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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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Traffic cannot be expected to look up every side-channel and slow down
in time if there's boats in them. They'd have to slow down for every
side channel because by the time they could see small boats in them
going at speed it would be too late to slow down. The burden is on the
small boat fishing to keep clear of dangerous wakes coming from the ICW.
Go fish someplace else. There is a rule that says fishing boats shall
not impede traffic in a channel.

Wilbur Hubbard


At some point in the Carolinas (I think South, but can't remember for
sure) we came upon a large fleet of small jon boats, anchored and
fishing, smack in the middle of the channel and along it's shoreline.
The guy ahead of us in a trawler tried to get around them to the left and
promptly ran aground.

After several minutes of deliberations, I started weaving my way between
the boats at idle speed on my 52' vessel. Despite this, we still got the
one finger salute from many of the boats along with references to certain
parts of one's anatomy.

Shuda waked them.

Eisboch


What is that saying about 'sticks and stones'?


Without going into detail, I had one guy on my boat who tends to get a
little hot tempered quickly. Fortunately, my brother kept him under control
because otherwise things would have become real ugly fast.

Eisboch

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:05:46 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



Without going into detail, I had one guy on my boat who tends to get a
little hot tempered quickly. Fortunately, my brother kept him under control
because otherwise things would have become real ugly fast.

ICW Rage.

--Vic

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"HK" wrote in message
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
" JimH" ask wrote in message
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:51:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Wayne's comment is not arrogance. It's realism.
Thank you.

There are a lot of wake whiners out there. :-)
Yep, especially when you were slammed by one in a 20 footer. Bigger
boat does not relate to bigger dick Wayne, although it may compensate
for it in your case.


Children, children! My experience is I'd rather a power boat go by full
blast. They make smaller wakes of shorter duration going full blast than
when they slow down trying to be polite. Any sailor whose sailboat can't
take a powerboat wake without stuff flying off the shelves needs to get
his act together.

Wilbur Hubbard


Really? Interesting, because when I come off plane and slow my boat way
down, there's no visible wake. There are bubbles. That's been true for
all the boats I've ever owned.

Duh. Are you dumb or something? Let's say the sailboat's motoring along at
six or seven knots. You need to be going about ten knots in your powerboat
in order to get around them in a timely manner. At ten knots your
powerboat is "plowing." That is it's making a big, slow, rolly wake. This
slow wake is worse than a high speed wake which has smaller waves at a
higher frequency.

You're welcome.

Wilbur Hubbard

Yeah...as if that mustard yellow Coronado 27 could keep up a six or seven
knot cruise without shaking apart.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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These sportfish were moving fast however, and coming a lot
closer than
you'd really like. No blood, no foul. It gets
interesting if I'm
capsized however. They are resposible for their wake, we
all know
that. What about my quesionable judgement however (too
small a boat),
and failure to negotiate a dangerous wave in a seamanlike
manner. Life
is complicated sometimes.


What Wayne is saying, Jon, is that everybody should be
required , by law, to own a boat larger than 40' so he can
act irresponsible and not cause any serious damage.

SBV

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:54:08 -0500, "Scotty"
wrote:

Acording to someone on this group, it's his God given
right
to wake a smaller boat and you should just deal with it,
or
get off ''his'' waters.

Not sure if he falls under #1 or # 2.





That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat,
or stay away
from where the big boys play.



see what I mean?

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:54:08 -0500, "Scotty"
wrote:

Acording to someone on this group, it's his God given
right
to wake a smaller boat and you should just deal with
it, or
get off ''his'' waters.

Not sure if he falls under #1 or # 2.

============================

No whine before its time.

One man's ripple is another man's tsunami. "Waking a
smaller boat"
implies an intentional malicious action, and I don't
think much, if
any, of that goes on. I'd be the first to call someone
to task if I
suspected it.

That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger
boat, or stay away
from where the big boys play.



Geez...what an arrogant ass you are.

After a couple of days I realized that when others don't
respect them
and give you a one-finger salute instead ..... wake 'em!
:-)


Ahhh, another one.

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"otnmbrd" wrote in message
.70...
Was delivering a 110' boat to Fla., running down the
ditch..... was an open
stretch, nothing in sight ahead, just the occasional side
channel, doin
about 10K.
All of a sudden, looked up one of those side channels and
noticed a
fisherman in a small flat bottom boat.... Oh
Sh&t!!.....pulled em back but
knew it was too late!
As we went by, we could see that we'd sucked every last
drop of water out
of that side channel and this "Goodoleboy" was high and
dry in the mud with
his lower jaw hangin about down to his kneecaps.
Bout this time the water rushed back in to fill the void
and all we saw was
assholes, elbows, and fishing poles flying in all kinds of
directions......
Few minutes later we were overtaken by this "gentleman"
from the South who
had many choice words to say about our "Yankee"
heritage.....worst part was
that his anger became all the more incensed by the fact
that we were all
ready in a total fit of laughter and the more he yelled
the worse our fit
became!!!
To this day, I'm not sure how we kept that boat in the
channel till he
finally gave up the chase!


Well, at least you tried.

SBV

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"Eisboch" wrote in message news:L-

In my limited experience traveling the ICW I saw no
"intentional" waking
of a slower or smaller vessel by the larger boats, with
one exception. A
large sportsfish blew by us and others at full speed,
ignoring all speed
zones. I heard on the radio that he was coming and to
watch out. He was
caught further down the ICW about an hour later.


So, with your admitted ''limited experience'' , you admit to
witnessing a stinkpotter waking other boats.

Just think how many you'd see if you had some experience.


To be truthful, I saw more sailboat operators running on
their engine,
ignoring the "rules of the road".



Wake them !!!



I see more crazy powerboat operation in a single weekend
at the entrance to
Scituate harbor during the summer than anything I
witnessed on the ICW and
the biggest offenders are in smaller, outboard or I/O
powered boats.


You shulda waked them all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote

I've often been out on my little 13' Whaler navigating
over a big (to it)
wake from a passing large boat a mile away.

''a mile away''? Now you're just being stupid.


SBV

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Wayne's comment is pure arrogance.

Eisboch


Agreed.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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There are plenty of places on the Bay where very small
boats congregate.
You probably don't notice them. There are guys out there
in rowboats,
kayaks, canoes, not in the middle of the bay, but not far
offshore, near
inlets, creeks, et cetera. Most boaters slow down anytime
they get near
these guys, so they don't cause them problems. The
arrogant ass boaters,
of course, don't.

I *always* slow down for rowboats, kayaks and canoes, even
when they
are where they don't belong. Everyone else is a judgement
call. I
don't believe we have ever endangered anyone with our wake
but there
are lots of "wake whiners" out there who expect flat water
where ever
they go. Some of them are in large sailboats which is
kind of
comical.


arrogant, pompous, asshole named Wayne.

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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote
The only time any real sailboat is bothered by a wake is when it's
motoring along in a channel.

I'm mostly bothered when I'm parked. Hard to "stay away from where the big
boys play" when they play in my back yard.
http://blizzard.zmm.com/whips/movie.wmv
(Strictly speaking, if it that's as bad as it ever got, I'd have no
complaints. I don't have any video of my nemesis in the big blue SeaRay
plowing by.)

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Don White wrote:
"Dan" intrceptor@gmaildotcom wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:54:08 -0500, "Scotty" wrote:

Acording to someone on this group, it's his God given right
to wake a smaller boat and you should just deal with it, or
get off ''his'' waters.

Not sure if he falls under #1 or # 2.
============================

No whine before its time.

One man's ripple is another man's tsunami. "Waking a smaller boat"
implies an intentional malicious action, and I don't think much, if
any, of that goes on. I'd be the first to call someone to task if I
suspected it.

That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away
from where the big boys play.

Geez...what an arrogant ass you are.
He's a 'professional boater'..don't ya know, heads & shoulders above the
common weekend recreational types.
Down boy! Good puppy!

Didn't WayneB tell you to clam up in another thread?
It worked on JohnH and I was really hoping it would make you straighten up
and fly straight.



Here's a candidate for admonishment. Any takers? Wayne, Tom...

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 22:36:14 -0500, BAR wrote:

Here's a candidate for admonishment. Any takers? Wayne, Tom...

And why not you?

For better or worse it is our group. Make it what you think it should
be.

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 22:21:27 -0500, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote:

I'm mostly bothered when I'm parked. Hard to "stay away from where the big
boys play" when they play in my back yard.
http://blizzard.zmm.com/whips/movie.wmv
(Strictly speaking, if it that's as bad as it ever got, I'd have no
complaints. I don't have any video of my nemesis in the big blue SeaRay
plowing by.)

Ouch. Nice location but you're in a difficult situation there with
wakes. There are some alternatives to the mooring whips which I've
seen used elsewhere and would be more effective:

- A boat lift, also keeps the bottom clean and makes the boat easier
to work on.

- An anchor to the channel side with a bow and stern bridle, allowing
you to pull the boat further away from the dock.

- A mooring with or without a "haul out" system. A mooring is
essentially a big anchor with chain and a floating ball on the
surface. Unless you rig a "haul out" system you will need to take a
dinghy out to the boat. A "haul out" is essentially a continuous
pulley system like an old fashioned clothes line that allows you to
retrieve the boat from shore.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote

I've often been out on my little 13' Whaler navigating
over a big (to it)
wake from a passing large boat a mile away.

''a mile away''? Now you're just being stupid.


SBV

Why is that stupid? It's absolutely true.

Eisboch

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Wayne's comment is pure arrogance.

Eisboch


Agreed.

Please be careful with your attributes. I didn't say that.

Eisboch

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Somebody wrote:

''a mile away''? Now you're just being stupid.

A couple of things:

1) You have never been on Lake Erie when a 1,000 ft ore boat with 60,000
tons of ore on board, travelling at 25 knots goes down the lake on the
assigned mid lake course.

You know by the bow wave they leave as they pass you 4-5 miles away.

2) You obviously have you head where the moon doesn't shine.

Lew

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 22:02:20 -0500, "Scotty" wrote:

arrogant, pompous, asshole named Wayne.

Look in a mirrror.

Moron.

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HK wrote:

Eisboch


When you have powerboaters like Wayne B., who says,
"That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away
from where the big boys play," then you don't have to wonder whether
there are ill-mannered guys out there who don't give a damn about the
havoc their wakes cause."

I have seen plenty of powerboaters who do not give a tinker's dam about
their wakes. I've seen it in the ICW, and I see it out on Chesapeake
Bay, and I have seen it on the Patuxent River and its tributaries.

Wakes do happen, and on a calm day can travel one hell of a long way. I
have been on the lake and been hit by a large wake, and have looked up
to see a boat that appears to be a mile away. If you made the ICW truly
wake free, you would have all boats creeping barely being able to steer.
If I am not in a no wake zone or 500 ft. from the shore or a
anchored boat, I really don't think about my wake, but I know I am
making one, and yes it can impact on the shoreline and boats tied up on
a dock. If you were honest with yourself, you would have to agree that
your boat does make a wake, and yes that wake has made some impact on
other boats, shorelines and docked boats.

How often have you been boating on the Bay with very little wind, yet
the bay is very choppy from everyone's wake.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 22:36:14 -0500, BAR wrote:

Here's a candidate for admonishment. Any takers? Wayne, Tom...

And why not you?

For better or worse it is our group. Make it what you think it should
be.

To get respect you have to give respect. I will operate under this model
of behavior.

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HK wrote:



Most of the sailboats I see out on Chesapeake Bay aren't motoring along
at any knots, they're under sail. And if I am following one up a narrow
river or inlet, I can get around it easily enough if I need to without
churning up a wake.

What speed is the sailboat going and what speed are you going when you
pass them? Even at 5 mph in a 21' ft. you will be leaving a wake.

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JimH wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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otnmbrd wrote:
Was delivering a 110' boat to Fla., running down the ditch..... was an
open stretch, nothing in sight ahead, just the occasional side channel,
doin about 10K.
All of a sudden, looked up one of those side channels and noticed a
fisherman in a small flat bottom boat.... Oh Sh&t!!.....pulled em back
but knew it was too late!
As we went by, we could see that we'd sucked every last drop of water
out of that side channel and this "Goodoleboy" was high and dry in the
mud with his lower jaw hangin about down to his kneecaps.
Bout this time the water rushed back in to fill the void and all we saw
was assholes, elbows, and fishing poles flying in all kinds of
directions......
Few minutes later we were overtaken by this "gentleman" from the South
who had many choice words to say about our "Yankee" heritage.....worst
part was that his anger became all the more incensed by the fact that we
were all ready in a total fit of laughter and the more he yelled the
worse our fit became!!!
To this day, I'm not sure how we kept that boat in the channel till he
finally gave up the chase!

It would have been really funny for you if someone in his boat had
drowned.
Sorta raises a question though. What is the purpose of the ICW? Is it
an inland waterway for boat traffic or is it a private fishing channel for
locals?

Eisboch


I say........both.



It actually was built as a commercial waterway, that allows rec.boaters
and fishing. A large barge, no matter what they do, will have a major
impact on rec.boaters, fishing from the shore and small boats, and on
the shoreline. A smart boater will stay out of the way of a barge.

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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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HK wrote:



Most of the sailboats I see out on Chesapeake Bay aren't motoring along
at any knots, they're under sail. And if I am following one up a narrow
river or inlet, I can get around it easily enough if I need to without
churning up a wake.

What speed is the sailboat going and what speed are you going when you
pass them? Even at 5 mph in a 21' ft. you will be leaving a wake.


Not Harry's new boat. It just leaves "bubbles". :-)

Here's a good write up of my primary interest of this subject as it relates
to the ICW.
Of particular relevance to me is the "Perfect Pass" paragraphs.

One thing I learned about the ICW. Next time I'll run "outside" much more.
The ICW is interesting and I wanted to experience and see it but it can
become stressful and tiring trying to navigate, pass other boats, pass
private docks, watch out for fishermen etc. always in a courteous manner.
It seems no matter how careful you are, you are occasionally going to ****
somebody off.

http://www.cruisingworld.com/article...ID=419&catID=0

Eisboch

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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:32:31 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message
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HK wrote:



Most of the sailboats I see out on Chesapeake Bay aren't motoring along
at any knots, they're under sail. And if I am following one up a narrow
river or inlet, I can get around it easily enough if I need to without
churning up a wake.

What speed is the sailboat going and what speed are you going when you
pass them? Even at 5 mph in a 21' ft. you will be leaving a wake.


Not Harry's new boat. It just leaves "bubbles". :-)

Here's a good write up of my primary interest of this subject as it relates
to the ICW.
Of particular relevance to me is the "Perfect Pass" paragraphs.

One thing I learned about the ICW. Next time I'll run "outside" much more.
The ICW is interesting and I wanted to experience and see it but it can
become stressful and tiring trying to navigate, pass other boats, pass
private docks, watch out for fishermen etc. always in a courteous manner.
It seems no matter how careful you are, you are occasionally going to ****
somebody off.

http://www.cruisingworld.com/article...ID=419&catID=0

I've stayed out of this mostly because I have a different view.

Which I am NOT going to share. :)

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:

Eisboch


When you have powerboaters like Wayne B., who says,
"That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away
from where the big boys play," then you don't have to wonder whether
there are ill-mannered guys out there who don't give a damn about the
havoc their wakes cause."

I have seen plenty of powerboaters who do not give a tinker's dam
about their wakes. I've seen it in the ICW, and I see it out on
Chesapeake Bay, and I have seen it on the Patuxent River and its
tributaries.

Wakes do happen, and on a calm day can travel one hell of a long way. I
have been on the lake and been hit by a large wake, and have looked up
to see a boat that appears to be a mile away. If you made the ICW truly
wake free, you would have all boats creeping barely being able to steer.
If I am not in a no wake zone or 500 ft. from the shore or a anchored
boat, I really don't think about my wake, but I know I am making one,
and yes it can impact on the shoreline and boats tied up on a dock. If
you were honest with yourself, you would have to agree that your boat
does make a wake, and yes that wake has made some impact on other boats,
shorelines and docked boats.

How often have you been boating on the Bay with very little wind, yet
the bay is very choppy from everyone's wake.


Lots of times. The Bay is "choppy" as often as not, with or without the
wind, because of all the boat traffic, especially in the shallow inlet
bays. But "choppy" is a lot different than the huge waves some
semi-conscious a**holes create with their boat wakes near small boats.

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:



Most of the sailboats I see out on Chesapeake Bay aren't motoring
along at any knots, they're under sail. And if I am following one up a
narrow river or inlet, I can get around it easily enough if I need to
without churning up a wake.

What speed is the sailboat going and what speed are you going when you
pass them? Even at 5 mph in a 21' ft. you will be leaving a wake.



Stop splitting hairs, Reggie. At really low speeds, my boat leaves a
practically flat wake that isn't going to cause any small boats nearby
any grief.

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:09:32 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:29:06 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:

Yep, especially when you were slammed by one in a 20 footer. Bigger boat
does not relate to bigger dick Wayne, although it may compensate for it in
your case.
That seems uncalled for. What happened to "lead by example"?
Like politics, this discussion, although initially worthwhile, has run it's
course.

Eisboch

Ok. But I must say that these wake issues is why I will boat in a Mac
26X/M or a Carolina Skiff.
12-16 inches draft.
Lead the big boys onto the shoals and oyster flats when they try to
wake me. Might get a Sea-Tow referral sideline set up to defray
gas costs.

--Vic
These wake issue are a could reason to re-think a Mac 26. Without
proper ballast, and especially with the board up you'll be bobbing and
rolling like a cork.
Lee

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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:59:15 -0500, Lee Rayl
wrote:

Ok. But I must say that these wake issues is why I will boat in a Mac
26X/M or a Carolina Skiff.
12-16 inches draft.
Lead the big boys onto the shoals and oyster flats when they try to
wake me. Might get a Sea-Tow referral sideline set up to defray
gas costs.

--Vic
These wake issue are a could reason to re-think a Mac 26. Without
proper ballast, and especially with the board up you'll be bobbing and
rolling like a cork.

Sounds like you have one of these Mac 26's.
Thanks for the advice.

--Vic

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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:43:30 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I've stayed out of this mostly because I have a different view.

Which I am NOT going to share. :)

=================================

Why should you be different? :-)

PS, If you are concerned about your low wake, get a bigger, heavier
boat. It will make all the difference. :-) )

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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:08:26 -0500, HK wrote:

Stop splitting hairs, Reggie. At really low speeds, my boat leaves a
practically flat wake that isn't going to cause any small boats nearby
any grief.

And how often do you run at really low speed?

We thought you were on the fast track, getting out to those fish as
quickly as possible. Virtually everyone I know with a boat that will
run at planing speeds can't wait to get up and moving because the ride
is so miserable at slow speed.

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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 02:10:04 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Please be careful with your attributes. I didn't say that.

Eisboch

I knew that. :-)

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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 06:47:55 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

How often have you been boating on the Bay with very little wind, yet
the bay is very choppy from everyone's wake.

It happens all the time, just about everywhere there is boating
activity. Wakes rebound off seawalls and the shore, and keep bouncing
around for a long time.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:08:26 -0500, HK wrote:

Stop splitting hairs, Reggie. At really low speeds, my boat leaves a
practically flat wake that isn't going to cause any small boats nearby
any grief.

And how often do you run at really low speed?

We thought you were on the fast track, getting out to those fish as
quickly as possible. Virtually everyone I know with a boat that will
run at planing speeds can't wait to get up and moving because the ride
is so miserable at slow speed.


Obviously your circle is filled with jerks.

We spend some time exploring the smaller rivers and creeks around here,
and when we do, slow speeds are the way to go. My Parker rides just fine
at slow speeds, and at those speeds, you can barely hear the engine and
there is no exhaust smell. It's great being out in all that air, just a
few feet above the water. You see things you simply cannot see if you're
on an RV barge.

Of course, you wouldn't be able to take that oversized, diesel-smelling
barge into some of the waters we frequent...

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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:07:11 -0500, HK wrote:

But "choppy" is a lot different than the huge waves some
semi-conscious a**holes create with their boat wakes near small boats.

They are probably not semiconscious at all, just faced with a flotilla
of small boats spread out in front of them while they are running
where they belong. On open water small boats should have no
expectation of wake avoidance. If you go out there, accept the risks
without whinning.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 06:47:55 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

How often have you been boating on the Bay with very little wind, yet
the bay is very choppy from everyone's wake.

It happens all the time, just about everywhere there is boating
activity. Wakes rebound off seawalls and the shore, and keep bouncing
around for a long time.

I know, my question was really rhetorical.

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" JimH" ask wrote in message
...

"Wayne.B" wrote in
message
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On open water small boats should have no
expectation of wake avoidance. If you go out there,
accept the risks
without whinning.

Huh? Is that how you operate?


Thank God his type is only a small percentage of real
boaters.

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Scotty wrote:
" JimH" ask wrote in message
...
"Wayne.B" wrote in
message
...
On open water small boats should have no
expectation of wake avoidance. If you go out there,
accept the risks
without whinning.
Huh? Is that how you operate?


Thank God his type is only a small percentage of real
boaters.




This little thread has been very revealing about Wayne.

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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:18:44 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:43:30 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I've stayed out of this mostly because I have a different view.

Which I am NOT going to share. :)

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Why should you be different? :-)

PS, If you are concerned about your low wake, get a bigger, heavier
boat. It will make all the difference. :-) )

The odd thing is that I couldn't make a decent wake if I tried. :)

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:18:44 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:43:30 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I've stayed out of this mostly because I have a different view.

Which I am NOT going to share. :)
=================================

Why should you be different? :-)

PS, If you are concerned about your low wake, get a bigger, heavier
boat. It will make all the difference. :-) )

The odd thing is that I couldn't make a decent wake if I tried. :)
+

That is exactly what your wife said. ;)