NOW and bleed them dry. ?Sure, you boost
their local economies, but that'll crash and burn HARD once their oil runs
out. ?By then we'll have engineered our own superior solutions and
continue
to march forward.

There is mounting concern that many of the countries who sell us oil
but hate our guts (and there's a long list) may be stockpiling cash
for a financial assault on the American economy.

Think of the damage that even a 100 billion dollars, used without
regard to whether it would ever be recovered, could do to the US
securities market.....the chain reaction throughout the economy could
be catastrophic. The people who hate our guts know that trying to
bring America down by defeating the military is almost
impossible....but destroying the country by first destroying the
economy is a little more doable.

Japanese have been trying it for years.




You think our multinational corporations and hedge fund managers need
help in destroying this country?

On Nov 23, 10:43Â*am, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 23, 7:20�am, "Bill Kearney" wkearney-99@hot-mail-com wrote:

Because they had enough sense to drill for oil in their back yard. Don't
forget that. They've purposely destroyed their entire environment just so
their people could live like kings and queens.

It's phenomenally short-sighted to think drilling locally is a good idea,
it's not. �Given the rapidly declining oil reserves world-wide it's FAR
BETTER to buy oil from overseas NOW and bleed them dry. �Sure, you boost
their local economies, but that'll crash and burn HARD once their oil runs
out. �By then we'll have engineered our own superior solutions and continue
to march forward.

There is mounting concern that many of the countries who sell us oil
but hate our guts (and there's a long list) may be stockpiling cash
for a financial assault on the American economy.

I remember the old guys (when I was little I was always the kid
hanging out with the old folks, listening to the stories) talking
about some famous Chineese leader that stated that they would
eventually take down the US without firing a shot. Someone said the
Nipponeese have been trying that for years, but they only wanted our
economy and were not influencial (economically) enough to do it,
although they have taken a good chunk. But you put Russia, China,
Chunks of South America, and most of the middle east together, have
control of more than enough resources (oil, money, manufactured
products, etc.) they could shut us down in 30 days.


Think of the damage that even a 100 billion dollars, used without
regard to whether it would ever be recovered, could do to the US
securities market.....the chain reaction throughout the economy could
be catastrophic. The people who hate our guts know that trying to
bring America down by defeating the military is almost
impossible....but destroying the country by first destroying the
economy is a little more doable.

wrote:
On Nov 23, 10:43 am, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 23, 7:20�am, "Bill Kearney" wkearney-99@hot-mail-com wrote:

Because they had enough sense to drill for oil in their back yard. Don't
forget that. They've purposely destroyed their entire environment just so
their people could live like kings and queens.
It's phenomenally short-sighted to think drilling locally is a good idea,
it's not. �Given the rapidly declining oil reserves world-wide it's FAR
BETTER to buy oil from overseas NOW and bleed them dry. �Sure, you boost
their local economies, but that'll crash and burn HARD once their oil runs
out. �By then we'll have engineered our own superior solutions and continue
to march forward.
There is mounting concern that many of the countries who sell us oil
but hate our guts (and there's a long list) may be stockpiling cash
for a financial assault on the American economy.

I remember the old guys (when I was little I was always the kid
hanging out with the old folks, listening to the stories) talking
about some famous Chineese leader that stated that they would
eventually take down the US without firing a shot. Someone said the
Nipponeese have been trying that for years, but they only wanted our
economy and were not influencial (economically) enough to do it,
although they have taken a good chunk. But you put Russia, China,
Chunks of South America, and most of the middle east together, have
control of more than enough resources (oil, money, manufactured
products, etc.) they could shut us down in 30 days.

Sun Tzu taught us about war. War is not always armies on the battlefield
it can and is businesses in the marketplace.