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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:11:05 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:55:18 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote: The Chesapeake Bay has a huge amount of commercial traffic. Head boats, party boats, car carriers, container ships, LNG ships. Yes, and they travel at 20+ kts leaving a pretty big bow wave that travels for miles. So who was talking about commercial traffic? We were. What diference does it make? A wake is a wake. Deal with it, as soon as Lake Eerie warms up 6 or 7 months from now. Cleveland was on the 6 o'clock news tonight and the weather looked miserable, nice medical center though. Waine, you misspelled Lake Erie. Just a heads up. --Vic |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:11:05 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:55:18 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote: The Chesapeake Bay has a huge amount of commercial traffic. Head boats, party boats, car carriers, container ships, LNG ships. Yes, and they travel at 20+ kts leaving a pretty big bow wave that travels for miles. So who was talking about commercial traffic? We were. What diference does it make? A wake is a wake. Deal with it, as soon as Lake Eerie warms up 6 or 7 months from now. Cleveland was on the 6 o'clock news tonight and the weather looked miserable, nice medical center though. I know you've been on LIS up near The Race when a sub comes out of New London. I swear, it's about the only time I've ever been surprized by the size and depth of a wake - had just about enough time to quarter the three waves or I would have taken a ton of water aboard the Ranger. Talk about a wake. :) DEAl with IT |
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HK wrote:
Harry, Do you read what SWS said to Charile and BAR when they were accusing you of not owning a lobster boat? It is just as boring and stupid when you do the same thing. Sorry, Reggie, but I don't pay much attention to the crap posted here by the likes of BAR and Charile. In fact, I don't even recall a Charile. Perhaps you like reading the posts of idiots on a regular basis, but I do not. There's no reason to believe you have a boat. Sorry you missed SWS's post, he was basically saying that the subject of who has a boat and who makes up bs really is stupid, and gets real old real fast, that only an idiot would keep it up. I am paraphrasing, so it isn't exactly the way he said it, but I think that was the jest of it. |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:11:05 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:55:18 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote: The Chesapeake Bay has a huge amount of commercial traffic. Head boats, party boats, car carriers, container ships, LNG ships. Yes, and they travel at 20+ kts leaving a pretty big bow wave that travels for miles. So who was talking about commercial traffic? We were. What diference does it make? A wake is a wake. Deal with it, as soon as Lake Eerie warms up 6 or 7 months from now. Cleveland was on the 6 o'clock news tonight and the weather looked miserable, nice medical center though. Waine, you misspelled Lake Erie. Just a heads up. --Vic is it spelled with a small e? Like e e cummings? |
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On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:25:04 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: I know you've been on LIS up near The Race when a sub comes out of New London. I swear, it's about the only time I've ever been surprized by the size and depth of a wake - had just about enough time to quarter the three waves or I would have taken a ton of water aboard the Ranger. Talk about a wake. :) They are impressive, unusual shape also. |
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:56:43 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Talk about a wake. :) DEAl with IT Now your talking like a real sailor. |
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:26:44 -0500, HK wrote:
I've never seen one at that speed in the areas of the Bay I frequent, usually from the Pax River north to the Baltimore area. We clocked a car carrier at 16 or 17 up that way in the main channel, still moving right along for a big hulk. |
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:15:02 -0500, HK wrote:
So, what's the approximate bill on that dropped tranny? Probably find out by mid week. It won't be cheap, but better than worrying about it on the way home. |
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:56:43 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:11:05 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:55:18 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote: The Chesapeake Bay has a huge amount of commercial traffic. Head boats, party boats, car carriers, container ships, LNG ships. Yes, and they travel at 20+ kts leaving a pretty big bow wave that travels for miles. So who was talking about commercial traffic? We were. What diference does it make? A wake is a wake. Deal with it, as soon as Lake Eerie warms up 6 or 7 months from now. Cleveland was on the 6 o'clock news tonight and the weather looked miserable, nice medical center though. I know you've been on LIS up near The Race when a sub comes out of New London. I swear, it's about the only time I've ever been surprized by the size and depth of a wake - had just about enough time to quarter the three waves or I would have taken a ton of water aboard the Ranger. Talk about a wake. :) DEAl with IT I did - quite well in fact. :) |
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:14:14 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:25:04 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: I know you've been on LIS up near The Race when a sub comes out of New London. I swear, it's about the only time I've ever been surprized by the size and depth of a wake - had just about enough time to quarter the three waves or I would have taken a ton of water aboard the Ranger. Talk about a wake. :) They are impressive, unusual shape also. Very sharp resulting in a steep wave front very close together - always come in sets of three. It's like dropping off the edge of a cliff. |
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:20:28 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:15:02 -0500, HK wrote: So, what's the approximate bill on that dropped tranny? Probably find out by mid week. It won't be cheap, but better than worrying about it on the way home. Pay the mechanic in Quatloos. The Intergalactic Exchange Rate is in your favour. :) |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: Harry, Do you read what SWS said to Charile and BAR when they were accusing you of not owning a lobster boat? It is just as boring and stupid when you do the same thing. Sorry, Reggie, but I don't pay much attention to the crap posted here by the likes of BAR and Charile. In fact, I don't even recall a Charile. Perhaps you like reading the posts of idiots on a regular basis, but I do not. There's no reason to believe you have a boat. Sorry you missed SWS's post, he was basically saying that the subject of who has a boat and who makes up bs really is stupid, and gets real old real fast, that only an idiot would keep it up. I am paraphrasing, so it isn't exactly the way he said it, but I think that was the jest of it. Why don't you entertain us a bit more with your lack of knowledge about Windows? |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: I know you've been on LIS up near The Race when a sub comes out of New London. I swear, it's about the only time I've ever been surprized by the size and depth of a wake - had just about enough time to quarter the three waves or I would have taken a ton of water aboard the Ranger. Talk about a wake. :) Maybe 10-15 years ago, one of those sub bow waves capsized a commercial fishing boat near the Kings Bay sub base in Georgia, and my memory on the event is vague, but I think there were drowning deaths. The sub captain, an arrogant ass, said something like "deal with it." He's driving a bait boat now. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote
http://blizzard.zmm.com/whips/movie.wmv There are some alternatives to the mooring whips which I've seen used elsewhere and would be more effective: Thanks for the suggestions. A lift would be great, but I just can't justify the expense. A lot of people here use floating lifts, the kind with a pair of pontoons that you sink under the boat and then inflate with an air pump to raise it. They look a little precarious to me, with their relatively high center of gravity. Fixed lifts are a bit of a problem in most places here because the slope of the bank make it difficult to get a good footing on the bottom. The water is about 12 feet deep at the edge of my dock, and continues at that angle for quite some distance. A mooring ball would be handy, but I'd probably need some kind of dispensation from the Corpse of Engineers to put something that far out toward the channel, and again I'd have the problem of anchoring it on the slope. The mooring whips are doing the job well enough for now. |
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On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:29:08 -0500, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote: Fixed lifts are a bit of a problem in most places here because the slope of the bank make it difficult to get a good footing on the bottom. The best type of lift is installed on driven pilings. It makes the bottom contour irrelevant and there is no metal in the water. http://www.dolphinboatlifts.com/Cradle.htm In my area of Florida everyone uses this type, power or sail. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:18:44 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:43:30 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: I've stayed out of this mostly because I have a different view. Which I am NOT going to share. :) ================================= Why should you be different? :-) PS, If you are concerned about your low wake, get a bigger, heavier boat. It will make all the difference. :-) ) The odd thing is that I couldn't make a decent wake if I tried. :) Not enough Irish in you. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:08:26 -0500, HK wrote: Stop splitting hairs, Reggie. At really low speeds, my boat leaves a practically flat wake that isn't going to cause any small boats nearby any grief. And how often do you run at really low speed? We thought you were on the fast track, getting out to those fish as quickly as possible. Virtually everyone I know with a boat that will run at planing speeds can't wait to get up and moving because the ride is so miserable at slow speed. Obviously your circle is filled with jerks. We spend some time exploring the smaller rivers and creeks around here, and when we do, slow speeds are the way to go. My Parker rides just fine at slow speeds, and at those speeds, you can barely hear the engine and there is no exhaust smell. It's great being out in all that air, just a few feet above the water. You see things you simply cannot see if you're on an RV barge. Of course, you wouldn't be able to take that oversized, diesel-smelling barge into some of the waters we frequent... And my type boat can explore those same streams and rivers when they are shallower and at speed. |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: I know you've been on LIS up near The Race when a sub comes out of New London. I swear, it's about the only time I've ever been surprized by the size and depth of a wake - had just about enough time to quarter the three waves or I would have taken a ton of water aboard the Ranger. Talk about a wake. :) Maybe 10-15 years ago, one of those sub bow waves capsized a commercial fishing boat near the Kings Bay sub base in Georgia, and my memory on the event is vague, but I think there were drowning deaths. The sub captain, an arrogant ass, said something like "deal with it." He's driving a bait boat now. I doubt that. The subs that use to base at Mare Island always had CG escorts. And the bow wave exceeds anything else that I have ever witnessed as to wakes. And I fish near a couple of the offshore channels to SF bay. |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: I know you've been on LIS up near The Race when a sub comes out of New London. I swear, it's about the only time I've ever been surprized by the size and depth of a wake - had just about enough time to quarter the three waves or I would have taken a ton of water aboard the Ranger. Talk about a wake. :) Maybe 10-15 years ago, one of those sub bow waves capsized a commercial fishing boat near the Kings Bay sub base in Georgia, and my memory on the event is vague, but I think there were drowning deaths. The sub captain, an arrogant ass, said something like "deal with it." He's driving a bait boat now. I doubt that. The subs that use to base at Mare Island always had CG escorts. And the bow wave exceeds anything else that I have ever witnessed as to wakes. And I fish near a couple of the offshore channels to SF bay. You can doubt it all you wish. It was covered on the TV news in Jax, and there were a couple of articles in the area newspapers. |
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On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:42:51 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: I know you've been on LIS up near The Race when a sub comes out of New London. I swear, it's about the only time I've ever been surprized by the size and depth of a wake - had just about enough time to quarter the three waves or I would have taken a ton of water aboard the Ranger. Talk about a wake. :) Maybe 10-15 years ago, one of those sub bow waves capsized a commercial fishing boat near the Kings Bay sub base in Georgia, and my memory on the event is vague, but I think there were drowning deaths. The sub captain, an arrogant ass, said something like "deal with it." He's driving a bait boat now. I doubt that. The subs that use to base at Mare Island always had CG escorts. And the bow wave exceeds anything else that I have ever witnessed as to wakes. And I fish near a couple of the offshore channels to SF bay. Bow wave/wake - same damn thing in effect. :) |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message ... "HK" wrote in message . .. Maybe 10-15 years ago, one of those sub bow waves capsized a commercial fishing boat near the Kings Bay sub base in Georgia, and my memory on the event is vague, but I think there were drowning deaths. The sub captain, an arrogant ass, said something like "deal with it." He's driving a bait boat now. I doubt that. The subs that use to base at Mare Island always had CG escorts. And the bow wave exceeds anything else that I have ever witnessed as to wakes. And I fish near a couple of the offshore channels to SF bay. Subs are always escorted out of near harbor areas and an exclusion zone for other boat traffic is strictly enforced. Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message ... "HK" wrote in message . .. Maybe 10-15 years ago, one of those sub bow waves capsized a commercial fishing boat near the Kings Bay sub base in Georgia, and my memory on the event is vague, but I think there were drowning deaths. The sub captain, an arrogant ass, said something like "deal with it." He's driving a bait boat now. I doubt that. The subs that use to base at Mare Island always had CG escorts. And the bow wave exceeds anything else that I have ever witnessed as to wakes. And I fish near a couple of the offshore channels to SF bay. Subs are always escorted out of near harbor areas and an exclusion zone for other boat traffic is strictly enforced. Eisboch Which doesn't prevent a bow wave from capsizing nearby boats. |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "Calif Bill" wrote in message ... "HK" wrote in message . .. Maybe 10-15 years ago, one of those sub bow waves capsized a commercial fishing boat near the Kings Bay sub base in Georgia, and my memory on the event is vague, but I think there were drowning deaths. The sub captain, an arrogant ass, said something like "deal with it." He's driving a bait boat now. I doubt that. The subs that use to base at Mare Island always had CG escorts. And the bow wave exceeds anything else that I have ever witnessed as to wakes. And I fish near a couple of the offshore channels to SF bay. Subs are always escorted out of near harbor areas and an exclusion zone for other boat traffic is strictly enforced. Eisboch Which doesn't prevent a bow wave from capsizing nearby boats. I am not claiming it didn't happen. I am just saying that every precaution is taken that it won't. What was the size of the commercial fishing boat, anyway? Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "Calif Bill" wrote in message ... "HK" wrote in message . .. Maybe 10-15 years ago, one of those sub bow waves capsized a commercial fishing boat near the Kings Bay sub base in Georgia, and my memory on the event is vague, but I think there were drowning deaths. The sub captain, an arrogant ass, said something like "deal with it." He's driving a bait boat now. I doubt that. The subs that use to base at Mare Island always had CG escorts. And the bow wave exceeds anything else that I have ever witnessed as to wakes. And I fish near a couple of the offshore channels to SF bay. Subs are always escorted out of near harbor areas and an exclusion zone for other boat traffic is strictly enforced. Eisboch Which doesn't prevent a bow wave from capsizing nearby boats. I am not claiming it didn't happen. I am just saying that every precaution is taken that it won't. What was the size of the commercial fishing boat, anyway? Eisboch Hell, it was when I lived in the Jax area...I don't remember, but it must have been one of those small shrimp net draggers on the St. Marys River. |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. Which doesn't prevent a bow wave from capsizing nearby boats. I am not claiming it didn't happen. I am just saying that every precaution is taken that it won't. What was the size of the commercial fishing boat, anyway? Eisboch Hell, it was when I lived in the Jax area...I don't remember, but it must have been one of those small shrimp net draggers on the St. Marys River. That's still a good sized boat to be capsized by a wake, even a sub's wake. Musta been hell to pay. Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Which doesn't prevent a bow wave from capsizing nearby boats. I am not claiming it didn't happen. I am just saying that every precaution is taken that it won't. What was the size of the commercial fishing boat, anyway? Eisboch Hell, it was when I lived in the Jax area...I don't remember, but it must have been one of those small shrimp net draggers on the St. Marys River. That's still a good sized boat to be capsized by a wake, even a sub's wake. Musta been hell to pay. Eisboch I recall there was a board that investigated, and then it disappeared from the news. I also vaguely remember reading that the bow waves were crashing over a seawall somewhere on the St. Marys River voyages. |
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JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier? None on Lake Lanier, as I have said before, I have gone boating from the Great Lakes to Key West. Hmmm. A while back you said you regularly boat along the east coast, including the Atlantic. So which is it Jim Gallow, errr.........Reggie? And how is that different than what I just said? It may be possible, but give me a boating route from Lake Lanier to Key West and the Great Lakes. You have previously stated that you do not own a trailer for your houseboat. What world do you live in that one can only use one boat or only go boating in your boat? You have more than one boat Reggie? You previously stated that you boat along the eastern shores of the Atlantic. Does he trailer that mystery boat from Lake Lanier? |
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JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier? None on Lake Lanier, as I have said before, I have gone boating from the Great Lakes to Key West. Hmmm. A while back you said you regularly boat along the east coast, including the Atlantic. So which is it Jim Gallow, errr.........Reggie? And how is that different than what I just said? It may be possible, but give me a boating route from Lake Lanier to Key West and the Great Lakes. You have previously stated that you do not own a trailer for your houseboat. What world do you live in that one can only use one boat or only go boating in your boat? You have more than one boat Reggie? You previously stated that you boat along the eastern shores of the Atlantic. Does he trailer that mystery boat from Lake Lanier? He previously stated here that he does not have a trailer. He must have a boat that converts to an airplane. ;-) A flying boat! Wish I were living along the Atlantic again, or closer to it than we are now. My wife is talking a bit about Hilton Head Island as a possible retirement area. Gosh, *that* would break my heart. |
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On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:10:53 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote: Subs are always escorted out of near harbor areas and an exclusion zone for other boat traffic is strictly enforced. It's not uncommon to see them coming and going near the eastern end of Long Island Sound without an escort. There's an exclusion zone near Fishers Island which I presume is where they are suposed to surface. They are a strange sight the first time you see one running at speed with just the conning tower visible. |
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On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:34:32 -0500, HK wrote:
I also vaguely remember reading that the bow waves were crashing over a seawall somewhere on the St. Marys River voyages. That was my trawler wake when we were locked in on an unsuspecting LTP. Poor buggers never had a chance. |
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JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier? None on Lake Lanier, as I have said before, I have gone boating from the Great Lakes to Key West. Hmmm. A while back you said you regularly boat along the east coast, including the Atlantic. So which is it Jim Gallow, errr.........Reggie? And how is that different than what I just said? Welcome back Jim Gallow..................although you really never left. ;-) I think you have crossed the line once you start calling me names, but I really can't figure out what your point is. The point is that your name is Jim Gallow. oh, OK |
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On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:10:53 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote: "Calif Bill" wrote in message ... "HK" wrote in message . .. Maybe 10-15 years ago, one of those sub bow waves capsized a commercial fishing boat near the Kings Bay sub base in Georgia, and my memory on the event is vague, but I think there were drowning deaths. The sub captain, an arrogant ass, said something like "deal with it." He's driving a bait boat now. I doubt that. The subs that use to base at Mare Island always had CG escorts. And the bow wave exceeds anything else that I have ever witnessed as to wakes. And I fish near a couple of the offshore channels to SF bay. Subs are always escorted out of near harbor areas and an exclusion zone for other boat traffic is strictly enforced. Part of the sub wave/wake problem out of New London is very narrow entrance to LIS through The Race. There's not a lot of room there and if you are in the right spot before the subs reach the sub bouy to get down and get gone, you are going to be affected by the bow wave/wake. |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. Calif Bill wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: I know you've been on LIS up near The Race when a sub comes out of New London. I swear, it's about the only time I've ever been surprized by the size and depth of a wake - had just about enough time to quarter the three waves or I would have taken a ton of water aboard the Ranger. Talk about a wake. :) Maybe 10-15 years ago, one of those sub bow waves capsized a commercial fishing boat near the Kings Bay sub base in Georgia, and my memory on the event is vague, but I think there were drowning deaths. The sub captain, an arrogant ass, said something like "deal with it." He's driving a bait boat now. I doubt that. The subs that use to base at Mare Island always had CG escorts. And the bow wave exceeds anything else that I have ever witnessed as to wakes. And I fish near a couple of the offshore channels to SF bay. You can doubt it all you wish. It was covered on the TV news in Jax, and there were a couple of articles in the area newspapers. I doubt he is driving a date barge. |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction Blocks Traffic
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:33:11 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:10:53 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: Subs are always escorted out of near harbor areas and an exclusion zone for other boat traffic is strictly enforced. It's not uncommon to see them coming and going near the eastern end of Long Island Sound without an escort. There's an exclusion zone near Fishers Island which I presume is where they are suposed to surface. They are a strange sight the first time you see one running at speed with just the conning tower visible. The "sub bouy" is located SE of a line from Montauk Light, through SW Ledge to Lewis Pt at Block Island. That's where they submerge or surface for the run into New London. Under the new rules, the CG now clears out the area prior to surfacing and they provide an exclusion zone by escort from Gull Island Shoal on a line to Race Rock. I think it's 500 yards - 1/3 of a mile. You hear draggers and commercial operators in the area contacted by subs all the time - how they do it, I'm not at all sure, but you hear them call on 16 and move off to another channel. There they establish direction of travel, speeds and what not. I don't think I've ever heard them not be very accomodating to the commercial guys. One of the reasons they wanted to down size the sub base at New London was the Race choke point. |
Q Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction Blocks Traffic
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier? None on Lake Lanier, as I have said before, I have gone boating from the Great Lakes to Key West. Sure you have. *YOU* have the balls to call someone a liar? I may have finally seen it all. Amazing... |
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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier? None on Lake Lanier, as I have said before, I have gone boating from the Great Lakes to Key West. Sure you have. Harry, Do you read what SWS said to Charile and BAR when they were accusing you of not owning a lobster boat? It is just as boring and stupid when you do the same thing. Sorry, Reggie, but I don't pay much attention to the crap posted here by the likes of BAR and Charile. In fact, I don't even recall a Charile. Perhaps you like reading the posts of idiots on a regular basis, but I do not. There's no reason to believe you have a boat. And there is less to believe you have a lobster boat. Will you ever give up? |
Q Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction Blocks Traffic
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:28:41 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: And then there are the Wussy Wake Whiner Weenies (4Ws) who should really confine their boating to the bathtub. I always thought it was the Whiney Wussy Wake Weenies. Learn something new everyday. :) |
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