On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:00:02 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:49:13 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:


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Let us all give thanks to Thomas Crapper for this wonderful invention.

Which is also used on boats, so it's appropriate.

http://www.cwwa.ca/internationalwaterdays_e.asp

I cannot wait to find out what we celebrate tomorrow! ;-)

Armageddon.

Hey, that was my guess for the other day. You plagiarizing?

Yep.

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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:47:49 -0500, HK wrote:


I suspect neither of you know what a steamfitter does. He doesn't
replace sewage traps.

I know what a steam/pipe fitter does.

It's a five year apprentice ship program - just like a freakin'
plumber.

The only difference is steam/high pressure welding.

Most of the union qualified welders flunked our basic vacuum welding (TIG)
test.
And, (scaringly) some held a "N" code for nuclear related welding.

Eisboch

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:47:49 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:42:06 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:41:41 -0500, HK wrote:

It takes a lot more education, training, and skill to become a
steamfitter than it does to become a college graduate.
Harry - give it up - please, you are making an ass of yourself.
Do you know where Harry went to college? Hell, it probably takes the Navy
about 16 weeks to train one.
I suspect neither of you know what a steamfitter does. He doesn't
replace sewage traps.

I know what a steam/pipe fitter does.

It's a five year apprentice ship program - just like a freakin'
plumber.

The only difference is steam/high pressure welding.

I wonder if they could quote me a better price on replacing my mom's
trap. ;(

JimH wrote:
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:41:41 -0500, HK wrote:

It takes a lot more education, training, and skill to become a
steamfitter than it does to become a college graduate.
Harry - give it up - please, you are making an ass of yourself.

4 years for a college grad. 5 years for a steamfitter.

Eh?



Do they get paid during those 5 years?

"Reginald Smithers III" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:41:41 -0500, HK wrote:

It takes a lot more education, training, and skill to become a
steamfitter than it does to become a college graduate.
Harry - give it up - please, you are making an ass of yourself.

4 years for a college grad. 5 years for a steamfitter.

Eh?

Do they get paid during those 5 years?


Of course. And the major qualification is the 5 years .... not competence.

Eisboch

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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:47:49 -0500, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:42:06 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:41:41 -0500, HK wrote:

It takes a lot more education, training, and skill to become a
steamfitter than it does to become a college graduate.
Harry - give it up - please, you are making an ass of yourself.

Do you know where Harry went to college? Hell, it probably takes the
Navy
about 16 weeks to train one.

I suspect neither of you know what a steamfitter does. He doesn't
replace sewage traps.

I know what a steam/pipe fitter does.

It's a five year apprentice ship program - just like a freakin'
plumber.

The only difference is steam/high pressure welding.

Add another (minimum) 6 months for that skill and certification Tom. Add
other time for high pressure vessel training and you cannot compare a
plumber to a steam pipe fitter.

The training requirements and potential exposures are worlds apart.

Not to start an argument with you but you are way off base on this one.


Bull.

Eisboch

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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:49:13 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Let us all give thanks to Thomas Crapper for this wonderful invention.

Which is also used on boats, so it's appropriate.

http://www.cwwa.ca/internationalwaterdays_e.asp

I cannot wait to find out what we celebrate tomorrow! ;-)

Armageddon.


Anybody watch that half hour cable program on the prophecies for year 2012.
Better enjoy your boating now...... things could get nasty in 5 years.

" JimH" ask wrote in message
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It takes a lot more education, training, and skill to become a
steamfitter than it does to become a college graduate.
Harry - give it up - please, you are making an ass of yourself.

4 years for a college grad. 5 years for a steamfitter.

Eh?

Do they get paid during those 5 years?


What difference does that make?


A huge difference.

When one becomes "union", one immediately gets all the benefits of being so,
as long as your dues are up to date.

Paid apprenticships.
Paid journeymen status.
Union provided security.

If you screw up, the union has a gazillion lawyers to protect you.

The otherwise competent non-union guys probably go out of business and may
lose their houses as well.

There are very good and qualified union tradespeople out there.
There are also very good and qualified non-union tradespeople as well.

Eisboch

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JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
news On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:41:41 -0500, HK wrote:

It takes a lot more education, training, and skill to become a
steamfitter than it does to become a college graduate.
Harry - give it up - please, you are making an ass of yourself.

4 years for a college grad. 5 years for a steamfitter.

Eh?

Do they get paid during those 5 years?


Of course.

Irrelevant.


And the major qualification is the 5 years .... not competence.

Eisboch


That may be the key. I wonder what the final certification
qualifications are Do you know?


Yup. And you don't have to be union to earn them.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
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JimH wrote:
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news On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:41:41 -0500, HK wrote:

It takes a lot more education, training, and skill to become a
steamfitter than it does to become a college graduate.
Harry - give it up - please, you are making an ass of yourself.
4 years for a college grad. 5 years for a steamfitter.

Eh?
Do they get paid during those 5 years?


Of course. And the major qualification is the 5 years .... not competence.

Eisboch



Of course, that was a rhetorical question. There is a world of
difference between someone going to school for 4 -5 yrs, and getting
paid to work.

The problem union workers have is they don't deliver the increase in
productivity and quality to justify their cost.